What Vivek Learned Running for President

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Joining us now is one of my favorite leaders in the conservative movement. He does a great job, Governor Stitt from the great state of Oklahoma, who he has now pledged support for the Texas border crisis via the Oklahoma National Guard. Governor Stitt, welcome to the program. Tell us about that announcement and why it's so important for the people of Oklahoma.

Well, first off, thanks so much for having me on, Charlie. You know, like most Americans right now, Oklahomans certainly are looking at what's happened at the southern border and we just don't understand. I don't know what you call six million people illegally entering our country unless you call it an invasion. And so we certainly stand with Governor Abbott. The fact that the Biden administration is cutting razor wire to let people into the country.

It's just unbelievable to us. Listen, there's 28 ports of entry along the southern border there in Texas and it's already a federal law. It's illegal to enter anywhere except for those ports of entry. And the last time I flew to Mexico, you know, I had to land at an airport with a customs office and show my passport. It's so, this is so asinine that we're even having these conversations and I don't even know what the Biden administration is doing right now.

That is such a great point. So I was in Cabo recently and someone I was traveling with had, you know, had some expired identification that we had to call and it was like this two hour thing. And the Mexican government was like, yeah, you're not allowed into the country.

And the person I was traveling with was, you know, kind of stumbling through and we had to call the American Embassy and get stuff faxed. It was like a two hour delay and I felt like saying, I said, boy must be nice, must be nice knowing who's coming into your country, you know, border checks, ID. So Governor Stitt, you're doing a great job running Oklahoma. I think it would be helpful for our audience to know, how has the open border invasion impacted your state? Fentanyl, crime, how can, what can you point to in your state that has made your job as governor more challenging because of our open border?

Yeah. Well, first off, the Fentanyl crisis. I think it's important that Americans understand and in Oklahoma, our Fentanyl deaths have increased by 500% just since I've taken office in 2019. And then you look at, let's take our healthcare industry for a second.

You know, it's illegal for, it's a federal law that when somebody shows up to the ER or hospitals, they have to give them service whether they're illegal or not. I mean, I don't, I don't understand how, how dumb we have to be. We're creating, the Biden's policies are creating this mass migration.

And here's, here's the other, the other point. I mean, governors like, like myself, we would like to have more control over our H1B1 visas so we can meet, you know, workforce needs, true workforce needs. And if, if our labor force needs labor, but it's got to be done legally when we have to know who's coming into the country. And so right now you have people on the terrorist watch list that are coming in illegally. And so again, the only explanation that the Biden administration can have is they're literally trying to bring in people that they think are going to vote that they want and they want to try to change the voter laws and make, make, make just a bunch of voters, new voters for themselves is the only explanation you can have.

But we got to focus on what's best for America, not what's best for someone's next election and the American people are getting sick of it. So, so you are signaling support from the Oklahoma National Guard. Oklahoma is a great state. Can you just go through some of the specifics? I'm curious.

What does that look like? Are you, I suppose they're still under your control or do you delegate that to the governor of Texas? What are they going to be doing on the southern border? And have you heard any whispers that Joe Biden might federalize your National Guard? Well, we've already sent troops to the border once before and I think about 10 or 12 other Republican governors did that in support of Abbott when he asked us last time. And I actually went down to Eagle Pass and went down and to meet my troops on the border to put my eyes on it.

And the razor wire piece, that's literally all it is is a barrier right there at the river's edge to keep people from coming up. Because as soon as they touch the soil of the U.S., that's when the Biden administration was just releasing them and giving them a court date that says come back in two years. Here, welcome to the U.S. And so, so Abbott and all of our troops were trying to keep people from entering the country.

Again, pretty common sense, but we'll do it again. We've already pledged that as soon as Abbott needs them, Oklahoma will be there to help them support. But I think it'd be a tremendous mistake for President Biden if he tries to federalize the Texas National Guard because these are still Texans and I've talked to the Border Patrol. I've talked to Texas National Guard. They know how silly the Biden policy is. They want to protect their communities. And so you're going to put our National Guard in a tough situation trying to obey what they know is a very, very foolish policy allowing invasion to come into our country illegally.

And I think it's a powder keg that's ready to go off. I hope Biden calms everything down and doesn't try to push this issue because Americans are sick of it. I mean, can you imagine if Joe Biden federalizes 26 states National Guard?

