An America-First Middle East Policy with Vivek Ramaswamy

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You know he is running for the presidency and he has some exciting ideas about how to fix this country. Vivek, welcome to the program. I want to just dive right into the Israel situation. How should we think about what happened in Israel from America first perspective, not from the traditional neo-conservative perspective, still having the back of our ally in the region?

Vivek, how should we think about this? Yeah, absolutely. I mean the way I think about it, Charlie, is that these were barbaric attacks. They were medieval, inhumane attacks and it was wrong and Israel absolutely has the right to defend its own homeland to the fullest extent necessary. And I think the job of the U.S. as an ally is to support Israel and ally is to support Israel diplomatically. To support Israel with the necessary munitions needed to do that.

We store some of those munitions in Israel. Intelligence sharing against the U.N. which has a habitual response almost always to draw false equivalents between Israel and the terrorists and enemies who target Israel. That's where the U.S. should be leading. But while keeping a clear-headed and cool-headed response that avoids an all-out war, a regional war in the Middle East that enmeshes the U.S. in it, that does not advance U.S. interests.

That is the key and we require I think a cool-headed response, a rational response here, Charlie. This was a catastrophe for Israel and as an ally of Israel, the United States is affected by that too. But we can't make the same mistakes that we have in the face of past catastrophes, say 9-11 or otherwise, in entering prolonged regional conflicts in the Middle East. And so we have to do both of those things at once. Have Israel's back so that they can defend their own homeland while being rational and avoid getting yanked into a broader regional conflict.

And I have some very clear and specific ideas of how to do it. I am disappointed in other Republican presidential candidates like the likes of Nikki Haley who have been hysterically shouting things like finish them that are entirely incoherent, calling this an attack on America. It was a bad attack on Israel, but that is still not an attack on America. That's irresponsible and this is a time for actual America first leadership.

And that's what I would bring to the table. So Vivek, the question then is Iran. How should we think about Iran? Should we reapply sanctions on Iran?

Should we try to cut off the money? Are there more things we could do against Iran? I mean, the Biden administration is just lying when they say that there's no evidence that Iran was behind the Hamas attacks.

That's that's completely and totally false. How should we think about Iran? So Iran is fundamentally hostile to the United States. We have to see that for what it is.

Let's take the latest lie, which I think is absolutely relevant to what happened here. The six billion dollars that were unfroze to Iran. And by the way, more recently, even payments that were sent 10 billion from Iraq to Iran earlier this summer, that strengthens Iran. And it is a lie when we say that those are only reserved for humanitarian purposes.

Just think about it for a second. If you're a country or a company or whatever and you have six billion dollars coming in. Yes, even if that's restricted in its use, that's six billion dollars that you would have spent on humanitarian purposes that you can spend from a different hand supporting terrorist groups like Hamas or Hezbollah.

So that's a lie. And Iran is a problem. I think our top objective with respect to Iran has to be making sure that they completely fully phase out any nuclear capabilities.

The Biden administration has been a disaster. I think that we should absolutely apply the full financial force to make sure that Iran is weakened. But at the same time, Charlie, no one else is talking about this. I think it is boneheaded U.S. policy by the Biden administration with the aiding and abetting of some Republicans to engage in a serious discussion with Saudi Arabia about becoming nuclear equipped in the region as well.

That is crazy. And so I think nuclear nonproliferation throughout those countries, the Arab and Shia countries in the Middle East, I think is a top priority. Iran cannot be nuclear equipped, but we're not helping ourselves when we're having that same discussion about nuclear technology transfer to Saudi Arabia. And I think it is remarkable, Charlie, that I'm the only Republican that actually has the spine to bring up that issue. But that is part and parcel of what a rational U.S. strategy here has to be. And we can't be dancing around eggshells. This is an important time to both support Israel while also be really clear headed about we're at risk of seeing a major all out regional war in the Middle East that does not advance U.S. interests and a true U.S. leader, a true America first leader would avoid that outcome while still standing for our friends in Israel.

That's the way I would lead. So the other candidates, they're increasing the chatter. I, for one, am cheering for Israel to be able to get justice. And, you know, the vague this is not. Can you expand on that? Because this was not just a typical Israel Hamas border dispute.

