The Truth About "White Flight" with Jack Cashill and Kathy Spence

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Welcome back, everybody. Email us at freedom at CharlieKirk.com. I saw this story and I thought it was incredibly important. On the EPOC, or is it EPIC? It is the Great Debate. Is it EPOC or EPIC?

I'll say EPOC times. One of the biggest organizations helping Democrats win elections. The election of state Supreme Court justices doesn't always appear to garner national attention. The article continues. Super interesting. Katie Spence is the author.

She covers various topics, focusing mainly on energy and politics for the EPOC times. And this is a really important article. Katie, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me on.

I'm happy to be here. So, Katie, this is an incredibly important article. Walk us through your findings. What is this organization and what is the story here?

Right. So when I first started looking into America Votes, it was because I was looking at the Open Society and George Soros and what he has been doing with funding. And notice this huge donation and wanted to find out what do they do and come to find out they really are this organization that is the hub when it comes to voters. They go out, they engage in the community and they try to get more people to vote early, especially people of color and the younger generations. And they are looking to advance progressive ideologies. So what exactly is this organization called again?

It is called the... It is America Votes. It's America Votes.

So if you check out America Votes and you Google it, to an untrained eye, it doesn't look overly controversial. It says they're a hub of the coordination hub of the progressive community. I believe. Are they a 501 C3 or 501 C4? I think it's 501 C4. And you know who the founder is?

Go ahead. They are a 501 C4. The founder is Cecile Richards, the former head of Planned Parenthood, and their core states are obviously where we're getting our tails kicked.

It is a massive, massive effort and they talk about all of their partners. So who exactly is funding this organization? They do not disclose who funds them. You have to find out who is funding them by going to other organizations like the 1630 Fund or the Open Society.

So there is nothing on their side that says, here's where we're getting our money. Here are the donors that give us these grants or donations, unfortunately. So America Votes had the largest ever midterm mobilization effort, and it was a key reason we did not see the red wave so many pundits had predicted. They say their partners knocked on more than 26 million doors and had nearly 5 million conversations, Ms. Dawson said. Quote, We followed that up with another 5.7 million 5.7 million doors knocked in Georgia ahead of the runoff.

Just before the summit, we knocked on more than five hundred thirty five thousand doors. Is there anybody on the right that is doing something similar to this? I don't know if they're doing it quite to the same level. I have heard the RNC is planning on looking to get out and encourage early voting. I think it's called Walk Your Vote.

What is it? Bank your vote or something. There is an effort. Yeah, there is an effort from the RNC because of what happened in the 2022 election and in 2020. So I think there is an effort to say, hey, we're going to let's get out there and do a little bit more organization. But it is not merely to the level of America. Yeah, and so they technically say they are a 501 C for social welfare organization, which we run a social welfare organization, attorney point action as well.

You know, we we know about this. So but they're also very focused on early voting and a coordination hub. What I find to be really interesting is that they're able to get a lot of these alliance organizations, AFL-CIO, App Scammy, Alliance for Youth Action. I've even heard of some of these organizations and they list them all right there. For example, the Alliance for Youth Action grows progressive people power across America by empowering local young people's organizations to strengthen our democracy, fix our economy and correct injustices through on the ground organizing.

You go through it. There's dozens of these organizations, Black Votes Matter Fund. I mean, I've even heard of all these groups. And so is America votes the central hub or do they just call themselves the central hub? This is the closest thing to, quote unquote, the offensive coordinator of the Democrat offense. So they call themselves the progressive hub. And what they're trying to do is reduce duplication efforts and to make it so there's more streamline. They say that any time a voter is engaged more than once, that's a wasted effort. So they are the central hub.

I think what you're saying, they are a self-appointed progressive leader, is that right? They're the progressive hub, like I was saying, and they want to reduce duplication efforts. They want to make sure that no one is going out twice to someone who may or may not vote.

They want to go out one time, one time only and say, hey, get your ballot. So they work with like Planned Parenthood. They work with Black Votes Matter. They work with all sorts of organizations and they give that and funding and then go out more and disperse. So they are the organization hub and they coordinate everything.

