Ask Charlie Anything 174: Is the GOP Learning? Winning the Border Battle? DEI and the Soul?

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Love the show. Look, I'm not taking credit for it, but there's some truth to this. I can isolate three issues in particular that we have focused on, made persuasive arguments, and by we, I don't just mean The Charlie Kirk Show. I don't by any means think we're that powerful, okay?

I think we make a impact, a difference, but it's the community of people. It's Matt Walsh. It's Candace Owens. It's Ben Shapiro.

It's Steve Bannon. It's all of us. Then we kind of get into there's a harmonization effect, and it's all it's totally organic. There's no group chat. There's no coordination.

There's none of that. It's just we kind of look and see what other people are talking about, and then we talk about what they're talking about, and we kind of create this effect. But one of the issues I want to talk about here has been one of the great messaging victories of my career. We were completely outgunned, and I could list just a few shows and programs that had the moral clarity from the beginning, and that's on Ukraine. I have not seen an issue that has moved so significantly, so quickly, so against the powerful as the Ukraine issue. We are coming up on the two-year anniversary, two years, right, Blake, of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. From the very beginning, we've been morally clear Russia should never have invaded Ukraine. It's not right for a strong, powerful country to invade a weaker country. We were very morally clear from that, and we were so attacked. Oh, my goodness. It was the same playbook as BLM.

It was the same playbook as George Floyd, the same playbook as COVID. They throw a name at you, and they try to isolate you on the fringe because you dare ask certain questions. Blake hates that phrase. You dare pursue certain stories they don't like, or how about this? You make arguments that are not in the mainstream. And I've never been overly ideological about the Ukraine-Russia issue.

I'm not overly interested. Russia is not a blueprint of how a country should be run. They're not a free society. Russia does not have Western values. Russia is not even close to the worst country in the world.

It's not. They're incredibly corrupt. They're very self-interested. They think of themselves as way more powerful than they actually are.

They have regional ambitions. You must understand Russia before you even begin to comment on it. And as soon as Russia invaded Ukraine, and we were supposed to feel bad for Ukraine as if they were completely innocent, and that's just not true either. Russia is an equally-typed corrupt country. Part of Ukraine actually wants to be part of Russia. Anyway, I could go on and on and on.

And I would say, actually, I'm curious. Can you guys find the actual numbers? I think that maybe 10 to 15 percent of the country was with us on the Ukraine issue. And to be honest, our audience wasn't necessarily with us.

I went back into the emails a couple of years ago. It was about 60-40 against us. And almost never do we pick an issue on a daily basis where you, the audience, are against us.

And it was like, Charlie, you're completely wrong. We must send arms to Ukraine. This is the most important thing ever. Ukraine is a mini-America. And we don't follow the crowd.

We just looked at it analytically, and we asked the correct inquiries. Why is this? How is this in America's best interest? How does this not escalate into a further conflict?

Is this going to weaken or strengthen the American dollar? What does success look like? And we led, and we led, and we led. And the great, the true leader of this is Tucker Carlson.

He deserves the most credit, and Steve Bannon as well. And I'd put us and I'd put us in the top three or four of very vocal social media accounts, very vocal shows, where it was a no, it was not, there was not a mystery around the Ukraine issue. We covered biolabs. We covered Azov Batale, and we covered the corruption of Zelenki, color revolution, Lindsey Graham saying that we're going to play offense. And we were in the 10-15% of the country that said no aid to Ukraine, period, end of story.

We were in 10-15%. There was maybe one or two lawmakers. No, I'd say three in the Senate that shared that opinion.

It would be Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and maybe Josh Hawley. I think Josh was there from the beginning. Besides that, it was 96- 95- nothing. And then we kept on bringing up these points. Why did Zelensky cancel elections? Why did he close churches?

Why is this guy that's being lifted up as the bastion of democracy, all of a sudden putting his political opponents in prison? And we went on and on and on. And the regime went so into this topic that it just, nothing can be that impenetrable. Nothing can be that sterling.

No effort can be that important. I mean, it's just, it's not possible. And so all of a sudden more and more information started to come out and people started to say, wait a second, our border's wide open. So we're getting invaded.

