The Trump/Biden Debate is ON

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Andrew Kolvet in for Charlie. We have a debate scheduled. Not only that, we have two debates scheduled.

One in June, one in September. We have the details. We also play back the clips from 2020. Joe Biden versus Donald Trump.

What are the pitfalls? What are the landmines? How can Trump successfully navigate these debates that are upcoming with a formidable, although sneaky, octogenarian.

He's sneaky formidable. We play back the clips from 2020, rolling the tape, seeing what the attack vectors are likely to be as Trump steps into the arena. And what are the terms? Joe Biden's crazy, cowardly terms. You're not going to want to miss it.

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You send a message. We play to win. Register now at tpaction.com slash peoples. We have much to get to, much, much, much to get to. What a fun morning this was. You know, Joe Biden finally took the bait. I think that should be the headline around the nation. Joe Biden finally took the bait. Obviously, Donald Trump has been taunting the elderly Joe Biden that is so elderly he is apparently not culpable for crimes he commits, according to Special Counsel Robert Herr.

Still trying to get those transcripts. All that being said, it looks like we have a date set for June 27th and the year of our Lord, as Steve Bannon says, 2024, where these two men will actually have a chance to face off side by side. Now, it's not quite as simple as all of that. But let's just start with where Joe Biden started this morning. Cut 68, his challenge to Donald Trump. Donald Trump lost two debates to me in 2020.

Since then, he hadn't shown up for debates. Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again. Well, make my day, pal. I'll even do it twice. So let's pick the dates, Donald.

I hear you're free on Wednesdays. All right, so this was that was the sum total of the clip. A lot of jump cuts. Who knows if that how many takes that took Joe Biden to get across the finish line there. They kept saying, roll it back, roll it back. I want to deliver that make my day, pal line one more time.

I stuttered right out of the out of the gate. It's okay. So let's let's lay out the timeline. Let's just lay out the timeline here. Three weeks ago, Donald Trump sent the truth social message. I think Charlie retweeted it.

It said anywhere, anytime, any place. So it took him three weeks to respond to this. Now, you could just imagine the conversations that were happening behind the scenes and the Biden handlers saying, No, no, no, sir, sir, please, please. He's he's trying to he's trying to goju. Please don't don't don't take the bait, sir.

No, I'm a tough guy. I'm gonna take him. I'm gonna take him down. Apparently, Joe Biden has a penchant for swearing behind the scenes. You know, we like to, or he likes to present himself as this kindly old uncle, this this Scranton, Pennsylvania guy.

And he apparently just has a really foul mouth. So you can just imagine the back and forth with his aides when he was awake between the hours of 11 and four. I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna do it. So So we have a date. But this is what is very interesting about this. He has a number of terms. His campaign is sent a letter, which New York New York Times got access to and the terms are very interesting. The terms say that there can be no live audience.

That's right. So Joe Biden says, Yeah, I'll debate you. Let's go pal. Let's do Wednesday's by the way mocking him for being in trial, a trial that is very well coordinated by the Biden White House, there needs to be an investigation into that ASAP. So this lawfare campaign against Trump is ongoing in multiple jurisdictions, largely, at least, presumably, because the Biden White House has been coordinated, he has the gall to say, I hear you're free on Wednesdays. So no live audience. Apparently, Biden is aware of the fact that he cannot draw an audience.

And so he does not want one in this debate. So they're going to do it at a TV studio in Atlanta, the CNN studio in Atlanta, one moderator. And that was the other term. This could only be CNN, ABC, CBS, or Telemundo. If you're NBC, I would presume you're wondering why not?

Why not us? They must have wrote a bad article about the occupant of the oval. So that was one term. And the another term is that there can the mics will be turned off once the allotted time concludes. There's no talking over the mics.

The mics will be cut off. Fourth term is that there will be no JFK or RFK. RFK is not invited.

No third parties are invited. This is going to be mano a mano. There's a lot of details or facts or clues that seem to indicate that RFK is actually more of a threat to Donald Trump. RFK himself is saying this, but it doesn't matter. Joe Biden and the DNC, they are deathly afraid of RFK.

