Why Does the Left Think A Pilot's Color Matters?

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Really great guest here. So over the last 24 hours, a lot of things have been going viral, including a clip that I was in from last week where I said that we should prioritize excellence, not diversity, when it comes to air travel. That DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, should mean nothing when it comes to safe trips at 35,000 feet. It has now been viewed 7 million times, and I can go even deeper in that, and I will as the time presents, but I want to get to our guest in just a second here because what DEI does, especially when you talk about the United Airline hiring quota, is that you are forcing criteria that is irrelevant. United Airlines is bragging that 50% of their new pilots, 50% of their new pilots, will be black.

Now there are a lot of questions that arise from this. This means that if you have a qualified and extraordinarily black or women or female, if you have an extraordinarily qualified white pilot and a not so qualified or someone didn't do as well on their test black pilot or female pilot, who do you choose, United Airlines? If Harvard University is any example, it shows that in order to reach abstract diversity, equity, inclusion affirmative action goals, you end up having to lower the standard to reach that goal. This is United Airlines that triggered this entire conversation, play cut 116. How is diversity and diversity targets working into the ABA Academy? We have committed that 50% of the classes will be women or people of color. Today, only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color. By the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country. White males don't just dominate in the cockpits.

Also, in the C-suite at United Airlines. Well, look, at United, I'm proud of the diversity that we actually have in our C-suite. I think if you look around corporate America, one of the things we do is for every job when we're doing an interview, we require women and people of color to be involved in the interview process. As if it's just the standard thing, that we are now going to actively discriminate based on race or sex, for what reason? What is the problem you're trying to solve? Joining us now is Kyle Bailey, former FAA Safety Team representative. Kyle, thank you for taking the time today.

What is your reaction? What does the pursuit of diversity have to do with safe air travel? Safe air travel is basically just your experience, your training, and really even the type of person that you are. Experience is the key, the number of flight hours, and the quality of the training also is the key here.

To basically say that because of your race, your skin color, whether you're a male or female, whether you're a minority, it doesn't cut it. As I said, it doesn't cut it as far as being in the left seat or the right seat of an airliner. You want to have that experience, you need that experience. The FAA mandates 1,500 flight hours for the typical person coming into the right seat of an airliner. Those 1,500 flight hours are very hard to get, especially if you're in an inner city because you're paying hundreds of dollars of flight hours to get this training, and it's a lot of money. Quite frankly, minorities in inner cities don't have tens of thousands of dollars to throw away on flight training. The question is, how do they get to those standards, or how does an airline get them to those 1,500-hour standards to be a very competent pilot?

To answer your question, I mean, experience is the key, end of story. If it's anything less, safety of these airliners is no doubt going to be in jeopardy. Are you concerned that airline safety might be in jeopardy because of this hyper-aggressive hiring push for diversity?

Eventually it will. If these programs go forward and people are just pushed through the system, it's also going to have a psychological effect on the qualified candidates who pretty much busted their tail from like 14 or 15 years old. When you go into an average cockpit of your average airliner, if you knocked on that cockpit door and said, hey guys, tell me about your experience, when did you start flying? They typically will say when they were 16, 17 years old.

That's because they have a passion for it. You just don't wake up and say, you know what, I want to be an airline pilot. I see United Airlines is putting a program out there. I want to become an airline pilot now.

Forget everything else I spoke about. It doesn't work that way. You either have the bug or you don't have the bug. And they say when you're very young, if you have a young child, you know if that child has the bug, if an airplane flies over and they look to the sky, you know they have that love and that passion and to become a pilot.

So you can't put that into somebody who does not have that. I would love to say, you know what, we have lots of women, we have lots of African Americans flying airplanes if they have the proper qualifications. If they go through the same interview scrutiny, say as a white male does, it's fine. And I would encourage that if they did.

And I would welcome it. You know, just recently we heard of Miss America. She's a young lady and she's going through all the proper steps. She has her pilot's license. She now is going into the Air Force and she's going through those steps properly to probably one day wanting to become an airline pilot. So that's the type of person and the type of female we want to see become airline pilots where we know they're qualified and we know the passengers will really appreciate the fact that there is a qualified individual in the left seat in that cockpit flying their airplane that they're paying a lot of money to fly on. So Kyle, the American flying standards are very very high and thankfully we've had a track record of millions of flights, praise God, knock on wood, in the last in the last couple decades without a major airliner crash.

