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Family of Missing Israeli Speaks with Elad Levy and Dr. Sebastian Gorka

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Family of Missing Israeli Speaks with Elad Levy and Dr. Sebastian Gorka

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October 12, 2023 7:09 pm

What is life like for the family members of those killed or kidnapped after Hamas's deadly attack? Charlie gets a harrowing account from Elad Levy, whose 19-year-old niece has been missing since Saturday and may currently be a captive in Gaza. Plus, Dr. Sebastian Gorka joins to say what he thinks is necessary to "finish the job" in the Middle East for good.

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A man whose niece is missing. We talk about that and Sebastian Gorka explains what he means by finish the job. Email us freedom at Subscribe to our podcast and make sure you buy weapons for the global day of jihad.

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Sure, thanks. First, Charlie, thank you for having us and letting us share our story. I think, you know, if we'll start, I'll just tell you, you know, Ronnie, like you said, a 19-year-old teenager is missing since Saturday. I think it's almost six days now. Last time we heard from her was on Saturday around 9.30, we didn't really hear. Her mother just got a text, very plain, very brief, said, hey, mom, I'm okay, I'm busy and I love you.

So that was the last time. Since then, we never heard from her. So do you have any information or do you speculate that potentially that she has been kidnapped by these terrorists? We don't have any from the latest information that I can, that we are, and again, it's all estimates because we don't know exactly what happened, that she was after the 9.30, she was in the communication room and which was a secured room.

So the Hamas militants, not even militants, I'm sorry, terrorists, tried to get in, they couldn't get there. So after a while, they decided just to burn it. There were eight or nine females and teenagers like Ronnie in this secure room, which they decided to just burn them alive. And we know that after an hour or so, so it could be around 11, maybe 12, one of the soldiers there basically crushed the window and started to take all these teenagers out and he was able to escape with two others and they actually survived. A few of the females are found dead, confirmed dead, and a few are missing like Ronnie. You know, we're not speculating, but I think that realistically, when you're looking at all the options that are, and as the day goes by, you know, some options are eliminated.

We only have bad options when we look forward. So Elad, to the best that you're able, can you tell our national audience here in the States what it is like in Israel right now? The obviously somber and heavy, but no one's lived through anything like this. The best you can, fill us in and what are you hearing? What are people saying on this most deadly day of Jewish death since the Holocaust?

Absolutely, you described it perfectly. Nothing like that we've seen since the Holocaust. And I think for the Americans need to understand the scale of it. What we're talking here, just in terms of the magnitude, I'll get into the, I would say, savageness later. The magnitude is like 30 times 9-11.

So if you can imagine 9-11 happens in 30 cities, not just in New York, in Chicago, in Milwaukee, in Kansas, in Austin, in Dallas, that's the equivalent. That's what we experienced on Saturday. That's what we're facing.

I heard yesterday, one of my best friends from high school was found and confirmed them yesterday. I can personally, I can't even cry for him because I'm dealing with my own personal situation. So we can't even grieve on our friends normally.

And on top of that, you know, Charlie is just the brutality and the savageness. Because what we've seen on Saturday is a genocide. Nothing less. There's no genocide. Hamas terrorists came out with one purpose and one purpose only. To kill and slaughter Jews. To kill, slaughter, and massacre civilians. The savagery is hard to even comprehend. And, you know, I love Israel.

I visited multiple times. And it feels like the country is always on alert. But even for a country that is on alert, that is aware, this is hard for people to even process and to believe. And so, Alad, the best ability, can you just describe some of the logistics that you know? Because our American audience is a little confused about how long the terrorists were actually in Israel. Please explain that the best you can.

Sure. What the terrorists did, they broke in, they first broke into the military camps. Actually, it's not first, but at the same time. And they cut off all the communication centers, like I said, they cut off all the electronics and so basically everybody was fine. And then they went to, I would say, these military posts. And then they went to roughly 10 or 15 civilian villages, a small town. And in particular, also, they targeted the music festival that was nearby, maybe four kilometers from Gaza. And in each place, they gathered in this, you know, with the ISIS pickup trucks.

In some places, there's, you know, 10 or 20 or 30 of them. And basically went systematically, systematically, you know, I'm saying it's a genocide. They went systematically house to house, wiping them out, places that they couldn't open the safe rooms and secure rooms.

