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Walk us through it. Well, it's been high drama. You know, the House Board of Managers, the House of Representatives brought charges back in May that they voted on. It took them about four hours, and it was based on hearsay upon hearsay. In fact, none of the witnesses that this was all based upon ever were put under oath. So this, for about three months, with a gag order in place, Attorney General Paxton and his wife, Senator Paxton, were accused of all kinds of things that we could not even rebut in the press. And of course, the liberal press was in the hip pocket of the House managers.

And so finally, two weeks ago, we were able to do an opening statement and tell our side of the story. And even though Attorney General Paxton had been essentially convicted in the press, once they called their first witness under oath, and that witness was cross-examined, it all fell apart. It crumbled like a cookie, and Ken Paxton was acquitted. So walk us through some of the players here, Dade Phelan, the Bush insiders. For our national audience that aren't as familiar with insider ball, Texas politics, walk us through some of the players, and why Ken Paxton, in your estimation, did they target? Well, you know, the Bush family has controlled Texas politics for a long time. Ken Paxton has been an anti-establishment guy.

He has been front and center. He's been fighting very hard against not only the Obama administration, but also, of course, the Biden administration. And they thought they finally had him. And the interesting thing, and I thought what was most telling, was the so-called whistleblowers. And remember, to be a whistleblower, you have to have a good faith belief that a crime had occurred. Well, these so-called whistleblowers admitted under oath that they had no evidence of any crime. And on the day that they went to the FBI, George P. Bush reactivated his law license. And one thing people should know is that Ken Paxton ran against George P. Bush in the Republican primary and beat him 68 to 32. And we thought that had ended the George Bush or the Bush hierarchy in the state of Texas.

Well, they came back again in a different way. And this time, it was this impeachment. And so on the very day that these so-called whistleblowers went to the FBI without any evidence, without any evidence of any crime, but they made all these allegations that led to this impeachment, George P. Bush reactivated his law license, hoping that he would be the next attorney general.

And here's the interesting part. All of these so-called whistleblowers, who are nothing more than disgruntled ex-staffers, who made complaints against their boss with no evidence to the FBI, they were all represented by an individual named Johnny Sutton. Johnny Sutton, of course, was the appointed U.S. attorney by George Bush and was working for three years after we cross-examined these whistleblowers, working for free. So the whole thing stunk to high heaven. The whole thing was an orchestration of a house that was in line with the Bush family. Of course, the Democrats jumped in as well.

And it was all exposed on national TV when the first witness was actually put under oath and actually cross-examined. Yeah. And you did a fabulous job of that. I want to build this out even further, though. We have cut 19 here, but I think I'm not sure how long it is. Let's play cut 19.

This is the clip that went viral. They figured out real quickly once they talked to Maxwell that, you know what, we don't have anything. We need to beef this up. We don't have anything. And even though it's been three years, they still don't have anything. And 17 lawyers over there working since May, $500 an hour for each of them, hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted, taxpayer money wasted, and they still don't have anything.

How did this happen? Well, they made some assumptions. They made some assumptions, and you go on to say the Bush regime ends today. Talk about how this really was the grassroots versus the oligarchs. The people wanted Ken Paxton.

There's no doubt. Ken Paxton won his last election with 4.2 million votes. The grassroots are behind Ken Paxton. The people in the House that are aligned with the Bush family were against Ken Paxton. They did not like the fact that Ken Paxton dispatched George P. Bush by an overwhelming majority. So this was their effort, and it may have succeeded. They had a hundred lawyers on the other side. They were backed by millions of dollars, lobbyist dollars, pushing to beat Ken Paxton, his anti-establishment and anti the old guard. And I am so proud to have been a part of it.

I am so proud. When they called that first witness, and he was put under oath, and you could tell with his shaking voice that he didn't have a whole lot there. And when he started answering cross-examined questions, he crumbled like a cookie on the stand, and you could just feel it. You could feel it in that Senate chamber. You could feel that everybody watching had seen what had happened, and everybody saw this for what it was, which was a complete sham. So going into this, now that the Bush people are rewriting history, they say, oh, we knew all along it would be tough.

No, no, no, no. They thought they could get this done, right? They didn't waste their time or their money. Kind of add some color to that because now they're rewriting history.

