Donald Trump's Secret VP Pick

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Joining us now is a great friend and great American, Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Dr. Gorka, Dr. Gorka, welcome to the program. Your initial thoughts of the triumph that was Super Tuesday. Well, if you look at the trend lines, Charlie, great to be back of the prior six primaries or caucuses.

This is what we should have expected. When you're blowing Democrat records out of the water in Democrat states like New Hampshire, of course, you're going to have this result. I'm just glad Nikki Haley, funded by the likes of Reid Hoffman, has decided to concede. Although I will note, Charlie, she didn't have the grace of Ron DeSantis in her surrender speech to endorse President Trump, the man that America wants back in the White House. Even Mitch McConnell, the arch-rhino, endorsed President Trump today.

But I guess that was too much for her to do. So, Dr. Gorka, you have a very important piece, framing Trump as a dissident. Tell us about it. Yeah, if you haven't seen it, the president's speech at CPAC just over a week ago, was perhaps, it was his best CPAC speech, but it may be one of his most significant speeches as president or former president.

Why? Because, look, it was fun because he spent the first 20 minutes on prom time. And then he said, this is boring. And then he spent the next hour telling amazing stories about flying into Baghdad with no lights on Air Force One, no lights on the runway, how he dealt with Mexico, how he got Mexico to send tens of thousands of troops to the border.

Those stories were hilarious, even for somebody like me, who's heard them all before. But the beginning of the speech, he used two phrases that were chosen for their geopolitical and historic significance. He spoke of himself as a political dissident. And he spoke of America as a captive nation. You're a young chap, but for those of us who grew up at our formative years in the Cold War, these are very important phrases.

Eisenhower first used the phrase captive nation to describe all those captured under Marxism behind the Iron Curtain. And then when he called himself a political dissident, that's not hyperbole. Remember, this man, who doesn't need to run for office again, has been an incredibly successful individual in the private sector.

He's running again. What have they done to him in the last three years, Charlie? He's now facing 730 years in prison. 730 years in prison.

That's what they do to political dissidents in Venezuela, in North Korea, in Cuba. It's happening here in America. And that's why I wrote that piece of my substack, to kind of focus the mind of the stakes in November. We are eight months away, and we've heard it all before. Every two years, this election is the most important one in your lifetime. Well, guess what? This time, it's real. If they lower the voting age to 16, if the Democrats get to redistrict the nation, if they pack the Supreme Court, you can kiss the Republic away.

It's that simple. And I think the results of the primaries tell you that a lot of Americans are waking up to that reality, Charlie. What can we learn from other dissidents that have been successful to incorporate into our movement? Because if we're honest, Dr. Gorka, he is a dissident, but it's a movement of dissidents. We're dissidents in our own country.

And I love this framing. I've said it for quite some time. And there's a black pill in this that I want to explore with you. But first, let's just address this. What are best practices, approaches, methodologies that we can all incorporate as we think of ourselves as dissidents?

Yeah, three things. And you know these well, because you do it, you know, with Turning Point and every day with your show. Number one, you must cleave to the truth. If you find yourself censoring yourself about to say something in public around the water cooler, the barbecue, and you say, well, what are they going to think about me if I tell this thing that's true? That's when you realize you have to say even louder. You don't have to get preachy, you don't have to get a soapbox.

When somebody says, well, the border is great, or Joe Biden's just fine, or, you know, it's really the Republicans who've made sure that we don't have a border. You have to tell the truth. It's absolutely critical that you tell the truth.

Secondly, you have to get engaged. Look, Charlie, you know my wife, Katie. Katie detests politics because she's sane. Where was she yesterday?

She left the house at 4 a.m. and she came home at 10 p.m. Why? Because she was the chief election officer of our district in Virginia. She is committed to making sure we don't have a stolen election. Likewise, she ran for local office. She failed the first time. She won the second time. Now she's running for the county chair in Fairfax because she doesn't want rhinos to be in that position. So if my wife, Katie, can get engaged politically, nobody has an excuse.

And then lastly, this is the one that is a little bit finessed. I'm quite angry. I mean, God bless him for everything else he does, but I'm quite angry with Ben Shapiro for one phrase that he popularized when he said, remember, he built his career on facts don't care about your feelings. Okay, Ben, that's true, but it's irrelevant because feelings matter. And the left knows how to communicate with emotional intelligence, right? We're the nasty capitalists we don't care. The left are the people who are empathetic, the people who are okay with 60 percent of the women being trapped across the southern border being raped, according to U.N. statistics. So we have to understand how to communicate our factual truth, but at an emotional level.

