Is the American Dream Healthy? with Sean Spicer and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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Buckle up everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

That's why we are here. Brought to you by the loan experts I trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandtodd.com. Joining us now is one of my favorite guests, Turning Point alum, Ana Paulina Luna. Ana, welcome to the program. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you, thank you.

Doing my part to help populate America with conservatives. Yes, very, very good news, and welcome to the club. Tell us about your new book.

It's very fun. So we actually, Andy and I had started out by, it started as an inside joke, but what it is, is it's The Legend of Nadanja. So for those who might not speak Spanish, Nadanja is an orange, and as you can see from the artwork, I'll let you kind of assume who that might be. You can head over to orangebandbook.com to purchase your signed copy. But what I'm going to do is it's about an orange that's competing with a banana, and it's about a race. And unfortunately, Newsweek did not like that we were talking about, as I'm assuming, you can assume Joe Biden as the banana. And so they try to cancel our book, but it's a really fun children's book. And frankly, it teaches a lot of lessons about doing the right thing. All right, well, how do people find it?

And where do they get it? You can go over to orangebandbook.com and get your signed copy, and it will be live for purchase across all platforms on October 25th. Okay, well, check it.

Everybody check that out. Okay, so now let's go to the continuing resolution knife fight. Take as much time as you'd like on.

I know that you've been busy, as you should be welcoming a life into the world. But tell us, what is the latest with this CR fight? And are we going to see the government pause, aka shutdown? Yeah, so actually, I just got off of a call last night with some of my conservative colleagues that are really forcing the Congress to actually legislate, I'd say, since the first time since the 90s. And so really, the architect behind this, and rightfully so, has been Representative Gates.

A lot of people will try to say, oh, Matt's just a bomb throw, but he's not. He's arguably one of the smartest politicians that I've met, especially when it comes to strategy. So the CR and a vote for a CR, this has been my opinion since the beginning, would really do nothing except for continue to fund a weaponized government. And as you saw, Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer want to stick in a whole bunch of Ukraine funding, and send that back over from the Senate to the House. And so what we're doing is we are dragging the conference to really help push those single subject spending bills.

And what we're hearing right now, Charlie, is the group as a whole, meaning Representative Ogles, Matt Gates, Eli Crane, a lot of the other members that you saw publicly come out against this in the last few weeks, we're still a no on the CR. And so it's looking like we're going to be going to a shutdown. But again, just like in January with the negotiations, you know, this has been something that Congress knew this deadline was coming.

It's not something that was a surprise. And so I'd say that the right thing to do is to adhere to the agreement that we had for the single subject spending bills. And, you know, if we continue Charlie to not do this, what will happen is, is we're going to continue to go into debt and we cannot afford that as a country.

So walk us through what is the impediment then? What is the establishment or leadership saying? And, you know, what are the likelihoods that we're going to reach an impasse? I think as of right now, leadership is potentially talking about still wanting to bring a vote to the floor on Friday with a CR. It would have been the Byron Donald's version of the CR minus the Ukraine funding. But again, the group of us are saying we don't want a CR.

That's part of the problem. And Congress should not govern by CRs. We need to go through these spending bills. We need to work with the appropriators and specifically determine what should be funded and what should not be funded. And so I think what's going to happen is pending that we hold out unless leadership cuts a deal with Democrats, I think that we'll, we'll get our single subject spending bills through. But again, there's a lot of negotiations taking place right now. And I really do have to give Representative Gates credit because he's putting his money where his mouth is. He's meeting with leadership. He's continuing to work through this process. And a lot of my colleagues are standing firm in their positions. You know, we're not going to get rolled on this yet. And so talk about border security or Jack Smith.