They burned the houses with people alive in it. That happened, that started in some places around 6.30 to 7am. And until the military came and route them out, it was around late afternoon.

The response was, again, because of the communication, because everything went down, I took his time. I know there are a few Apache helicopters at around, you know, couple of hours, but they were fighting the mass was so, the number was so huge that they couldn't do them. They couldn't kill them all. I just, it's hard to even wrap our head around that.

So, in closing, Alad, how can Americans help? And what have you heard, if anything, from the Israeli government regarding the status or any information around Rani? So, around Rani, we didn't get any new information formally. I think most of the information that we got is from people that we spoke. So, and I don't know if there's any information. Also, I think, look, the military is focused on wiping out Hamas now.

And we, we definitely encourage that. I think there is 100% in Israel about wiping out Hamas. So, there is no new information. And I don't know if we can, we'll get in the next few days, weeks or months.

So, we're really up in the air with respect to Rani. And I think one other thing that we really ask from the American people these days, and we really need your support unconditionally, unequivocally, today, tomorrow, next week, next month, six months, a year. And I know the political situation in the US, and I don't want to get to that.

It's not none of my business. And what we're really hoping for is the support of Israel beyond any, you know, parties conflict and American politics. We just want everybody to stand behind us. We really need your support, really appreciate the support of the US government these days, about the US military and the US Navy. So, we really need your support. God bless you, Alad.

And you have it here from us. God bless you. And we're praying for you and your family.

Thank you, Charlie. Just one last note, but just make no mistake. We are resilient. We're determined. You know, the Jewish people rose from the ashes eight years ago. We will rise from this and we'll come stronger.

I know you will. That I know. It takes a lot more than that to keep down the Jewish people. Thank you very much. That is correct. Alad, God bless you. Thank you. Baruch Hashem.

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They're an excellent college, America's greatest college, Charlie for Hillsdale dot com. OK, I've been used the term a lot. You might not know a kibbutz is a communal settlement in Israel. It's actually the closest thing to functioning communism that you'll ever see. Believe it or not, it's not that extreme, but it's a lot of sharing. It's a Jewish settlement usually where people there is very little private property. And you studied the Torah and you practice typically Orthodox Judaism. That's where the Muslims targeted as we have seen this recent development of the closest thing to the Holocaust. Anybody but any of us have lived through. There are some unbelievably heroic stories that are coming up. I want to isolate, too.

And I also just want to piggyback on something that a lad had and I want to apply again. I keep on applying it to America because I'm an America first guy. I always put the country first. And I think there are lessons you could always learn. And he said something I think that was incredibly powerful. And he said, we're a very resilient people. It takes a lot more than this to keep us down. Let's have that attitude, too, as American conservatives. I think that's a very important attitude that we will rise again. We might not get what we want, but we will rise again. Organize and we will not give up and we will not surrender. But that was very, very well said. Okay, I want to tell you about this one story here.

As I mentioned, the government was not there to protect. In one kibbutz, which is a communal, again, Jewish religious community, there was a 25-year-old, 25 years old, a young lady. By the way, the young women of Israel put the young women of America to shame.

My goodness. The young women of Israel are honestly tougher than most American men. I mean, these ladies could fight. Tell you what, you do not want to get in the way. This is totally different.

You have no idea. How many 25-year-old women in America could do this? Put a picture up here. This young woman, God bless her, 25-year-old, Inbar Lieberman. She's a security coordinator at a kibbutz.

Near Amr. She started to see the black smoke. She saw the Muslims coming. She went into the armory for the kibbutz. Praise God, they had an armory. And her response saved countless lives.

This is right on the border of Gaza. She started to distribute guns to 12 people and coordinated a response to the savage animals that were killing in the name of Islam. Placed them in strategic positions to save the kibbutz, which started a four-hour firefight.

A four-hour firefight. This 25-year-old woman starts opening fire. This 25-year-old woman killed five terrorists.

Put that picture up there. She killed five terrorists. She's a young woman, while others in the kibbutz gunned down 20 more over four hours. A nearby kibbutz, five miles away, everybody died. This kibbutz had limited casualties because of her.