So no RFK. It's going to be one-on-one. So all of this leads us to believe that it actually will happen. Now, Trump seems to have his doubts of whether it'll happen. One other term here, by the way, he's saying he will do it twice. And just so we're clear, typically presidential debates happen. There's three of them that are scheduled. So these are the details. These are the terms that Joe Biden... Now, it's somewhat unclear if Trump is agreeing to all the terms, but within an hour or two of this video dropping, we've got CNN confirmed June 27th.

Now, for a long time, it looked like this probably wouldn't happen. But like I said, the date is scheduled. Republicans... So let me just...

There was one detail that's fairly important here actually as well. The Commission on Presidential Debates. What is it? It's supposed to be a nonpartisan third party host of said debates, presidential debates. Now, Republicans don't like it because they think it's biased. I mean, it's essentially run by Democrats. They call it nonpartisan, but it's run by Democrats. And the Democrats complain because they feel like the commission doesn't enforce the rules enough of these presidential debates. And they think that Trump would get away with acting out too often. So they're not going to be doing this debate within this commission protocol.

They're doing it independently. And they're going to be doing it a lot earlier than previous debates have happened. Now, historically, debates happen in September, October.

But with early voting and... I mean, early voting, by the way, gets started as early as late September in Pennsylvania. So now the second debate is apparently scheduled for September. I don't think a specific date has been locked in yet. And there will be one vice presidential debate in July. All of this is very interesting with the timeline. It's a completely new timeline for presidential debates. Donald Trump hasn't even picked his VP. And when you have the convention in July and a VP debate in July for the RNC, that means that possibly the VP is going to be picked a few days before he or she walks into a vice presidential debate against Kamala.

Kamala? Still don't know how to say that. Joe Biden apparently doesn't either. He said it wrong the other day, I'm told.

So there's a lot of different things. And by the way, August is when the Democrats have their convention. So this is all being ramped up much earlier. This is just over a month away, about six weeks away in June. And boy, it's going to be great. Let's get ready to rumble.

We're going to break down the clips. We're going to see what President Trump can and should do ahead of June 27th. What are the traps for Trump? What are the opportunities?

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Check it out, myphdweightloss.com. Raking. Donald Trump has now accepted two dates. Go ahead and throw that image up. Donald Trump on Truth Social. It is my great honor to accept the CNN debate against crooked Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of the United States and a true threat to democracy on June 27th. Likewise, I accept the ABC News debate against Crooked Joe on September 10th.

Thank you, DJT. All right, so that is news, folks. So we have two debates set, June 27th on CNN, September 10th on ABC News. There will be one moderator, no live audience, in a TV studio.

Mics will cut off. Apparently, he's accepting all the terms, although that is not exactly clear if there's still, you know, debates back and forth behind the scenes. So this is the setup.

This is the setup, but we have to be very, very clear. Joe Biden, yes, is a senile old man who is not culpable for his own crimes, according to the special counsel, Robert Herr, but he's not necessarily always senile. If anybody knows somebody that is of a certain age that is kind of losing it, slowing down, you can see their mental acuity, just not what it once was, this stuff goes in and out. And the much discussed shot to the nether regions that we've heard Joe Biden is taking before, like the State of the Union address, for example, that could carry you for a couple of hours. And whether or not he is getting pumped full of drugs, obviously, there's been much discussed. Tucker Carlson says he's talked with somebody who's seen it in person, which is kind of like elderly abuse.

It's also abuse of our nation. But you're going to be on stage for two hours with a guy that's going to be fully, fully focused as much as he's got left in the tank for two hours. So yeah, he can't keep it together for a whole day, but he might be able to keep it together for two hours and leave the impression on the public that he's still sharp enough to run the country.

We all know that's a farce. But again, the audience that listens to this show, Trump, MAGA voters, America Firsters, we know better, but there's still that squishy middle that might be skeptical about Donald Trump. They're going to be looking at that two hours, and they're going to be taking more out of his performance than somebody like myself would.