And that takes a little bit of nuance. It's something we have to win over the middle. We're never going to win over the rhinos, right? The 1200 rhinos who voted for Nikki Haley in the District of Columbia, don't waste your time on them. But the undecideds, the independents, the relatives who wouldn't vote or aren't interested in voting, we have to bring them in, but with emotional messages, sympathetic, empathetic messages that bring them to the objective truth. The left denies objective truth.

Objective truth is what we believe in, but we have to communicate it in a way that opens people's hearts, not just their minds. So Dr. Gorka, part of the issue with the framing of the dissident, the pushback I get, is people say, I'm not a dissident. I'm still in the majority of this country, that we own the country and that we are, they're wrong. We don't control the CIA, the FBI, Google, Goldman Sachs, Facebook, the intel agencies, Hollywood.

How do you respond to that, to great patriots that quite honestly are living in happy denial whenever I tell them that they have to think like a dissident? Great, great point. So just take Donald Trump out of the equation. Take Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro and people who are facing the wrath of a politicized FBI DOJ in the courts.

Just take them out of the equation. Talk about average Americans. Talk about Mark Hough, who is the pro-life preacher who protects his 12-year-old son from a lunatic outside of Planned Parenthood.

Has that misdemeanor assault charge dropped in a district court? And then four months later, at gunpoint, has his home raided by the FBI as his seven children are screaming, don't shoot our father, right? That's just an average individual. Or what about the five pro-life activists who are praying at an abortion clinic and are facing 11 years in prison because of charges brought under the FACE Act? Or if you're not a pro-life activist, okay, how about this?

We have sworn congressional testimony from federal police, from the FISA courts, that 250,000 Americans were subject to illegal surveillance, warrantless surveillance, simply because they supported President Trump. That's not me. That's not you. That's not President Trump.

That's just the average Americans. Or what about this? I was with Mike Flynn a couple of days ago in Texas. When General Flynn's wife has her credit card canceled by Bank of America because she's married to Mike Flynn, that could happen to anybody.

So people need to wake up when a state, when one party believes that they can use the organs of the intelligence community, the Department of Justice, the FBI, as their own political weapon system, any American can be the target. After a long day, no one wants to spend an hour in the kitchen making dinner. Well, how about quick and easy barbecue?

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That is besthotgrill.com. Dr. Gorka, I'm not sure how you're going to answer this. How are you looking at the vice presidential selection? Who do you like?

Who do you think would be a mistake? Your thoughts, Dr. Gorka. Okay, you put me in a tough position right out, Charlie.

Right out of the gate. Come on, you host a radio show. Come on, you got to be on your feet.

Dude, no, no, no. I know who it is. I know who the president's chosen, and I've been sworn to secrecy. The interesting thing is, Charlie, it's an amazing choice. It's somebody nobody's talking about. The president, of course, has the prerogative to change his mind. Until I found out, I loved the idea of somebody like Byron Donald. I think he'd be a rock star.

Carrie Lake, even Tim Scott. But at the end of the day, and I think you'll agree with me, Charlie, it doesn't really matter. It's going to be such a choice, a binary choice between light and darkness between getting back to a secure and prosperous America and the destruction of America under Biden or Newsom or whoever it is. I don't really think anybody goes into that voting booth thinking, well, I'm going to vote for Biden because of his VEEP or President Trump because of his VEEP. I do have one request or one thing I would like to see happen. I don't want the usual vice president. I don't want somebody who goes to the state funerals the president doesn't want to go to. I want a real vice president who's going to have a job like, you know, if it's the vague, tell the vague to drain the swamp, dismantle the CIA and the FBI, somebody who can actually get stuff done. That's what I want from the vice president pick.

But at the moment, my lips are sealed. So it's not somebody that we're thinking of? And no, no, it's not.

It's somebody who's proven himself in Congress. But that's as far as I'm going to go. OK, let's see. We'll find out.

I'll tell I'll text you afterwards. All right. All right. Fair enough. So, Dr. Gorka, your biggest concern heading in November that you think the movement needs to address, just think about analysis.