Walk us through that. They talked about the legitimacy of this process, that this was going to be a just process, that the impeachment was correct, that it was supported by more evidence. You're going to see all the evidence. And then when it fell apart, now they're trying to de-eligitize or make the process illegitimate. And that was a just, and that was a fair trial. I can tell you the first vote, we tried to get the entire thing dismissed, and we only were able to get six votes. But once the evidence came in, and once the lack of evidence on the prosecution side became clear, it fell apart. And now what we hear from the very same people who brought this case against Ken Paxton is, well, the whole process was fixed from the beginning.

And this is what we're up against. I mean, this could happen to anybody. This could happen to anybody, that they could cook up charges. And we even had documents in the whistleblower's own writing saying, we're going to cook up charges. And once people saw that, the grassroots saw that, people got angry as they should. I was angry as well. You can tell in that video, I was angry that Ken Paxton, our attorney general, was put through this, and that his wife, Senator Angela Paxton, was put through this. And the good news is, the good news is justice prevailed. Yes, it did. Let's play another piece of tape here.

Here was the one that I was looking for previously, play cut 13. And there is no doubt. There have been hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of articles about Ken Paxton and how bad Ken Paxton is. Everybody has heard it. And guess what? The voters heard it too.

And guess what? Ken Paxton won hands down resounding victory. He beat the latest in line for the Bushes. Let it be known.

Let it be clear now. The Bush era in Texas ends today. Is it fair to say the Bush cabal is weaker than at any time because of this loss?

I give all credit to Ken Paxton. I think so. I think this puts an end, I hope, to the Bush regime in Texas. That's a big deal. For 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless provider.

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That is patriotmobile.com slash charlie or call 878-PATRIOT. So Tony, what is the lesson here then for grassroots conservatives? When the regime comes after you, hold the line. It would have been very easy for Ken just to bow out, wouldn't it? Yeah, and that's one of the things I said in the closing is what they hoped he would do, what they expected he would do, was quit.

But he has a stronger backbone than that. And I can tell you the grassroots, their calls, their letters, their emails, their texts, they made a difference. They made a real difference. They were heard. I think they were heard by the jury. They certainly were heard by our legal team. It motivated us. It gave us strength to fight through this.

Let's go to cut 12, please. The burdens of proof. Look at the burdens of proof, senators.

If you decided this case from the Houston Chronicle, the Texas Tribune, Texas Monthly, the Dallas Morning News. Oh, my goodness gracious, Ken Paxton's guilty. But there ain't no evidence to support it. The only evidence we have in this case is they don't like Ken Paxton. So how is it then, just help me understand, that a Republican House in the state of Texas with such weak evidence decided to proceed? This is a mockery to the whole country. This is a humiliation for the state of Texas. Shocking.

It was shocking. We knew from the beginning that they had never placed a witness under oath. We knew from the beginning that they had some investigators who went out and spoke to only 15 witnesses and collected no documents. And then those investigators went to the House committee and testified but were not placed under oath.

And we knew there was nothing to support this. And then you may recall that the hearing where they recommended impeachment lasted only four hours. And I think the reason that they sped that up and the reason that they went forward with this is because the Speaker of the House was embarrassed by Ken Paxton because the Speaker of the House appeared to be drunk running the state's business and Ken Paxton called him out in a public statement.

And so they sped this up and they, as I called it, they took a long walk on a short pier. They had already went too far and it was too late to turn back. And that's the case with the House that brought these charges and also with these so-called whistleblowers. And so what they put us in a position of doing is not only defending ourselves and the press with a gag order in place but also cross-examining witnesses who had a lot of allegations and supposition and guesswork but no evidence. And the good news is it turned out the way it should have turned out.

The process worked. But the point is it should have never happened. And I think Lieutenant Governor's comments after the trial where he blasted the House and said this should never happen and we're going to amend the Texas Constitution, I think that speaks volumes. So there are there are some whispers that are being leaked to the Associated Press that the Department of Justice is now going to take over and continue their assault against Ken Paxton.

Is there anything you can share with that? It looks like it's an unrelenting blitzkrieg against Ken Paxton. I hope that's not true because anybody that watched the trial and saw the witnesses that the federal government, the DOJ, would have to rely upon would see that they have no evidence and that they do not stand up to cross-examination. I think what you're hearing is just a bunch of sour grapes from the press corps that thought that they had gotten Ken Paxton. And not only did they not get Ken Paxton, he's stronger than ever and is ready to do his work. Tony Busby and you're running for City Council.

Tell us about that really quick. I'm running in a District G which generates 37% of the revenues in the City of Houston but only gets about 10% of the benefits. Houston is becoming more and more unsafe.

