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We talk a little bit about Bob Menendez and then we talk about Ray Epps and then also Ron DeSantis. Pretty exciting episode. Cover a lot of topics. Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast.

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We are no longer great. Eye-opening to me. If you're curious, email me throughout the hour at freedom at charliekirk.com. Joining us now is Citizen Kane from citizenfreepress.com. Mr. Kane, thank you for taking the time. I think all eyes are on this funding fight. You guys at CFP Nation have been covering this.

What are you hearing, Kane? Frontlines, grassroots as far as what are the expectations and demands going into the 930 funding fight? Well, expectations probably match up with the emails and responses you just got that you just mentioned, which is everyone is incredibly cynical. I put up a story in the stack yesterday that some members of the Freedom Caucus are looking for an 8% reduction in federal spending. And as one of my commenters pointed out, when you have a $2.2 trillion annual deficit and your budget is $7 trillion, 8% of $7 trillion is $560 billion.

So even doing something as dramatic as an 8% cut in spending would still leave the deficit at $1.6 trillion. So getting a little deeper, I'm sure you saw the headlines. I put up three headlines.

I think it was on Wednesday. I originally was drawn into politics because of the national debt decades ago when it was crossing $1 trillion, $2 trillion. So that's always been an issue that I paid very close attention to. And as the debt balloon passed $15 trillion, the total national debt balloon passed $15 trillion, then $20 trillion, then $25 trillion. We weren't getting hit that hard, as you know, because interest rates were so low and they were financing the debt on short term, essentially three months to one year bills. So they were able to finance it at 1%, 2%, 3% for about 10 or 12 years.

And I kept telling people, if you own gold, if you own silver, just wait because we will revert to the mean. We will get back to 5% interest rates. And a 5% interest rate, and this was the point of my post earlier in the week, a 5% interest rate on a $33 trillion national debt is $1.65 trillion every single year, just for your interest payment. That knocks nothing off the debt.

All that does is keep you, essentially keep you even with paying your interest. And so to, you know, wind it back to your question, CFP Nation is cynical. They don't believe it.

They don't believe that the cuts that are out there are even big enough. And so that's where we are. So the expectation, though, I think that we are going to get hoodwinked here, though, Cain.

I mean, I don't want to get our audience's hopes up too much. We have three very basic demands. And it's funny, there's no war room. There's no like group chat.

I just love how the base kind of all synergizes itself. Right. Secure the border. Defund Jack Smith. Defund Ukraine. But I don't know if we're going to get any of that.

Cain, what do you think? I think we're going to get let down by Republicans. We always do. That's part of the cynical nature. I mean, we go through these fights every six months or so and we tend to get our hopes filled up that someone will show some backbone.

And we always we're always let down. You know, this idea of defunding Jack Smith, it's one of the best ideas that's out there in the Republican caucus. I don't know how you get that through the Senate. You know, this is complicated stuff, but I certainly don't have my hopes up now. So we're seeing some people start to hold the line and potentially a government shutdown looming. So, so, Cain, it looks as if the weaponization of government is in full light. What we said last hour, they went after Menendez, in our opinion, because they wanted to try to send a message to the other ninety nine senators not to touch the FBI funding. What are your thoughts on that? Well, you know, right before I came on the air, I just had to check my halal meat freezer to make sure that my gold bars, I had to make sure my coal and the bribery.

Talk about this, Cain. This is unbelievable. He he ran the bribery operation through a halal meat company. I know it's it's the headlines go on and on. I've got five headlines up on on Menendez. Four hundred thousand in gold bars running it through a halal meat company, giving giving information to the Egyptian intelligence that he should not have been providing involvement with New Jersey mob figures. I mean, it's the first thought, Charlie, and maybe, you know, because I haven't had time to look at it.

My first thought is the venue. Where is this trial going to be? Because I remember the last Menendez trial, which was in New Jersey, and it was not guilty on on all counts, even though his co-conspirator in the previous bribery, I think it was an ophthalmologist from Miami, that doctor had been had been convicted and sentenced to prison. And he watches the the first Menendez trial in New Jersey and let him get off scot-free. So that was one of my thoughts this morning. Is this going to be a D.C. trial or is this going to be another New Jersey trial? Have you seen anything on that?

