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Is Trump Running Out the Clock On His Lawfare Enemies?

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Is Trump Running Out the Clock On His Lawfare Enemies?

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They have brought 4 different criminal cases against Trump. The Georgia case is collapsing in scandal. Now, it's looking more and more likely that Jack Smith won't be able to put Trump on trial before the November election. Will he pull it off? Kane of Citizen Free Press discusses that, the explosive growth of his website, and his gut feeling on whether Joe Biden will be on the ballot next fall. Plus, James Dickey discusses a disturbing arson attack on conservatives in Minnesota.

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Hey, everybody. It's time for The Charlie Kirk Show. Citizen Kane joins us. We also highlight some conservative offices that were firebombed in the state of Minnesota, and we talk also about, is Ronna going to step down as RNC chair?

It certainly seems that way, and what needs to happen next. Email us, as always, freedom at, and subscribe to our podcast. Get involved with Turning Point USA at Also, become a member. It's

That's to support our program, and email us, as always, freedom at Fill up, everybody. Here we go. This is across the country.

That's why we are here. Last weekend, at about 2 o'clock in the morning, Saturday night, Sunday morning, one or more arsonists broke into this building, and they set two fires. They set one fire on the ground floor of the corridor between our office, Center of the American Experiment, and space across the hall that we sublease to take charge, which is Kendall and Sheila Paul's organization. So the arsonists set one fire there, and then they set a completely different fire up on the third floor, and I think they broke down the door to the office of the Upper Midwest Law Center, and set that second fire inside that office, which is now completely destroyed. It's obvious that these arsonists were targeting conservative groups. This building is full of psychologists and chiropractors and financial advisors and so on. They didn't target any of those people.

They specifically targeted the three conservative groups that are located in this building. It's not going to impact us a bit. We actually launched a new campaign yesterday, and we're going to have to work remotely for a little while. We're working on finding a substitute office space for the next few months.

This is not going to impact our work. This is a huge story that caught my attention. I told Andrew immediately, get this on the show. I believe that was John Hindrecker, who's a good friend. I've known him for a while. He's great from Minnesota, but joining us now is James Dickey.

He's attorney for the Upper Midwest Law Center. James, thank you for joining us. This caught my attention. It should be national news. Arsonists come in, and I would imagine there's a federal hate crime statute about this, you know, using explosionary incendiary devices against people's political views.

He seems rather cut and dry. James, walk us through this. This is a major story that has received zero mainstream coverage. Well, thanks again, Charlie, for having us on here. And it's been a really frustrating situation for us. Last Sunday, January 28th, I got an email saying that our office has been totally torched.

As John Hindrecker from Center of the American Experiment said, firebombed essentially using accelerants in front of our office on the third floor of the building and in front of Center of the American Experiment and take charge on the first floor of the building. And some of that footage you just played there was our office on the third floor, which was essentially entirely destroyed with some rare exceptions, unfortunately. And it's been a really awful situation. But as John said, despite it being terrible to feel targeted like this, we are going forward without any stopping in our work. We're going to continue to do the good work that we do on behalf of the people of Minnesota. Yeah. So just walk us through some more of the details here.

How many people did this? Is there security footage? I mean, it's obvious it's political in nature and then connect that with just the bubbling up of radicalism every so often we see in Minnesota. You know, we hear about Minnesota nice. We don't think about Minnesota arson.

Yeah, no. So the as far as we know what I'm aware of at this point, first of all, there are security cameras at the building and there was a security camera on the first floor in front of Center of the American Experiment. I've had conversations with federal law enforcement a couple times so far. They are hot on the trail and I don't have any updates in terms of any arrests or any suspects that they've identified so far.

But they are hot on the trail. They're hard working on this case. They seem like very, very much wanting to get the people involved here.

And yeah, I mean, you know, you think of Minnesota nice, you think that there's going to be people out there who may disagree with us, but that they'll respectfully disagree. And unfortunately, there is a large element in Minnesota, apparently, of people who are willing to take action like this and, you know, attack someone towards their office because of their political views. Is there do we have any idea? I mean, we know politics, but a motive. Is there something a project that is being worked on or being considered that triggered this? Or was this a like, let's just say, an escalating type conflict?

You know, we don't have this came out of kind of out of the blue for us. But I mean, we do take on a lot of very at the Upper Midwest Law Center, which is my firm. We take on a lot of hot button issues. I'm arguing in the Supreme Court of Minnesota on Thursday that the governor did not have the authority to declare a peacetime emergency in response to COVID-19. We have an argument coming up in the Minnesota Supreme Court in April that the new change in the legislature that those who are still serving felony sentences are allowed to vote despite the Constitution's statement to the contrary for Minnesota. That's coming up in April in the Minnesota Supreme Court. So there are some very high profile issues that we take on.