She stepped up. You don't understand what a four-hour gunfight does to you? A 10-minute gunfight is exhausting. I've never been in a gunfight, but just firing a weapon for 10 minutes. Her kibbutz was left largely untouched because of guns.

Do all the kibbutzes have armories? I have no idea. We'll find out, I'm sure. But this young lady was courageous. You want to fight evil? Be courageous.

Psalm 97, 10, if you love God, you hate evil. And this young woman, Inbar Lieberman, should get whatever Medal of Honor equivalent that Israel has to give. I don't care. Give her a medal. At the most kibbutzes, they understandably locked themselves inside and they were burned to death. Inbar Lieberman, who based on that picture, you would think that she's just a typical 25-year-old going to get her nails done.

Nope. She's tougher than most American men. Tougher than most Americans. This kibbutz took the fight to the terrorists, killed the animals, and saved Jewish lives. God bless you.

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So go to right now. Okay, joining us now is a friend of mine, Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Great American. Dr. Gorka, it's hard to even put into words. I'll be honest, Dr. Gorka, we haven't talked or chatted or texted, but when I first heard the news, you know, on Saturday, my initial reaction was, okay, I've seen it before. Rockets flying, a couple dozen dead.

You know, like, I kind of programmed, you know what I mean? And I mean, not diminishing any death, but all of a sudden, this is completely different. We've never seen anything like it.

This is not, there's no precedent unless you live through the Holocaust. Dr. Gorka, tell us, as you first saw the news, your reaction, please. Well, I was shocked. I've made a career of counterterrorism for decades now, but everyone, every human being, everyone who believes in life is horrified. The images we've seen already just today of the charred remains of an infant, the reports of decapitation, the women being pulled out of SUVs, bleeding from their nether regions as the terrorists are shouting Allahu Akbar.

There's only one religion in the world whose adherents say God is great as they're raping and killing unarmed women. It was a shock to me as well, despite my background in military intelligence and the fact that I used to watch the unedited videos of what ISIS did to their captors when I was training the US military. But this is on a scale people need to understand when they say nothing like this has happened to the people of Israel since the Holocaust, and this is bigger than 9-11.

Those are just empirical statements of fact. If you look at a nation that has a population of 9 million, more than 1,000 killed proportionally is magnitudes larger, orders of magnitudes larger than 9-11. Now our prayers need to be with Israel, we need to help Israel, and they have the right man in charge, Bibi Netanyahu, former soldier whose brother was killed by jihad terrorists. Now that nation needs to finish the job. However, the problem is it's not just Hamas. It involves their backers, Iran, that this regime, the Biden regime, is on the side of. That's how horrific the current situation is with President Trump not at the helm and pro-Iranian anti-Americans running our country. Okay, so I have several thoughts.

I do want to just put a little bit, I want to put aside what you said and have you dive deeper, finish the job. But first, Dr. Gorka, I want you as a counterintelligence guy to educate me or the audience how this was possible. Six hours it takes for the IDF to mobilize. You've been to Israel many times, I think with Salem.

I've been there a couple of times. My life was changed going to Israel. It is a fortified country. So you're an intelligence guy, and I find it very hard to believe. First of all, they released these videos. Hamas was planning this with training. How did Mossad not – it's not as if there's a lot of square mileage in Gaza to do training, okay?

You're talking about a thing the size of Queens. So how did they not know? Why was it that it took so long for the IDF to respond? And Dr. Gorka, are you entertaining the fact that potentially maybe the Netanyahu government was double-crossed from within? Or is this just incompetence? No, I don't believe that there are Israelis in Israel who are working for the other side.

There may have been Iranian plants like we have. The chief of staff of the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Special Operations and Low Intensive Conflict is embroiled right now with the Rob Malley disastrous penetration of the U.S. government under the Biden and Obama administrations. So, yeah, there could have been subversive fifth column elements inside Israel, but not Israelis betraying their own nation.

How did this happen? Look, I served in the British reserve military intelligence. Intelligence is an art. It's not a science. It's not like mathematics.

It requires the human touch to interpret and then prognosticate based upon sometimes information that isn't 100% verified. The idea that they didn't know anything is bogus. You can't plan an operation for two years involving hundreds if not thousands of people and not know anything. The problem was, as my former White House colleague Steve Bannon always says, separating the noise from the signal. They clearly had signals, but they didn't put the pieces together.