You know, when I first saw this on the news, I wrongly assumed, OK, probably a couple dozen dead, not diminishing that. Right. But, you know, kind of what we've grown accustomed to over the last decade. Right. Rockets here.

Rockets there. They fight for a couple days and then they come to some sort of settlement. There's now reports of a vague that they were cutting baby's heads off and they were not going from this. This was they were not going for military targets. And I think this is a really important thing we must emphasize, that it would be bad if, OK, they attack a military base. They're at war. They bypassed other military targets to go for civilians. So.

Yes. And I think that it is accurate, Charlie, when people have said I think rightly called this Israel's 9-11. I really do think it was because it was as much a psychological attack on Israel's national right to exist.

That's really what this was. That is heinous. And Israel needs to decide what its response is going to be. That decision belongs to Israel. And it's up to us in the U.S. to respect that decision and to support them as they defend their national self existence, as they rightly have the right to do for their homeland.

And I think it was different. But I think one of the lessons to learn is that we made disastrous responses in this country to our 9-11 in this country. And I don't want to see Israel make those same mistakes. But more importantly, I don't want to see the U.S. make those same mistakes. We went 25 years of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, sacrificing three trillion dollars of taxpayer money, more importantly, thousands upon thousands of innocent American lives.

To what end? The Taliban still in charge in Afghanistan, still a hostile anti-American regime in Iraq, vulnerable to Iranian incursion. So we cannot repeat those same mistakes of the past while still making sure we act with fortitude to allow Israel to defend its own homeland as they deserve to. And that's the kind of clear headed leadership we need. And the reason I'm being vocal about this now, Charlie, is that the rest of the Republican field has lost their minds on this issue. I mean, I haven't heard where Trump is on it, but I'm talking about the other people who are on that debate stage.

I mean, the Nikki Haley's and the Mike Pence's, the Tim Scott's. This is heading in an irresponsible direction. I've even seen Ron DeSantis using a bullhorn, making a George Bush-like 9-11 recreation that I don't think really fell fell anything other than flat.

This is wrong. And I think that we have to be clear headed in our response. No, I mean, Ron DeSantis like grabs a random bullhorn and goes into the street as if he was over the ruins of 9-11. It fell flat.

It was not smart. So I want to keep talking about this because how we respond as Americans is very, very important. And, you know, Lindsey Graham is going out there, I think, rather irresponsibly saying we might have to go have American jets go bomb Iranian refineries.

I think that's insane. Right. And some people. So the Pentagon right now, quote, does not rule out troops on the ground to rescue American citizens in Gaza. Now, I could potentially see an argument for that, but my gut instinct of a 45 seconds is we have I don't trust these people to not have that potentially barrel into a bigger story, the vague. So, look, again, we have to be level headed about our principles. What's our principle? America first.

And part of America first is no American left behind. So I think there is a reasonable discussion, Charlie, to see how we prioritize getting American hostages out of that situation. But that's a separate point from a broader regional conflict in the Middle East. And I think that we should be really clear headed. Whatever our responses, the limiting principle here should be we're not going to see the US enmeshed in some other ground troop conflict in the Middle East with Iran or otherwise. And I think it is beyond insane that we're actively discussing, for example, nuclear technology transfer to Saudi Arabia. The other principle needs to be nuclear nonproliferation across the board.

Iran, Saudi Arabia, full stop while still supporting Israel's ability to defend its own homeland. That's what real leadership means here. Are you prepared for the unthinkable ahead?

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Why? Because when they did this, when they did this surprise attack, when they took these hostages, when they murdered these families, they were celebrating. And what were they celebrating? They were saying death to Israel, death to America. This is not just an attack on Israel.

This is an attack on America because they hate us just as much. And I'll say this to Prime Minister Netanyahu. Finish them. Finish them. Hamas did this. You know Iran's behind it.

Finish them. They should have held the pay for what they've just done. The vague your response. I think that was an irresponsible response from somebody who touts her own foreign policy experience. When I say Nikki Haley does have foreign policy experience and it shows, among other things, in her bank account. That's a separate point for another day. I do not think that somebody who profits from war as a military contractor or otherwise should be able to get anywhere near the White House.