I mean, I don't even know how to process that governor. Yeah. Well, I think that, you know, our National Guard, they're here to serve the country, but they're also Oklahomans.

They're also Texans. They understand this issue and I think they would have a hard time getting down there and cutting the wire under Biden's order and just letting people come in. So it would be a difficult situation. Yeah, it would be complete.

I want to be very clear. This would be completely on Joe Biden to unnecessarily escalate a conflict. Like, why don't you go visit and talk to you and Abbott, Mr. President, before you even like whisper federalizing anything?

Like, I know working more than two hours a day is unusual in this White House, but I mean just there would be so insane and so outrageous and governor from a moral perspective. You've been really clear on this and excellent, which is we are being invaded and Oklahoma is not technically a border state, but your border adjacent you're only a couple hours and you're seeing the flow and by the way, one of the thoroughfares of which a lot of the drugs and fentanyl go through goes straight through your state. It goes straight through the state of Oklahoma.

And this is impacting us in humanitarian ways. I would argue that almost every single state is a border state. Can you just talk though about how some of your other Republican governor colleagues? I'm very encouraged to see now 25 states stepping up you guys originally.

What do you because that's double before it was 12 now, it's 25. What do you attribute that to? Yeah, I think to me, I think the straw that broke the camel's back for even moderates or even people on in the Democratic Party when they see saw the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision say that we can start cutting these wires down to let people in illegally outside of these ports of entry.

I think that's just that this makes no sense whatsoever. So obviously I'm glad to see the other Republican governor stepping up. I think quietly Democrat governors are like really tired of this.

You see New York calling foul and you see Illinois asking for more resources. These even liberal states realize this is unsustainable and they're asking for federal resources now, which I'm absolutely opposed to giving any federal resources to try to sure up some of these other cities, some of these other states. Let's fix the problem. And that's simply to go back to the Trump era policy, which has just remained in Mexico and let's know who's coming in our country. We already have a legal process for work visas, etc. Let's make sure we do that correctly. And again, these solutions are not difficult. We know how to fix this problem.

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Yeah, I mean a little bit. I haven't seen the Senate's plan, but you know, here's the deal. I don't trust the Biden administration at all to negotiate until they secure the border. We have to secure the border. It's common sense.

It's not difficult. They have to start enforcing the laws that are already on the books. And then we yeah, we can talk about immigration reform and what that looks like. And but until they want to have an honest conversation about the border, I think anything that they put out is probably dead on arrival.

And it should be that way. Governor, talk about this recent decision to suspend exploration of LNG or exporting. I'm not caught up on all the details, explain it to us. So basically, you know, Oklahoma is an energy powerhouse.

We're so fortunate to have resources not only in Oklahoma, but a lot of states, Pennsylvania, Texas. And so the Biden administration and the Department of Energy has just suspended or stopped new permits for LNG exports, new projects. So basically what that means is you've got a federal agency now stopping the sale of our resources to our allies.

So what does that mean? That means that LNG is liquefied natural gas that gets shipped to our allies in Europe and Asia. And now that means that our friends in Europe are going to be forced to buy energy from Russia.

It just makes no sense whatsoever. You're harming American companies and American jobs, number one. You're bending your knee to some extreme environmentalists, number two. Number three, you're making the world less safe, more dependent on people that don't like us. Why would we line the pockets of Russia and Iran instead of American companies with our allies? Because guess what? People have to heat their homes. They've got to drive their kids to school. It makes no sense whatsoever not to be energy independent and not to sell to our friends and our allies and force them to buy from their enemies.

Is there a lawsuit in the making here? I mean, what does this mean for Oklahoma if this becomes policy, the suspension of using this great blessing that God gave us underneath our feet? Yeah, I mean, well, first off, Oklahoma is like the pipeline capital of the world.

This is also interesting, Charlie, that I think your listeners would love this. You know, in Cushing, Oklahoma, we have the largest oil reserve, commercial oil reserves, about a hundred million barrels. It's actually where they price WTI oil. And there's already two pipelines.

Think about this. There's already two pipelines from Canada to Cushing, Oklahoma that deliver safe natural gas and all the way down to the coast then to get on ships to go to our allies around the world. The third pipeline, the third pipeline was going to be the Keystone XL that the Biden administration killed. There was already two pipelines from Canada to the U.S. and into Cushing, Oklahoma.