And there's two more elements that complicate it. Number one, we haven't seen an attack of this ilk of numerous coordinated attacks across the nation that were synchronized, maybe one, two, or three at the same time, but to have dozens from the air, from the land, this we've never seen before. So maybe Israel was expecting what it was used to, as we say, preparing for the last war and wasn't looking for what the enemy will do next. And lastly, and this is a very complicated issue, for the last nine months, there's been a certain level of internal turmoil in Israel that has really put sand in the cogs, in the gears of state.

The tension, the strikes, the protests because of the Supreme Court's unfettered influence over the administration and the prime minister's office has clearly led to some form of serious distraction, a distraction that has now cost the lives of hundreds, if not potentially thousands of Israelis. Okay, so Dr. Gorka, thank you for that response. And you would know better than I would. I think you can understand where my spidey senses go off, though, Dr. Gorka. It didn't add up, right? It still doesn't. Well, look, when things of this magnitude occur, we're always challenged. How do we grasp this?

And that's fully understandable. Yes, exactly. So, Dr. Gorka, explain to us what you mean by finish the job. Hamas isn't the threat. Hamas is the tool of the real actor. And the real actor is the Iranian regime that, remember, on Friday night in the mosque, talks about the need to destroy the great Satan. And the great Satan isn't Israel. That's the little Satan.

We are the great Satan. Israel will never be safe unless Iran is taken out of the picture or it has its – how shall I put this gently – it is encouraged not to act the way it has acted before. So everybody's looking at the 100,000, 200,000 IDF forces that are moving into Gaza right now.

Yeah, that's important, but that's not really the issue. We need to locate the terrorists and kill them and salt the earth and rescue the hostages. But right now what I'm hoping, and I'm not going to go into any more detail because this is up for the Israelis, Mossad, that has a certain set of skills, should be deploying globally and should be killing agents of Iran everywhere. Just like President Trump took out Soleimani, just like we took up Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi when I was in the White House, the Iranian regime must be made incapable of doing what it does through its proxies and that will be done by taking out its leaders and its key terrorist operatives across the globe. Just like they did with Iraq, just like they did with certain individuals who built the Supergun and the WMD regime for Iraq, Mossad needs to take this fight to the key members of the Iranian regime so they are disincentivized. We don't need a war necessarily between Israel and Iran, but Iran needs to understand that the key players are in the crosshairs of one of the most effective external retribution intelligence services the world has ever seen, if not the very best. So Dr. Gorka, then that introduces the question, what should America do, right? And so Israel will obviously start with Gaza. That's complicated, right? Because you and I both know the international community is about to completely turn, they're going to misrepresent what's happening, they're going to say it's open-air prison, genocide, and Egypt is not even offering a humanitarian corridor.

Why? Because Egypt doesn't want the people of Gaza in their country because they're terrorists, okay? So they don't want their Muslim brethren, right?

To use kind of a pun, the Muslim brotherhood doesn't want the Muslim brother, but anyway, that's a separate issue. So what should America's response then? Because just to be honest, Dr. Gorka, I say no U.S. troops.

You know me, you know where I come from? I'm a war-weary millennial. So how should we respond? They don't need our troops.

So let me tell you the sad thing first. It doesn't really matter right now because this administration is on the side of America's enemies. I mean, everybody needs to understand who's listening to your show, watching your show, we are in the perverse situation where our elite from the chairman of the joint chiefs to the president, to the national security adviser, to Alejandro Mayorkas, the director of Homeland Security, hates America, right?

We are the neocolonialist white supremacists. We are the biggest threat to the world and they hate us. That is why they're in bed with Iran.

That's why Hunter Biden gets a 1.4 billion deal from China, 1.4 billion dollar deal with China. So the idea that what America does will make a positive change is absolutely nugatory. It's not going to happen. We need President Trump if we do our part, God willing, back in the White House. Because remember, we have four years of peace. It was the proudest moment of my time in the White House when I was pulled into the Oval Office with Steve Bannon in front of the rest of the cabinet and the president said, tell these guys why I need to kill the Iran deal. And we did. Steve and I gave our elevator pitch to the secretary of state, to the national security adviser, and then the president killed the deal that was going to give Iran the bomb, the Obama deal.

