Why “Christian Nationalist” Should Be a Compliment

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Looks like it's a great one. Great to be with you, Charlie. Matt, give us the update of how things are going on the ground at CPAC. Yeah, you know, I think it's awfully important now that we're in this election year that we wake everybody up who feels like, you know what, we've lost so much. We've lost so much ground to the left that is there really any use after all the cheating in the elections?

You know, what do I matter? And since I live in this kind of like broken bankrupt blue city of Washington, DC, I experience that on a regular basis. Great people who love this country just feel like the fight is over. And so the job of CPAC with everyone who's in the hall and also just all the people who are watching from around the country and around the world is to begin the rallying cry this year to make everybody realize we are right at the break of victory. Donald Trump wins that White House again. We get four more years to actually drain the swamp starting on the very first moment of the very first day. This gives this country a new birth of freedom.

It's not the long term answer because in a democracy you get kind of short terms, but it is the absolute reprieve we need. And I I feel it it's coming together, Charlie, because, you know, Washington's not exactly the place everybody who thinks like us wants to fly to. But this place is completely jam packed. You know, the tickets are sold out.

The rooms are gone and people are stoked. So so, Matt, tell us about some of the big themes and some of the I know you have Trump coming this weekend. He's going to be giving a major address. Some of the big themes that you're hearing from the grassroots as we get ready for this incredibly significant election in November. Yeah, it's big.

It's hard. We always say it's the biggest election in our lifetime. But this is now kind of like the only election in our lifetime, not just the biggest, but like everything is on the line. And usually our straw poll gets a lot of news. It's the real America's voice straw poll. But I don't think it's so much about the presidency.

I think you can stick a fork in her. I think that part's done. But it's the question of who's Donald Trump going to pick to be his VP? Most of those major contenders will be here in an apprentice like, you know, performance showing the crowd what they what they got, what they think.

And then we'll ask the question of our attendees, you know, who would you like to see Donald Trump pick? And then the second big theme, our overall theme is where globalism goes to die. And there's so many things happening around the world and in our society that are being controlled by these global elites. One of the worst things is the fact that the WHO is on the brink of taking basically the national sovereignty of free people and really dictating terms to them on basic questions of health or using health as a scare tactic to shut us all down and close down our churches and close down our schools.

Can you imagine, you know, Americans didn't exactly clothe themselves in valor during the last pandemic. Can you imagine if it's China who's dictating those terms? Well, that's that's the strange world we're going into. And these are the types of things we're talking about. So, Matt, you talk more about the health thing. You have a whole bunch of doctors coming to you, like Dr. McCullough or Dr. Malone's or somebody doing something huge.

Tell us about that. Yeah, Dr. Malone and other leading health experts from around the world have convened their own meeting, which is coinciding with CPAC. And it started yesterday at our international summit. It's the first time we've had an international summit over 20 countries assembling to talk about these basic issues.

And we passed a resolution of action and condemnation on the WHO. Robert was there. Robert and I are kind of like fake ranchers out in the Virginia mountains because we're so done with living in the city. And he's just a fabulous, wonderful, kind of late in life conservative. I don't know if he even called himself a conservative. He's just had enough with these elites who are destroying all of our lives. So, you know, being a conservative is the term I always use.

I don't know if it's operable anymore. Now I'm just an American. And I love freedom and I adore our Constitution and our history. And we have a lot of people rallying to this cause, as you know, Charlie, who maybe would have gone through the orthodox paths to get to join us. And Robert Malone is one of them. But we need him. We need every single one of them.

I always say, if you agree with us on a couple questions, join this fight because it's a fight to save America. So the there's also a lot of chatter around, you know, the getting the grassroots organized in Arizona, in Wisconsin and Georgia. Talk about that. You have some big precinct leaders, state party chairs that are coming. I know Steve Bannon had a packed force multiplier event.

Tell us all about that. Yeah, it was awesome. I was there. I think he says it was more than 200.

I would kind of I would have that probably double that. And it was really exciting to talk about these people. Look, Charlie, I know you're very involved in this effort.

Everyone has their own lane they want to pick. Should we be chasing ballots? Should we be voting early? Should we be having a whole coordinated activity at these election centers? Should we be guarding election boxes?