We have more than a thousand busted water mains across the city and we need somebody who's an advocate, who stands up and is all about good government and that's the reason I'm running and I'm looking forward to working for the residents of the City of Houston. Tony Busby, great work. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

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It's a lot of fun. Yeah, Media Research Center. First tell us about that and let's get started. All right, so the MRC was founded, good lord, 35 and a half years ago because I believed that the media, then the liberal media, were the most powerful arm of the left in America today, the most consequential anyway. But that's when the media were liberal.

What we've seen happen in the last five years is a transformation. This is a media that's gone hard for left and I spent 30 years debating the media that denied they have a bias. Note that nobody denies it anymore. Note that nobody suggests they don't have a bias anymore.

It's indefensible to suggest that they don't have a bias. And you guys do a wonderful job of exposing it and from a factual perspective, it's really remarkable. I want to talk about this, Meet the Press. There's a new host of Meet the Press, Kristen Welker. And this is part of something that we call the Trump paradox, which is that there's a portion of the media that says, do not platform Trump at all. But another portion that says, wait, we need ratings.

We have to pay the bills. So they get they're kind of in this tension point of do we platform Trump or do we not platform Trump? Let's play a little tease from Meet the Press.

If you haven't seen it, it's a very entertaining interview. Play cut 15. 92 percent of the Democrats don't want to see abortion after a certain period of time. If a federal ban landed on your desk, if you were reelected, would you sign it at 15? Are you talking about a complete ban? A ban at 15 weeks? Well, people are starting to think of 15 weeks.

That seems to be a number that people are talking about right now. Would you sign that? I would sit down with both sides and I'd negotiate something and we'll end up with peace on that issue for the first time in 52 years. I'm not gonna say I would or I wouldn't. I mean, DeSantis is willing to sign a five week and six week ban.

Would you support that? I think what he did is a terrible thing and a terrible mistake. So I don't want to get into the abortion thing too much, but that that's going viral.

Brent, your thoughts? Media versus Trump. They need him.

Isn't it funny, though? You know, during they were apoplectic with themselves during the 2016 campaign because it was all Trump all the time. I've never seen in my life someone command the media attention the way that he did.

He's a master, an absolute master. They were going crazy, but they had to cover him because of the ratings. It's so good for the ratings. So what's happened is since since 2020, they have said to themselves, look, we've got to take the high road. And the high road means banning him from television, which begs the question, who the hell are they? I mean, these are supposed to be news reporters not passing judgment on who is worthy and who isn't. This guy is the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party. How in the world do they have any right whatsoever? And so they are very upset any time he gets on the air. But guess what? When he gets on the air, he dominates the news.

And it's it's this ongoing paradox. You saw this with CNN, right? CNN did the you know, the Kate and Collins town hall and then Licht gets fired or resigns almost completely after the rank and file. These news agencies say we cannot give him oxygen. We cannot give him a platform. This is the media. I agree with Mark Levin.

This is a neo-Marxist news media. They will not tolerate. When was the last time? Charlie, when was the last time you were on national television? What was the last time that they invited you? Never.

When was the last time? Well, now you have got one of the largest, most consequential organizations in the United States of America. When was the last time they interviewed Mark Levin, who can sell a million hardback books, but yet they'll never put him on television. They won't allow conservative speech. They don't want conservative speech to be allowed. We are finding ways in which the left is doing this, which is frightening. We're going to be coming out with a report.

We already came out with one report showing how the Dayton University, how the Justice Department is involved in this. This is how the radical left believe. They believe that the conversation we're having right now ought not to be allowed. They truly do believe this. So with Donald Trump going on television is something they believe ought not to be happening because by God, his ideas might get out.

Yes, that's right. And so trust in the media is at an all time low. Can you just give us some perspective, Brent, over the last decade, how consumption of information has changed? Well, because we first of all, when, you know, when the news media have a trust rating lower than Congress, you know, they're in trouble. So what is the number?

I think last time I saw was 17 or something like that. It makes you wonder who likes them. Uh, used car dealers have better reputations than the news media do. Uh, now why? Well, you know, here's an interesting dynamic, Charlie. We're going from the news era, we're leaving the news era and we're going into the information age. You no longer, nine out of 10 people, no longer wait for the newspaper in the morning, uh, to be delivered, to see the news or, or wait till six 30 in the evening. They, they, they pick up this thing and they look for the information. They look for information, not news. If you look at, if you look, if you, if you survey young people and ask them where they get their news, they get it from Facebook.