But put that to one side. She's representative of a broader wing of the Republican Party. The Lindsey Graham, John Bolton, Chris Christie, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley wing of the party that is trying to bring back an era, a bygone era for now, of disastrous US Middle Eastern engagement, almost as though they're salivating over the opportunity to go to war again. This was a disastrous attack on Israel. It was the equivalent of Israel's 9-11. It was wrong. It was barbaric.

It was medieval in its nature. We have to help and support Israel to defend itself. But that is different from calling it, as she literally did, an attack on America. That means you don't understand what an attack on America actually is. There are attacks brewing in America. We have porous borders in this country. Violence rampant in cities across this country because of that border crisis. More people do to die in this country this year, 80 times as many that died on 9-11 dying of fentanyl poisoning in this country from what crosses the southern and northern border.

There's no interest in that, though. She's calling this an attack on America. And just in a literal sense, it is irresponsible for somebody running to be our commander in chief to speak that way and then to invoke both Iran and Hamas in the same sentence and then hysterically shout, finish them. That is the kind of warmongering that is dangerous without precision. So put them to one side, Charlie.

Put that wing. It's Nikki Haley, but she's representative of a broader toxic movement in the Republican Party. We need clarity. Stay out of World War III.

Stay out of broader, unmeasured conflict in the Middle East while still enabling Israel to defend itself as it has the right to do with diplomatic support, munitions support where necessary, and also, frankly, intelligence sharing. Another question, Charlie, and this is really important. Everybody else in the existing establishment says this is a question for later. I want to know what the hell went wrong with U.S. and Israeli intelligence and with Israeli defense. When there's an airplane that crashes, they don't let the same airliner that crashed the plane analyze the black box.

That goes to somebody else. We need that answer now. How this was able to happen in an era of what should have been heightened security approaching the 50-year anniversary right around it of the Yom Kippur War of 1973.

How did this happen? And until we get that answer, we're at risk of making some of those same mistakes at an even larger scale as the likes of Nikki Haley beat the drums to war almost rooting for it in the Middle East to say we need a cool-headed, rational level response supporting Israel's ability to defend its own homeland because that's the right thing to do and Israel fully has the right to defend its national self-existence and we stand with them and against anybody else who will argue against that. But at the same time, diplomatically with sanity, avoiding that broader regional U.S. and meshed conflict in the Middle East. We've seen that movie before and we don't want to see it again. I want to explore something with you that I don't think has been covered. Number one, we are told this is it. This is a wrinkle that has not been covered by Steve Schmidt and other people that January 6 was 9-11.

You know what? No, actually what just happened in Israel. That's an incident that should really put some of these domestic security state people in their corner. No, actually, that's what a 9-11 looks like.

OK, it should put things in perspective. But number two, Vivek, we have this massive leviathan, this Federal Bureau of Investigation that has a whole category for MAGA that is spying on conservatives. We have the CIA, international. I am not confident, Vivek, that our government is currently monitoring the sleeper cells that are in this country to potentially prevent an attack on the homeland.

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There is no basis to have that confidence. So Charlie, when I've talked about my plan, for example, to shut down the FBI and I stand by it and people will use this as an occasion to say, oh, no, that's a crazy plan. No, it's actually doing two things at once. First is we're taking aim at the corruption that begins in that rot of the failed Bureau of Investigation. That is the modern J. Edgar Hoover FBI. Still, the J. Edgar Hoover building that people walk into. That's the source of corruption. By the way, the same one that tried to target Martin Luther King with suicide over improperly collected tapes is now targeting conservatives and what they call MAGA extremists as terrorists.

That's wrong. But we have to go also one step further to measure the effectiveness of this. This isn't just a slogan for me.

This is clarity of vision. Thirty five thousand employees at the FBI. Twenty thousand of them are back office bureaucrats. We will send them home to find honest work in the private sector as they should. But fifteen thousand of them, Charlie, are agents on the front lines, good people that are being used poorly. They're not doing as good of a job as the U.S. Marshals on sex trafficking from kids and otherwise or on drug enforcement or on financial crimes.