And again, I just want to say we hope that continues. Now, we're starting to see a bubbling up of certain issues and problems and there's a lot of close calls. Part of this is, and there's some rumors around this, that from the FAA, specifically Air Traffic Control, ATC, that they're prioritizing diversity as well. Can you talk about just broadly how important it is to be a qualified individual for air traffic control? We focus on the pilots, but air traffic control is a very high pressure difficult task where I think everyone in the audience would agree that excellence and meritocracy should be the most important qualification to be an air traffic controller. That's right, air traffic controllers are pretty much held to the same standards as airline pilots from the psychological and you know physical perspective and even as far as their training goes. A very strict condensed FAA training program where it takes about two years to become an air traffic controller, but you can't become an air traffic controller at 45 or 50 or 55 years old. You have to be, the max age I believe is in the 30s to become an air traffic controller and that's because they want somebody sharp and your mind pretty much goes downhill after a certain age like it or not. So to kind of, there's no doubt in my mind that there's going to be any controllers who have any kind of psychological negative history in their background, but it really does play a key because there it's a very difficult job like the pilot.

They're even actually under more stress because they're basically staring at a computer screen for four or five hours at a time and you know just getting on this diversity thing. I don't want to kind of, I don't want to identify who this person is, but I'm just going to give an example. When I was a kid and when I was going for flight training many years ago there was an air traffic controller who was female and also a minority who really was making a lot of mistakes in the control tower. Pilots were calling the tower, everybody knew it, it pretty much was like a laughing stock within a certain region of the FAA and they tried they tried getting rid of her. They actually got rid of her and then she basically sued, got her job back and to make a long story short they wound up transferring her from a smaller airport with very small airplanes to a major airport just to kind of get her out of the hair of and the environment where she was to pretty much give her like a in other words a fresh start again and that's one of these examples and we see that throughout in government where they just pretty much push people through and it's very hard once you get say like a minority or a female I mean it's very hard to fire you you know in the federal government the same thing even with the yes and even with the white male it's very hard to even fire a white male in the government unless you really screw up you know and I always tell people everybody should have a government job you're pretty much you show up for work every day you're pretty much set for life you have a great pension when you retire but let's face it government isn't like the private sector yes if this happened in the private sector you'd be booted you know in in a matter of hours. Kyle thank you for this and excellent I'd love to have you back on soon you didn't really put me at ease I'll be honest with that story we need to demand excellence and I think I speak for our audience next time you're at 35,000 feet I hope that the pilot is qualified and knows what they're doing not just there because they fit some sort of abstract criteria thank you Kyle.