No, I mean, it's a good question. But I think that there is this reminder, not so subtle reminder, that the administrative state wants those other 99 senators to know they're on watch and that the fourth branch of government runs the entire country. Look, the only difference between Bob Menendez and Joe Biden is just that Bob Menendez was sloppier.

He didn't give the cokehead son all the, you know, a little bit of a distance and a little bit of the appearance of this. And I don't want to get people's hopes up too much, because then this ties to another thing that you and I have been hitting, Cain, I think more so than anybody else, is that this all has to do with Trump. The not so buried lead is they're trying to create the appearance of impartiality so they can go for the political kill against Donald Trump.

Yeah, it was the first thing that I thought. I mean, they've been looking for these little small sort of shiny things that they can hang up and say, look, we're impartial. We don't just go after Republicans. We just don't go after President Trump. We're going after Democrats, too.

And I and you know, this we've been posting stories. We knew that the DOJ was taking another look at Menendez. They raided his wife. There was a raid.

His wife was involved. This was a few months ago. So, you know, one of the things that you learn about how DOJ works is that they have a lot of investigations sort of percolating, and they seem to be able to pull them out exactly when they need them. And this sort of feels like that's one of those cases.

I mean, I imagine they could have brought this this same case probably, you know, several months several months ago, or they could have delayed it for several months. And no one would know, because DOJ operates in secrecy, and we don't really know exactly what they're doing on a day-to-day basis. So they utilize, you know, issues like this, as well as the Hunter Biden, David Weiss, the sort of weak gun charges.

They use those to sort of show people, look, we're completely impartial. And it doesn't work. You know, it's too late for that.

Our side doesn't believe in it. And all the polls show that Republicans have great, great distrust for the Department of Justice now. So it's, you know, it's definitely a blatant attempt. I think you're right that it's a subtle message to the other members that, hey, do not defund us because we'll come immediately after you.

You know, you could be facing indictments if you make too much noise about defunding DOJ and the FBI. Yeah. So none of it is, yeah.

Well, and it's the not so subtle reminders. It's one thing for the House, but the Senate, the Senate has to be in complete lockstep, right? And the Republican House is far more in touch with their voters.

They have a long way to go. The Senate is on a different planet, Cain. The U.S. Senate is completely in a different, they're representing different interests for a different agenda and for a different motive. The administrative state, the fourth branch of government wants a not so subtle reminder for those other 99 senators. Here's the show trial. Here's the show trial. And I think it all has to do with 930.

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I meet people when I do these events. They say, Charlie, what happened to Drudge? I say, well, there's a new Drudge citizen free press dot com in the spirit of what Drudge used to be. How's the Web traffic, Citizen Kane? It's picked up.

You asked me that one of my previous times. It was sort of the slow period of July, August when everyone's on vacation. We were down about five, six percent during July, August. And sort of as I thought, it would come back in September strong. And it has.

We're back. In fact, last week, I think we had two days that were record days. So about 13 million page views is it was the old record.

I think we did thirteen point one or thirteen. Wow. And we're going to do about 380 million this month.

And Drudge is going to do about five hundred and eighty. So you're climbing. Wow. Yep. We're getting close.

So so I want to go through this. I one of the most frustrating stories that I see happening, Citizen Kane, is how Governor Ron DeSantis, who I believe is America's greatest governor, is becoming less popular because he continues in this political race of which he will not be successful absent something that none of us see coming. When I mean none of us, it's got to be a quite a black swan event. But the chances are that Ron DeSantis will finish second or third in Iowa or third and fourth in New Hampshire, which is a shame.

It is a heavy shame. I got to be honest, Kane, because he is a great governor who has done great things in the fabulous and free state of Florida. But he's in fifth place in New Hampshire according to Gateway Pundit. We are seeing Politico dot com. We're the front page of Politico dot com the day that Menendez gets indicted. The lead was required. So why they just switched it out, waiting for DeSantis to drop out. This story bothers me because I we need Ron DeSantis for the future of the Republican Party. We need strong governors, but he's trying to put a square peg through a round hole.

Citizen Kane. Yeah. And boy, didn't we see this coming? You and I talked about this. We're both fans of Governor DeSantis. We think he's been a fantastic governor who's and and absolutely America first in rhino.

