How a Two-Page Bill Could Solve the Border with Stephen Miller

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We're filling in for Charlie today. And we welcome Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller is probably the best, most knowledgeable mind on the right when it comes to immigration. He joins us for half the show and breaks down just how bad this is, why it gives all of the authority to the wrong people, and really gives us an insider look.

This is the first legal that went absolutely viral. This is a stinker, folks. Stephen Miller breaks it down. We also talk about how demographics is destiny.

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. This is producer Andrew Colvet with Blake Neff, also a producer on the show. We have the one and only Stephen Miller on the line. Stephen from America First Legal, also one of the best voices in the country when it comes to immigration. You know the ins and outs of it, Stephen, like nobody else that we know of. Your thread on Twitter went absolutely viral from America First Legal.

I think it's over a million engagements right now that I'm seeing. You have broken this thing down brilliantly. So thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for taking the time. I'm just going to give you the floor. How bad is this bill? Well, thank you for that introduction.

It's great to talk to you today. I think the reason why people are responding so powerfully to that thread on X is because there is a tremendous thirst in this world that we live in filled with lies and psyops and gaslighting. There's a tremendous thirst for straight facts with evidence, which is what we presented. This bill is a codification of and a permanent cementing of Joe Biden's disastrous immigration policies and plans for the future.

So let me explain what I mean by that. The first part is a bit more obvious, right, which is that it cements catch and release. It cements the invasion levels of migration and its putative selling point. This emergency break that doesn't kick in until well over two million illegals isn't actually a break at all. Not only is it exempt unaccompanied minors completely from the calculation as to whether or not the break takes effect, not only is it exempt completely unaccompanied minors from the break itself, but the break that again comes in well past two million releases.

The break doesn't apply if Secretary Mayorkas believes there's any humanitarian concerns whatsoever, which, of course, the humanitarian concerns for them is literally anything, any time of day whatsoever at all you can get in. And additionally, it also gives you the right to request what's called is a very technical term, but it's called withholding of removal, which is another way to not get deported, basically within the asylum officer, the most liberal members of the entire DHS bureaucracy. And it also gives President Biden unilateral authority to determine and shut down the emergency at any point in time. So all of those provisions and many others that we could get into cements a permanent model of invasion level migration. It also is part of that because the bill continually carves out both unaccompanied minors.

So those are illegal alien 17 and younger, which is a big part was driving the gang population in America. And it also exempts adults traveling with children from enforcement activities as well. And the reason why that's so dangerous is because once a nation establishes now right now, it's only in. In the case of certain judicial rulings, for example, with families that have created problems with deporting families in the past, all of which Trump overcame and defeated to remain in Mexico, save third agreements, asylum bars and things we've talked about before on the show. But this bill, it cements into law the idea that you can't detain families and you can't detain minors. Any nation in the world, any advanced developed nation in the world that has a policy of not deporting adults with minors is a nation that will never be able to be sovereign, will never be able to have a border, will never be able to be independent in any way. Because it means you can defeat any future effort at immigration or border control through the importation of minors with adults or traveling alone. And that kind of policy means that America would never be free from illegal immigration for the rest of the rest of its time. Now, when I said it also cements the future parts of his plans, what by this plan to do into the future. This is another very important point.

It's a little bit technical, but I suppose it's why you had me on. The whole point of the Trump policy, which was spectacularly successful, was to get aliens out of the country as fast as possible without ever seeing an asylum officer, without ever seeing an immigration judge. The whole point, and President Trump established this from the very beginning of his administration, is rejecting the premise that an illegal alien has the right to set foot on U.S. soil and demand a Matlock trial for asylum. Because at scale, that will always just mean never-ending illegal immigration. In other words, you might be able to have that policy if you're the island of St. Helena and you have one person showing up a month. But the idea that illegal aliens can show up en masse and demand each their individual mini-trial, where if you win, you become a citizen, right, is fatal. It's fatal to any nation trying to maintain a status as a nation. So the whole Trump policy was get you out of the country before you ever have a chance to get into the immigration legal system that converts illegal aliens into residents and citizens.

This law codifies the exact opposite. It creates not only the right to immediately see a USAS, that's U.S. Citizen of Immigration Services, asylum officer, who are the socialists of DHS. So when we think of DHS, right, there's a lot of good guys, a lot of bad guys, right? ICE officers are good guys. Border Patrol are good guys, right?

