The Problem with Whiteness at University of Chicago with Daniel Schmidt

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Get this guy on the show. He has something important to say, and I'm interested on multiple levels. So, Daniel Schmidt, student at University of Chicago, exposes this story.

You've kind of seen this cable news segment over and over again, right? Campus bias, campus insanity. But Daniel exposed something that is more than just, quote unquote, campus insanity. There's three parts to this conversation.

I'm going to try to keep it as organized as possible. First, the obvious anti-white beliefs that are seeping into academia and the rest of the country. The war on white people continues. Number two, the memory holding of it, which is fascinating. And then number three, which is University of Chicago and how they present themselves to the rest of the country. Daniel Schmidt, welcome to the program, student at University of Chicago. Thank you for your courage to speak out against this. Let's get our facts right. What is being taught at the University of Chicago?

Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. I think you're exactly right when you call this a war on white people. That's what it is. So basically what happened was I was registering for classes last year and I went to the list and I found a class called The Problem of Whiteness. And I mean, just take a second to really consider what this class is saying, that there is a solution to white people or whiteness. I mean, it's totally anti-white. As you said, it's totally insane.

And if you go even a step further, if you read the Quarks description, it said whiteness is a problem with road making and raising effect. The professor teaching it is some nasty woman who specializes in Denmark. I mean, none of it makes any sense whatsoever. And so after I exposed the class on my Twitter, which is what I've been using Twitter for, the professor filed two separate complaints to get me expelled. She said I led a harassment campaign against her. I was inciting violence, all this crazy stuff. And yeah, that's what happens if you speak up about this stuff. And that's what they're teaching at a school like this, and I'm sure around the world. Yeah, I just I want to ask a question. Do you feel as if that hating white people is socially acceptable at University of Chicago?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, not just University of Chicago, but everywhere. Let me get a bit of a bit of an anecdote. So I come from a middle class household, nothing special. I get to use Chicago, which is considered one of the elite universities in America. Within my first month, I'm told I can't participate in a debate tournament because I'm white. This debate tournament was only open to non-white people. And of course, the people telling me this went to fancy boarding schools in New England.

I went to a mediocre public high school in Tennessee. They're the ones calling me privileged. It's not about any privilege.

It's not about any stats or any class. It's pure racial hatred toward white people. And it's everywhere. Absolutely. OK, so now the story gets interesting. Not that that's not interesting. It's super important. And I want to dive into that and the dynamics behind it. I find it to be super important. And thank you for being willing to speak out against this.

Most people cower in fear. And I know they're going nuts against you. By the way, before I forget this, I told my team to tell you I will come and speak on campus, University of Chicago, free of charge.

I'm from the suburbs of Chicago. You let me know. I'll be there.

We'll make it happen. But this is where it gets interesting. You go on to Stuart Varney's program. Love Stuart Varney. He's been really good to me over the last decade. He's been excellent. But I think that some people at the top levels didn't like this segment.

You did great. Listen to this, because something interesting happened after this play cut one of seven. I mean, this is you know, it's not an exaggeration to say we are entering straight up anti-white, genocidal rhetoric, maybe.

I mean, let me give you one more example. That's a psychiatrist spoke at Yale and said she has fantasies of murdering white people. Imagine being a white person in the audience, looking around. Your classmates are nodding in agreement. So seriously, if you're a white student, speak up.

The time is now because things are only going to get worse. They're going to treat me like this. But there needs to be more students like me. OK, so obviously nothing wrong with that. And by the way, yes, that's not an isolated example.

Do we have that clip just to reinforce it? What happened after that, Daniel? Yeah. So, you know, I went on and as you said, Stuart Varney, incredible guy.

Nice to meet. So nothing against him. I went on and then Fox Business posted the video to their YouTube channel. And within a week, it got over a hundred thousand views. You know, totally positive reception.

People in the comments were thanking me, saying thank you for saying what a lot of white people are thinking now. And it seemed all well. Then I checked a week later, exactly a week later, and the video was private and not on YouTube. So totally gone there.

And even on the website, Fox Business dot com, totally scrapped. And I was given no notice. I'm not sure exactly why. I can speculate why.