And so but they're not what's interesting is they're big, but they're not huge. What I find interesting is according to their they have a 30 million dollar budget, 40 million. Right.

Is that correct? There's other organizations that have hundreds of millions of dollars, but their role seems to be they are the appointed on the ground non duplication nonprofit. So was that a role given to them by Arab Al advisors or Democracy Alliance, or did they just kind of they just kind of grew into it? For example, they grow Emily's List. I mean, they coordinate Emily's List. They coordinate all these different groups. You can go to their website and check it out. It's rather extraordinary.

How did this happen? How long have they been in operation? Well, they started in 2003 and Cecil Richards started with them in 2004. So she's not actually one of the original founders.

She came on board after. But it started out just trying to get everything coordinated and streamlined. And I don't know if they were designated as the coordination hub or that's just what it became over time. It sounds like it more became that way over time. I don't know if you've read the blueprint which talks about what happened to politics in Colorado, where Jared Polis and a group of billionaires came in and made everything streamlined because they didn't want to waste money. They didn't want to waste effort.

So it seems like that is what happened with America Girls. They saw that there was duplicated efforts and then they streamlined it and that kind of put them in that position. I don't know if they were designated the coordination progressive hub. Yeah.

And so look, you know, at Turning Point Action, we're trying our best to create a similar hub. But most organizations on the right do not want to work together because they're afraid somebody will get the credit. That's not them.

That's how the right works. The article is terrific. I encourage you guys to check it out. In-depth, one of the biggest organizations helping Democrats win elections. Thank you so much.

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Life advice, reject your commie professors. And he just says, comes out swinging, and by the way, climate change is the number one thing you have. Not climate change, the reaction to climate change.

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That's right. This is a debated fact. Is there a climate crisis or not? Scientist John Clauser, who won a Nobel Prize in physics last year, have been scheduled to give a speech at a climate seminar hosted by the International Monetary Fund. John Clauser has come out and he said the climate crisis is a hoax.

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It's hard to disagree. There's really no ugly places of Washington unless you drive down to Pullman. Spokane to Pullman is not the most beautiful drive in America. It is an objectively beautiful state. Every corner of it, lakes, rivers, valleys, mountains, and waterfalls.

It's just an incredible place. And so Jay Inslee is kind of the Archbishop of Earth Worship, otherwise known as the governor of Washington. Listen to what he's saying. He's saying we're inventing a new economy. This is a central planner's dream.

He's going to call the shots. We're going to say what is permissible activity. When you secularize society, it doesn't stay godless. You replace it with pseudo-fabricated religions. So as America becomes less Christian, as America becomes less Judeo-Christian in our value system, we just go back to Earth Worship, the very thing the Bible was written to refute.

Clay cut five. It's very exciting what's going on right now in inventing a new economy. And we're doing that right in Washington state, and people are getting great jobs because of this. So there's two parts to this story. This thing is now the age of consequences. The bomb has gone off.

But we do have the ability to restrain fossil fuels if we make the commitments we need to. Inventing. That's a new word. I have not heard a politician use the word invent. It reminds me of create. Invent and create are very similar. He looks at himself as a godlike figure, that he gets to make new out of nothing.

Ex nihilo. This is creeping up on us, and from the built-in premise of the climate hoax is carbon is bad. Okay, well, carbon is life, actually. You can't have anything without carbon at all, literally. Life is built on carbon. So they say, well, carbon dioxide is bad. How much carbon dioxide is bad? Don't plants thrive on carbon dioxide? The earth is greener than any other time.

It has been in the history of the world. What is causing rising global temperatures? These people are arrogant enough to believe, but they actually know it at their core. They know it's not a climate crisis. They see it as an excuse to justify a totalitarian administrative state power grab over our free freedom and liberty.

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And when he gets on, I'm going to read an excerpt up here and it will segue perfectly into our segment. But the sloppiness that goes into people's analysis of everything can be blamed on racism is very, very harmful. Thomas Sowell dedicated his best book, which is Discrimination and Disparities, on this idea that if there is a disparity, racism is not necessarily to blame. In fact, it's probably not to blame.