Um, that's, that's where they're getting the news. So you've got, uh, uh, the networks are still very, very powerful in that they can create the narrative. And I'll argue that, you know, a lot of people will argue that, that the elections were or weren't stolen in 2020, uh, at the ballot box. But I can argue, and I can argue with scientific certainty that the media stole the 2020 elections. So your organization, the media research center had the conclusive piece of data and it was about the hundred by and laptop.

This is, this is I think 10 out of 10 walk us through it. Well, it was actually five or six different questions, but here's what we did. We looked at all the battleground states.

We looked at, uh, here in Arizona, Nevada, uh, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. And we asked a series of questions of Biden's voters. These were questions we knew had not been covered by the news media because we track all these things. We asked, for example, did they know that Kamala Harris had a voting record to the left of Bernie Sanders, the socialist. Um, and we then we looked at, it was like 48% or whatever. Um, and then we asked them, would you have voted for Joe Biden?

Had you known this? And we took that number, whatever it might be, 5.2%. And we put it across those states. And, uh, she, and, and, and Donald Trump would have won Arizona, Joe, Nevada, um, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.

Um, then we asked the same question. Did you know that America was oil energy independent? 50% of Democrats had no idea. Did you know that Donald Trump had been nominated or recommended for three Nobel peace prices? Did you know 11 million jobs had been created in two months?

Did you know that GDP in the last quarter was 30%, 30% GDP. So we asked those series of questions, but here was the big one. We asked, did you know about the Hunter Biden laptop story? And here's, what's important about this, Charlie conservatives, all conservatives believe, well, everybody knew about this.

Everybody knew about the laptop. Well, when you asked Biden's voters, 49.1% had never heard of Hunter Biden. I'll get to why in a second. 49.40, 41.9% had never heard about it. Then we asked, would you have voted for Joe Biden? Had you known 9.4% of Biden's voters wouldn't have won, wouldn't have voted for it.

So what would have happened? Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, all the battleground states would have gone to Trump in a landslide. He would have won at least 317 electoral votes. And that's, we just, we just pulled the battleground states. He would have taken some of the blue states as well, at least 317 electoral votes.

It would have been an absolute landslide. Had they only, Charlie, we're just talking about them reporting the news. Think about in 2016, they almost kind of reported the news of the Hillary Clinton laptop. And I think they saw a blood oath. We're never doing that again.

Oh yeah. We're never doing any sort of negative press. The last 90 days of an election, we are not going to cover a scandal. There's no more October surprises. If a tree falls in a forest and there's an October surprise, no one to cover it. Did it actually happen? Yes. Um, now, now would you, what, what, what are the things that we knew for a fact, we know for a fact, take the Hunter Biden story, you know, that ABC, NBC, and CBS completely buried it.

Why? Because we covered these things and we showed it was a matter of seconds that they gave and, and, and, and rejected it. Um, we know that Twitter censored it because, uh, when Elon Musk took over, he found that out. And then Mark Zuckerberg admitted that the justice department went to him and called it Russian collusion and told them not to cover it. Now, Charlie, people should go to prison for this. When the justice department is that weaponized that they are going to Facebook and telling them not to cover a story that they know is going to hurt Joe Biden.

People should have gone to prison for that. So we know it wasn't covered at all, but here's the terrible thing, Charlie and, and conservatives better be, uh, recognize something it's happening all over again, right before our very eyes. You and I know lots of things going on in this administration and your viewers know everything we know that's going on about all the bribery and all that kind of stuff. I guarantee you that probably a majority of Democrats have no idea what we're talking about.

Yeah. And, and we also live in a police state in addition to that and the media won't cover the police state. We really do.

We really do. I mean, the justice department is so weaponized. You don't dare speak. You know what it is? It's not, it's not, it's not the just that your, your freedom of speech is being interfered with. It's your freedom of thought, because when you're going to say something and you think about it and what's your reaction puts a lot of people, I better not say that I'm going to get myself banned. I better not think that I, you know, I, I better not say that thing about transgenders. I better not say that thing about the second, the second amendment on and on it goes, but, but we have been looking at some of the studies, some of the stories that are out there that conservatives think are being covered.

And Charlie, it's frightening. Hunter Biden, Joe Biden has said unequivocally, he's never dealt discuss his business, his, his son's business deals. He said it over and over again.