Well, if it's the movement, it's people not engaging. You know, you and I, we go to lots of events, we meet people. The most common comment I get is, is it going to be OK? Are we going to win?

And I get quite, quite curt with people. And Bruce, can I say, what do you mean? Is it going to be OK? What are you going to do about it? So I want everybody who listens to your show, watches your show, supports Turning Point USA, I want them to ask themselves, you know, not only what are they going to do to glorify God every day, what are they going to do for the next eight months to save the republic? So I want the movement to be a movement so that we save America together, whether you're a poll watcher, whether you're knocking on doors. My wife's team for the last election in Virginia knocked on 18,000 doors.

If she can do it, anyone can. So there's that. The bigger picture, the thing that really keeps me awake at night, and I'll be brutally honest, I said this when I was in the White House, I said it after we left, the bench. We need to fill 4,000 positions. And I don't know if you've got 400 positions of people who are prepared to do what it takes. Why?

My friend Chris Plante has the morning show here in DC. He points out one of the greatest successes of the left, Charlie, in the last 20 years is to make sure that decent patriots would never consider working in a Republican White House, and especially a Trump administration. You're so disincentivized. They come after the individual, they come after his family, his children. I had one journalist, one scumbag journalist when I was deputy to the president, write a headline about my 18-year-old high school age son with his name, calling him a traitor in the headline. Why would the same person decide to decide to step in that arena? So I want us to all be part of the victory for the next eight months, and I want us to have the tightest personnel system out there. We can't have traitors inside the system like General Kelly, like the people who undermined us on the inside. We need this to be a tight, tight ship of patriots who want to exercise the mandate of the American people as given to President Trump. So let's win it first, and then as Reagan taught us, personnel is policy, right, Charlie?

That's right. Dr. Gorka, excellent work. Anything you want to plug? Podcast, obviously your three-hour show, book, anything you want. Well, we're colleagues at Salem, so you can listen to the show every day, three to six Eastern. The substack where I have those articles about President Trump is my whole name is one word, SebastianGorka.substack.com.

My latest book is The War for America's Soul with an exclusive interview with the president. And all of that is on my website, SebGorka.com. That's S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A SebGorka.com. And if you're not doing anything on July 4th, join us for our Patriots Alaska cruise. It's going to be just hundreds of patriots in the most beautiful state of the union, SebGorka.com.

Click on the Patriots Alaska cruise. Very good. Dr. Gorka, thank you so much. God bless.

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Ken, thank you so much for taking the time. I know you're traveling. A lot happening right now in Texas. You were kind of the centerpiece of a lot of the election yesterday in Texas.

Walk our national audience through that. So it was a huge election for us. We were trying to change the Texas house because for the last 15 years the democrats have block voted, gone to whatever republican would give them the most, and then they control the Texas house. So we were trying to take out the so-called republican speaker along with many of his cohorts who were helping him with this strategy. And then we were also trying to change the court of criminal appeals, which doesn't sound like anything that anyone would care about except in Texas they struck down our ability, my ability, to prosecute voter fraud, which has an impact on the entire nation.

If I can't prosecute voter fraud we're going to lose the state in a matter of years. And so we put three candidates up against the incumbents and it was a very good night for us. We overwhelmingly won those three races, which is unusual because those incumbents have been in office between I think it's 12 years and like 30 something years. So they'd been there a long time and then we were able to hold on to John Devine and the Supreme Court, which is really important. We won 12 races that are new people for us that will take the place of incumbents and then we have runoff in I think it's about 12 other races.

So it was really, I don't know of another night like this in Texas, at least for literally decades, maybe since there may be one other example in the 70s, but nothing like this in decades. So you talk specifically about Dade Phelan. He was the leader of that effort against you. He is now going to a runoff. This really is the people against the institutional money and the Bush-Rove machine.

Tell us more about it, Ken Paxton. Yeah, that's exactly right. They spent millions, when I say they, it's Karl Rove and then a guy named Dick Weekly who's head of a group called Texans for Lawsuit Reform that is funded by a lot of very wealthy people. And those guys put their money behind all these House incumbents who not only fought the border security issues that we're dealing with, not only fought me and my impeachment, but generally have been difficult on election integrity issues. And those are the people that funded Dade Phelan. I think he probably spent two, three million dollars. And I think in most of these House races, they funded him with well over a million dollars. My lawyer was actually one of the members of one last night. I think they spent one point eight million dollars to keep him out because he's so smart.