They're heroes. There's a lot of bad people at DHS doing very bad things who hate people like us. Well, among the most radical components in all of DHS are your professional bureaucrats, your deep state at USCIS who work on asylum cases. They go into that line of work because they want more illegal aliens to become citizens. It gives them the power, and this is the key point, it gives these asylum officers the power to grant full asylum rights to illegal aliens.

That's how that has to be done, if you're going to do it, through the immigration courts, which are run by DOJ, and it's separate and different, and we could have a long conversation about that. But it gives these asylum officers the ability to grant instant approvals for full asylum. We talk all the time about asylum, we always talk about it, but very few people, even educated people, know what that even means. What does it mean if you give an illegal alien asylum? It means, among other things, one, instantaneously they have the legal equivalent of permanent resident status. In other words, they cannot be removed or deported from this country, even if in many cases they commit a crime. They have the status of full permanent residency. Within one year, they have a green card. And five years after that, they become full voting citizens, which means they get chain migration, they get the ability to sponsor relatives for admission, they have the ability to get Medicare, Social Security, everything, right? And another important point, which I didn't mention, is that an asylum recipient has unlimited access to federal welfare.

Unlimited. Because the law thinks of you as a victim of persecution and therefore rolls out the red card before you. Yeah, how long before those cases even get adjudicated? Is there any provision in this bill that would speed up the legal process for these asylum seekers, or are we still looking at two, three years out? Well, see, that's the trick, right?

And this is the important point. Now, all the people who are being released, of course, and this bill beefs up something called alternative detention, ATD, which any ICE officer will tell you alternative detention might as well be called stay here for life. Once you're out of detention, you're not going to be deported because the time, energy, and resources to find you once you've disappeared right into the country are extraordinary.

I mean, just think about it just this way. Imagine you had, say, 500 illegal aliens in a border patrol facility on Monday morning. To deport those 500 people would take some but modest effort, and they'd all be right there in that facility, and you would line up with transportation based on country. Imagine the same 500 people are released, and then you have to find them seven years later. Do you have any idea, imagine being given the assignment of, imagine waking up in the morning and you're told, what's my job today in the government? And you say, your job today in the government is to find the 500 illegal aliens who were released from border patrol custody seven years ago on Monday morning. Could you imagine that being your job?

I'll just close by saying this, which is that the rapid asylum approvals are one of the worst features of the bill because it should be called making illegal aliens into citizens rapidly. Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here. When the economy collapses, will you collapse with it? You can feel it coming.

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By all means, the floor is yours. The best way to think about this is the Biden administration's endgame, stage one and stage two. Stage one was just to release as many illegal aliens into the country as possible, and this book codifies that, as we discussed. Stage two was something even more spectacularly malicious, which is that they want to convert illegal aliens into citizens. The way that Republican lawmakers fall for this is they buy into this BS about, well, we just want to give these folks an asylum here. My point is that you don't want to give every human being from planet Earth who sets foot on U.S. soil a trial carried out by radical lefties who are all on the alien side to determine whether that alien gets to become a citizen. You want to deport them.

The goal is do not pass go, do not collect $200, do not come in, go home, go home, go home. That was the core of the whole Trump policy. That's what we did that was so historically, unprecedentedly effective. This bill staffs up a supercharged effort and then creates a new authority that is vested in Mayorkas himself. To simply look at an illegal alien and say, ah, yes, you look like an asylum secretary, congratulations, you now have asylum. Once you have granted that asylum benefit, that alien cannot be deported. That alien collects welfare, that alien becomes a citizen. It is by far the most malignant component of this entire bill.

And it's easy to see how the Democrats working on it figured that Republicans would fall for this. Because they would say, oh, no, we're just trying to beef up the asylum procedures and hire some more people and give them some more authority. The reality is it is the use of the asylum system to reward immigration with citizenship. And that's what this bill does.

And it's by far the most serious component of this entire bill. And I'll just say the last thing on this point is that one of the things that you learn working on immigration policy in the real world is that complexity is the friend of the alien. Simplicity is the friend of the deportation officer. When you have a 400 page bill with 4000 different rules for every single thing about how it's going to work, those are just 4000 more ways for an alien to stay in the country. If you wanted to actually write a bill to keep illegal aliens out of the country, you would have two provisions. Provision one would say no illegal alien can be released. All must be detained through removal. Provision two, the president shall have unfettered authority to deport any alien in his or her soul discretion. That's it. Two paragraphs, one page.