All right. So what was Hunter Biden's partner, Eric Sherman doing in the White House? What was he doing in there? And it's not just that he went to the White House. He went to the White House 19 times, according to the logs, including one visit with vice-president Joe Biden. Do you think there's any media interest in that?

They should be breaking down every door to find out what was he doing there 19 times. Not one single story has been done on this. Now there was one person who did do the mainstream media thing.

And I don't think they invited him back afterwards. You told me about the story and I studied it. The only person ever played the mainstream media, like a fiddle rush Limbaugh. You remember? Let's play cut 30 rush Limbaugh on 60 minutes. Then Brent, I want you to tell the story around this. It's amazing.

Play cut 30. People have called you a sexist, right? People have called you a homophone, right? Are you? Oh, of course not. I'm none of those things.

I am. I am simply someone who views events in life and comments on them. I have my own version of what's right and wrong. You've also been called arrogant and pompous.

Well, I call it confidence. The great rush Limbaugh. Brent, walk us through this story.

All right. So, so I was with having dinner with Rush one night and he said, I've done an interview on 60 minutes. That's going to be coming up. I said, Russia, you did what? And he said, well, 60 minutes, wanted to do an interview.

Now rush was, was extraordinarily comfortable, also very innocent about life. And I said, professor Russia, this is what I'm going to do. When you find out when it's going to air, also let me know, but also let me know what your favorite Pacific island is. And I'm going to buy you a one way ticket to it.

And you go there and you stay there until everything blows over and then come back. And he said, well, I've done, I, and then he called me sometime later. He said, sometime later, he said, it's going to air this weekend. And I said, rush, what Island do you want to go to?

And he said, I don't know. I feel good about this. I think it went well. And I said, Oh God. And they said it went well. And I thought this is over. You don't know the media. Like I know the media. So it played.

And I've got to tell you how this thing went. It was so wonderful. The first section had to do with Russia's homophobia and they showed clips of homophobic rush saying things. And then they went to some gay rights organization that were just apoplectic about him. And then they went back to rush and they showed him the footage of them being apoplectic and he started laughing. Then the second one was the feminazis going after the feminists. And again, they showed clips of him making fun of them.

They showed it to some radical feminist organization. She went nuts over it. And he started laughing. They showed it back to him. He's laughing even more.

And then the third one was the animal rights where they showed the footage of him playing born free with a machine gun in the background. And some animal rights person was just going nuts. And Russia's losing it laughing. Well, what happened at the end of the day, you saw left and you saw right. You saw the right that could laugh and have fun.

And the left with no sense of humor whatsoever. It was an out of the park home run for Russia. And that and I don't say I put them on the map, but they tried to ruin his career with that interview and it had the opposite effect. They didn't. They tried.

They never understood this. There was a reporter, Bill Raspberry, a columnist for The Washington Post, very, very left wing, who did, I think, one of the greatest services he did for his newspaper. He wrote a piece just slamming rush, just really, really bad. And then about a month later, he wrote a second piece. And in the second piece, he acknowledged he'd never listened to rush before.

He was just going by what everybody was telling him. And he then, after he wrote it, decided to listen to Rush. And he said, and I'm paraphrasing, Rush, I don't agree with anything you say, but I apologize for everything I said because it wasn't true.

So good for him, for that man, for having done that. Most most people who attack who Savage Rush never listened to his show once, but they couldn't take they couldn't stand the fact that he could laugh at them and enjoy it so much. And the typical rules of the media did not apply to Rush.

No, no, they didn't. Rush, Rush just knew how to handle the media better than anybody else did. And he was always, you know, he never wavered.

He never, ever, ever compromises principles, not once. And you know, the greatest story about him that's never been told. He had every challenger under the sun. He had thousands of people he was competing with for over 30 years. And for 30 years, he was number one in the country.

No one was even close. And I believe when he passed, he was bigger than when he was first, number one, 30 years before. I believe it. It's incredible.

Well, we miss Rush. And you know what? And to be with him privately, people don't believe this. He was the most humble person you ever met.

And it wasn't a bit of falsehood in that when when he came back, when he had his drug issue and he came back from his drug issue, his first public event was with me at one of our galas. And he got a massive standing ovation when he came off the stage. He looked at me almost teary eyed and he said, Brent, they can't be a standing ovation.

You couldn't believe he would get that. Amazing. Brent Bozell, thank you for that. Thank you for being here. Email us. Freedom at Charlie Kirk Dotcom. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk Dotcom.

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