So we have to, we have to play the expectation game, the bar will be very, very low for Joe Biden. Just like it was at the State of the Union, you could see at the state after the State of the Union, the media reacted as if he had just won the Super Bowl. They were ecstatic that the man could could be on stage for an hour and start shouting into the microphone and doing his like angry yells.

He was bantering with the audience. Admittedly, I was shocked he did as well as he did. It doesn't mean I think he did well.

I thought it was a terrible speech. I'm probably going to find his performance to be despicable in these debates. But the bar is so low that if he gets up there and strings together a couple of sentences and sort of holds his own, that's going to be a win. So, so President Trump needs to understand that there is more expected out of him than there will ever be expected out of Joe Biden. A very, very low bar. So let's just, let's just show you something else.

This is, this is from three weeks ago. Donald Trump put this up, 82. Crooked Joe Biden just announced that he's willing to debate. Everyone knows he doesn't really mean it, but in case he does, I say anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

An old expression used by fighters. I suggest Monday evening, Tuesday evening, or Wednesday evening at my rally in Michigan, a state that he is in the process of destroying with his EV mandate. And the alternative, he's in New York City today, although probably doesn't know it.

And so am I. Stuck in one of the many court cases that he instigated as election interference against a political opponent, a continuing witch hunt. It's the only way he thinks he can win. He thinks he can win. In fact, let's do the debate at the courthouse tonight on national television all the way around. So this is Trump's, this has been Trump's main, like I said, he's taunting him. He's goading him and Trump is still skeptical whether or not he's going to show up. I actually love this approach. Let's go ahead and play cut 70.

Oh, absolutely. I've been trying to get, you know, he's issuing it. I wonder whether or not he shows up because, you know, he also challenged me to golf.

So I'm a very good golfer. He can't hit a ball 50 yards. He said, I'll give him three a side, but he knows he'll never play.

This is sort of like that, I think, but I hope not because I really think he has to debate. He might as well get it over with. Probably should do it early so that he can, you know, there's, he's not going to get any better. Oh, that's a bad June. September is great down factor for him. All right. So Trump is obviously goading him, but I caution you, this octogenarian can, can put it together for 90 minutes, maybe 120 minutes.

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Promo code Charlie. Where to begin. So here's basically how I see it. The press is going to absolutely be overjoyed if Joe Biden puts together a couple of sentences. We know that's true.

Okay. They were overjoyed after the state of union. They will be overjoyed if the shots to the nether region work and he's able to just stand up there and look like a sentient being, essentially.

Trump on the other hand, if he gets one fact wrong, if he missteps just to the left or to the right, they will jump all over him. Go ahead and throw up 87, I believe. Let's do more. This is a letter from Chris Lasavita, Susie Wiles and the Trump victory team. Their campaign says dear Jennifer O'Malley, Dylan, and the Biden team.

Today's a good day for America's voters. Now that Joe Biden has finally accepted president's Trump debate challenge, president Trump and our campaign have been requesting this for months, anytime, anywhere, any place. So the letter goes on to say that they've accepted CNN and the September debate. But then they say this, therefore, we propose a debate in, they want one debate per month. We propose a debate in June, a debate in July, a debate in August and a debate in September in addition to the vice presidential debate. Additional dates will allow voters to have maximum exposure to the records and future visions of each candidate. We believe the American people deserve more than what the Biden administration has to offer.

So they're throwing it out there. They're laying the gauntlet down to the coward Joe Biden that needs no live audience and mics to be cut off and he makes all these cowardly rules and terms. But nevertheless, Trump is going to push the envelope even further.

I think it's a good move. So let's play 2020. And honestly, you know, there's so many moments from these debates, but you'll see how Joe has this ability to kind of play it aloof. So Trump will hit him with a fact and Joe Biden will look there like, what is this guy talking about? This is crazy. So let's, let's, I think this is a very, very telling clip for what we can expect to see Joe Biden come out in these new debates. So what's, what's old is going to be new again, play cut 77. Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?

I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. What are you, what are you saying? I'm willing to do anything.

I want to see peace. Do it, sir. Do it. Say it. Do you want to call him? What do you want to call him? Give me a name. Give me a name.

Stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody has got to do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right wing problem. This is a left-wing. Antifa is an idea, not an organization. Not militia.

All right. So you see in that clip, a perfect example of what Trump is going to be up against in this new series of debates, two maybe more. That clip in particular, you still hear left-wing pundits reference the stand back and stand by thing.

It's almost like he was giving orders to Proud Boys or something. This comes on the heels, by the way, you remember back in 2020, a BLM causing anarchy, rioting, mostly peaceful riots in our major cities while stores were burning in the background. This clip is perfect because Trump is not going to be just up against Joe Biden. Joe Biden is going to have his media flax having his back and pressing the story and pressing the narratives that they want to press. So expect the white supremacy angle, expect the right-wing extremist groups angle, expect the abortion angle to weigh heavy. So yeah, you have a whole country in flames because left-wing agitators are rioting and burning our cities. But guess what Chris Wallace does? As a flack for the left, he goes straight after right-wing extremists and just lets Joe Biden sit there and look like the reasonable old kindly old uncle when he's the one that is right now encouraging and pandering to the moss sympathizers because he's worried about 100,000 uncommitted votes in Michigan. Let's play another clip here.

Let's go ahead and play cut 78. This is the same fellow who told you that don't worry, we're going to end this by the summer. We're about to go into a dark winter, a dark winter, and he has no clear plan. Come on, there's not another serious scientist in the world who thinks it's going to be over soon. President Trump, your reaction? I say over soon. I say we're learning to live with it. We have no choice. We can't lock ourselves up in a basement like Joe does. He has the ability to lock himself up.

I don't know. He's obviously made a lot of money someplace. So you see, that clip exposes what I was talking about before. Joe just laughs and I find it galling. I find it irritating.

It's almost as annoying as Kamala's cackle, but he's going to do it. He's going to sit there and aloof and above it, Trump's going to come right for the jugular. Here is the trick with Joe Biden. You've just got to pin his record to the wall and make him own it. Joe, how many illegals came over the border when I was president versus how many are coming over since you started in the oval?

How many? What's your story there, Joe? What's your defense for that? Here's what inflation was when I was president. Here's what it's been since you've become president. Here's what a basket of groceries cost when I was president. Here's what it costs now that you're president.

Here's how much a monthly mortgage costs for an average home in America. Here's how much it costs when you are president. Joe, what's your defense of your abysmal record?

So this is another clip here. This should come up again, the race topic, but Joe Biden is bleeding support from minorities. Now, Joe Biden's going to call him a white supremacist or at least pander to white supremacists. But Trump actually has a pretty good track record to run on.

Play cut 79. Nobody has done more for the black community than Donald Trump, with the exception of Abraham Lincoln. Possible exception, but the exception of Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln here is one of the most racist presidents we've had in modern history. He pours fuel on every single one of them. He pours fuel on every single racist fire, every single one. Now, if you're Trump in that moment, you go straight back at all of the bigoted DEI policies, the pandering to every single minority group, possible telling them that they're lesser than and that they need special handouts.

You put it right back in its face. But the race topic will loom large in these debates. There's nothing about it. Now, this is going to be interesting. So it's again, a really interesting flashback to the kids in cages flare up during the Trump administration. Kids in cages. Now, Joe Biden can't even find tens and tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors that have crossed his open border. So now, once again, Joe Biden's own record is where you need to hit him. Do you have a plan to reunite the kids?

Yes, we're working on it very, we're trying very hard. But a lot of these kids come out without the parents. They come over through cartels and through coyotes and through gangs. It's not coyotes didn't bring them over. Their parents were with them.

They got separated from their parents. And it makes us a laughing stock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation. So I think that's a really telling clip actually, because you see that Joe Biden is what he's going to do in this next debate. He's going to appeal to the to this empathy. Remember, he's stronger with women voters, he's stronger, he's actually polling weirdly ahead with boomers. So 65 plus, because there is a large segment of the older population in this country that wants to return to a politics of the past. Now, we've got to do a better job messaging to them and telling them that, you know, that politics of the past is dead. This country is not going back to a politics of the 1990s.