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Let's dive into this a little bit deeper so currently 19 percent of United Airlines pilot corps is minority or female they openly state that they will ensure the next pilot class is half female minority so here's just a few questions that United Airlines should have to answer are there enough candidates to fill the 50 quota why are 81 percent of the pilots white currently it's because they happen to be the best pilots is it possible white men tend to be more attracted to the flying profession if white men land planes safely what is the problem seriously what problem are you trying to solve here why are you trying to force a hiring class when there is no noticeable problem except you don't like the melanin content in the skin of the people in the cockpit if hiring is based on merit why aren't there more minority or female pilots why should I be upset why should you be upset or angry that 81 percent of pilots are white men these are decent people they're family men a lot of them are veterans and we've all had our lives in their hands and they've done a pretty darn good job honestly a lot of them have and so we're supposed to just blame whitey because 81 percent of the pilots are white how many times have we bored an airplane a little anxious a little nervous it's a thunderstorm and 81 percent of the time there's a white man up there and I could say this to somebody who has flown millions of miles 3 200 days on the road I have traveled the world million mile club on united and multiple millions on american airlines yes at times there's a lot of complaints of the airlines but the pilots have been excellent so what is the problem we're trying to fix here exactly we're trying to just worship the cult of diversity but it gets worse than that why are more nurses and teachers female is it because society is anti-male or is it because women are drawn to this profession in greater proportion than men every analysis we have of similar quota-based affirmative action programs results in lowering of standards in order to meet these goals this is important for example if you looked at the harvard admission standards they had to lower very quietly their standards 20 to 30 percent for test scores for black students versus asian and white counterparts the question that united airlines has to answer and they won't will united airlines lower the criteria for new pilot hires to meet their goals like harvard did before they got caught we've largely also been a victim of our own success praise god in the last 25 years we haven't had a major airline crash that is rare airplane crashes happen frequently in pakistan india and the third world we assume landing and flying planes is brainless easy work it's not it's high stakes it's difficult it's intense it's a calling for someone to become a pilot you have to love it of course there are qualified black and female pilots and what i said what i said on thought crime and i will repeat what i said i never challenged that but what dei does is it introduces poisonous toxic lines of thinking the point i was making is this is it's condescending to qualified blacks it's condescending to qualified females what it does then is it forces questions that otherwise would not exist in a pure merit-based system for example if united airlines ceo said we have the best pilots if they're black if they're women if they're asian if they're indian we have the best pilots period i would never have this thought that i said on our show i said that i said on our show i said because of dei it begs the question when you see a black pilot you wonder you say i hope they are qualified i wouldn't think that if the ceo of united or these airlines would reject dei and say excellence is the ultimate standard and finally here is the question that united must answer united airlines if you have a very very qualified white pilot and two somewhat qualified black pilots and your hiring class is at 49 and if you hire the two somewhat qualified black pilots you reach your goal of 50 but the the amazing top gun square jaw tom cruise guy would keep you at 49 who do you hire united who do you hire that is a real question when you put diversity first it means that you would not put ability first i think we know the answer to that question the solution is get rid of all dei the solution is get rid of all dei in every form or fashion and the reason why we all get so worked up about the pilot example and with the surgeon example is that there's not a lot of room for error if there's diversity equity inclusion in the luggage department that's frustrating if they lose your piece of luggage and they send it to honolulu and you were going to new york but if there's diversity equity inclusion in the cockpit and otherwise qualified applicants were not hired because they don't look the right way that is repulsive and the decline of civilization as we know it christmas is here everybody and that means that you might have to be moving boxes 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Chip, welcome to the program. Chip, you and I had some fun text message over the weekend but we won't get we won't get into that I have a lot of respect for you chip chip walk us through the Supreme Court decision and your now viral remarks where you say it's time for Texas to ignore the court and secure the border you have the floor chip Roy hey Charlie great to be on as always and like I always enjoy our Texas changes and you're always thoughtful about stuff even when we disagree and look I'll tell you exactly what's going on I am in Bracketville Texas right now I'm about to have a meeting with landowners and a bunch of the leadership and local law enforcement and folks that are leading in South Texas to get an update of what they're facing I'm not yet sure if I'm gonna get the eagle pass I may I'm talking to some of the guys down there but the bottom line is it is long past time for Texas to just go ahead and tell the federal government no I mean if the federal government is not going to do their job if they're going to expose the people of Texas to danger fentanyl poisoning the empowerment of cartels terrorists coming across our borders criminals coming across our borders our rangers you know fences getting out their livestock getting out and there's no end in sight 10,000 a month it is absolutely absurd the numbers of gotaways are extraordinary we're bearing the brunt of it and now the Supreme Court comes in and says and by the way five board decision with with obviously John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett siding with the leftists and they say no sorry even though the Constitution says it's the federal government's job to take care of the border and even though the Constitution says states can repel invasion if the federal government fails to do it they say no sorry Texas too bad you can't do that and we're gonna allow the border patrol to get in there and cut razor wire now that was one decision as you know you're a smart guy this still has to go back to the Fifth Circuit there's more to come but the state is right to proceed at the end of the day their job is to secure this state and protect its people and if the federal government is failing