The Keystone XL was the third, the safest way to move oil and natural gases by pipelines. Everything that this administration does is political. It doesn't make sense for the American people. That's what's driving inflation up. But he's going to harm not only Oklahoma companies, but he's going to make everything cost more in Europe as well.

Yeah, it's just, it kind of is this theme which you keep on saying, it makes no sense, and it's ideological. And you as a governor, you don't have the luxury of believing in abstract ideological fantasies. You have to deliver for your voters and not this bizarre academic theory that you can transition us away from oil and natural gas. Just final thoughts on this and other things you're dealing with in the great state of Oklahoma.

Yeah. Well, again, I'm getting more and more bold as I see some of these policies that are being pushed out of Washington, D.C. I think Americans, we believe in free markets. We believe in individual liberties. People want the government to stay out of their lives so much.

Why are we getting involved with a company that is trying to deliver and sell their resources, the LNG? Then you throw on the latest cutting razor wire down at the southern border, and I think people are just getting fed up with it. You know, my plea to this administration is, let's sit down and let's figure this out. Let's stop this nonsense. Stop focusing so much on getting re-elected and let's do what's right and let's do the job that you're elected to do and that's to protect the American people and America first and make our country the beacon to the world. You're doing a great job, Governor. Hold the line.

If they're able to cripple our energy dominance, we will enter the third world. Period. End of story. Governor, thank you so much.

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You know, a lot of people, they'll come on and they're full of bluster and all this. And, you know, you came on our show and I said, you know, we're doing all these different things and you pledged to support Turning Point. And I said, oh, thank you, Vivek.

That's very nice. And you just made a very, very generous gift to Turning Point USA. So thank you, Vivek, means a lot. I know that you don't want the credit.

You didn't ask for it. None of that is just, I texted you and I mean it because you really are a believer. You are dedicated to this.

You love this country. And I'm really, really impressed by how you conducted yourself and the impact that you made throughout this last year. So I just want to make sure I say that and I'm going to dive deeper into that as our discussion continues. You've had a whirlwind last few weeks of a lot going on, but you have an announcement to make here in our program. So the floor is yours.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've been thinking about different ways to have an impact on the country. And Charlie, the presidential race for me is over. I think the presidential race as we know it is over.

Donald Trump is going to be the next president. It's our job to make it that. But I've been thinking about how else to have an impact across the country.

And we need a good Senate and we need a good Congress to be able to get this done. And so I'm looking at who are the top candidates who I'm going to actively be able to support to make sure they're able to shape our country. And one of those I want to announce for the first time today is Kerry Lake, who I'm going to now officially as of this moment, endorse wholeheartedly in her race to actually help lead this country.

And she's, as you know well, an America First patriot. But the thing that stuck out to me about Kerry, there's a lot to love about her, but she is one of those few people with a spine to actually stand up and stick it to the establishment media without fear of consequence. And I know a lot of Republicans will generally in vague terms complain about the media or whatever. I think Kerry is somebody who knows how to cut through a lot of that smokescreen and get to truth. And you think about the media is supposed to hold the government accountable.

They're no longer doing that. Who's going to hold the media accountable? It's going to take Republicans like Kerry Lake to do it. And so there's a lot of reasons why I support her. Her tough stance on the border, being from Arizona, a lot of her colleagues being complicit.

I would go so far as to say in the open border situation we have, but somebody is going to stand for American values, stand for America First principles, but also have the spine to stand up against the media. That brought me around wholeheartedly to say, I'm going to be helping her and doing everything I can to make sure she is indeed representing us. That's great. We love Kerry and Kerry is in it for the right reasons. So it's an awesome announcement Vivek and you're welcome here.

Anytime in Arizona. We're planning something very, very big, hopefully soon. So Vivek, there's so much I want to talk to you about, but here's a question I haven't heard you answer because, you know, people ask you the popcorn stuff and that's fine. What did you learn running for president? What did you learn? I'm still processing.

It's been only not that long and I want to take some time to reflect on it. But a few things that I've learned the first two things are going to sound stupid because you're going to say, how did you not know this and I did know it, but I didn't really know it is the influence of mega money on politics. I mean the audience for the audience for the debates, for example, is not the people of this country the audience for the debates are the gatekeepers the mainstream media and a donor establishment that uses that to take their cues of who's going to actually advance their agenda. So that was one of my learnings is you know, the media is going to be powerful in the mainstream media is going to have an effect in tilting the scales, you know, the mega donors matter, but you think you can stand up to that only to a limited extent is what I've learned is at the end of the day the people who have determined and tilted the scales hold far more power than I expected.