Done. The word that comes to mind to me here is discretion. The power of them is anytime you give discretionary authority to anyone in the system, you're creating an avenue for it to be abused by an immigration judge, by an asylum officer, by someone at the border. You're building an industry who profits off of the exercise of that discretion. Immigration is incredible, like so many things. You have to understand the money, you have to follow the money.

You have to follow the NGOs, you have to follow the corporations, you have to follow the Chamber of Commerce, you have to follow all the people who profit off of unchecked immigration. Every grant of discretion then develops an entire cottage industry solely dedicated to attacking the soft points and the weak points in the American political and legal system to exploit that grant of discretion. And so you will spend your entire rest of your life trying to shut down every new loophole that has opened up and battling every lunatic left judge in the furthest left precincts of the country that will be constantly engaging in interpretive theories of law in order to get aliens out of custody, out of detention. You may or may not be in the next administration if Trump gets reelected. I don't want to put you on the spot in that, but just put yourself in those shoes. If this law passed, what will this do to hamstring President Trump if elected? Well, I'll be very clear. I don't care what the hell happens in this world.

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The DC circuit will do it. Yeah, you can only deport white Christian males that were native born Americans. Those are the only acceptable class of people to deport.

Everyone is American on planet Earth except for Americans. Yes, that's basically where we're getting to honestly. I think that's why this bill is evoking such strong emotional response out of so many of us. It's because it feels like we're the only ones that don't get to speak up for ourselves anymore. I understand that if we had a far lefty on the show they'd be like, that's just your white privilege talking and come on let's look at the facts and look at how downtrodden all these people are. Guys, we grew up in this country, we remember what it was like. You can't take the memories out of my head, you can't take the social cohesion, the shared culture, shared history, and that's not a race thing.

It didn't matter if you're black, Hispanic, everybody was proud to be a part of this country because it had the rule of law, we were the best in the world, we had Top Gun, everybody wanted to be a part of it. It's like we're just getting taken advantage of, we're suckers. There is a really insidious agenda here.

It was great having Stephen Miller on, Blake, because he's in the weeds, it's wonky but it's so important. He's basically saying there's no border security in this, it's all exploitable, it's infinitely complex, it can be gamed by whichever bleeding heart liberal wants to game it. Or in a more sinister way, wants to replace the American population, and that's kind of where I want to turn the conversation to. And this is something actually that Elon Musk tweeted about, this is how mainstream this conversation is going. America's most successful immigrant, we should say. So our top immigrants are starting, and Musk is a very pro-immigration, he's spoken well of immigration in the past, and now he's kind of raising his eyebrows thinking, wait, what are these people trying to do?

He's retweeting Mike Johnson right now. But over the weekend, Musk actually went kind of nuclear on the Senate bill, and also a replacement theory, basically. And it's not a theory, it's not a boogeyman, it's not racial or anything like that, and I want to just make sure everybody gets the conversation right at the jump. This is simply replacing native-born Americans, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, what have you, with a new crop of voters, and it is about a permanent majority for the Democrats. This is from the Center for American Progress in 2013.

This is 2013, April 8, 2013. Immigration is changing the political landscape in key states, supporting real immigration reform that contains, quote, a pathway to citizenship for our nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future. Is the only way to maintain electoral strength in the future. That word there is key, maintain, and I think we're seeing this with how Trump has done better than past Republicans with Hispanic voters, for example, despite being tougher on immigration, which they said was a third rail. It's like what Democrats are doing, it's like when they chop down the rainforest and the soil's only good for so long and then it gets exhausted pretty quickly, supposedly, and it's like that. They can give amnesty to illegal immigrants, but it's like they're aware that they're actually only going to be a reliable voting bloc for so long, so you need this constant flood, this constant amnesty. You need more and more of it because the country's getting bigger to maintain their political fortunes because they see eventually too many of these people are assimilating and they're starting to care more about America than just about whoever will promise them more stuff and making sure all their family members can come in. That's a great point, Blake. Yeah, slash and burn farming for America.

Yeah, exactly. Well, in the meantime, it just gets more crowded, more filthy, more expensive, and it's a real problem, but you're right. I mean, so we see a big distinction between, for example, like California Mexican immigrants and Texan Mexican immigrants. You become part of the culture, at least to some extent, even within one generation, but the kids even more so.