I think the key is, is that here at CPAC, we have different groups that have signed up to do different things. And my call to the activist is get in those rooms, get take those $12 an hour jobs, even if you're someone who doesn't need the money, get in the rooms. It used to be about being an election observer that when I in my time, in national politics, it was all about the volunteers watching the count. Well, things have gotten so crooked, you got to be in the room with the doing the count, you know that most of these elections are being determined by temps in our largest city.

So why don't we get those jobs? And if there's wrongdoing, take the videos. And the other thing we have to do is we have to intimidate in the nicest of ways, all these elected officials that continue to flout the law. I don't care what jurisdiction you're in, go to the meetings, make appointments, make it very clear, become conversant with the law.

If the citizens don't stand up, nobody in a white building in Washington DC is going to make any changes. And I will say this, all this news about Michael Watley from North Carolina being the chairman is someone I've known for 20 years. He's brilliant. He's an election lawyer. He's exactly the type of leadership, if that's where this goes, that we need.

And I'm going to help him just in every way I possibly can. And I think we need, look, we need new leadership in these organizations who have quite frankly failed us. And the grassroots believes that and fundraising shows that. And I also think it's very important for groups like CPAC and Turning Point and others to be very well-funded in their plans. If we just rely on the national committees and the national campaigns to get this thing done, we will fail again. We've got to make sure all these outside groups have the coffers to do what it takes. That's what the left does now. And you know, as much as I think the left is evil, sometimes I think they're slier than us. How about we hopscotch them and we innovate and we do things they've never thought of.

No, I love that. So, Matt, walk us through the sequence, some of the speakers, how people can watch online. I know Real America's Voice is streaming a lot of it.

Just the details for people that are remote. Well, I want to first compliment Real America's Voice on streaming the International Summit. That was an amazing thing to see a resolution on the WHO, a resolution in support of Israel and a resolution calling out the crimes of the Biden administration on election interference akin to what Vladimir Putin gets charged with doing by trying to put Donald Trump in prison, all coordinated, by the way, by the White House counsel, who continues to be an anonymous person in our society.

I think we ought to make him famous because what he's doing is wrong. And so over the course of the next couple of days, as you know, with your great conference, these grassroots supporters will be hearing from the big names. We had less congressmen and senators, Charlie, because quite frankly, if you don't believe in using the power, then we're not going to buy you to CPAC. We want people like Tommy Tuberville, who spoke this morning, who believes in using his Senate power to stop the intransigence of the Biden administration.

And beyond that, I don't think just picking a bunch of Washington politicians does very much. We need to get back into these grassroots and highlight the heroes, highlight the heroes on the border, highlight the heroes in our communities that are standing up for girls sports and the pushing back on the insanity of what's going on in our schools. And we're also going to have this international flair. We have the president of El Salvador closing tonight, President Bukele, and we're going to have Javier Millet, the new president of Argentina, will be joining us. And then they come with all these interesting people from their areas. You know, Charlie, they love to call us racist.

It's just so strange that when all the continents assemble at our conferences of all different religions, all different skin colors, it really kind of makes that racism charge completely absurd. I love it. Matt, keep fighting. Great work. Thanks so much.

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If he continues with this type of messaging, he's going to consolidate Republican support and it's going to be harder and harder for the bad guys to do what they did in 2020. I don't know if we have this this one piece of tape. It was it was just one of the funniest Trump moments I've seen in some time where he says, and there's people they're coming in, they say, where are you from? Congo.

And where did you live? Prison. Do we have that quote? Ryan, it's one of the funniest little summaries. Donald Trump running against migrant crime and running against an invasion is a winning message. When you think about it.

People, civilizations, countries, nations, towns have been invaded for over 5000 years. It is a message that is very easy for people to understand. Let's play cut 50. This is a winning message. This wins over blacks, wins over Hispanics, wins over working class voters, wins over suburban voters. And boy, it is a huge issue across the country. You are seeing break ins, duis, rapes, arson, murder committed by illegals.

Play cut 50. It's a new category. I don't know if you've heard this, but I came up with this one. Migrant crime. This crime is violent crime. There's migrant crime. We have a new category of crime. It's called migrant crime. And it's going to be worse than any other form of crime. He continues to say that if we don't have a border, we do not have a country.