If you're able to ever introduce other explanations for disparities, the regime becomes less powerful. Look at the Jason Aldean thing. Jason Aldean is out there playing country music and they say he must be a racist. Now they only throw out the Frisbee of racism if it's helpful for them.

They don't do that when they obviously act in bigoted and terrible ways. And so now we have Jack Cashel, which is great. Jack, welcome to the program. Thank you. I'm going to read this part of your book.

I think it's a great segue. I asked one lifelong friend, a rare Democrat among the displaced, why he and his widowed mother finally left our block in the early 1970s, 20 years after the first black family moved in. He searched a minute for the right set of words and he simply said, quote, it became untenable when I asked what he meant by untenable. He answered when your mother gets mugged for the second time, that's untenable.

When your home gets broken into the second time, that's untenable. In researching this project, I found myself repeatedly stunned by the failure of self-described experts on white flight to ask those accused of fleeing why they had fled. The reason the experts didn't ask, I discovered is because they were afraid of what they might learn. What did you learn and what were people afraid of learning Jack Cashel?

Learning Charlie. That's an excellent quote to begin with because my friend's story, Times a Million, is a story of white flight. There's an op-ed in the New York Times just a few years ago that I found actually kind of amusing. This woman named Leah Bustan, professor at Princeton, award-winning author of a book on white flight, she imagines herself like a democratic strategist right after Trump's victory in 2016 saying, what caused it? Was it economic insecurity or was it just pure racism?

And so she concludes there's a mixture of the both. And then she ends her article by saying, you know, the odd thing is that none of these people left accounts and they probably don't even know why they left, right? I just interviewed 50 people who knew exactly why they left and they were prepared to tell her. Now, you know, going to the comment section in the New York Times, distrusting New York Times readers, but one after another, the commenters gave these harrowing, hair-raising stories about why they were forced to leave neighborhoods they loved. And they said, how can you possibly, several of them said, how can you possibly write an article about white flight without mentioning crime or schools? And that really cut to the heart of it because the people who are sending the narrative have never talked to the people who were the victims of their narrative.

Why do you think that is? You know, I think because there's a deep case of 60s denialism going on. There's several phenomena that happened in more or less in the 60s that they're responsible for, one of which was the, you know, these variety of social programs that made it impractical to have a married husband in the house.

The other was the moral loosening in a culture that made it acceptable to not have a married husband in the house, but to have children outside of marriage. And the combination of the two, Charlie, led to a collapse of the black family and with it a crumbling of inner city black culture that no one wants to talk about. So the consensus of academia, I go to a college campus and they'll say, one of the reasons why black America struggles is because of, quote unquote, white flight. This amount of people that left, let's just take my home city of Chicago, right? Certain cities that used to be white working class.

You know, I think of Cicero. I think of, you know, where the book The Jungle was written, right? Kind of south. You know, it was it was very Polish, very Czechoslovakian, very Bohemian and very Irish. And it's not very much that way anymore. The only acceptable explanation when you mention this is because the Czechoslovakians and the Poles were racist.

What you're saying, though, is that, well, no, it's actually because their homes and their communities, their local churches and the places they loved became unrecognizable. Build that out. You know. Right.

Sure. And I'll give you a couple of Chicago examples because I talk about them in the book. One is Michelle Obama. You know, her family, her father is a ward healer, a precinct captain for the Daily Machine. And they're living pretty comfortably in an enclave called Parkway Gardens, which was a co-op, you know, a very high end black co-op. Their neighborhood collapses around them. So Michelle's mother, Marianne Robinson, is good responsible parent, refuses to send Michelle and her brother Craig to the neighborhood public school, even though it's brand new. And they send them to a neighborhood in South Shore, which is you probably know, which at that time was still it had been Jewish and it was transitioning.

No, that's right. But the schools. And it was a classy misdemeanor to do what Marianne Robinson did, which was to drive her children 15 minutes away from their neighborhood to go to a school that wasn't in their neighborhood. They went to Whitney. Yeah.

I think she went to Whitney Young High School. I'm not mistaken. Yeah.