How are those fights going to kind of play into that? Well, border security absolutely needs to be a part of this entire discussion. As you saw in the initial CR, they had HR2 in there. The one thing that I was sad to see is that they removed E-Verify. But as you're seeing, our southern border is completely being overrun. And so no matter what we do as a Congress, that has to be our number one objective is to ensure that regardless of what the Biden administration is doing, mind you, Charlie, we have laws in place, but the Biden administration is intentionally not enforcing those laws. So we have to keep that in mind when we're negotiating this because even if we have it in there, if we're not using the power of the purse to ensure that this administration is enforcing those policies and those positions and appointed positions are adhering to our laws of the land, then it's not going to do anything. So that's the first thing.

And then the second thing is with Jack Smith and even the DOJ, you saw in the last 24 hours, and I think you had tweeted about it, that a DOJ appointee in Delaware, Leslie Wolf, was actually in charge of really hindering an investigation and leaving out political figure one, who is Joe Biden from a search warrant because of the Hunter Biden corruption case. Her position needs to be on the chopping block too. And so we have to make sure that we are including all of this. And as we continue to move forward, I just want to remind especially conservative voters that we are not trying to do this just to cause chaos. We are doing this to try to save the country.

And I cannot emphasize that enough. And you're seeing with the weaponization, if we don't do this correctly, we will essentially be funding a weaponized government, not just against ourselves, but against a candidate for presidential office, which is President Trump. Yeah, that really is the biggest fight in front of us. Talk about impeachment. Where does that stand and how do you think we should proceed? So as you're seeing today, we kicked off one of the initial hearings for the impeachment inquiry. From the get-go, Charlie, starting from when I saw the FBI show us redacted documentation, the FBI coming up with excuses as to why they couldn't tell us who the whistleblower were, to include the FBI having an informant that was leaking information on the open investigation into Hunter Biden to the Bidens. I have thought that this sitting president, Biden is obviously guilty of public corruption based on the evidence. I still think that we need to move forward and we need to do so aggressively.

However, I'm just going to be real with the listeners. The Senate will likely not pass the impeachment. It's not going to actually move past that. But I think it's important to note that if we can at least get the trial started and we can bring information to the American public, just like what happened with Watergate, the media will inform the public as to what's happening. And I just saw a poll from Axios actually in the last 24 hours and over half of Americans support this. And so that's important because what we're finding is people that typically might not have gotten politically involved or be paying attention. Now they're starting to see, hey, you know, there can't be a double standard. And, you know, they might be independents.

They might be soft leaning Democrats, but they don't agree with public corruption. Yes. So then in your caucus, do you think we'll be able to get with Republicans a House vote on impeachment before Christmas?

I hope. But that's going to be up to the speaker. And I think that's and I think that that's, you know, when you're hearing Representative Gates's arguments on what's happening, even with the C.R. and defunding Jack Smith and all that, I think that it's important for the speaker to see that, you know, Americans, we have to maintain that or that standard of justice.

And when people lose faith in the justice system, it's actually very dangerous because that's when they start to push the envelope and where you really see that deep rooted corruption start to expand. And so I know that if the speaker is listening, I would ask him to do the right thing and bring that vote to the floor so that we can we can have due diligence and the justice that we deserve. Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna, get back to your newborn baby. Thank you so much for making the time. Thanks, Charlie. God bless.

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Go to preborn.org slash Kirk. I mean, the media is so dishonest, right? So the media, they cover NAU dishonestly, by the way, right? We had hundreds of people in support and like 60 angry people. Charlie Kirk, booed off campus. And they don't do, I mean, honestly, the student newspaper to their credit, they covered it pretty well. But we had tons of, hundreds of people pass through yesterday and the media is quiet. The student newspaper covered it well. So they're very happy to write a whole article if there are 60 people booing us. And they say, oh, you know, Charlie's not very good at this.

Oh, really? Show to a college campus. You'll see, you'll see unbelievable right wing support. I'm not saying it's a majority. It's a lot more than you might believe. So we had an event last night at Arizona State University with Dennis Prager.

Dennis is terrific. We don't agree on everything. And I didn't even play into the disagreements yesterday.