We were safe for four years. So what we need to do is to rhetorically, spiritually stand next to Israel. Israel will do what has to be done. Sending a battle carrier group into the region is all well and good. We should assist them with intelligence behind the scenes.

We should assist them with targeting information. But Israel needs to do this job for themselves. And let me tell you, as you've been to Israel, I've been here a dozen times, 20 times, Israel will do what needs to be done, Charlie. We just need to stand shoulder to shoulder with them as part of the Judeo-Christian civilization. So Dr. Gorka, when there are historic cataclysmic events, which this, I don't even know what we'll call this, it will end up having a name, something will stick, right?

Maybe it will be called the date that it happened, right? The Yom Kippur War, Six-Day War, things like that, whatever this massacre. When cataclysmic things happen, you can always derive a lesson back to the country. What are the lessons that we as Americans should glean from this satanic display of savagery at the hands of Hamas?

It's all in here. It's in the War for America's Soul. I mean, people ask me, why did I get involved with jihadi studies training the military here in America and the law enforcement intelligence? Because I made this connection as a child of those who suffered under fascism and then as adults under communism. After 9-11, I had this very obvious thought, the scales fell from my eyes, that these are all interrelated. They're all kissing cousins, whether you're a Nazi, a communist, or a jihadi, you're all totalitarians. They worship different things.

They worship the state, they worship an ethnicity, or they worship their distorted theology. This is the bottom line, and we have to understand that evil is real. Let's be clear, the border is open. There's no nation on the world, none, that has an open border except ours. And if you add the 8 million known illegals to the probably plus another 8 that we don't know of, we've got 16 million people that came into this border illegally. If I'm Al-Qaeda, if I'm ISIS, if I'm Hamas, if I'm Hezbollah, of course I'm using that open border to penetrate my operatives into America. If 1% are terrorists, we're talking about an army. And remember, 9-11 was 19 guys.

Here's the lesson for us right now. You are responsible for your safety and your family's safety. I carry a gun wherever I go. I've upped the security for my family since last Saturday. You can't rely upon a regime that hates America and wants to defund the police. The immediate tactical lesson is look after your family because you are on the front line here in America.

That's the big conclusion. So, Dr. Gorka, I've been attacked by the media, by fear mongering. Is it fear mongering? You are a counterintelligence expert where I say that tomorrow they are planning a global day of jihad, that there potentially are sleeper cells tomorrow or next week that could be activated on the American homeland.

In your expert opinion, is that a fair and accurate thing to say? There is a threat assessment from the Richmond JTTF, Joint Terrorism Task Force, that was unclassified four years ago that said there are Hamas, there are Hezbollah sleeper cells in America. That's from the Joint Terrorism Task Force in the state that I live in. That's an unclassified released statement. You're not fear mongering.

You are making people aware. It's like Dan Bongino, my friend, says on a former Secret Service agent, don't let the fear drive your actions because that's what the terrorists want. But be aware and be ready because guess what?

They want to kill you. That's not fear mongering. That's a statement of fact. Read what the terrorists say. Read when Tsarnaev is bleeding out in the boat, the Boston bomber, before they capture him. I was an expert for the Boston bombing trial and I wrote a 30-page report on why he believed what he believed for the jury.

And when he's writing inside the boat, on the boat as he's bleeding out, we look down the barrel of your gun and we see paradise. You can't compete with that, Christians and Jews. That's in Boston. That's a man who put a bomb next to a six-year-old child before he detonated it. So this isn't theoretical.

It's not hyperbolic. It's happened already. Wake up. Wake up, my friends, and realize the war is here and they want to kill us all.

That's the nature of jihad. Dr. Gorka, I'm walking around with a weapon and people that have weapons, security heightened, threat assessments up. Awareness, awareness.

Awareness, situational awareness. They're calling for a global day of jihad. I hope I'm wrong. I hope that our border, I hope all the people coming across the border are poets and musicians and priests. I hope they're all the most wonderful people ever.

But I'm not a moron. Dr. Gorka, thank you so much. Excellent job.

And they all fit a certain demographic, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I notice. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always.

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