It's even deeper than that. If you look at Hispanic voters who've moved into really interior America, so if they're in Wyoming, if they're in Ohio, if they're in the Dakotas, I believe, and when you check how these people vote, they vote even more conservative. You get to the point where they're assimilated enough to both where they live and just to the country at large that they stop having such a wide divergence, and I think that's another reason the left is so interested in keeping the volume high. It's not just bringing in new unassimilated people. I think they believe the more you have, you're slowing down the assimilation of those who have come before, and you're diluting the basic sense of an American identity, so there's less and less for them to assimilate to. There's a huge amount of mendacity to it, and I just love that word that they use.

It's essential to maintain electoral strength. They realize this is something with depleting returns unless they are constantly supercharging it. I love that point, Blake. I love that point because I've heard it described like this.

Actually, it was Chris Buskirk, the publisher of The American Greatness, who was the first one to use this example to me. He said, It's like a meal. America has had a very big meal.

This is like Thanksgiving times 10. We have absorbed the largest movement of humanity in the history of the world, and we need time to digest it. Now, yes, there's probably about 20 million people on that list that deserve to be deported, frankly.

Whether we can ever get to that, we can debate about it. Let's say that the goal of Trump's admin should be deporting all Biden-era illegals. We would still have a massive group of illegal immigrants in this country if we got rid of just Biden-era illegals.

As Stephen Miller laid out, it's a Herculean effort. Once they disperse into the interior, removing them again is a massive undertaking for any government. It's much easier to just keep them on that side of the border and never have to actually find them again, process them and remove them. That being said, what you just articulated is really important because if you can flood the zone with enough immigrants that you dilute the essence of what it means to be an American, if you can dilute the culture that is here, the assimilation process then becomes, are you assimilating to what it means to be an American or are you assimilating to this new sort of bastardized muddled mix of something that none of us would recognize, a country that doesn't resemble America? So then can you actually move immigrants from the point of being, yeah, we love the Democrats and they give us stuff and to the point of actually I want to live in a free country where I can succeed and my children can succeed and that has the rule of law. And that transition from sort of being dependent on this Democrat party with the giveaways and the lax rules and lax enforcement to being actually I live here and I want this place to succeed and I'm going to actually start voting more in line with the population that lives here already, that could then slow down completely or if not ever happen and you might resemble a country that is more like Peru or something that has struggled with generations of far left politics. Venezuela even is not off the board.

I know everybody likes to use that as like a boogeyman but it's conceivable. Let's bring up the other half of this. So this is Center for American Progress, major left wing kind of think tank also has done media outlet stuff, had a lot of influence on the Obama administration especially. This is them in 2013. So this is the same post they made before, immigration is changing the political landscape in key states. They say here, demographics is destiny, the past, California, the present. They have Florida, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia. You'll know three of those four states were states that voted for George W. Bush in 2004 and Colorado, Nevada, Virginia. Those are now solidly blue states. None of them are even considered very maybe Nevada a bit but the other two, Colorado, Virginia, no one expects them to go for Trump except in the biggest of landslides.

Nevada probably won't go for Trump but if he really dominates maybe. Florida, that is the white pill here if you want to use that word. Florida does show you can have a very diverse state, a very high immigration state that due to effective on the ground political operations and effective messaging, you can actually have it shift to the right overall.

And then you see the future. They have Arizona which had been Republican every election for ages and then suddenly goes blue. 2020 is now a very competitive state. North Carolina, very solid state back in the George W. Bush days, voted for Obama and now is back in the GOP column but very narrowly. And then they say future long term.

This is again 2013, they're writing this. Georgia, Texas. Georgia goes blue for the first time in ages last election and Texas is the big one. Texas is the white whale where if they're able to, you know, spear it and make it a blue state, all these other states essentially become pointless. If you have Texas and California locked down as blue states, presidential elections are essentially non-competitive unless you have a radical revision of the electoral map. You would need Pennsylvania and Michigan and Wisconsin to be safe Republican states to make up for something as big as losing Texas. And that is why they're so obsessed with making sure the flood continues and especially making sure the flood continues into Texas. It's not even tolerable for them for Texas to shut it down and have them still go in through Arizona and California.

Because that means you're just pumping more people into California, already a blue state. They want them in Texas. They want them getting amnesty in Texas.

Yes. And that's why what Governor Abbott did busing them out was actually, you know, yeah, we all admit it was the lesser of two evils, right? They're still in the country. They shouldn't be here.