You know, I have I reject that or excuse America first in Naga. I reject that Governor DeSantis is a rhino. But he made a mistake and we sort of telegraphed it. We knew this was coming. We did is, you know, the path the carpet was laid, the beautiful red carpet was laid for him for twenty twenty eight. He needed to stand back and stand by, as Trump actually told the Proud Boys. You know, DeSantis did not he should not have entered the race. The problem was donors got in his head. They got in his head too early, almost 10, 11 months ago, November, October of last year. And they were giving him money and telling him that Trump, you know, that we needed an alternative to Trump. And he believed that and he accepted the money. And then I feel like he was locked in. There needed to be, you know, an off an off ramp button somewhere before he announced.

You and I could have told him this is what is going to happen to you. The Trump influencer army. You know, it's too strong. DeSantis was polling even with Trump last November. Now he's 50 points behind and he's it's damaged him. He's damaged goods. I think all the time about whether or not he's going to be able to sort of slip off into the sunset and and, you know, rescue himself for twenty twenty eight or if he's damaged that. But we knew we sort of warned him that was his danger.

You and our you enter this race and you're going to you know, you're going to put yourself at risk for your future. And now, you know, he his governorship ends in twenty twenty six and he may not have anything to do. So he's obviously not going to win. And when you talked about a black swan event, it would take it would take the blackest swan of all. And then it's and then it's not even it's not even a fact that DeSantis would get the nomination because as he's fallen, others have risen.

Vivek has risen. And so, yeah, it's you know, I know he makes his decisions in-house. He and his wife make make these decisions themselves.

And and I wish he had listened more to your show and had gotten the feeling that that it wouldn't be good for him. Yeah. So let's build this out. Right. So DeSantis could have been an incredible organizer and just really kind of untouchable of ballot chasing, early voting, all this final thoughts. Citizen Kane, Ron DeSantis has spent one hundred fifty million dollars to now be in sixth place in New Hampshire.

Yeah. And you were on one hundred and fifty million part earlier. I remember five months ago you were like, let's take 10 percent of that, 15 percent of that. And don't spend it on ads. Don't spend it on promoting your campaign that's going to fail. Spend it on getting out, getting the getting out to vote movement in the five or six swing states that really matter.

So we've been on it. It's a shame. It's unbelievable that Griffin and these other billionaire donors have have thought that this was a good idea. It's never going to work.

They don't understand the Trump base. And I'll say one last shout. I want people to go to go to Citizen Free Press, scan down to about the fifth link on the stack. There's a fantastic five minute segment of Charlie yesterday with Roseanne Barr doing name association with on Hillary Clinton and Zelensky and plenty of others. I saw that.

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Darren, tell us about it. Well, as many of listeners might know by now, Ray Epps was indicted finally by the DOJ in what is maybe one of the most bungling and inept efforts to salvage the crumbling narrative surrounding Ray Epps and the Fed's erection more generally. This is over two and a half years after January 6th and the Fed's perfunctorily, weakly slap him with a singular misdemeanor charge for disorderly conduct.

At this point, it's simply too little too late and people see it for the desperate attempt that it is. We have two brand new pieces on Revolver Dot News addressing this and analyzing it. The one at the very top that you mentioned sort of looks at the statement of offense. Basically, they gave Ray Epps a really sweet guilty plea deal and he's agreeing to having done a certain number of things that amount to this misdemeanor charge. So we go through the statement of offense and its description of his behavior on the 5th and the 6th and we compare it to what we have documented on video of him doing and we show what an absolute sham this statement of offense, this plea deal actually is. And in this particular piece at Revolver Dot News, there's some very rare, some very amusing and all very damning footage of Ray Epps's involvement on the 5th and on the 6th.

So then how do you see this playing out? Is there any way where we can ever get the truth about Ray Epps's involvement? Because, I mean, again, the piece at Revolver Dot News is that Merrick Garland shoots himself in the foot with sloppy Ray Epps plea deal. Earlier this week, DOJ charged the infamous Fed's erection provocateur Ray Epps. Give us some examples, Darren, of other people that have experienced serious indictments for things that Ray Epps also did. Well, in many cases, Ray Epps actually did more. But just to provide a bit of context, you know, people are saying, well, Ray Epps didn't go into the Capitol. That completely leaves out the fact that Enrique Tarrio, who's to date has gotten the most severe sentence of all January 6th defendants at 22 years.

Not only was he not in the Capitol on the 6th, he wasn't even in DC. The reason he got this ridiculous 22 year charges, he was charged with and convicted of seditious conspiracy. All of the severe charges are conspiracy charges. And even though seditious conspiracy is the most serious, just about everyone remotely in Ray Epps's position would have got obstruction of an official proceeding.