My favorite part of the town hall that I encourage you to watch is this. It's cut 47. It is he very easily could have defected.

He very easily could have backed down or surrendered. Play cut 47. You ever just say to yourself, you know, I'm done.

This is why a lot of people would have said I'm going to come out. Why are you staying in this? I can't because I want to make America great again.

It's not great. And we can do that. We can do it. We can get it fixed.

It's harder now. It would have been so much easier if we just finished off that for everything would have been so perfect. We had the border set.

Everything was set to rock and roll. He wants common sense things for the country. Play cut 51. And I always say I want people with common sense because there's so many things happening in this country that don't make sense. Who wants an open border? Who wants high interest rates? Who wants all electric vehicles?

And they're fine. But you want to have choice. You want to go to combustion. You want to go to any hybrid.

I think the hybrid are much better from that standpoint. But you talk we were talking about faucets. We're talking about we're talking about so much. It's all based on common sense. We want a strong military. We want choice and education. We want to have things that can really make our country great again.

Contrast that with cut 79. And the economy is growing. It's growing jobs, income across the board.

We have the most advanced economy of any major nation in the world. It really make it people say, you know, is Biden going to drop out of the race at this point? I think I want to run against Biden more than anybody else.

It seems to be that the Democrat cabal, the Democrat oligarchy, they're pushing and they're pushing to try to have Biden removed. But it's getting late in the game. It's getting late in the game. And my advice to Speaker Johnson is you guys missed the opportunity to get through all the impeachment stuff. You have to put points on the board for this continuing resolution coming up in March. By the way, it's coming up in just about a week. And are we going to do another C.R.? It is just one C.R. after the other one C.R. after the other. Hey, this is Charlie Kirk, and I know a lot of you have been suffering under the Biden economy.

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Andrew and Todd dot com. Joining us now is Russ Vogt. Russ, welcome back to the program. Russ, I read this article trying to attack you for being a Christian. I didn't even make it all the way through the article as as most of them. But the raw story one says Christian nationalist Trump ally crafting plan to invoke insurrection act on day one.

Russ, what's going on here? Yeah, this is part of an ongoing strategy on the left to demonize Christians who are involved in the political process. And generally the left is okay if you privatize your faith.

But God forbid you would ever take your Christian worldview and seek to apply it on a principled basis to the various public policy questions that come across the public square. And this has been an effort for years the left has invested in the term Christian nationalist, because they're trying to get Christians who think and love and care about their nation to not endeavor to be in the public square. And this is kind of, you know, the latest of their attempts to weaponize this. They're trying to kind of connect it with the Trump administration. Obviously, the President Trump supports what he has put out on his website.

That's his agenda. We have a separate think tank in which we work on paradigm shifting ideas. And one of those paradigm shifting ideas is that, as a country, we've been too secular, the conservative movement has been too secular, and that we're not going to save our country, or have anything to sell to the American people that's largely just divorced from the soul. And it's just pure materialism. We believe that you you've got to appeal to people on the basis of who they are created in the image of God. And one of the aspects of that is that people have souls. And so that is why we care a lot about this debate, because for too long, and Charlie, you've seen this a lot with all of the work that you've been doing in churches, that people in the pews have had pastors that have been giving them bad advice that have been saying, look, don't work tirelessly and care about your country.

That's wrong. And and we we one of our major priorities as a center is to change that worldview. But the dominant view of the Uniparty is secularism. And I hope everyone understands that. And the Uniparty thrives on, especially from the center right, de-emphasizing any sort of biblical world view. And you might have your own private traditions.

You might have Christmas or you can go to mass, but don't you ever allow it to instruct why you do what you do. So, Russ, I want to play a tape here. It's from Joy Reid, Playcut 52. Russell Vout, Trump's former OMB director. Christian nationalism is a top priority, along with invoking the Insurrection Act on day one to quash protests and refusing to spend authorized congressional funds on unwanted projects. So your response to Joy Reid? I mean, they mash about 15 to 20 different policy ideas.