It's not worth it, right? I mean, if people want to hear us disagree, then we'll go do a podcast or something. We're there to answer questions. But I mean, I'm on 99 percent agreement with Dennis Prager on basically everything. And earlier in the day, when I did the kind of questions with the students, first of all, far more respectful than NAU.

NAU, they're nasty. But the students yesterday, it was really, it got very philosophical very quickly. And some of the questions that they were asking were very fundamental, which is, do you need a belief in a transcendent to have a free society? That's a really good question. In fact, that's the question you guys should be mulling over in your Arizona State University philosophy course or your ethics course, which is, can you have a free society without a belief or without any sort of structure in a transcendent? I believe no. And then another great question from a student yesterday, we'll publish these videos again.

They were nowhere near as spicy as the NAU one. Some of them are really deep and long and really helpful. One of the students said, well, Charlie, how do we know a free society is the best society? That's a really good question, actually.

I know it sounds silly. They should probably have come to that conclusion already, but that's what college is all about. And again, I'm no fan of ASU and how they've been handling things and the 30 something professors that signed the letter at the Barrett Honors College saying that Dennis Prager and Charlie Kirk should not be allowed on campus, which sparked this massive free speech fight. But it was very, it was just reinforcing to me while we were able to have this dialog on the campus of Arizona State University yesterday, that when you are able to have conversation and some form of speech, you can get to some place that is at least closer to the truth. Why is America so bitterly divided, as they say, which I think it's a little overrated? Why is America at odds with another? Speech is the remedy to divisions.

When you're not speaking to the other side, you think lower of them, more antagonistic, you're more hostile. In fact, I want to read one of the quotes here from the student newspaper. I thought it was really powerful and I thought they actually did a really good job covering it and they quoted me accurately.

And I'm a stickler for the truth. Boy, this was all the way up there. This was from last night. I got to find it here.

Let me try to see here. It was done by the Arizona State Press. Elena Mellis, a freshman studying music, approached Kirk with questions about his thoughts on contraceptives. Despite her disagreements with him, she said he was mellow. I understand the fact that I'm not going to agree with everything, but he's not unreasonable, Mellis said.

She was actually a really sweet girl, I remember. It was about the birth control pill, but that, yeah, I guess that's technically a contraceptive, but anyway. Mellis added that she's interested in having more diverse viewpoints represented on campus. Quote, I think it's really interesting to hear different points of view from people that aren't my own.

I'm sorry. I think interesting to hear different points of view of people that aren't my own, she said. It's interesting to understand where they come from. You see, that was a really important quote because here she's saying that, not unreasonable, I disagree with him. That very same young lady very well might have been tricked into screaming at me at Northern Arizona University because they never even let me talk. They had a built-up prejudice and stereotype of what they thought I was or how I presented my views as some sort of shock artist, when I do believe my views are rather reasonable and justifiable. And so there she puts forward a piece of an opinion that deradicalizes the antagonism. That right there is evidence that if you want to heal the land and remedy the rupture of America, speech is the way that we do that. Not shutting up the other side.

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So go to legacybox.com slash Kirk, legacybox.com slash Kirk. Joining us now is Sean Spicer. Sean, welcome to the program.

Sean, you've been around for a few Republican debates. What is your instant takeaway for the circus that happened last evening? Well, first, I'm proud to see your support for Freeborn. God bless you because I think that that's absolutely right.

We've got to put our money where our mouth is, so I'm a big fan of what you're doing to support that. Second, look, I thought it was an absolute travesty what happened last night. If you closed your eyes and described the scene, Univision was moderating Gavin Newsom in the spin room, I think nine out of 10 people would tell you that you were at a Democratic debate.

That was a disaster. It was embarrassing, and it was insulting to the candidates there. But more importantly, what it showed to me, and this is the mistake that everybody keeps making on this, Charlie, is they keep saying, well, we need a debate that allows the candidates to speak.