For high school. Yeah. And what they did with Brother Craig, because there's an all black high school down the street.

But for Craig, Marianne took a second job to send him to a Catholic school, even though they weren't Catholic. So everyone was affected by the collapse of the culture, the inner city culture, blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics. Yeah. It's only that whites were singled out for shame. Well, that's right. So talk also about the and again, I'm just going to keep going back to Chicago's.

I think Chicago, I mean, Detroit's a good example, but Chicago is one I know really well. So you have these 1960 programs where crime exploded, illegitimacy exploded. You had moral chaos explosion. And you know, we kind of memory hold how catastrophic the 1960s were from a public policy standpoint. One of the things that also happened, though, was Caprini Green and this idea of public projects and vertical housing and almost forced assimilation, which I mean, if anyone knows where Caprini Green is, it wasn't it wasn't near Comiskey. Caprini Green was on the north side in the most unusual place. Talk about kind of central planners that went nuts with this idea of forced assimilation and the consequences of that. And, you know, it's interesting question, Charlie, because we're going through that again.

Yes, we are again. And you're right, Caprini Green is a desirable neighborhood. In fact, oddly, Michelle Obama was part of the the team that tore it down. And this place all those people live. But yeah, it was a they would they had this idea and have you know what happens in my native Newark?

I saw it up close in Chicago as well. The dreamers meet the schemers, right? So the dreamers think, oh, we have nice new buildings, we can change people's lives. The schemers are saying, huh, I got a demolition company that can make some bucks off this exactly and build this up. So they build these high rises.

Here's the thing that we they they won't acknowledge is that initially they worked for the first few years. They worked as long as the families in those buildings were intact nuclear families. And I found this one book that was very useful for me was a story by a book by an unpublished book by a guy named George Langston Cook, who was a who grew up in Columbus homes, which is New York, New Jersey's most notorious project for the first few years he was there. He said it was heaven, you know, because always all nuclear families, blah, blah, blah, everyone got along. Milk men came to the door, read house calls, you know, the buildings were everything was beautiful at work, maintenance was spectacular. And then he says he's a black guy and he's, you know, from a family of six. And he's saying then then then the welfare families started coming into these buildings.

So it wasn't so much the buildings as it was the families and then the concentration of those families and a cloistering. That's exactly right. Yes. And they want to do that now, which is crazy.

Yeah. I mean, we don't need to go too far down that rabbit hole. But Caprini Green was so interesting. It was home to 15000 people and it was in this desirable neighborhood right near Streeterville.

And it's stuck out like a sore thumb. I remember growing up, Caprini Green was still in somewhat of existence. It was demolished, I think, in 2010, 2011. But you did not get near it. You did not get within two blocks of it. And it was the center of all this gang activity. It was it was cloistered like black gang activity.

And what otherwise was a super, super nice neighborhood. So we have about a minute remaining. Why does it matter to tell the story accurately on white flight? What is just isn't this just kind of a silly coffee table academic exercise? Why does it matter to tell the truth about this? What are the consequences of this? Well, you know, just as you suggested, Charlie, the consequences are that we're repeating our mistakes and we think we can change human nature by, you know, with a magic wand and we cannot. And but I wanted to write this book to vindicate those millions of people from New York to Chicago to Detroit to Milwaukee.

They need to be able to explain it to their children as to why they are where they are and how they got there. That's so smart. Yeah. No, I don't. And that's my.

No. So I mean, on my on my mom's side, the my great grandmother grew up in a Polish working class family in a neighborhood now where if you got you got near it, you get shot like you have a better chance to get shot than anything else. It's it's about 20 blocks south of Comiskey Park, right near 47th Street or 51st or one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago.

And then on my wife's side, her family grew up in Chicago, right near Midway Airport, which is still a little bit working class, but it's largely been. And there is this kind of sort of Damocles where you send your kids off to college and they believe that now they go back and tell their grandparents you were racist. It's actually it is vindicating your ancestors what you're doing. I think that's really smart. And it's so important. Hey, Charlie Kirk here, if you guys love this program and you want to support this program, if we have impacted or blessed your life in any way, I want to tell you about a new thing that we are starting it up. First of all, if you have supported us at Charlie Kirk dot com slash support, nothing to worry about, you guys are going to be moved on over if you want to support us even more and say, hey, I want exclusive content.