And we don't know if there are any particular issue is the cause of this. But we have to think that, as John Henderacker said, they didn't set fire in front of the chiropractor and the psychologist. They set fire in front of the three conservative organizations. There's a clear motive here. You know, there's, of course, a motive. And so just last question here. How could people support your organizations? I mean, this is important. I hope the whole audience understands this.

You guys are doing great work. It's honestly mainstream, constitutional, nothing radical, very run of the mill type stuff, pro freedom. It's not this is not crazy stuff. You guys are targeted with firebombing. And just so everyone understands, evening, nighttime, twilight firebombing is now a pattern. And and very few I think there was only one arrest.

Right, Blake? One arrest post the Roe versus Wade reversal on firebombing, maybe. And right.

There was there was hundreds of these. And so you have these radical Antifa like activists. They they will break into offices, they'll firebomb and then they'll leave and they're not held accountable.

So how could people support you? And I know I asked something similar. Do you have any evidence that federal law enforcement is on the case here?

Oh, yeah. Federal law enforcement is absolutely on the case. We've had interviews with them and, you know, they're there. I know that they're working on it.

And I can't say much more than that at this point, I think. But I think I'm hopeful that we'll see something here soon. As for supporting us, you can go to UMLC dot org slash donate UMLC dot org slash donate. And every dollar that we get, of course, goes to our work.

And we certainly do, like you said, try to bring clear constitutional claims on behalf of people in Minnesota who deserve the right to individual freedom and liberty. And, you know, we're really grateful for all the support that we can get. James, thank you so much. We have your back. Thank you. Thank you, Charlie.

Appreciate your time. Blake, what are your thoughts on that story there? I mean, it's received almost no coverage. And this is a pattern, this evening nighttime violence of office buildings.

I can't easily say how much of a pattern it is. I can definitely say if, yeah, if we had a firebombing in D.C. of even any random liberal office, you know, mega violence on the rise. Did Donald Trump radicalize his supporters to burn down the offices? And it's insanity. And it really is. It's a regime that has to lie to you all the time about what's going on in the country. They lie to you about how much crime there is. They lie to you about who commits the crime.

They lie to you about all of this stuff. And then you have to be paying enough attention to notice things like this and go, oh, wait a minute. That doesn't work out.

That doesn't fit into the pattern. But you feel sad because it's very easy if you're sort of very accepting or just don't pay as much attention to just go with it. You have to really push back on that. And it's becoming easier to push back on that.

But it's definitely not automatic for a lot of people. Andrew, what's your take on this? We saw this happen a lot with the pro-life abortion deal.

What's your take on this? No, I totally think it's a pattern if you connect the pro-life dozens and dozens. I'm trying to get the number here. I believe it was over 100 that they were investigating. And there just seemed to be zero urgency from federal law enforcement.

Eventually, the FBI kind of got off their rears and started offering reward money. But it took the conservative social media basically pushing back on it a number of times. And you see this, yes, with Antifa. You saw this with the George Floyd, Floyd and Palooza riots, and then after Roe v. Wade.

And I think, Blake, you made a great point. And they call it whataboutism. But the reason they get mad when we do this is because it's just so clear every time. If the shoe was on the other foot, all we would hear about is domestic violent extremists and MAGA conservatives.

And Biden would issue a press conference and say the number one threat in America is right-wing domestic violent extremists and white supremacy and all this stuff. And I'm like, well, hey, when it happens the other way, can we not at least get a little bit of anger, upset? Can some people not say, hey, this is wrong?

This is just wrong, plain wrong, doesn't matter who it happens to? Or at least could people stop lying to us? Could people stop this hysterical, we have this incipient white nationalist MAGA uprising militia.