Here's the other option that I don't think people are understanding. We've seen all the candidates. We've seen Donald Trump. His support is solid and growing, and their support is not. At some point, trust the voters. The voters have seen the options, and they've chosen to stay and grow with Donald Trump.

I think that's what the debates have shown. So, Sean, let's see if you could pass the test. Can you tell me what on earth is going on in this tape? It's a little bit hard to track.

It's almost indecipherable. And by the way, just so we're clear, this was not one time. This was not two times.

OK, cut 142. We're sitting in the Reagan library. Yes, I wish you the honor of Ronald Reagan's library, if I may.

Tim, from one admirer of Ronald Reagan to another, from one admirer of Reagan to another, we cannot violate Reagan's 11th commandment. Let's have a policy debate. Let's have a policy debate. And the right answer is we need to declare independence in China, and I will see that through. You know what the real problem was?

Why didn't Doug Burgum also just speak up? I mean, at that point, you just got to get in, man. Right.

I mean, if six other people. I tell you what, that's going to be like a stenographer final exam. Ready?

Go. Tell me what was said. You're going to be watching these court reporters try to get that down.

I got China, Reagan. And I mean, Sean, it was. So let's just talk about this from a media perspective. I want to say this as an outset. I have immense decades long gratitude and respect for Stuart Varney. But could the moderators have handled this differently?

Sean, you've been in the media business for a while. What could the moderators have done to restore order here? Well, number one, there should have only been one.

I mean, when you have three and when you're trying to have a D.E.I. fest, which is what it was, let's include Univision. Let's include the bottom line is have one moderator. The format was horrible. Fox overproduced this thing. They were trying to make it a show. The end of the day, what they should have done is said, here's a topic, China. How are you going to combat China?

Go. You get three minutes, then we'll have three. But they've allowed the format that the tail is wagging the dog on the format. And that's the problem is they want this to be a show.

They want to show that when they ask a question that they look really knowledgeable themselves. It's never been about the moderators. It's supposed to be about the candidates.

So I think from the jump, this was set up to fail. Yeah. And I mean, I just I like the D.E.I.

fest thing. You know, this is something that people are disagreeing with. But for me, I don't think at a Republican debate held in America, you should have this.

Let me play play cut 148. Sean, I mean, I'm all for people, you know, still having native language roots. I'm all for winning over new voters. But English should be the official language of the United States.

I found that to be really kind of irritating and bothering. Am I wrong, Sean, in believing that? No, look, here's the point. If you want to we need to grow the party. Politics is about addition, not subtraction. But this is a primary debate. The goal is to give primary and caucus goers and grassroots activists in the conservative movement the best information about who to vote for and who will be the strongest conservative going up against Kamala Harris. And that's what we're really fighting about.

And at the end of the day, to try to make sure that we all looked good. That was a sanctioned debate. The RNC chose that. That was a decision that they made that helped zero voters make up their mind, because after that diatribe in Spanish, the questions were about DACA, CRT. There isn't a single voter in a primary caucus state that was saying, oh, gee, I'm glad you asked that question. We wasted a ton of time to show that we're we're trying to reach out. This isn't a general election. This was about this. That was political male practice. The idea that we wasted that much time to try to look good when we weren't doing anything to further the cause of finding a Republican nominee.

I mean, if I were Donald Trump, I was sitting there saying, thank God I went to Michigan. Yeah. So who is the big winner out of all this?

And Sean, I've been I was getting a lot of texts from donors and people. They say, Charlie, is this really the best that we have? And the answer is also this, though, is that excellence drives excellence. So when you do not have your best candidate, he would have pushed other candidates to be better. Right. First of all, if Donald Trump would have been there, he would have this interrupting thing wouldn't have happened. And by the way, it doesn't exactly make the case that Donald Trump should participate in future debates. Right.