I think she was referring to impoundment. That's a budget idea that has nothing to do necessarily with what we're talking about. You had all sorts of normal social conservative policies that have been articulated. And then you bring in Joy's concerns about the conservative movement and us being against critical race theory, which is state sanctioned racism. So they have put all these things together and just said, that's Christian nationalism. And every one of them needs to be unpacked and to figure out what in fact we are proposing and what we are not, what is leftist slander. Each one of them, they are slandering us, which is par for the course. But what I do think that clip shows is the extent to which, not unlike racism, not unlike bigotry, the left uses these pejoratives to scare us out of the public square. If it's tax cuts or D-reg, they don't really care about that. But when it's a cultural issue that gets at what the nation honors and dishonors, what it favors and disfavors, that's when they throw the pejoratives of. And what we've learned over the last five years or really since Donald Trump came to office in 2016, you do not save your country by retreating.

You save your country by pinning your ears back and moving forward, winning the debate and not really caring about what they say about you on CBS at the Nightly News. A hundred percent. And again, everybody has a worldview. Everybody does. The only people that are not allowed to mention or act on their worldview are Christians.

It's important. You have the guy that was the what was that, the monkey pox response director who's dressed in all sorts of weird like satanic garb. You got all sorts of you got Levine with obviously trans ideology. But if you dare have a biblical worldview, they're going to try and crush you. Joy Reid continues. And I don't mean to put you through the firing squad here, Russ. I just think it's interesting, you know, because Joy Reid and that kind of community of cable news broadcasters, they're trying to create this fear mongering tactic around Christians acting in government.

Let's go to 54, please. He also wants to dismantle the Department of Education, enforce Florida style patriotic education in our schools and federal funding of any schools that mentioned so-called critical race theory, gender ideology or what people like Stephen Miller determined to be inappropriate, racial, sexual or political content. They intend to force children to learn about their version of the nuclear family, including the roles of mothers and fathers and things that make men and women different and unique. That's what our kids will learn in Trump's Christian nationalist public schools.

Wait, I'm sorry. What would make men and women unique is that that's radical. Russ, that sounds like a great school.

Yeah, that part is true. We are totally OK with schools treating men and women differently on the basis of their biological sex. I am opposed to the Department of Education because I think it's the Department of Critical Race Theory. I mean, you have grants after a grant of culturally responsive learning where you're funding essentially a cultural revolution, not just with teachers, but with the students. That's what all this wokeism about. It is not about improving schools and it's not about improving test scores. It is about creating a cultural revolution. And we are not going to save our country if we're not willing to have that debate.

So happy that she's spotlighted that one because we are. It's been one of our number one priorities. So let me ask you a strategic messaging question. I have no problem if it's properly understood when someone calls me a Christian nationalist. I reject when they're trying to use a dog whistle, when they're trying to say it's a fascist and all that nonsense. I love the Constitution. You love the Constitution. But should we lean into this as far as the label?

What how how from a messaging standpoint? One of our producers, who, by the way, is not a Christian but a great patriot, says you guys should lean in on this, that do not give the left an inch. What do you think, Russ? Well, I know there's a lot of disagreement on our side about this. And I wrote a provocative article from Newsweek that says, what's so bad about Christian nationalism?

And we have leaned into it more so than many. And that is because, unlike most pejoratives, it describes something that's true. We are Christian who are nationalists. We are people who believe that we have a Christian nation. I mean, Christian nationism would probably be the most accurate aspect of what I believe, and where I think that, you know, home row should be in the debate, right?

But from the standpoint of the extent to which the left is trying to use this as a pejorative, I understand people don't want to lean into it. And I don't think it's that particularly important. But I do think what is vital is that you've got to understand that it's okay to think and love and prioritize. Prioritize being the key word, your nation as a Christian. Right now, churches have all of this talk about love your neighbor, and they don't have any ability to say, no, we do not want that group of refuge coming from that country that is dominated by Sharia law. We don't want that group of individuals, not because they're not made in the image of God, but because they have a different view of what a country should be.

And they certainly have no view of what our country with a constitution and the Bill of Rights should look like. So that's the kind of thing that I do think is important a little bit to prick the conversation and force it a little bit by leaning into the debate, and not just say, Oh, my gosh, they called me a Christian nationalist, I'm just going to run and hide like that's, that is what I'm not going to do. And I don't think that's the right approach. But I understand that people have a different views from a strategic standpoint.