I'm not sitting here to whine about that or anything else, but it is a learning that I think I'll take forward with me and it's worth understanding deeply if we're ever going to fix it. I think the positive learning Charlie is that I also went to places in this campaign that traditional Republican candidates don't go. I've been to the south side of Chicago. I've been to Kensington in the inner city of Philadelphia been to parts of the country been on the west coast California one thing I've recognized even last week after the campaign ended. I was I went to New York City to visit friends and family when I was in New York City last week.

I'm not kidding you Charlie. I'm driving. I'm like walking around on Central Park West. There's people driving their cars sticking their heads out of their cars people might be 25 30 years old screaming in support. I'm meeting doorman in apartment buildings. It'll come up and tell me I'm with Trump and I'm excited you're endorsing him, but don't tell anybody else.

This is in the middle of Manhattan in New York City. One of the things I've realized is that we are actually in substance 80% of us far more United in this country than the media would teach you to believe and so I stand by it. We are in the middle of a war in this country, but it's not a 50-50 war. It's easily 80-20 in our favor. Yes, it might be 90-10 in our favor and I think that's something I learned in this it opened my eyes this year leaves me.

That's the part that leaves me hopeful and the part that leaves me more cynical and both of those I would say are learnings from the last year. Yeah, I mean it's kind of both those takeaways are somewhat different sides of the same thing, which is that the people are with us, but the oligarchs are not and they control the process and the infrastructure. I totally agree the attitudes of this country.

We're a center-right country. We are and the vague what I saw from the ground, you know, I called you we talked right before you ran for president. I gave you some very blunt, you know advice and feedback and something I missed in your candidacy. I saw it was happening is how you were able to red pill elite opinion and you did this better than anybody. I've seen run for president or do anything in a short period of time and I'm talking about people with master's degrees PhDs billionaires that otherwise were not necessarily thinking about these issues and one for example is Elon Musk. I mean Elon Musk you drew the attention of Elon Musk for multiple hours on these Twitter spaces. You have the world's wealthiest guy that is running some of the most powerful companies on the planet and you're having substantive detailed conversations.

So I call you the red pillar of the elite because we need some of the elite. We don't need all of it, but it kind of goes to your important actually, it's incredibly important. I think it's important. So in the long run, I don't think we should have these separate categories of the gatekeepers versus the will of the people that's we fought an American Revolution to say is that it's not decided in the back of palace halls.

It's decided by the people through a constitutional republic. But in the meantime, this can't just be a myth in order to get there. I think what we have to realize is that many people who have achieved the American dream as I have right who have lived in the elite Halls of Nations elite universities or whatever. I think many of them are still good earnest people that may have not been given the permission in their environments to be able to say the things that are probably true in their heart, but they've convinced themselves out of and so one of the things that I did in this campaign, but I want to continue to do Charlie is give a lot of those people the permission to speak openly what they otherwise might even say in private at the dinner table. I mean you look at the likes of it's not easy.

It's in some ways you got to celebrate that even more because it's harder. They have negative consequences financially that inert to them. I mean the likes of Elon Musk, I mean even the likes of people on the center-left people like Bill Ackman. I've appreciated a lot of his eye-opening behavior and I've butted heads with him and we have we're friends, but we have sparred aggressively and disagreed vehemently, but I think that's those are the kinds of people with whom you need to have open honest debate and I think the path to reviving this country runs through that kind of honest debate.

And so that's what I've been doing. I would say in all corridors of American life, but including even amongst former colleagues or peers and so-called elite America. I do think that's an important element of this fight and every one of us right we each have our own unique advantages.

We've got to look ourselves in the mirror and ask how are we going to use our own God-given gifts our own unique abilities and our own unique gifts to be able to drive change in this country and that's definitely one of the ways that I feel a sense of responsibility to help drive change in our in our movement as well. In addition to the elite opinion. I saw this happening with a specific type of voter that Republicans need to win.

This is the Joe Rogan crypto minor voter. They're very high IQ. They consume a lot of information.

They're very online. They consume a lot of podcasts. They consume a lot of long-form discussion. They are not necessarily MAGA. They're not mad.