That's what I'm saying. I think if I were Trump, I sat there and said I actually communicated with UAW workers explaining why Biden's policy I mean, the nut of last night, just to be clear, Trump went to Michigan and said you can get the biggest raise in the world. You can get a million dollar raise if your job doesn't exist. It doesn't matter. And what Biden's policies are doing is getting rid of your industry and what you do for a living.

So don't buy into a short term deal. Biden is selling you fairy dust. Trump actually had an audience to himself to explain why Biden's policies are bad for Michigan, bad for America. Trump won Michigan by 10,703 votes in 2016.

He can do it again by peeling off more union workers that understand that he's fighting for their jobs and fighting for the future of America. Last night, it would have been a complete joke and he made the right decision by not going there. Charlie, when your clearest and nearest competitor is 45 points, 45 to 50 points behind you, why on earth would you show up and give them a stage to do this?

Look, maybe when we get closer down. But I go back to the point I made a minute ago. The voters have seen these folks. Mike Pence was a governor, a member of Congress, the vice president for four years, Nikki Haley, a two term governor, Tim Scott, two term senator. They've seen the candidates. They've seen Donald Trump and they've made their mind up. We are three plus months out from the Iowa caucuses. And whether you look at state polls or national polls, I think the decision of most voters and your point was made on this second ago, it grows for Donald Trump. The more people see these other guys that are like, God, I would rather get in the Trump train now. Yeah, I agree with that. By the way, the Iowa caucuses are January 15th.

Just, you know, everyone can circle that on your calendar. OK, I want to play another piece of tape here. So this is just you have two people that are honestly, you know, one of them has a nice role to play in the U.S. Senate. Other one is not really doing very well, but it's trying to be like the new heir apparent, Nikki Haley. This is a complete waste of everybody's time.

Play cut 150. I think, look, I appreciate Tim. We've known each other a long time, but he's been there 12 years and he hasn't done any of that. He hasn't. They've only given four budgets on time in 40 years. He was part of that. He increased the national debt. He voted for the spending.

He has made sure that the borders are open and they actually asked for a gas tax increase in South Carolina. Twelve years. Where have you been? Where have you been, Tim? Twelve years.

We've waited and nothing has happened. Here's what you've done. Here's the thing that I find interesting.

Ron, Ron, let me finish. All these guys have said here's the fact and I appreciate a lot of the things they're saying. Nikki Haley, the only one up here who's gotten in the big fights and has delivered big victories for the people of Florida. And that's what it's all about. I mean, actually a pretty good line from DeSantis. But does this get us closer, Sean, to get us to beating Joe Biden or the Democrats in November of twenty four? Well, in the sense of the sooner that we come up with the nominee. And right now, again, my point is, I think that Trump, the more we can coalesce and begin that general election fight, the better.

But I don't think we did ourselves any favors last night. I don't think there's one thing I would say from an image standpoint, Charlie, I will say this. If you turn down the volume and look at the stage, I think it reflects well on the conservative movement and the political and the Republican Party that we had people of color there, people of success.

Doug Burgum and Vivek Ramaswamy are successful business people. I like the look, but I thought that the behavior and the tone last night didn't do the party any favors. Yeah, I think I think that's right. Sean, tell us about your new podcast, please. Thank you, sir. The Sean Spicer Show is available every day, five days a week on Apple, YouTube and Rumble. As you know, Charlie, I'm trying to follow your trail.

I feel like a NASCAR driver trying to draft behind you. But any subscriptions are super helpful to help in this world of conservative independent media. I got asked this morning, what would you have done differently about this debate? And I said, why aren't we putting people like Charlie Kirk, Dan Bongino, Glenn Beck, Ben Shapiro, Salem media folks? Why are we doing Univision? We have independent media that is successful. You've blazed the trail in this.

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This is what drives me nuts. Happy talk. This is an interesting question. You can believe that the American dream still exists for some people. But to say that the American dream is healthy and intact.

That doesn't resonate. This connects perfectly with something I want to talk about that I was almost trying out in real time with the Arizona State students yesterday who were very receptive. They were very polite.