And why do we care about the invasion over there? And it has slipped and slipped. And this is the power of dissident media. And I know I'm going to sound like I'm attributing a lot to this, but it's just true. Elon Musk purchasing Twitter and releasing Twitter from captivity is another one of the reasons why the Ukraine issue has moved in public opinion. As more and more people were able to learn, see the outright lying, see the, well, maybe there's bad guys on both sides in the Ukraine-Russia, even though they called us a Putin puppet relentlessly. Jack Posobiec deserves a lot of credit on this as well.

He did a great job. And it never bothered me. I was like, I barely even know anyone that's Russian. I've never been to Russia or met with a Russian person. You can call me Putin puppet all you want.

It did not phase me. And it's the same thing. Oh my goodness, they call you an anti-maxer or a massacre, an anti-vaxxer. They call you a racist. They call you a Putin puppet. It is weaponized name calling to shut you up. They weaponize a certain term that's supposed to mean something. And you're supposed to grovel into submission into the corner. So when they call me a Putin puppet, I think it's hilarious.

I'm an American who loves the Constitution, the Declaration. Putin does not. Now, is Putin the worst person ever to live? No, he's not.

I'm sorry. There are much more evil government leaders in Vladimir Putin on the planet right now. Xi Jinping being one of them. Is Russia the greatest threat to America?

No. So you can have both of those simultaneously true. So I want to play a piece of tape here. And it is David Ignatius in The Washington Post saying it's shocking to even think what would happen if we give up on Ukraine. So David Ignatius, he is now moralizing. But I would love to ask David Ignatius, why do you think the American people no longer support sending money to Ukraine? Why don't you make better arguments that are shaming us instead of lying and suppressing?

Let's play cut 180, please. If this effort to provide continuing U.S. aid to Ukraine fails, Joe, I think of the people who fought to build up American credibility in the world. I think of my dad's generation that fought in World War II, the sacrifices they made. I think of the decades of struggle in the Cold War to build the reliability of America's name and commitment to its allies.

That was hard work year by year. And when you think of all that would be lost in terms of America's reputation if we don't stand by this ally, it's just it's shocking. It's something that will last in terms of our national reputation for much longer than people think. Our national reputation for much longer than people think. He knows that we're losing on this topic and this issue. And by the way, this has been something Rand Paul has been talking about. We fund both sides of every conflict and almost every conflict in the country. We see funding on both sides.

We're going to talk about that after the break. But I just want to compliment you, the audience, and I want to thank you, the audience, because we made some really bold arguments, episodes, interviews on the Ukraine issue. And you guys stood by us.

There were a couple nasty ones that said we're never going to listen again and we're never going to support you again. But you guys were wonderful to us. You kept an open mind. You deserve a lot of credit. And I thank you for that because the arguments we were making were right.

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Can you tell us more about that thing? So I don't want to talk about any of the private stuff we had, but I'll tell you the essence and I'm sure he'd be fine with it. Look, if you go back a week ago, I didn't do this for this reason, but I certainly got his attention. I mean, I was upset and I'm still upset.

That hasn't changed. And to his credit, he handled it really like a man. He reached out to me and said, let's talk. OK, that's different than most politicians. Most politicians will try to attack me and leak negative stories and try to take you out. That's how McConnell would do it. You think McConnell would say, hey, let's talk? And so he bluntly said, call me on a Sunday. I said, OK. And, you know, again, some of the articles, you know, I I said, quote, I know a fraud when I see one.

Charlie Kirk absolutely blast Speaker Johnson over spending deal. And by the way, that's that sentiment I 100 percent hold. But I will say he goes up in my standing in my stock because he calls me and I'm not used to my news. That's kind of like surprise.

Not. And by the way, never once did he tell me to stop saying things or any of that. It was just a very it was a very direct conversation. And again, I've hit a lot of different people. Typically, they react in one of two ways. They tell you to go to hell and then they deploy their little, you know, attack dogs on you. Or they'll do a surrogate like they'll have Eric Erickson, whatever that loser's name is that no one listens to attack you on social media.

Or they'll just completely ignore you and blacklist you and eventually, you know, try to have some sort of person try to take you out. Who's very business like. And I challenge him and look, I'll say this. I don't want to get into some of the details, but he didn't have to make that call.

It's 30 minutes. He knew that he was calling someone that was really fired up and really heated. And I told him very directly and bluntly, I said, listen, you have a once in a generation opportunity to show that you're a different type of Republican. The border is everything. He agreed on the board, the significance of the border.