But the amazing thing is, I've looked at the documents related to Tarrio. It's a very flimsy case for conspiracy in his case. But in Ray Epps's case, Epps literally acknowledges that he was involved in a conspiracy insofar as he texted his nephew saying of his involvement in January 6th, I orchestrated it. I orchestrated it. So the feds are throwing nearly two decades sentences and people with flimsy evidence of conspiracy.

And the one guy who admits that he orchestrated it and there's ample supporting evidence on video is the one person that the DOJ has bent over backward to protect and that the media, for that matter, has aggressively defended singularly amongst all of the January 6th participants. So I got to be honest, Darren, I've had a change of opinion for years. I thought, hey, it's good to have these head of these agencies publicly be asked questions in five minute intervals.

I've changed my opinion. Darren, I saw this Merrick Garland clown show the other day and they just lie and they give non-answers or they have a sudden case of, you know, forgetting amnesia. I don't remember anything. So, Darren, we got to change the way that we hold this fourth branch of government accountable. What is your reaction from that Merrick Garland hearing?

I learned nothing. I thought it was largely a waste of time. Do you share that opinion?

Yes, I do. I think, you know, as most of these things are, they're mainly useful for generating public awareness, which is not nothing, but it doesn't deliver accountability. And I think a general state of affairs that we're in now is at a very high level of public awareness.

I think people are more aware than ever how sordid and dirty and dark the regime actually is. And yet, notwithstanding this heightened awareness, there is very little, if any, a vehicle to deliver accountability for the malfeasance that we've increasingly learned about and we're learning about more and more each day. And that's part of the tension and if not paradox, certainly the frustration of our moment is we're learning more and more and we have less and less that we're actually able to do about it in terms of real accountability. And unfortunately, as we've spoken about many times, there's such a tremendous demand for easy answers to that question.

But there is no easy answer to that question as to how to deliver the infrastructure of accountability that we really need to correct what's going on in our country. So I want to play a piece of tape here. The idea that Merrick Garland doesn't know the answer to this question. He's a liar.

Play cut 51. Have you had personal contact with anyone at FBI headquarters about the Hunter Biden investigation? I don't I don't recollect the answer to that question, but the FBI works for the Justice Department. It's I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You don't recollect. You don't recollect whether you've talked with anybody at FBI headquarters about an investigation of the president's son.

I don't believe that I did. Darren, he's a liar. He's a liar.

There is no way. Your thoughts? Well, he's a liar, but he's also a lawyer. And he answered that question in a very, very rehearsed and very sophisticated fashion from a legal point of view. Oh, I don't recollect. I don't recollect.

I don't know. And then, you know, basically saying it probably happened due to the relationship between the DOJ and the FBI, but it's certainly weaseling his way out of it. You know, he thinks he's untouchable and he may be right. And I think it's important to just remind ourselves of his history. You know, this is not his first rodeo.

The system doesn't have that many people on which they can really rely who've been consistent players for the regime for decades, who know where the bodies are buried and are loyal janitors for the system. Merrick Garland is one of those people. You know, people forget he was a player as early as the 90s and he actually ran the domestic extremism portfolio for Bill Clinton, where he was, you know, really spearheaded the attack on various militia movements that were emerging in the 90s.

And, you know, much more controversially, he played a very, very disturbing role in covering up key aspects of the Oklahoma City bombing. So he's been around for a very long time. He knows the ropes. He knows what he's doing.

These figures are just recycled over and over again. You know, I just, you know, I got to interrupt. So if the IRS comes to you, OK, and you take a fraudulent deduction or a questionable, let's just say deduction on a business. And if you say to the IRS, I don't remember, I don't know, you could go to jail.

You could if you told the IRS, I don't remember the circumstances. So for a citizen to say something like that, they could go to prison. But the attorney general, the United States just gets away with it. Well, yes, I mean, that's the accountability issue as to the precise legal question of whether, you know, he perjured himself in doing that or whether it can be proven or so forth. Again, he's a lawyer. So I think, you know, he has a rehearsed way of answering these types of questions that cover his base. But like you say, it's obvious, of course, he's had these conversations. And either way, it's like if he hasn't, it's in some ways even more damning because it shows that he's asleep at the wheel and he's basically designated somebody to do his dirty work for him. So either way, it's unconscionable. And it just goes to show just how egregious these people are just in a slightly different context.