I have nothing but good things to say about them, including the ones who disagreed. I mean, there were a lot of people coming up doing F bombs and, you know, the flicking of that. Hope you go to hell.

Hope your kids die. All that sort of stuff. That's normal. But that's just like passerby. That's like skateboard bros. Right. Mostly women. But the people that actually engaged were were terrific.

They really were. OK, play cut 160. This is not how you win younger voters.

Play cut 160. America and the dream. It is alive. It is well and it is healthy. God bless these United States of America.

OK, bro, I'm an admirer of your story. I'm glad you're in the U.S. Senate. It's not healthy. This is 1989 happy talk. Now, I'm not willing to say the American dream is dead. I'm not a leftist Marxist. Do that all the time. But to say it's healthy, it is sick, man.

It is diseased. And Senator Scott, I don't think I've ever had a negative thing to say about Senator Scott, nor I mean, by all accounts, he's very pleasant, very sweet. He was to me. But Senator Scott, I would love to have you attend with me one of these campus events. And you could you know, you could sit and just watch. And yesterday I had this group of people in front of me, right, talking. And again, great conversation, positive dialog, constructive, everything that Turning Point USA stands for, everything.

And we had some disagreement. I said, time out. How many of you believe that you're going to be able to own a home in the next five years? No hands go up. How many of you feel as if you are going to have nonstop debt for the next decade?

Every hand goes up. They have been created as Russian serfs. Home ownership is so hard to find, because what we've done is we saddle them with unnecessary student loan debt, send them to schools to learn silly and stupid stuff, fill them up with really bad ideas. And we printed all this money, massive structural inflation over the last couple of years. So all of our asset prices have gone up and young people can't even pay the down payment, let alone service the loan, especially in major metropolitan areas like Dallas, Austin, Texas, Houston, Phoenix. Home prices in Phoenix have gone up 65 to 70 percent since COVID.

The price to fill a tank of gas has doubled. And something that I hear a lot is some older people, you know, baby boomers, God bless them, say, Charlie, why don't the kids just work harder? The American dream is alive and well. Not for a 26 year old. It isn't. And I'm not one to play victim politics.

So if I'm saying this, you guys should listen very carefully. But I'm talking to these kids on campus. They own nothing and they own nothing. So they're going to enter into a workforce. And the only way they could probably even make ends meet is maybe a loan from their parents. Try going into the Phoenix housing market at age 25. Rent alone is going up 15 to 20 percent a year in Phoenix.

Trying to get married. Please. I want anyone that's talking down to these kids like Tim Scott, who just rehearses this disgusting Chamber of Commerce talking point.

Try get married and having kids in your 20s like your parents can. I have to replay this. This is Tim Scott. What country is he talking about? It's as if it's like Back to the Future, as if he's some sort of time traveler. He's giving a 1989 speech. Play it again.

Play cut 160. America and the dream. It is alive. It is well and it is healthy.

God bless these United States of America. It's not healthy, man. It does the Republican Party no good. You are doing active damage to the conservative movement. You sound disconnected. You sound elitist. You sound it's denialism. You know, the left piles on because they say, oh, we're climate denialists.

Forget that crap. That's a bunch of nonsense. You are economically denying. You are in active generational denial. If you think the American dream is alive and well. Sit down, pick 10 random kids at the University of Arizona or Arizona State University and sit down and go through their economics and financials with them.

It will blow your mind. They're a nation of debtors, Russian serfs that own nothing and told to be happy. So for Republican candidates, stop saying the American dream is healthy.

It's diseased, sick and dying. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com.

Thank you so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com. When I grow up, I want to work for a woke company like super woke. When I grow up, when I grow up, I want to be hired based on what I look like rather than my skills.

I want to be judged by my political beliefs. I want to get promoted based on my chromosomes. When I grow up, I want to be offended by my co-workers and walk around the office on eggshells and have my words policed by HR.

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