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So Jack Cashel is with us. So Jack, in your historical estimation, why is it that blacks have such high? Why are they why are the single motherhood rates so great in the black community? It's you know, they were somewhat vulnerable as the last immigrant group to come to America and to come to the cities, I should say. The Italians, Poles, the Irish had gotten there in the early part of the 20th century. Then they cut off immigration in 1924 from the south and east of Europe. So the but the black great migration continues into the cities. And when they start arriving in the cities, the kind of the the ethos is changing away from becoming a nation where people are held responsible for their own behavior to one where the social workers, et cetera, rushing and saying, you're not at fault.

It's the system's fault. We can help you. We'll give you food stamps. We'll give you welfare. We'll give you reduced rents and we'll give you, oh, just about and Medicaid.

The only catch is you can't have a married man in the household. And it was their late arrival into the cities that made them as vulnerable as they were. And it was. Yes. So the tailored policy programs by Lyndon Baines Johnson and others were subsidizing single motherhood. Is that a fair way to say it? That's absolutely right. And it was happening at the same time Hollywood was saying, oh, it's OK to be a single mother.

And we'd see some movie star with a child and it was all hunky dory as in the net result was. And, you know, it's curious. I've spent a lot of time in Ireland. I'm seeing that they're among their native white populations. You know, they introduce welfare and the culture breaks down. So some American was a tourist was nearly killed there the other day. And it was native kids from fatherless homes.

And it's a sure recipe. You know, the we had one moment, though, Charlie, where we could have turned the tide. And that came in 2008. Barack Obama is running for president. I don't remember this, but he was in Chicago, the Apostolic Church side. And he gives us brilliant Father's Day address. And he's a good father. He said it's a good role model. And he says to them, he says, if we're to be honest with ourselves, we have to admit that the real problem in our community is the absence of fathers in the household. Too many boys, too many men are acting like boys and abandoning their responsibilities. And then he goes through the litany of of crises that occur when fatherlessness is omnipresent.

Ten times more likely to end up in prison, you know, 12 times more likely to commit crime, 20 times more likely to end up in poverty, etc., etc., down the whole list. It was an excellent speech, the kind of speech you should have been giving. He was a candidate then in 2008, Father's Day, Hillary's head of the race. He's moving to the center. And Jesse Jackson gets picked up on a hot mike two weeks later at a Fox News studio as though Jesse didn't know he was going to be picked up. And there he was. And I will spare your audience exactly what he said, but it was brutal and and it came with a cutting motion and Barack Obama never said anything about fatherlessness in any serious way again.

I mean, just cut it off. So I mean, without getting too deep into the motivations, but a minute remaining, why is it that the Democrat Party is at odds with fathers? I mean, is it as Machiavellian as if father rate if fathers go back into the homes and they're publicly advocated, the tyrants become less powerful? Well, the black single females is the single greatest cohort, the most dependable cohort in the party. And they're married to the government now and they know it. And if that government turns on them and the Democratic Party turns on them, they'll have to rethink everything. Look what they did to Robert Kennedy the other day.

They can't. Their best card is the race card and they'll pull it even on their own. That's right. And we're going to have you back on, Jack, because you talk about topics that it seems like you don't care when people call you the R word. I tell you, the super weapon that we have against these toxic Marxist movement is just not care when they call you a racist, just don't care.

And all of a sudden they become significantly less powerful. Final thoughts. Jack, you were absolutely right about that. I, I participated in a I live in Kansas City in a debate on reparations televised debate.

They couldn't find the second person to be on my side to look far and wide. And I said, sure. Bring it on. I'll take it on. Yeah. In Kansas. Yeah. I mean, I'll by the way, I'll join you at any time. That would be really fun. What's hilarious is that 80 percent of Kansas agrees with you.

They can't find a single person because they don't want to be called a racist. Jack Kashel, we're going to have you back on. You're great. Thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us your thoughts. There's always freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com.

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