They certainly didn't want him there challenging the things that they do on a regular basis in the Texas House. It was it was an amazing night. And despite all the funding from the other side, I would guess we got spent five to one. And yet we had tremendous success.

That is extraordinary. Talk about the kind of expansion or the changing of the Texas Republican Party. The kind of the beast is no longer in the cage.

I mean that the best possible way. There has been an effort by Rove and Bush to kind of keep the Texas Republicans to sit down and behave. But this is not just West Texas, though. This is all across the state. The America first, Texas first movement is ascendant. It is dominant. Texas is acting more and more like Texas. And the moderates are on the run. Tell us more about that. That's absolutely right. And you can tell Donald Trump endorsed in 17 races.

I think he won 13 last night. Pretty high percentage of races. And the Bushes and Karl Rove have run against people like me and funded races against me and others like me who are conservative for years. This is the first time we've actually had a well organized and semi-funded campaign against some of their candidates who have basically signed up to help the Democrats help run the state. It is it's an extraordinary metamorphosis.

Let's now get down to some of the weeds of what you're working on. And congratulations on the the triumph that occurred yesterday. The the the border, what is the latest in your fight? There was a new story that didn't get a lot of attention. Is it true that now Texas can arrest and detain illegals? There was a federal decision. Were you guys involved in that?

Can you give us an update? Yeah. But first, I just want to thank you for helping us on these, letting people know about these races. For example, the Court of Criminal Appeals, had you not covered it and people like you, we would not have been able to expose people to who who's running because there was no we had no money to support our statewide judges. So what going on your show and talking about it gave us the opportunity to get the word out.

So I want to thank you for that. As far as that bill we passed, it was called SB4 and it was designed to to allow us since the federal government not only refuses to deport people but encourages cartels to bring people here as fast as possible. This bill allowed us to deport people who cross our Texas border immediately and right now we have we have we won at the Fifth Circuit. They tried to enjoin us. The Biden administration tried to stop us from enforcing that because it went into effect March the 4th I think and we were successful all the way up to the Fifth Circuit and we got an we got an injunction stopping us. I think it was a 5-4 decision with Roberts and Barrett siding with the liberal judges but we're going to continue to fight it. We think it's our only way to protect our border because we know we all know the federal government is not just not going to protect the border.

They're going to do everything they can to invite as many people in as possible. So it cannot be true that any state joining union including Texas we would not have joined had we thought that the federal government could just say well if we don't protect you you can't protect yourself. That cannot be the way this is set up and it never was set up that way. No and so just everyone understands it's kind of a ping-pong match going back and forth. It's like a legal uh tennis tennis match. It's one judge says yes and then another judge says no and then it's now we're waiting for the Supreme Court.

Is is that fair to say kind of because it's kind of hard to track. It's news cycle this back and forth. It is good yeah it is it is hard to track and part probably because we have so many immigration cases yeah so this one actually got to the Supreme Court on the injunction. It hasn't gotten there on the merit so we're still in the fight trying to protect our trying to protect our borders. We just don't have that in place right now even though the law is in effect we're having to wait to go through the trial process and the actual hearings to uh have the opportunity to actually keep people out of our state that aren't supposed to be here. So what other cases uh Attorney General Paxton that you're working on that are top priority election integrity state sovereignty walk us through some of the other stuff that you're working through and also re-emphasize the court of criminal appeals.

Three judges we say as you said got voted out kind of weave those two things together. Yeah so we we had to sue a bunch of our school districts for election hearing. They're not allowed to use taxpayer dollars to fund uh candidates and they were doing that so we had like five or six lawsuits just in the last week over that. Now our Pfizer lawsuit is is on its way so we think we're gonna uh exposing the fact that these that Pfizer was not truthful about the effectiveness of their vaccine or the side effects. We are uh we have a trial date set for our big google case which is an antitrust case trying to break them up because they're a monopoly in online advertising and that one is a huge case for us and then we of course have we have several other uh immigration cases related to uh buoys that we put up related to our fences that we put up uh and of course the one we talked about.