They're not against it, but they have their, you know, idiosyncrasies when it comes to certain issues, you know, the type I'm talking about and I saw it firsthand. I want to play piece of tape here though, because it demonstrates my theory because I've seen it. I've seen it firsthand where these crypto Bros come up to me in Scottsdale and they say, oh my goodness.

I love Avakie's the greatest thing ever. I say tell me more listen to this. This is New Hampshire. This is kind of these are not your traditional Republican voters saying they voted for Trump because of a vague play cut 85 because I just feel like we need strength in our government at this point and a new change in leadership will be excellent for the look of our government by that from Swami endorsing Trump was also a big sign that I mean, this is the way to go for vague refund that that's that's a demo. We need to win. We need to win the Rogan bro entrepreneur young male vote.

So I'll give you a few different buckets that I think we are going to win and I'm doing everything in my power to make sure we do and that's why I think we're going to potentially have a landslide of epic proportion this November. I'll say young people young people who are libertarian aspiring entrepreneurs historically apolitical but want to succeed without anybody else flogging them for who they are. I also think that black men are pretty interesting demographic and I can talk about that Charlie is I was surprised with the level of black male support particularly. I mean, I like black female support too, but I'm talking about a specific demographic of people who have been told to shut up sit down do as they're told they're now kind of sick of that a lot of people in the cryptocurrency world a lot of bitcoiners a lot of young entrepreneurs who are aspiring and so people who may identify as libertarian what I would say Charlie is you would say they're not maga.

I just want to riff on that a little bit. I actually think that you know what they can be maga. I think they may not be traditional Republican. I think we need to define what maga is and maga means the people we like to run the government are the ones who run the government.

We the people create a government accountable to us not the other way around and our leaders owe a moral duty to this country not another one put it that way. Yes, we're bringing all of those independent so-called centrist podcasts long form listening potentially bitcoin trading crowd along with us who historically make comfortable saying in public that they're libertarian, but they're actually there's a nice there's a nationalist streak to it too. That absolutely makes that part of the maga movement. And so one of the things we've got to do is Joe Biden's going to use the word maga whatever. What is what does he say extreme maga? He's going to make that part of the theme heading into this November. I don't think we should hide from that label.

I think we should embrace it and use that to encompass a lot of other people from black men in the inner cities to cryptocurrency traders to people who are young entrepreneurs aspiring across this country to say that you know what we are maga we're proud of it and you're going to actually welcome you to our movement as well. And that is why I dropped out after Iowa Charlie. I did not expect to drop out. I got about 8% in Iowa. I was about to get 8% in New Hampshire as well, but I think this GOP primary needed to be over I think for all intents and purposes it is over now to throw that vote and then some in Donald Trump's direction and to make sure we're focusing not just on winning this general election, but but by doing it with this kind of moral mandate shock landslide quality Reagan in 1980 did it. I think Donald Trump in 2024 could do that. This could be the 1984 of Ronald Reagan is the 2024 of Donald Trump and I think that's the single greatest thing we can do to unite this country and then use that wave to send good people like Carrie Lake into the Senate and do the same thing as well. That's what it's going to take to get this country back. You just you did a great job on that Charlemagne show.

I want to talk about if we have time and Vivek I want to just encourage you. I think you could be a deciding factor in this upcoming election. One of the big things that have changed since 2020 is there's probably been a 30 to 40% increase in production and definitely consumption of long-form podcasting since the last election liberals and left-wingers with the exception of a couple tricksters. They can't play ball in long-form podcasting.

There's a couple that can do it because they're really really talented sophists, but the majority of them they can't do it right. And so I think that Trump should unofficially deploy you as the long for podcasting surrogate and this is a huge demo. We're talking about the Rogan's we're talking about, you know, the Charlemagne show we're talking about even pod save America if they'd ever have you on you dominate in that format because you're high IQ you're authentic you ran for president you understand the issues you're incredibly charismatic, you know history your vocabulary and your diction and your word selection really resonates with college educated high IQ people that you know don't necessarily just want to hear the name-calling that they get exhausted but their policy in alignment with us. I am now here by appointing Vivek as the official long-form podcasting surrogate of the conservative movement.

We're getting some of the clips here, but for the it's in the audience for good reason doesn't know there's this guy Charlemagne. He's very powerful in the black community. He is a little bit more of a free thinker than people give him credit for he's not a Democrat partisan Vivek you just sat down and you did a wonderful job walk us through this. It's and I'm sure the response you've received is overwhelmingly positive. Yeah. Look, I think that we had a serious conversations. What happened is early on in my campaign. I went on that show and there was Charlemagne and there was this guy DJ Envy who are in person and then there was this third person this woman who remoted in and that interview I mean it worked out. Okay, but it went off the rails.