So we will move them to the U.S. Marshals or to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network or to the Secret Service or otherwise other parts, the DEA that have had far greater specialization. And the FBI we have right now is purposefully asleep at the switch when they have had the same people doing counterterrorism now that were doing financial crimes or fraud before and vice versa.

They completely lack even the competence, let alone the specialization, to get that job done. And so when a guy like me comes in and says, we're going to shut down the FBI, but move the fifteen thousand good people on the front lines, not only is that going to reduce corruption and cost and waste and bureaucracy, it will also increase the effectiveness of being able to actually see the real enemies are anti-Americans in the United States who want to harm the United States, not America loving patriots who happen to be political enemies of the current administration, which is what we see today. So I want to emphasize this. And by the way, let's play cut 60 here. Here's Joe Biden saying the greatest threat is white supremacist right wing extremism.

Let's play cut 60, please. Stand up against the poison of white supremacy as I did my inaugural address to single out as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland is white supremacy. And I'm not saying this because I'm on a black HBCU.

I say wherever I go. I didn't know there were non-black HBCUs, but anyway, let's also play a cut 59 and contrast what Joe Biden says with cut 59 value for over two years. Now border patrol agents have been telling us they've got extreme concerns about who is crossing our Southern border, primarily because so many agents have been pulled off the front lines to instead focus on processing. And that then leaves gaps in our border where we simply have nobody out on patrol. And the numbers are startling. We'll start with a terror watch list numbers fiscal year 2023. So far 151 people on the FBI terror watch list have been arrested by border patrol agents while they were crossing illegally here at our Southern border.

That is the highest number on record. So Vivek connect some dots here. An open border is a direct threat to the homeland. It is not, it is not too far of a grasp to say that there could be hundreds, if not thousands of let's just say Hamas sympathizing sleeper cells here in the homeland.

Vivek Ramaswamy. I don't think it's a stretch at all. I mean, Charlie, I went to the Northern border somewhere where the other candidates haven't really gone, but I think we need to pay attention to it. It is wide open.

I mean, it's, it's the footage that I posted online. There are hiking trails literally at the border patrol office that you could see at the customs and border patrol office. That is a wide open border where you even have a lot of other people who are getting turned away at the Southern border now turning.

So make no mistake. We have a porous, if not outright open borders in the United States of America today, that is a fact. So one of the things that I think we need to do in response to this attack on Israel is wake up and say that if this can happen in Israel with the level of security and intelligence they have over there, it can absolutely happen right here at home. This ought to be our wake up call to protect our own homeland, not just sealing the Southern border and the Northern border with our own military, which obviously is a basic low hanging fruit step we obviously have to take. And that's solvable, but we have to now deal with the problem that we have within the country already. So I think any resident alien who has in any way been affiliated with Hamas or similar jihadist networks in the middle East need to be deported out of this country immediately.

And some of them, if they're affiliated with Hamas, extradited to Israel, where they deserve justice in Israel, in light of what's happened here as well. That's the kind of leadership that we need targeted precise rather than the deflection tool. It's the consistent tool, Charlie, the woke smoke to deflect accountability. That's what you see from the Biden administration. So I'm going to risk sounding insensitive here, but people know where I come from because I'm a very outspoken pro Israel person. But Vivek, what does bother me is that some candidates get more fired up about what happens abroad than here domestically. And yep, I would not lump you into that category nor Donald Trump, but you know that Nikki Haley tape or Mike Pence, there seems to be a decibel level that is reached sometimes for the foreign and not the immediate. And I'm not saying this does not, this does not justify outrage. That's not what I'm saying. That's not my position, but it is strange that some politicians reach the highest fever pitch when things are happening in a different continent.

Why is that? Help me understand. So part of this is just the selective moral outrage even abroad. I mean, look at the persecution of 100, 120,000 Christians in Armenia.

How much do you hear about that either from the mainstream media or mainstream Republican traditional Republican candidates, not a peep. And so let's take the Ukraine conflict and both these around the perimeter of Russia. On one hand, they claim it's good versus evil, which I reject. Ukraine is not in any sense good just because Russia is bad. But then you hear pin drop silence, Charlie, on what Azerbaijan is doing to those Armenians. It's the exact same situation on the same facts, but you don't hear a peep. Now, the reason why they're is both Ukraine and Azerbaijan have very powerful, well-connected, well-funded lobbies in the United States, in Washington DC.