That's gone. More civil discourse for Joe Biden saying I'm the empathetic empathetic one is appealing to women voters in those moments, when his policies are anything but compassionate. They're his policies are ruthless.

Not only is he a ruthless thug when it comes to lawfare against a political opponent, but his policies are actively killing 100,000 plus Americans every year with fentanyl crossing the border, rising crime, inflation is not compassionate. It hurts the working class, these things, but he's going to appeal. He's going to put put those those those moments of of emotion. And he's going to try and paint Trump as this angry, fascist, potential tyrant. So again, in that clip, by the way, you heard that the the moderator is once again badgering Trump about a democrat talking point.

So these clips tell you they are a hint at what's going to happen in these debates. And Trump needs to simply stay calm. And he needs to keep throwing it back the record of Joe Biden's abysmal presidency back in his face time and time again. All right, so I want to take our attention right now and look at RFK polling. Now, the New York Times has a headline today that RFK Jr. is 2024's X Factor, new poll show fueled by young voters and social media.

Okay, why is this coming to mind right now? Because he's been left out of these debates. So the New York Times Sienna poll, which Charlie talked about on Monday shows RFK getting a nine to 12% polling figure in six different swing states. Now, if you look at who supports RFK the most, you would suspect that RFK is hurting Joe Biden more than Trump. He gets 18% of support from voters under 30. He gets 14% of Latinos in a five way race that includes Jill Stein and Cornel West, Joe Biden support with Blackstraps all the way to the top of the list. And then he gets a five way race that includes Jill Stein and Cornel West, Joe Biden support with Blackstraps all the way down to 50% with everyone taking a little bit of a slice. Overall, the Times found Trump up six in a head to head race, but by seven points in a five way race.

Now, here's some caveats to that. Third Party candidates, almost always without fail, lose steam as we get closer they feel can actually win. Now, so we saw this with Ross Perot twice.

He lost steam as he got close to the election twice. Now, in RFK's instance, he's actually polling lower than he was at his peak last year. So that could keep dropping. So the RFK factor could keep narrowing. It doesn't mean it won't be an X factor.

It will be, but it could keep narrowing. There's also a potential that a lot of RFK backers won't even vote at all. So only two thirds of RFK backers say they are definitely voting versus 90% of supporters of Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Here's another interesting factor. Only 29% of RFK backers say they are firm in their support for him against 80% who are firm for Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

So two other pieces to this that are really, really important as we try and figure out this RFK, what is it going to be doing? So you got to understand, RFK is now saying that his internal numbers say that he's polling 57% of his support from Trump voters that would otherwise vote for Trump and 43% from people that would otherwise vote for Biden. So RFK is saying he's hurting Donald Trump more than he's hurting Joe Biden.

So here's one of those possible reasons why. Now, the Times polling shows Trump doing a lot better than past Republicans with Latinos and young people. They show him running even with Biden with both groups. Young people and Latinos, Trump is running even with Biden. So it might be the case that Trump and Biden are both being hurt by the RFK drain or that Trump is being hurt more because Trump is now doing better with the groups that are more drawn to RFK.

And here is the big kicker. And this is from the New York Times, Nate Cohn. He summed it up this way, quote, Mr. Kennedy takes more Biden 2020 voters than Trump 20 voters. But then Mr. Kennedy draws more Trump 2024 voters than Biden 2024 voters.

Follow me on that again. A lot of the 2020 voters for Biden have been disaffected. They have said, if it was a one on one race, they would probably move to support Donald Trump. But those same people that would move from Biden to Trump are now looking at RFK saying, hey, I might support you instead. So RFK is specifically cannibalizing the voters who would otherwise flip from Biden to Trump. So that is why the polling is so difficult to read when we're analyzing the RFK factor. Because yes, if this was 2020, RFK would be hurting Biden a lot more than Trump. But since these voters were tempted to move to Donald Trump, it's cannibalizing some of that movement. So yes, the RFK factor is real. And we need to keep an eye on it.

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