Yeah, and Elon Omar, A.D. Klomachar, I'm sure they were very quiet on this. You might have to be moving boxes or just it's tough, a lot of stress, and that means inflammation increases. And that means pain also might increase alongside of it. Relief Factor, though, is here to help. It's a daily supplement that helps your body fight back against pain. It's 100 percent drug-free and Relief Factor was developed by doctors searching for a better alternative for pain. Relief Factor uses a unique and proven formula of natural ingredients like turmeric and many others to help you get out of pain, to reduce or eliminate the everyday aches and pains you're experiencing. So whether it's neck, back, joint or muscle pain, Relief Factor can help you feel better. Unlike pills that simply mask your pain for a short time, Relief Factor helps support your body's natural response to inflammation, so you feel better all day, every day. Over one million people have tried Relief Factor Quick Start and nearly 70 percent of people go on to order it again. Relief Factor isn't simply about feeling better, it's about living better, living the life you want, doing the activities you love. So see how Relief Factor can help you with their three-week Quick Start, feel-back or your money-back guarantee. So check it out right now,, or call 1-800-4-relief.

Slay that inflammation, go to I want to play a piece of tape here. President Trump over the weekend said changes are coming to the RNC. And breaking news today, there is a resignation. Mike Reed, is that right?

Is that his name? Mike Reed, who is the chief of staff to the RNC chair, is stepping down, is resigning. Play cut 32, please. I think she did great when she ran Michigan for me. I think she did OK initially in the RNC. I would say right now there'll probably be some changes made.

Probably be some changes made. He also, President Trump said to Newsmax, it is time for Ronna McDaniel to step aside. She knows and she understands that. I actually haven't even heard this clip yet, so once Ryan gets this. Andrew, what is your take on this? I mean, here's the thing. We need to get our things in a row, our ducks in a row heading into November. One of those things is regime change at the RNC, but there's a long list of other stuff that needs to happen.

I am hopeful that this is finally sorting itself out. I think what you said is really key, and that's that the base is going to get really excited when Ronna steps aside, which all indications seem to indicate that she's going to. But we have to remember that's just one of probably 100 things that follow after that that are critical to 2024.

So caution to the base, caution to the audience. Yes, it's a good change. It's great to hear that Donald Trump is signaling that change needs to happen. But then we need to start fixating on who's going to replace her, who's going to be the co-chair. Are these people going to represent the voice of the base? And then at that point, it's critical because the base has turned off the donations for the RNC.

So we want people in places of power that inspire the grassroots, that get small-dollar donors back in place, and that really are willing to champion the get-out-the-vote efforts of Turning Point Action and other groups. So you've been really consistent. You've never made this a personal thing about Ronna. Ronna, I don't know her personally. You do.

From everything I've heard, she's a very sweet, very kind person. It's not about that. It's about winning. It's about getting over the finish line in 2024.

The country depends on it. We need to restart the RNC. We need the base, the voting conservatives out there across the Fruited Plain to realize they can trust the RNC again.

They can get back engaged, and we can all unite and win. Let's play this right here. It's Cut 33, a Donald Trump on Newsmax.

Play Cut 33. Fundraising is an issue. Hasn't been a good past couple election cycles at all.

2022 should have been far better than it was. I think we can all agree on that. Is it time for Ronna McDaniel to step aside? Well, I think she knows that. I think she understands that. And, you know, as far as me is concerned, as far as I'm concerned, I endorsed almost 100 percent of the Republicans that I endorse win.

And in the midterms, out of 253 endorsements, I won 222 races. And so he's signaling that Ronna's going to go. And so I think we now need to have a checklist of what is the RNC going to do on the most important priorities. And that's always been our gripe, right, Blake? It's not about personal. And Politico wrote this article. They said, oh, it's, you know, Turning Point is upset because Ronna's too close to the establishment. That's actually not our gripe. We're upset that they have the same leadership after three elections in a row where we feel we left a lot of wins on the table.

Adam Laxalt in Nevada, Herschel Walker in Georgia, things where marginal infrastructure could have made a big difference. Yeah, it's just if, you know, if she were winning a ton and still close with the establishment, we could accept that. If she were totally on our side in every way and maybe left something on the table, that would also, that would not be ideal, but we at least sympathize more. But it's the sense of being both that's really infuriating. But it's definitely the losing above all.

You had this great thing. You said it would be it would it's awful that the RNC both hates their voters and loses. Yeah. One of those things you could keep your job, at least, you know, if you win a bunch of races and you hate your voters, you know.

I don't know why you're helping us so much. Exactly. Or you could respect your voters and lose a bunch of races, which we could talk about, like, OK.

But if you hate your voters and you also lose all the time, there's no excuse. Yeah. It's just what have you done for me?

Like, what what is the case for keeping them around? I would love to know it. Email us freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com are restoring National Confidence Summit in Vegas. That made waves.

I'll tell you what. That was only a week ago. And that drew a lot of attention and got a lot of people thinking about the RNC. And it's really been a grassroots driven thing.