He totally did. And I don't want to get into some of the private stuff here, but I challenged him directly to be the Christian leader that we desperately need and that he says that he is. I said the people of America right now and the base will rally behind anybody, anybody that will raise the flag to fight on the border.

Anybody. And so we'll see. People ask me otherwise. They said, you know, what are your expectations and all this? And my expectation is to be disappointed.

That's how I that's how I operate. I'm just used to D.C. politicians saying one thing or do another. But he didn't have to spend 30 minutes. Not once did he ask me to stop tweeting or asked me to stop hitting him. Instead, he tried to win me over. Whether or not that worked is a separate issue. But I said, listen, Speaker Johnson, what's done is done. I said, if you do not if you screw up this thing coming into March with the CR, I think you know what's going to happen. You're not going to speak, be speaker any longer.

Any longer. So I frame it as this. You have an opportunity.

You have a great opportunity. The problem is that becoming speaker tends up to being all backroom D.C. politics. We've had decades of deflective, disassembling nonsense and B.S. A speaker who even looks like or seems like he cares about the public would be amazing. And what's great is you guys watching this program, you guys, I really there's nothing like secret I'm saying on these phone calls because everything I say on the show, I say on the phone call. So I said, why didn't you go to Eagle Pass and shut down the government and set up a bunch of tents and do a press conference?

Again, that's not it's not like a new a new thing. But look, he gets a thumbs up on one thing. He had the gusto, the stones and the spine to reach out to someone who was awfully critical of him. And you go up in my book on that.

You go up in my book. That means that you're willing to look right into the fire. You don't run away. You don't do the typical D.C. thing. We're like, oh, I don't I don't know about that.

And then you whispered your little lobbyist to go launch a Tomahawk missile. We've been through that many times. And he's always welcome on the show. I don't know if that's actually the best idea for him right now.

I'd like to actually see him succeed to stuff because it would be a 10 out of 10 fastball interview. But look, here's some good things. Speaker Johnson has just confirmed the U.S. Ukraine aid being negotiated in the Senate will not pass the House. Speaker Johnson just said Ukraine's down on arrival in the House. He said that the border deal is down on arrival.

And he did fill me into one element that I think is really important. One element that Chuck Schumer learned from the Trump shutdown, that if this and I still think this is not an excuse not to shut it down, we should have shut it down 100 percent. But Chuck Schumer learned from the Trump shutdown that military pay and Border Patrol pay would have also been shut, quote unquote, shut down because Schumer put all those together on the same timing date to try to force the hand to not have the government shut down. And the thing that I disagreed at the most with the speaker, to be perfectly honest, he said, I think Biden would relish and enjoy a shutdown. I said, I don't know if that's true.

We had a disagreement on that. So I appreciate the call. I say this non-sarcastically. I'm praying for him because, boy, do we need it. We need a strong, conservative Christian leader right now. And he has an opportunity. All this nonsense and failures of leadership and the stuff, the way he's disappointed me and us.

Forget it. Let's move forward. Let's focus on the opportunity ahead of us.

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There's a series of clips here in his conversation with Tucker Carlson. Now, I need to preface this. If you are listening to this broadcast at a future date, some of this information might not be completely up to date. So everything we are saying, we're going to do our best to project this in the future. This is an unfolding situation and a story that is happening in real time.

So just please keep that in mind. Okay, Greg Abbott joined Tucker Carlson's program. Tucker, like me, has been very critical of Greg Abbott and then Tucker will have him on the show. Greg Abbott has been so focused and determined because this is escalating into a standoff. This is escalating into a standoff and I cannot say this explicitly enough. Everything must be done by the rule of law and must be done peaceful. They are the lawbreakers. They are the arsonists. They are the ones that are escalating this conflict.

Let's play cut 191, please. If the administration declares that it plans to federalize the National Guard of the state of Texas, your National Guard, what will be your response? Well, first, I'll be shocked.

That would be a boneheaded move on his part, a total disaster. But for one, as you might imagine, we are prepared in the event that that unlikely event does occur to make sure that we will be able to continue exactly what we've been doing over the past month. And that is building these barriers, whether it be the constitutional wire or other anti-climate border barriers, whatever we've been building, the Biden administration is now trying to attack us because of it. And we will continue to do exactly what we're doing to expand our denial of illegal entry into the state of Texas. So what Greg Abbott is saying is super smart here.