But similar in spirit, it recently came out. There's a testimony that Stephen D'Antonio had before the Judiciary Committee and all sorts of things. He was the head of the Washington Field Office of the FBI, among other things, in charge of all the J6 investigations. He is one of the many people who reserves his mercy and his sympathy singularly for Ray Epps. He was asked about Ray Epps. He said, I feel awful for Ray Epps. Awful for Ray Epps. He was asked a follow up question. Well, have you seen the video of Ray Epps's behavior on the 5th and the 6th?

He said no. Now I find that very hard to believe. But it's remarkable that the head of the FBI's J6 investigation, remember the FBI put Ray Epps as one of the first 20 people on his most wanted list due to how egregious his behavior was. There's a national conversation about the nature of Ray Epps's involvement that's very controversial.

And here you have the head of the J6 investigation saying, I feel awful for Epps and he hasn't even seen the video. Again, if he's lying, it's damning. But if he's not lying, it's even more damning because it shows how they're asleep at the wheel and they just designate underlings to do all the dirty work for them. Either way, it's totally damning to the functioning of our system. Your thoughts on Bob Menendez. What's really going on here?

Darren Beatty? Well, it's certainly interesting to see a high profile Democrat actually indicted for these particular types of charges in the behavior itself is relatively commonplace in our politics. That's how the swamp functions. But it's not lost on anyone looking at this, the parallels and similarities between what Menendez is charged with and what the Biden family has been up to for a very long time. And so there's one theory that would say this is sort of escalating the pressure on the Bidens by creating an actual precedent for indictments or teeing things up for Biden.

Although the inside baseball could be such that there's something going on completely in parallel. I think generally speaking, what we can be assured of is these types of indictments don't happen because, oh, they just found out these people are doing illegal things. This has been an open secret for a very, very long time. The fact that Menendez is being indicted now means that he's either expendable at this point, or is counterproductive, or it's somehow useful to the regime for a larger purpose, for instance, maybe teeing up indictments for Biden or putting pressure, additional pressure on the Bidens to push them off the table for 2024. Indictments like this are not what people think is that oh, there's finally accountability, has nothing to do with accountability. Accountability is the afterthought. Accountability in the regime is the collateral damage. That's one way to put it. Accountability from the regime's perspective is the collateral damage of a strategic move that will strengthen the regime's position in its own thinking.

It is also a reminder to all other 99 senators that the administrative state runs the country, that the fourth branch of government is in charge. Darren, what should happen on 930? And what do you think is going to happen on 930? Well, I think it's just a matter of wait and see. I'm not prepared to speculate that. We just have to wait and see. And keep in mind the context that I've been describing is that accountability is the collateral damage. Everything is about the strategic moves of the regime and how their positioning is themselves for 2024. It's an interesting strategic conundrum that they have with the number of moving parts. They've proven themselves to be very effective in the past.

And so we just have to see whether the machine, which is still well oiled, is as efficient as it once was as recently as four years ago. Darren Beatty, check out Revolver.News. Great job. Thanks so much. Thank you. I want to summarize our time together today by just kind of recapping the week. It started at Northern Arizona University, and it's just amazing how the media lies and misrepresents.

You know, I've been doing this for quite some time. For the last three years, do you know the problem that we've had at Turning Point USA? We have not been able to find rooms big enough to fit all the students that want to attend our campus stops, especially last semester. Ohio State packed hundreds of students we had to turn away.

Even at UC Santa Barbara had to turn away students all across the country. And yet the media comes up and they all of a sudden say, oh, my goodness. They say Charlie Kirk gets heckled.

He's not very good at this thing. These are dishonest people. And I'm sure the media will cover our upcoming campus tour. I'm sure they're going to cover all of Santa Jose State, UCF, Albany, Buffalo, Georgia Tech.

I'm sure that they're going to cover all the response we receive at Arizona State University. You guys know this, but when you really experience it on a daily basis, these are bad people. The media, they are co-conspirators in the downfall, the destruction of the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world. They don't care about truth. They care about power. They do not care about honesty. They care about revenge. These are bitter, broken, bad people that happen to have a keyboard.

It makes them important because they think they can control you and crush you. Thankfully, we do not bend a knee at the golden calf of The New York Times. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charleykirk.com.

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