You guys deserve all the credit. And if this ends up happening, which it looks like it will, and President Trump is angling and signaling towards that because Trump wants to win. Trump is a once in a 100 year political force. He wants to win. He's unlike anybody we have ever seen.

And I think he knows that the current RNC leadership, he's he's a little bit he's a little bit worried about what they can or cannot do. Half of Applewood smoked bacon to your order for free. Not once, not twice, but every order for the year. This is expertly smoked heritage prime slices of the best 100 percent American bacon you've ever had. Good Ranchers sources all the pork and every other cut they sell from local farms and ranches in America. Meaning you can trust every bite for you and your family. Simply go to good ranchers dot com.

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Citizen free press dot com. How you doing? Doing well, Charlie. Yeah, I have the same reaction to that song as you do. I love it. I can't believe that it that it fits. So I'll take it.

Technically, they say his name is King, but it sounds like she's saying Kane. So we're going to we're going to take it. So it's citizen free press dot com Kane. There's so much I want to talk to you about here. And also, I just want to compliment you. Your website is as hot as a pistol right now. I mean, what are the page views?

Are you allowed to tell us? You're one of the top websites on the planet. Yeah, I can certainly tell you yesterday we did thirteen point two million page views.

I've explained it before. We have a very rabid base, right? The website loads extremely quickly. There are no ads on it. So it loads. It's less than a megabyte. It loads in in half a second. And so, yeah, we have about five hundred thousand people who visit about, you know, five or six times each.

And and they click on multiple pages while they're there. So that all adds up to 13 million. And I'll say quickly, I've been I've been watching Drudge's numbers. They've continued to fall. He's now sort of edging down towards five hundred million in the last 30 days. And we're at about three hundred and eighty million in the last 30 days. So we're getting close, you know. Yeah. Well, it's just like we say he's going down, but is you know, is Matt Drudge still at the Drudge report? That's the question, Citizen Kane. Is he still the mastermind behind Drudge?

Well, I can actually provide a pretty definitive answer here, and it's not an answer that people usually like to hear. But yes, Matt Drudge is still running that site every single day. And I know that for a fact because of I can't really say the journalist's name, but there's a journalist who publishes in conservative media, who sent me some screenshots that he had with emails with Matt and Matt. He asked Matt to publish a story by email and the next morning it was on Drudge report. So if you know, he has a couple of editors, but the evidence seems to show that Drudge is the Drudge is still there. And, you know, look, he's still linking to some occasional conservative site, some of his favorites. He linked to Free Beacon in the last week. He linked to Breitbart. So I really believe that it's just Drudge turned against Donald Trump. And then the rumors began that Drudge, you know, must no longer have had anything to do with it. But I really.

But he does. It's an incredible thing, Kane. You're on pace. I mean, this this calendar year, this political cycle, you might surpass Drudge report, which I mean, in media, Blake, that is like that for for for noncorporate. When I was at the Daily Caller writing for them, a colossal amount of our traffic just was get your article on the Drudge report. It was you would get an email in the work inbox whenever it happened because it was so important to traffic.

It was a make or break thing for the company, wasn't it? Pretty much. Yeah, Kane. And just I mean, I'm here.

I want to talk about stuff, some new stuff. But, Kane, you don't have an elaborate staff. You're just a dude from the Midwest that started posting links. I mean, it's unbelievable. Yeah, it's astonishing.

And to what he just said, he's he's actually right. And the numbers, though, have fallen for Drudge. It used to be you could get one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand, maybe even six hundred thousand clicks if you're on the Drudge report. And those numbers are falling. I've heard that from multiple journalists who have had links on CFP and had links on Drudge that say that just is, you know, the click through rate has really fallen back to the point of me being in an office.

Yeah, there is no staff, Charlie, you know, as well as anyone. I just work 16 hours a day and do this till two or three o'clock in the morning every single day for seven years. I think it's the only way I thought at the beginning that that was the only way to compete with Drudge was just to provide, you know, a lot more content. And he's doing 50 or 60 links a day. And we try to do one hundred and thirty to one hundred and fifty.

So there's a heck of a lot more content on CFP. Well, and just just everyone knows, people say, where do you get your news from? I sit here during the show. And, Cain, you update it 10 or 12 times while I'm on the show. Right.

I mean, it is it is within minutes. All right. So with that, Cain, a couple of things I want to talk about the border bill. I want to talk about Trump and Haley, the lawfare stuff.