they've got to do it yeah so so Chip can you walk us through what that what the implications of that is the and we don't say that lightly you and I love the law we respect our system of checks and balances in fact we believe that this is actually the restoration of the rule of law us suggesting this but this is certainly this is yeah this is not a small move that you're recommending here please continue yeah no charlie this is exactly right i had a friend of mine from law school that i respect a great deal who pinged me and said now hold on a second i mean i'm with you we should secure the border but you know this venturing down the direction of nullification and those kinds of concepts and you know this individual raised the question so well hold on a second you think the Heller opinion is good you think there's an individual right to bear arms to and use those arms to protect yourself what if a state said well in order to protect our citizenry we're going to ignore that court opinion we do not believe it's an individual right we believe it's a collective right therefore we're not going to respect it and we're going to you know take guns away or whatever all right reasonable question right you get it charlie like it's an academic question when you sit around and debate the response i give is the constitution contemplated a federal government of limited enumerated powers and specifically said the federal government is supposed to manage those issues but did in fact reserve the ability and the right of governors and states to protect their own citizenry in the absence of the protection of the federal government it's very specific in addition just conceptually okay if you're at your house and it's being invaded and the supreme court ruled yesterday you may not use a weapon to defend yourself and your family you must retreat and flee you cannot do it i'm here to say i would do it anyway my point is at some point you have to recognize what our job is in reflecting our god-given rights which the constitution the bill of rights does a form of government that is decidedly built around empowering people and states and localities not the federal government to interfere and we've got to be able to hold the line i say this respectfully i say it with the fear of what i'm saying i do not want to live in a post-constitutional world but this court is pushing our hands and the court needs to know that because john roberts likes to go around to the cocktail set and say hey i came up with a tax idea instead of a mandate idea to save obamacare i want them to feel the pressure because if they're political animals they need to know it we were out there defending amy coney barrett when her house was being protested and we said that the law should be enforced to protect her where is she when the people of texas need to be protected totally mia that is exactly right and so this this is heavy stuff and i'll be honest chip i was a little bit surprised that the governor of abbott just continued forward he that that is uncharacteristic based on what i've seen from him previously he's a lawyerly guy he's very by the book that's not a by the book thing i completely support it i applaud it and can you help me understand that chip is he banking on a decisive fifth circuit is he signaling that the crisis is at such a fever pitch that since texas was once a sovereign nation and can repel invasion that texas is going to take care of itself even if the federal government says it can't i do not want to speak for governor abbott um you know we don't always agree but we agree a lot on the basic um operations of government and what we should do and shouldn't do um he is very careful i i say that respectfully but also sometimes critically um i i believe that he is reaching the judgment that look you got to reach a sober judgment right you know when when we want to say that we want our law enforcement in texas to do the job of border patrol and go grab an illegal and remove that illegal and take them across into mexico all right i say that i believe it governor abbott's well if he has to process that as the chief executive he's the one that has to say to a dps trooper you're going to do this but you may get sued you may get sued under federal law under you know 1983 or whatever for a civil rights violation you may get prosecuted by the federal government and then i'm left having to figure out how to defend that that is a heavy burden so i want to be very clear you're very thoughtful about this kind of thing we have to view this soberly about what we're talking about i want to preserve and protect the republican form of government that our country is built upon and i want a strong america standing in front of the american flag but my first duty as an elected official is yes to the constitution but my first duty is to make sure that i'm protecting and and uh following my job to make sure our people are protected and secure and safe that's what leaders of a state of a sovereign entity have to be concerned about and so that's what we're up against so to answer your question governor abbott sees what you see what i see he sees terrorists he sees criminals he sees fennel and he sees a federal government not just failing but purposefully refusing to carry out their duty to secure the border of the united states so i believe he's looking at that i can't predict what he's saying about the fifth circuit but that's that's the truth you just riff on this because the the evil marxist left and i don't use those words lightly it seems as if they found this loophole and the loophole is that as long as we control the cabinet agencies we get to choose what laws we enforce and how enthusiastically we enforce them and it's almost a way to subvert and bypass it's a loophole of our constitutional system and order and then you guys do a good job i mean you bring mayorkas and i wish you would impeach him but we'll get to that in a second you bring him in front and then he just lies and he says oh no we're enforcing the law and you know basically what are you going to do about it he's almost taunting you chip and you know it because they want the border open and the way that they think they can do it is through controlling these cabinet secretaries and agencies and just so everyone's at home if you haven't been following this we did a whole show on it the biden administration sued texas so that they could keep the border open that was what the lawsuit was all about saying how dare you texas get in our way to interfere with our open border agenda that is what the lawsuit was all about and to cut fences and so let's just talk about this for a second here chip i think it's very very important which is the cabinet secretaries they have found a workaround of the framer designed and framer intended checks and balances where you have these cabinet secretaries that do whatever they want yeah i mean this this is actually a fundamentally important problem right it's not just my orcas right we had the supreme but the irony here right the supreme court said you can't do what you're doing with respect to student loans yet they're doing it anyway right there they are purposely ignoring the law on multiple areas under the the various cabinet secretaries department