And it's a special interest game. And the same people who are the puppet masters of DC politicians are the puppet masters of candidates like Nikki Haley or Mike Pence or otherwise. It is a broken and corrupt system. But I think the key for us is not to be reactionary against them, as frustrating as that is. Israel is an important, the key important ally of the United States and the Middle East.

What happened there was wrong. We have to call that out for what it is and support Israel to defend its own national identity, but without using that as an excuse to enter broader regional conflict in the Middle East. And it is part of this broader self-loathing. When I don't see anybody else getting on a bullhorn for the 80,000 people that are dying of fentanyl overdoses or the crimes that are committed by people who illegally cross the border, get me the bullhorn for that, rather than the theatrics and the histrionics we see from the rest of the Republican Party, which I think is shameful. And I think the future of the Republican Party ought to be unapologetically America first.

They're making one last charge to try to stop that from happening. That's the real divide in today's Republican Party. But I think we need to bury the neocon philosophy back where it belongs and go back to putting the interests of this country first. Yes, that does include supporting in the correct and focused ways our allies like Israel, but putting this country first without getting drawn into conflicts that do not advance our national interests.

OK, so I completely and totally agree. And I want to go to another layer here, which I think is important and it's related. So, you know, we need to look at solving this long term.

So Vivek, are you in support? President of the United States, your unique problem solver and entrepreneur, two state solution, three state solution. Some people talk about a one state solution, which is, you know, very bold.

How do we macro? Is this solvable or is this just you're going to have to live with it, that you're going to have to live with conflict, you're going to have to live with disputes. You just have to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. And I think that's important, Vivek, because one of my fears is that Israel, in the pursuit of justice, will pursue revenge more than justice. And I do not want to see this turn into a regional war. I do want them to obviously defend themselves and take out Hamas.

But what does success look like in a Ramaswamy administration, geopolitically? How should we think about this? So the right answer for Israel should be determined by Israel.

And I think that's a very important first principle. They have tough decisions to make for themselves. Are they going to take responsibility for Gazans, which historically Israel has been very reluctant to do or not? These are tough decisions that belong to Israel. And it is our job to respect the decisions that Israel makes. But making sure that we don't get accidentally mired with U.S. troops on the ground or otherwise in involvement in a broader regional conflict that does not belong to us.

So those are some basic principles. Israel should pursue Israel first, and we have their back as they do it diplomatically and in terms of intelligence sharing and limited necessary munitions support in this narrow conflict, while it's our job to look after America first principles. Now, as a U.S. leader, if I'm on the phone with Bibi, I would share with him the learnings, the bad learnings that we have in the United States. When we had our 9-11, we made mistakes in response to that. We got mired in Iraq and Afghanistan, three trillion thousands of lives that we now regret.

So good friends share those learnings with each other. But that's going to be Israel's decision to make what it does for its homeland. But the U.S. decision needs to be, we are going to prioritize avoiding a broader regional conflict and war in the Middle East that does not advance U.S. interests. I think Iran, we need to make sure that they have full slate, no nuclear capabilities. But that is also why it is insane for the Biden administration to be engaging in talks with one of the most oil-rich nations in the world, Saudi Arabia, about nuclear technology transfer.

That is beyond insane. And I think that those are the kinds of mistakes that we're actively making as we speak that most in the Republican Party are somehow walking on eggshells and afraid to call out that it will take a true America First leader to actually state out loud to keep us out of a broader Middle Eastern war while standing for our friends in Israel and then apply those principles in places like Russia, Ukraine, negotiate peace there. Another place where we have a President Biden that's sleepwalking us into major conflict that doesn't advance U.S. interests.

Now these become cumulative and we're really depleting our own ability to protect our own homeland, which I'm sorry to say this cynically, Charlie, for some people in the United States might even not only be an accident, it might be the goal itself. And I'm not going to let that happen on my watch. Vivek, plug your website, please. We have one more segment together, but I want to make sure our audience is aware how to support you, how to get behind your grassroots campaign. Sure. It's vivek2024.com, vivek2024.com. We're not holding back.