Let's talk about lawfare first. Cain, you and I had this really important conversation. I know you remember it about a year ago where, you know, it was like one o'clock in the morning and you said, Charlie, I'm just I can't I can't go to sleep because I just can't keep on thinking about how they're going to indict Donald Trump. Cain, about a year later, it seems as if Trump has dodged and weaved some of the most pernicious lawfare attacks. He's not out of the woods yet. How do you analyze this, Cain?

Well, first, I want to add a little color to that. You know, so it was actually 3 a.m. I was still awake working and I was thinking, now, who could possibly still be awake right now and would want to talk about this? And I immediately thought of you because you're in a different time zone.

I thought maybe he's still awake at midnight. So, yeah, you and I have been have been game, you know, wargaming this for a while. It's he has dodged and weaved. You know, he's been very, very successful. So let's let's sort of get to how that, you know, the D.C. appeals court decision plays into this dodging and weaving. You know, I defer to Jonathan Turley on all of this stuff. And he's put out some important tweets, which I have in the stack at CFP, where he said that basically, OK, we know the D.C. appeals court put a February 12th deadline.

I'm sure you saw that. They're basically trying to speed things along. They say we will stay our decision until February 12th to allow Trump to appeal this to the Supreme Court. The reason they're doing that is they're trying to expedite it because according to Jonathan Turley, Trump actually has 45 days from the day of the ruling to request an en banc hearing from from the D.C. appeals court. So to quickly explain to people, today's ruling was from three judges on the D.C. appeals court.

The full the full D.C. appeal. Trump can request that the full court make a ruling. So he has 45 days that he can delay before asking for that. Then it's likely we don't know how long it would take that the the full court to decide, but they would probably decide against him. And then, according to Jonathan Turley, Trump has another 90 days before he has to appeal it to the Supreme Court. So according to Turley, Trump has one hundred and thirty five days from today unless Jack Smith is able to expedite it. And that's where things get a little bit complicated.

But, you know, so I'll sort of leave that one at the side. So in other words, Trump has one hundred and hundred and forty five days, excuse me, one hundred and thirty five days that he can delay it. And then the trial would just sort of begin again in terms of the motions. So according to Turley, Trump, after that one hundred and thirty five days, would have a couple of months pretrial. So he thinks that Trump will be able to sort of push this into that August, September zone, which would be within 90 days of the election and would violate DOJ policy.

So I'll throw it back to you with that. Now, Blake, we say DOJ policy, but there's been a lot of traditions, norms, policies that have been thrown out because Trump has driven people so insane. In the past, it would have been unthinkable to bring what is at minimum a novel criminal charge against Trump. You know, one thing with maybe Mar-a-Lago or something, but with this January 6th stuff, it's a completely untested theory. Trump has ever been prosecuted for this sort of thing. They're demanding a change in how we interpret First Amendment jurisprudence. And so they're throwing all that out and then we're falling back on, well, if we get two months out from Election Day, he wouldn't want to prosecute so close to the election. But what if Jack Smith just does that, too? He's like, yeah, I'm going to have Donald Trump on the docket, you know, on defending himself in he could on trial as people go to the polls.

Caine, Charlie. Yeah, I responded. Yeah.

Respond to Blake really quick. He makes a really good point. And let's not forget, there's one more angle to this, which is the obstruction of an official proceeding. As we know, the Supreme Court agreed to take up that case, which affects over 300 J6 defendants and also affects two of the four charges against Trump being brought by Jack Smith.

So I've read Turley's analysis of this and others. They're saying that we shouldn't expect a Supreme Court decision on that obstruction charge until June. So that's another avenue that the Trump team has to delay this because they can say, look, Judge Chutkin, two of the four charges being brought against us are very possibly going to be tossed out by the Supreme Court here in June.

So let's not waste time doing motions on these charges that won't even be there. So that's another angle I wanted to add. Yeah, that's so. Caine, just if you're best guess and you you are so clairvoyant on these things.

No, I mean that. How is this going to play out? Is Trump going to be a convicted felon before Election Day? I'm going to say no.

OK. And that's taking into account all the different trials. I'm going to say that that Fannie Willis will be I'm going to go and predict that she is going to be removed because Georgia has a very, very tough conflict of interest law. So as she has already made public last week, if she if her prosecutor prosecuting team is removed from the Fulton County case, that will delay that trial three or four months. So that pushes that one after the election. Then we've got, you know, this. So no, I'm going to say Trump won't.