They should be deported or at least held on that side of the border remain in Mexico. But at the same time, with the same time, getting them out of Texas is good because you're right. If we lose Texas, you will never have a Republican president again until and unless there is a reshaping of the electorate. We're talking tectonic shifts in the way people vote. And here's the other part that we're not even talking about.

Because the census counts anybody here, not just U.S. citizens, we're still, even if we push them all to California and Arizona or wherever, Blue District, Chicago, New York, you're still getting congressional power and congressional spending being hyper-located in these blue districts that accept the most of these illegal immigrants. So there's multi-fronts on this battle and they're all sort of devastating and destructive and disorienting. It's insanity what they've done. It's insanity they've gotten away with it for so long.

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How do you combat this? And I think Stephen Miller, just a few minutes ago, really laid out the basics of this, which is you have to reject every attempt to muddle this and make it complex. You have to say they're trying to distract you with this 300-page bill that no one understands fully, except the most plugged in people.

Every form of complexity is beneficial to D.C., it's beneficial to the powerful, it's beneficial to those who are profiting off the current system. And you have to counter this with radical simplicity. You say, there is a flood at the border, we will stop it. How do you stop it?

By ordering it stopped. You stop admitting people, you stop admitting the flood. I think the scale of the Biden flood has made this more politically tenable.

I think when it was lower in scale, people are more prone to being pressured where, oh, there's these people, they're very desperate, they're very sad, look at this crying child. And that works if it doesn't seem like an emergency, but when you're having every big city in the U.S., literally it's turning people out of shelters, they're converting schools into shelters for migrants, they're shutting down rec centers to hold migrants, there's homeless people in the streets all over the place and more buses are coming in, more buses. It makes it so a lot more people are going to respond positively to, this is a choice by the Biden administration, we will stop it.

And the way that you stop it is you just order it stopped. The way you deport people is you deport them. And maybe Miller's idea is a good one. Maybe we just draft a ten-page bill, something anyone can read, a two-page bill even. You draft something anyone can read and they can look at that and decide, do they like that policy or do they like this 400-page policy that Democrats are promising them is a great idea? Yeah, I mean, I think you're right.

I think simplicity is key. The fact of the matter is that, to your point earlier, this has become politically more tenable for a Republican win here if we hold the line because the problem has become so extreme. We can see it with our eyes. There's something very visceral about immigration. Even for the Democrat, the moderate, the independent, they can see how their country is changing rapidly, extremely rapidly. And you have Chicago, you have New York, these mayors are struggling under the crippling weight and financial burden of mass migration.

And so I do think that it's very simple. You have the power to stop the border, you saw that Trump did it, but you're choosing not to. And so now you are asking for more money, namely to fight a far off war, while kind of shortchanging the American public. And so you have the power, you refuse to use it, you want more money to do more processing of more illegals, to have more discretionary authority to process more illegals, and it is vastly way too complex. I do think when you have polling numbers in the 18%, you're not going to convince that many people that you're actually wanting to do something. So I think that just the proximity of the Trump era, where he was tough on this, to Biden's open border crisis means that we have the leverage. And once again, I cannot, and Blake, maybe you could divine this, how Senator Lankford goes in with all this polling data, all of this immigration, financial data, and comes out with this stinking garbage heap is beyond me. The guy should resign, honestly. This is so unbelievable that this is what he came up with. This is the best he could do. I think Matt Gaetz said if Senator Lankford had negotiated the Louisiana Purchase, Mike Johnson's home district would be in Mexico today.

I can't grasp how it came about, and that is what stuns me. If Lindsey Graham rolled out with this because he's really into the Ukraine war, it'd be more coherent to me, or if Mitch himself did it. But Lankford, I don't think was perceived as one of the most liberal senators before this, or at least I didn't hear his name brought up like that a lot. He represents an incredibly conservative state. I guess maybe the chatter is that, it's like I said at the top, I don't really know if it's, it could be, I'm tempted to just think maybe he got circles run around him by Democrats, where they tell him, oh, you know, this is great because it's got expedited process for asylum seekers, and it's got this emergency authority, and he thinks, oh great, I got these great concessions for our cause, and they just don't understand what they're trying to sign on the dotted line. But that could just be coped. That's very generous of you, Blake.

I think they're complicit, and they just want to fund Ukraine. I try to see the best in people, and they keep giving me the worst, unfortunately. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. We really appreciate it. Talk to you soon. Thanks so much.