He's saying, hey, Biden, if you escalate to so just everyone knows the president, United States reserves the right to federalize the National Guard to take away a governor's authority of the National Guard. This is done rarely. Typically, it's done in natural disasters or widespread riots or totally crazy stuff. And there's another law that we're going to talk about in just a second here, which I think is really important because they've been building up this word in the mainstream media narrative for a reason. And I have not heard a single person talk about it. And I think we should tweet about it to get ahead of it.

I'll tell you about in a second. But the situation in front of us in Texas is that you have the National Guard, the president can federalize the National Guard, but there's other agencies that the president of the United States cannot federalize. Texas Department of Safety, Texas Rangers that Greg Abbott has fully at his disposal as the governor of the state of Texas. Now, I want to play cut 192 here, but I guarantee you right now and Abbott has thought this through. But make no mistake, everybody, I guarantee you right now there are conversations happening in the Department of Justice and in the White House counsel's office about Joe Biden signing the Insurrection Act.

These people play for keeps. Now, what is the Insurrection Act? The Insurrection Act, the last time the Insurrection Act was signed, was by George Herbert Walker Bush to contain the Watts riots in Los Angeles. We wanted Trump to sign the Insurrection Act during Florida, Palooza, and he should have signed the Insurrection Act.

But don't be shocked or surprised of all of a sudden some lunatic on MSNBC, trial balloons. It's time to sign the Insurrection Act, Joe Biden. Do not be surprised, which would give the attorney general of the United States, RICO power, Merrick Garland, to go arrest Greg Abbott and the every single one of these red state governors and nullifying their electors potentially coming into November.

But imagine the PR. This is why I love what Greg Abbott is doing, but we have to game this out. On the table for them is Insurrection Act.

Every single move that Joe Biden has right now is him escalating to unforeseen territory. We are the keepers of the law. We are the adherents of the Constitution. We are the adherents of safety and normalcy.

The conversation with Dr. Carlson and Greg Abbott continues. Please cut one ninety two with state employees, I assume not with National Guard. But can you envision a scenario in which you would put armed state employees on the border instead of the National Guard of Texas? We do have other armed state employees on the border as we speak right this minute. And that's the Texas Department of Public Safety, as well as other law enforcement officers. As well as National Guard from other states. And you can be assured there will be more National Guard from other states and more law enforcement officers within the state of Texas and other states. And Tucker, I just signed a law, a new law in the state of Texas that will go into effect on March the 5th that authorizes any law enforcement officer in the state of Texas to be able to arrest anybody coming across the border illegally. Abbott is talking like a determined guy. He is talking like someone that is seeing a crisis and an invasion.

It's a completely different tone that we've seen out of Abbott recently. Let's play cut one ninety three, please. Of the couple of dozen Republican led states who pledged support for you, how many do you think would send National Guard to Texas? I'll be shocked and disappointed if almost all of them do not send.

There have been about 10 so far that have sent National Guard or other law enforcement. They now are joined together with us. And this is a fight for the future of America. And they all know it.

And so I believe that they will all be in on December. Now, for some people, they don't have the stomach for this. I've been getting messages even from some Republicans saying, I'm getting really nervous of this. Get over that. Long past the time of being nervous.

First of all. One of the benefits we have here. Is Abbott is a very calculated political operator. He has the moral high ground. He is the constitutional high ground. And the White House, they're not really sure what to do right now. They are wargaming this. He has the White House on defense. We win when we're on offense. This is the Trump playbook.

Greg Abbott has played offense here. So right now, you've got to imagine Merrick Garland and Ron Klain and the manager of the border, Kamala Harris. Isn't she in charge of the border, Kamala Harris? Isn't she the CEO of the border?

What a mockery to the republic to have Kamala Harris be the chairwoman of the border, whatever crazy things never visits. I bet they're wargaming this because this is becoming a problem. And they have the lunatics like Robert Francis Rourke and Joaquin Castro.

But you will know it when you see it. But right now, they might be using chat, GPT or artificial intelligence. They are getting ready to figure out what they put into the input for Operation Mockingbird. And do not be surprised that in the next day or two, we start seeing secessionist nullification. We see that from Joy Reid. But what's fascinating to me is we have this massive looming crisis and The New York Times is largely ignoring it. They talk about the border deal.

Why do you think the mainstream media is not emphasizing this as much? Because Abbott is handling this in a calm, cool and collected way. He's being very reasonable. Joe Biden looks like the unreasonable person here.