But I'll say this. If they do convict him, if they're if Trump goes to prison or is well, he won't because he'll stay out on appeal. But it's going to be a Nelson Mandela effect. I'm convinced after watching for six months how Trump's numbers have risen with each indictment, I'm convinced that if they did the ultimate step and convicted him and and and and we're waiting for sentencing, I think that would probably help him with independence. Yeah, I think the Nelson Mandela effect is super interesting riff on that 30 seconds. Like we do see some evidence of that, that it makes him a more sympathetic political figure. It really does it. Like we said, he's antifragile. He is stronger. The more he stands up to every force that goes against him, it makes him seem like it's Trump against the world. Very few people are like that, by the way.

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Go to, promo code KIRK. Do you have a thought, Blake? So the Trump-Biden thing, it's so funny to me that I've been hearing some reports from people who've talked with lawmakers in D.C. I've heard similar reports. It's always framed like, you know, the DNC, like there's some sort of central council that will take action on this. And everything I'm hearing is, it's just, it's chaotic. Everyone's hoping someone else will make Trump go away for them. And so the thing about replacing Biden is, well Biden actually is the one in charge. Biden says he's running. Biden has said he's sticking it out the whole way. He thinks he's the only one who can beat him. So there's some breaking news.

I tend to agree with Blake. I think that Biden, they're going to ride. And I think that's the way it is. All right, some breaking news. Tucker Carlson confirms he's interviewing Putin, why he's interviewing, and he went to Russia for the food. I'm kidding.

They cut 35. We're in Moscow tonight. We're here to interview the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin. We'll be doing that soon. There are risks to conducting an interview like this, obviously, so we've thought about it carefully over many months. Here's why we're doing it. First, because it's our job.

We're in journalism. Our duty is to inform people. Two years into a war that's reshaping the entire world, most Americans are not informed. They have no real idea what's happening in this region, here in Russia or 600 miles away in Ukraine.

But they should know they're paying for much of it in ways they might not fully yet perceive. All right, Cain, I want your thoughts here. Now, this is it's going to be interesting if you kind of go through the list of the most watched interviews in the history of television. There's the Michael Jackson, Oprah Winfrey had 90 million views. Monica Lewinsky and Barbara Walters, 70 million views.

I don't want to get ahead of myself, Cain. I think that the Tucker Putin interview might be the most watched interview in the history of the species. Yeah, that's a proclamation there. Given the reach that Tucker has on Twitter, I think that's probably a smart bet. It's astonishing. The rumor pages have been going crazy these last two days following Tucker around Russia, and Moscow citizens have been excited. I'm looking forward to it. The last one I can remember, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Megyn Kelly going to Moscow to interview Putin since I launched the site.

So somewhere around 2019, 2020, but I don't think anyone else has been there since then. Yeah, and it's going to melt the internet. Blake, you worked for Tucker. What's your thoughts on this? Like I said, it's something he was interested in for a long time. I think Tucker is very genuinely interested in different countries and how they can do things differently from the US. He was in El Salvador before they had Bukele when it was just the MS-13 was still running the place. He's spoken with him since then.

He's been very interested in that. He went to Hungary, I think around 2020, 2021. With Fox, he went to Brazil with Fox.

Yeah, he went to Brazil. He's always loved the idea that countries can do their own thing and we can look to other countries for ideas on how to do it. It's kind of so funny that the idea is conservatives are closed-minded or they're very focused on their own country and compared to globalists who take in the whole expanse of humanity. But it really is that nationalists look to other nations for ideas and globalists are the ones who say like, oh, don't look abroad.

Don't talk to anyone. Yeah, that's such a smart point. Kane, any final thoughts on this as we wrap up?

Yeah, I thought that was a great point by Blake. Tucker, I'm older than both you guys. I've been watching Tucker since Crossfire on CNN, I don't know, 25 years ago. The guy has always been sort of on a thirst for knowledge and his views are not typical.

Tucker holds views that have often been outside the mainstream, even of conservative thought. So I applaud him for going. I'm going to promote the heck out of that interview and I look forward to hearing what Putin has to say. There's a lot that's been hidden from us, especially about how this war could have been avoided. And hopefully Putin gets into that. I don't want to get too deep in the weeds here, but it was all about the threat of NATO taking in Ukraine. And that was on his doorstep.

That was something that Putin wouldn't stand for, just like we wouldn't stand for Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba, 90 miles from our shores. So I really, really am looking forward to that interview. And I'll throw it back to you with that. Right. And if this leads to a cease fire, it will end up being one of the most important interviews because this war has got to end.

Just think about it. Blake, Andrew, Kane, thank you guys very much. Kane, you're the best Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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