It is uh it's a remarkable caseload. We have your back and they tried to take you out. Just can you recap how the last year has been Attorney General Paxton? A year ago you were fighting for your political life and now you have the wind at your back and the people that were trying to take you out had a very very bad evening. Just kind of recap personally how the last year has been on you and your family. Well it was about a year ago in May that they suddenly announced that they were impeaching me. The three-day process it was there were no witnesses no due process and it happened in a quick three-day period. I spent my whole summer trying to prepare even though it was difficult since they never really told me what the what the issues were uh very in very much detail and then once we got through the impeachment and I was successful in overcoming that I spent I spent since September on the road recruiting people to run for judicial position recruiting people to run for the Texas house and that's what I've spent my life doing until this you know yesterday and now I'm working on runoff until the end of May. So that's been the focus it's just changed the Texas house changed the court of appeals and of course they they're still coming after me legally I have a trial coming up in April where they moved me out of my own Republican county to a Democratic county with Democratic judges and Democratic jury it's all a scam but that's how it works in Texas and the top same things happen in the Trump in New York and in Georgia and and every other every other place that they're trying to convict them of a crime. If uh if President Trump offered you a cabinet position would you potentially consider it or take it?

Oh I'd absolutely I mean I I don't know what what he'd offer me but I definitely consider I have tremendous respect for him he's been uh since I I've got to know him within the first couple months of his first administration uh he's been nothing but uh generous to me and and I have tremendous respect for what he accomplished uh in my lifetime no one's accomplished more as president in the first four years and so you know if he asked I'd definitely strongly consider anything he wanted me to do. Very good Attorney General Paxton keep on suing and keep on winning thanks so much appreciate it. Hey Charlie thanks for all your help we appreciate it was it was very important.

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Joe Biden is a reckless and terrible spender the worst in American history but Republicans are no better with big war and big pharma and big ag. We need serious cuts and this one percent stuff is not going to take it. Democrats have no concern about cutting spending and quite honestly this is not a political winner. Immigration political winner but cutting spending the American people want nothing to do with it. There will be a reckoning there very well might also be a strategy or at least a shrugging of the shoulders that if Donald Trump were to win the democrats won't be thrilled but at least they'll say well he's got to deal with this. There is a cataclysmic economic apocalypse on the horizon.

I just don't know the timing. The laws of economics like the laws of gravity can only be pushed up against so much. Eventually what goes up must come down. 35 trillion dollars that we do not have. One trillion dollars every 100 days. America spent 200 years growing into the richest nation ever.

We've taken half of a century squandering it. It is morally indescribable but it's connected with the moral decay across our country. A country that doesn't prevent prevent or protect kids from being trans. Why would we protect our kids from not being debt slaves? Protecting children is no longer a core American value. It's not a core American value from having kids being groomed by a public school teacher nor is it a core American value to make sure that we balance our budget in congress every single year. The protection of children and the passing down of our values people just kind of shrug their shoulders.

Big spending republicans and the entire democrat party they want nothing to do with even getting close to balancing the budget. The ancients understood that debt turns people into slaves. This is why the bible routinely promotes the forgiveness of debts.

It's called the year of jubilee. In fact it's one of the 613 laws of judaism is the forgiveness of debts after 50 years. The bible warns on dozens of occasions how debt will crush you. If america is buried under infinite debts we will no longer be a free country period. We will not be able to act freely. Our debt holders will control us. You will be slaves to inflation.

You will not be free. When I first started Turning Point USA I warned about this. In fact it was actually more popular to talk about the debt back in 2012. Nobody cares about it now.

Nobody. I mean you guys do but I mean nobody is that no more than 10 or 15 percent of the country is thinking about the debt. But there will be a reckoning. It is deteriorating our currency. It is ruining our purchasing power. I guess it's all fine if the stock market keeps on going up. Inflation is directly correlated to the fiscal and monetary decisions of politicians in Washington DC.

Specifically fiscal. They don't control monetary as much. And so we have a choice and the choice that the republican party has made and some republicans are trying and the choice that every democrat has made is debt slaves for our kids. When you see a child you should say you're a debt slave.

They will not inherit a freer country or a more prosperous country or flourishing country if this continues. We're getting emails Charlie I apologize I apologize my generation failed. It's almost too late. There's 30 seconds left in the fourth quarter and we need some serious action but currently congress wants nothing to do with it. We will borrow anywhere between two and a half to three trillion dollars this year.

They want nothing to do with balancing the budget or preserving a country for your kids or grandkids. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com