Let me prove it to you. I'm here at CNN.com. Not a mention of Abbott or the escalation.

I go to every one of these websites. It's under covered. And that's really strange, isn't it? You think that the media would jump and pounce on an opportunity to continue to call us insurrectionist and secessionist and nullification. And by the way, they might turn out that switch in any time.

They might turn on the media at any time. But every single action in front of Joe Biden is escalation. And Joe Biden very well might choose ignoring the border. He very well might choose.

Forget it. Not worth the risk in an election year is the optics that Joe Biden wants to go cut the razor wire. We haven't seen it yet.

We haven't seen it yet. So Joe Biden is probably calling Abbott and he's saying, hey, pal, you have till midnight to back off. And Greg Abbott should say, but what are you going to do, man?

You're going to arrest the sitting governor. And amazingly, amazingly, shockingly, I fully acknowledge this. Back in the beginning of the week, I said Greg Abbott doesn't have what it takes. I mean, he's he is flirting with the line to taunt Merrick Garland to send an indictment against him.

And I'm not exaggerating. And God bless him for flirting with that line, because it is long overdue that we have some courage. Now, the twenty five states outside of this moron, Phil Scott from Vermont, who didn't send in any nationally is the only Republican, I think, not to send it in. We have twenty five governors. We need this last Republican governor for a majority of the states. That's a great talking point. And the phone number, by the way, 802-828-3333.

Please be polite. Call this governor, the governor of Vermont, because that would then give us 26 states. That would make the majority of the states have sent National Guard states. I think it's very important to be able to say that. And the brilliance of Greg Abbott calling in the support is that Joe Biden sees that this is this is bigger than Texas.

The connective tissue of this issue is twenty five, twenty six states. That's a big deal. And winning the narrative on something we've never been to.

And, you know, I will respond to one of these emails here. Paul from Hawaii says, Charlie, I'm with you with Abbott, but this whole thing makes me a little nervous. The fact you're nervous means we're finally getting somewhere, means we're finally drifting out into the waters of high stakes, uncharted territory.

It means we're finally sticking out our necks for the republic. So being nervous is totally OK. Being anxious is OK. What's not OK is staying in your place of comfort while we get invaded by the third world and fentanyl and drugs and sex slaves are coming into America. We sit idly by and just wait for it to be solved. The easy way out is to say, well, the open border is hurting Joe Biden. We might as well do nothing. And by the way, that's what Gavin Newsom is accusing us of.

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It makes you look at the world differently than you otherwise would. So, for example, I said this, that because of DEI and the massive hiring push and what we know about affirmative action, and affirmative action means that you lower the standards, you lower the standards to try to meet your goal. What this what this does is it arouses unhealthy suspicions in our fellow citizens. Now, that was actually even in the tape and people did not acknowledge it. In fact, the low IQ chattering class and some on the right said, Charlie's a racist and Charlie's a racist and Charlie's a racist, even though in the clip I say, this is not who I am.

It's not even what I believe. What I'm getting at, though, is when you are reminded on a daily basis that United Airlines or the FAA are prioritizing skin color over excellence, they're prioritizing diversity over merit, you then say, and by the way, what is incredible is that people are they don't even look at the actual clip. I said, I'm sorry if I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. I never said inherently that he isn't qualified. I said, I hope he's qualified.

Of course, people of any background or color can become qualified. Of course, that's not the point. No one listened to what I said. Instead, they wanted me to bend the knee to the idol of anti-racism.

We refused to do that. And let me be very clear. I said this in the clip. I never had the suspicion before. DEI is poisoning thinking. It's poisoning who we are. It makes us a nastier version of ourselves. So here I am being vulnerable and transparent with the audience.

Play cut 81. And that's why I think this United story in the story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now. I mean, like, you want to go thought crime? Like, I'm sorry.

If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. Well, that's the you wouldn't have done that. You wouldn't have. You wouldn't have done that.

That's not an immediate. No, you wouldn't have done who I am. That's not what I believe is the reality. The left has created not who I am, not what I believe. But the world loses its mind because you say the thing that obviously is presented in front of you. I don't like thinking that way.

Makes me feel dirty. But that's what D.E.I. does, is it makes you view the world through a hyper racialized lens. It makes you view the world in an in a perpetually suspicious way. And the point I was going to make that I'll make now is D.E.I. just makes a worse life, makes us think things that we otherwise never would have thought. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk Dotcom. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.