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This is a classical trait that the Greeks talked about a lot, which is you can't fit everything into a pre-arranged box. What would you say to the audience? Because they'll say, but Charlie, if you say you're pro-Israel, why are you not pro-Ukraine? Vivek, what is your response to that?

Well, my response is a couple fold. Israel is an ally in matters to the US. Taiwan matters for practical reasons to the US in terms of semiconductors in a way that Ukraine just does not. And in the Ukraine conflict, just because Putin is bad does not mean that Ukraine is good. This is a country that has banned 11 opposition parties, consolidated all TV media into one state media arm, celebrated a Nazi in its own ranks, Zelensky did, holding the US hostage for more money over holding its own elections. And by the way, the regions of the Donbas, Luhansk and Donetsk that are occupied now, these are Russian speaking regions where most of the people don't view themselves as part of Ukraine and haven't been represented in the Ukrainian parliament for more than a decade.

And it is pathetic that most people will not have heard of those facts from the mainstream media as it exists today. So we have to reasonably ask in Ukraine, what is a reasonable path to peace? Because this war does not advance American interests.

I've laid out a very clear plan to get there, one that will allow Ukraine to come out with its own sovereignty intact. But it's like what you said, Charlie, it's not about analogizing. It's about analyzing each situation in a rational, cool headed way like that about how we advance American interests. And so it's not some blanket one size fits all for the Neocon group, it's go to war. But it's not like there's an opposite camp where we should make the same mistake of having one blanket solution. We need a commander in chief who can analyze each situation, do it in a rational way without corrupting special interests or influences and say, how do we engage in a way that yes, advances US interests, not just for the short run, but over the long run, sure, but still exclusively advances US interests.

And that's different in Taiwan, from Ukraine, from Azerbaijan to Armenia, to Israel and Hamas. And that's the kind of leadership we haven't had for a long time. I think it's going to take an outsider, Charlie, and if I may say it, an outsider from a different generation to start with a clean blank slate to see it with clear eyes. That's what I see missing in today's GOP. I am disappointed with the other people who have populated and permeated that debate stage with the same old Neocon one size fits all pro-war solutions, shamefully with some of those people like Nikki Haley even set up to make money off of going to war even more.

That's shameful. That's the way of the past. Let this not be the Karl Rove, John Bolton, Nikki Haley, Chris Christie, Mike Pence wing of the party that governs anymore.

We need a future that yes, puts America first, but we're going to do it thoughtfully, not making their mistake of the one size blanket fitting all, but situation by situation asking that question guided by actual facts on the ground, not a one size fits all approach. Vivek, in closing here, I want you just to kind of summarize, you know, all this, and I just want to say, look, Vivek, you running for president, very, very important. Your ideas are changing the party for the better.

You're moving the Overton window. You're introducing different perspectives. And I feel like you're speaking directly to me, Vivek, because I've known nothing but war my entire life, basically, since 2002 and three. You feel the same. And I want our audience to understand the perspective of millennial, you know, late Gen Z. We've known nothing but no-win wars and quagmires. And I think that that opinion needs a seat at the table with the moral clarity you've delivered.

One minute remaining, Vivek, please. I mean, I do have peers who served in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. To what end?

It's frustrating. Years later, they're worse off. But those countries are not any better served with the Taliban still in charge, with a hostile anti-American regime in Iraq. And by the way, it's a generation, Charlie, that's been sold one myth after another, that you go to four-year college degrees, earn that college debt, somehow get a start in the American dream. Many of those same people haven't repaid their college student loan debts. And so I understand why young people, our generation, does not trust the government. It's because the government doesn't trust us back with the truth. And I do think it's going to take a new generation of leadership to speak the truth, to say that, you know what, we made those mistakes.

Nobody in the neocon establishment has come out and said it. I would forgive somebody for doing it, to come back and say, hey, we made those mistakes. We were wrong. We learned from them and we're never going to let that happen again. I have forgiveness in my heart for that. But that's not what we have heard. What we're seeing now is a doubling down to make the same mistakes again.

And that's not going to happen on my watch. Vivek Ramaswamy, I am enthusiastically behind you running for the presidency in the sense of moving the Overton window and representing our generation. God bless you, man. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us your thoughts as always. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

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