I mean, you should just watch this from over a year ago. It was unnecessarily contentious about some weird topics that she was challenging me on about how I hadn't run for student council president yet. We don't have to go there, but it was just it was it was a very uncomfortable interview a year ago and at the end of that Charlemagne had told me is like well, I bet you're not coming back after this I see you know what I bet you that I will and so I didn't really have a chance to do it over the course of the campaign, but I prefer to keep my word and so I had told him I was going to go back on and so I happen to be in New York City visiting friends and family. I called him up and said you want to do this on Monday morning.

We called him over the weekend. He said sure so we came on on Monday morning and we had actually what was actually a really productive conversation unlike the first time that I went on where we talked in depth about some contours of American history where I'd like to think that you know, usually I'm doing this to persuade the audiences but not necessarily the host but I think on the occasion we just had earlier this week. I think I did actually persuade the hosts of a few things of our history that you know, they may not have known about and I think those are the conversations we need to have as a country if we're going to move this country forward such as the legacy of slavery or our founding fathers actually forever tainted because they own slaves. You know that age-old topic. I think we made some progress on that by just not arguing it but just talking some facts about history that the other two weren't aware of and I think that was a positive for the country.

I hope here it proves my point. Look how talented the bake is in this long form and I know some people in the audience and this is okay. It's a generational thing something wrong with you might say I don't understand what do you mean long form you sit down unscripted for two three hours and you just talk. This is the way that a lot of swing voters and people in the middle get their information that I believe the 2024 election will partially be decided on who wins the long form war play cut 188. I'm in this to unite the country and I think if we're going to take this seriously every one of us has to acknowledge the full nuances of our history in every direction to say that we're not going to listen to Thomas Jefferson or there are founding was illegitimate because they were deeply imperfect and flawed is every bit as bad as somebody who's going to say that I'm going to entirely dismiss the fact that they were slave owners.

I think that both of those are mistakes that could lead to the lead to the failure of our country as we know it. Yeah, I think you did an excellent job on their the vague. So you talk about black men. I want to dive into that. What other issue set do you think is an opportunity to win over black men coming in the November? Yep, the border and Ukraine and both of them relate to the deeper question about what the heck is my government actually doing to say they care about me versus caring about people halfway around the world or south of our own border, right? When I went to the south side of Chicago, one of the things I saw was they're converting South Shore High School into an encampment for migrants at $7,000 per migrant per month.

Now there are a lot of people in that community. They challenged me on things like racial reparations and we I didn't budge on my position. But where we actually found common ground was to say that you know what America first does include all Americans.

And so they're providing baby formula and sneakers and the totality of $7,000 per illegal per month converting their high school into an encampment. Yeah, you are right in this community to ask what the heck about me and I got questions. They're asking about why are we forking over hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine this corrupt country halfway around the world for a war that no one's explained to me actually helps me here at home when we're not doing enough for veterans benefits or Social Security or Medicare protection for the people who do live here. So I think those are winning issues and then I think the other winning issue for a lot of black men in particular is the idea of just speaking the truth in an unscathed in an unvarnished way. Even the hard truth is about what's the truth about what really happened on January 6? What's the truth about the FBI's corruption that led to the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot?

I've found that a lot of people because there's a history here Charlie. I mean the FBI was corrupt in the 1960s going after Martin Luther King or civil rights activists with incorrectly collected tapes. And so I think when that lands on the ears of many black Americans, they hear a different valence than the average.

No, that's just say, you know, New England Boston Bremen class. I will say this though Democrat and we're running out of time to make black men are open-minded to alternative theories that otherwise college-educated people wouldn't be in and that's important because they've experienced it through the history and so we can unite actually to say the FBI was corrupt 70 years ago and maybe Republicans failed to admit it then. Well, you know what?

They're still corrupt now and the Republicans are admitting it now. So why don't you come along done? Black men are open to that. There's some forces working against them. Guess what? They're right the vague God bless you man. Thank you for the support. We're behind you a hundred percent. Keep on going on those long-form podcasts. Thanks so much. Thank you, man. Thanks so much for listening everybody email us as always freedom at Charlie Kirk calm. Thanks so much for listening. God bless.