Yeah. And also, it's important to remember, you're supposed to love your neighbor as yourself, which also means you must balance serving yourself and your own self interest as you would love other people. And so I just the church is always just say, love your neighbor. I say, No, I know. But the commandment in Leviticus says as yourself. Okay, I just I want to make sure everyone has their theology.

Correct. Just give it I was with President Trump yesterday. He's in great spirits. He has really an amazing motivation to try to transform the federal government and a willingness, because obviously, what he's going through, you are one of the top people I put you top two or three people that have really thought deeply about how to fix this. I know day one, you know, if asked to serve, which I imagine you will be, you'll be right there in the White House, helping, you know, shape and form and restore the constitutional promise. Well, you know, obviously, I love working for President Trump and strongly support him. And I think that he's a once in a century individual to carry this banner because of what he's experienced, but also his his willingness to have confrontation with the deep state and the forces that are killing our country. And, you know, I remember talking with him about the extent to what we were learning along the way in our in our first four years. And I think he has a developed sense of what must be done.

And that's exciting. And it's exciting to be a part of something that where you're trying to put through like, think like the left does mechanically, how do you seize control of these agencies? What are the paradigms that they have used? Well, our side of the people that go out and build businesses, their side is the one that for decades stays in a particular bureaucracy and understands it from the inside and out. And we have largely not had that. And so my purchase Office of Management and Budget gave me the opportunity from a government wide perspective, to have theses that we are developing at the Center for Renewing America, that we believe we can offer up as as a set of ideas, proposals, menus, some you take, some you leave for President Trump, if and when.

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Is there truth in that statement Russ? I think that's the wrong way to look at it and I am very very concerned to make sure that we have answered the criticism from the unit party and the establishment. You're smart set right is they don't believe that populist nationalist government can be done by our side and and our our wing of the the coalition. I reject it I think that there are wonderful examples of people that served and others who want to serve that are the type that can govern from an America first perspective and so I think that is how that would be a mistake to believe that the only people that can govern are the ones that have adopted all of the wrong paradigms that President Trump ran against once twice and now a third time and I think we've got to raise up the right number of leaders who are built for a storm and you know those who are not playing it safe right now watching people like my colleague Jeff Clark trying to be disbarred. I hope we find people that are in any it doesn't have to be public it could be at a school board level but I want to see people that are leaning forward into conflict with great cheer confidence and courage to be able to serve their country. I love that and I've asked this question of James Bacon and others and Sarab Sharma what is the number of people that will need to be the beachhead Donald Trump becomes 47th president to really reform the federal government I've heard different numbers I say Charlie you could do it with a mighty hundred you could take upwards of a thousand what what is what is the what is the answer in your opinion? Well I look at it a little bit more from an institutional standpoint that's one of the reasons why I think it's important to lean into the organizations that give presidents Democrat presidents the ability to control the executive branch so I look at office of management budget and I say look it's not just a budget office it has all of the tools that are necessary to be able to control the deep administrative state what's important is you actually have to know the tools and be willing to use them President Trump is someone that was issuing vetoes to protect these tools and not in the midst of an impeachment crisis and so he certainly knows those so I don't necessarily have an answer for you obviously we need a good bench I look at it more from the standpoint of what are those important above the line agencies what are the tools and are you willing to use them and what are the paradigms obviously department of justice is not an independent agencies there are no independent agencies that itself is something that if you name it and you claim it you have provided and armed an entire bench of appointees to go in and get it right in a way that the founders would have understood it is going to be the big question first can you win the election then can you run the government and I there's a lot of smart people that are that are are capable and you're one of them and by the way Mike Pence has this ridiculous new effort out Russ 20 million dollar effort to fight GOP populism I read that as they're gonna they're gonna try to undercut the incoming administration that's what I see is that if there is a Republican administration we we need and we need people to say I'm willing to leave my farm leave my job and go serve this government I think there would be thousands of great Americans that would step up to save the country Russ thank you so much thanks Charlie appreciate it thanks so much for listening everybody email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com thanks so much for listening and god bless for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com