of justice and what they were doing right they they were they were obstructing justice with respect to hunter bivy they were purposely using laws to target pro-lifers right but under the face act they are they are making a mockery of the law they're abusing the law to carry out their leftist ends and in this case leave our border wide open and as you pointed out my orcas he's doing it on purpose and he lied to us under oath famously looking at me sitting in the judiciary committee when i put the text of the law right in front of him he boldly brashly said yes we have operational control and i said are you sure this statute right here yes we have operational control then he went to another committee and said well no i mean not under that meaning of the definition but that meaning was literally the statute i put right in front of him he knows what games he's playing it's purposeful and charlie you and i know why there are 50 million foreign-born people in this country they have something like 20 million children born to them this is the highest percentage in our history even the late 19th century right in the great immigration boom then this is higher at a time when we're not teaching our kids about western civilization we're not teaching our kids our country is great we're not teaching our kids about the constitution we're not teaching our kids about it we're not praying in school you cannot have a country when you import the world and you no longer have a value set that you are having people assimilate to and that's what this is about it's purposeful it's purposeful for redistricting in the house and that's what we're up against very good chip i know that you are uh right you're handling the border issue right now this is some heavy stuff everybody and if the biden regime continues to defy the law then the moral answer is that the states and the citizens must do it it's a 10th amendment answer chip thank you so much hold the line we have your back thanks so much thanks charlie i'll go see these great texans i'll talk to you soon god bless yeah tell them i say hi and hold the line we have their back help help is on the way all right i want to tell you about her zog her zog foundation is amazing i want you guys to check it out right now we've been talking about how our nation's public schools have been captured by progressive ideologues teaching things that directly contradict the values of millions of american families for those of you worried about the best 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naperville illinois great schools state champions in football almost every other year they got naperville north they got niqua valley really good schools out there it was a money magazine top 50 suburb it's supposed to be the picturesque shabert's chicago suburb american dream in naperville and a lot of my family is from that area and not too far from naperville beautiful spot the illegal crisis is so bad you now have members of the naperville city council saying hey can we get a sign-up sheet so that illegals can't have a place to go can we have a sign-up sheet now i'm i've multiple takes on this first of all i'll be curious who actually signs up i will be i will be curious how many white liberals will allow third-worlders into their mansions in naperville i mean that non-sarcastically listen to this cut 118 oh you know before we go down the road of you know doing what you know following suit on some of these other cities are taking action on let's find out who's willing to help you know so you know we do hear from constituents on both sides of this what are we going to do to preemptively stop this and then we hear from people that tell us we should do more you know we do have a very affluent community a lot of big homes and what i'd like to do is direct staff to create a sign-up sheet you know for individuals that would be willing to house migrant families and if there's people that would do that god bless them so if we could raise awareness in that way um i think we need to find out i think we need to find out who would be willing to house migrant families now some people are attacking this guy for even suggesting it i'm a little more neutral on it in some ways he's kind of calling the bluff of the political sentiment of naperville and he's also just saying look i actually i don't hate what he's saying obviously it's a big crisis and he didn't even say we're going to force it if people want to sign up he's kind of saying the right thing and i don't know if he's a liberal or a conservative and his tone was actually great and we should have a heart for all people we should have compassion in some ways i actually think this would red pill a lot of people of fighting age males you get this 19 year old from uzbekistan he just shows up and you're like yeah here's khalid i thought i was oh i thought i was getting like a migrant family i know it's a 19 year old from uzbekistan we have no idea who he is what and so i i don't hate that clip it does show i'll be curious because a lot of the naperville residents are up in arms over this they're furious that this city council member would even suggest this naperville has become a democrat stronghold it used to be a republican stronghold it's now a democrat stronghold most of the left so but what is it that you got guys find so offensive about it and that's why i don't hate what the city council some people on the writer attack and the city council person how dare you even suggest it he said no we could have a sign-up sheet he said we've been at we have an affluent neighborhood now i don't know if this is what the city council member intended but in some way he's kind of calling the bluff it's easy to sit in your 6 000 square foot home in naperville vote democrat give money to blm and support open borders and the and the you have a city council guy that says well we have a sign-up sheet you say that's insane well why wouldn't you take them and i thought they're dreamers i thought they're wonderful i'm sure you guys have a spare bedroom maybe the 19 year old from mexico can get to know your daughter since diversity is our strength does that would that not make you feel safe having the 20 year old guy from nicaragua get to know your 16 year old daughter if what i just said bothers you then i'm proving the point so you're perfectly fine with them invading texas and invading arizona and invading the rest of the country but if you get up in arms that a city council member rather soberly and i got to be in a neutral way says hey can we have a sign-up sheet and people are furious how dare you solve this problem for me don't bring them into my home and even says god bless you if you want to do it so i'm gonna i i loved his tone i thought he was actually excellent in the way he did it i'm gonna be keeping a close eye on this in naperville how many people actually end up signing up who knows will people be safe signing up bringing in these unchecked unvetted people we don't know their backgrounds they know that our public health history we shall see thanks so much for listening everybody email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com thanks so much for listening god bless for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com