But totally memory holds. And I'm assuming now I'm on a blacklist or something. But that's exactly what happened. Well, just speculate. Why do you think what you said is objectionable? Well, I think, you know, as I said, white people are not expected to speak up for white people. I think every other race can do it. And that's good for them. But if you go on national TV and you say what is happening at elite universities, which I had witnessed, which is the promotion of white genocidal rhetoric, like I said, a Yale psychiatrist said she has fantasies of murdering white people. I mean, this is absolutely insane. If you just say that, I'm assuming there was some pressure, maybe some advertisers, maybe some higher ups said, yeah, we're not allowed to endorse that.

That's still too far. We don't want to be called white nationalists or any other scare tactic. And as you said in the opening, I mean, it's just I want to live in a decent country and then I have to be lectured about an abolition of an entire race as if that's acted like that's not that that's disgusting. It's vile. Sorry, Daniel.

Continue. No, you're exactly right. And I think it just exposes the cowardice on our side. There are many great people. There are people who are exposing the truth and fighting for what is right. But you have these people on the top who maybe care more about what the left thinks about them or what advertisers think about them. And what I want to emphasize is it's not like Fox's audience was opposed to this. Right.

This video had one hundred thousand views, totally positive perception. They did it. Tucker, they did it to someone like me.

I'm just a random college kid. They don't even care what their base wants anymore. They're totally answering to these advertisers, to these people who have the American people forgotten. I mean, it's totally sick. And as you're right, we need to just move on and just stop being crybabies. That's what it is. So now this is the third element I want to talk to you about.

And again, you tell me time and date. I'll come and I'd love to have a chat at University of Chicago. So is the university. So in you know, we raise a lot of money at Turning Point USA.

We're super blessed. A portion of our donors are giving money to University of Chicago, a lot of money because University of Chicago has gone on a PR campaign saying they're the most free speech school. I'm sure you've heard this right. That they're free speech and they're free speech and they're free speech. In fact, there's like the University of Chicago speech policy and the president of University of Chicago sent out this statement. And you're right, University of Chicago is an unofficial Ivy League, right?

It's a great school, very hard to get into. But do you find that University of Chicago has a culture of speech where you're allowed to express heterodox ideas? Well, it's funny because that's actually the main reason why I went to UChicago was the free speech. I wanted to go somewhere where I could say something and not get expelled.

I will say this, as I said earlier, this professor that I exposed who was teaching this class is called the problem of whiteness. She filed two separate complaints to get me expelled and my school did reject them. I don't know if that would have happened anywhere else. So I do have to commend my school for that.

I know that seems insane, but I mean, things are crazy now. You know, I will say it's not just about the administration, though. It's about how safe the students feel. In fact, I think at my school and maybe other schools, a lot more pressure now comes from the student.

Right. If you speak up, these students will dox you. They'll call you out to try to cancel you. Which is the most ironic thing, right? When a white student like me called out an anti white professor, I have the New York Times writing a hit piece about me calling me a bully. I have CNN calling me a bully. How often do these BLM activists ruin people's lives?

Like every day? This is important. And this is important.

These are sadists. And I mean, you're strong. You got 50,000 followers.

We have your back 100 percent. But this New York Times, the New York Times is threatened by a college kid. No offense. What are you, 19 or 20 years old? Right.

I mean, you're 19 years old. The New York Times is threatened by a college kid who goes on a cable news segment and says, look at this. I want you to think about how sick these people are.

They find joy in using their strength to crush people smaller than them. Right. I mean, it's just a 19 year old that goes on TV and says, oh, by the way, there's a class that's offered called the problem with whiteness. Well, what's the solution? I mean, if the problem is whiteness, what is the solution? And it's not just there.

By the way, we have a whole professor watch list where we go through these elements one by one. And this is in corporate America. Remember at Coca-Cola, they had an entire diatribe where they said, you know, the the whiteness is the problem in America. And, you know, it's white culture and all this. Like, hold on a second.

Time out here. Like what? And you have to use the The New York Times. Not as if there's nothing going on in the world. We got UFOs. We got, you know, Mitch McConnell short circuiting. We got dead chefs in Martha's Vineyard. Like there's a lot of stories you could be investigating. No, The New York Times has to go write a hit piece about a 19 year old college kid who committed the crime of noticing that there's anti white curriculum being offered.

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These kids are going to be our future elite in the next 10, 20 years. So what they're being taught now, this anti white stuff, this anti religion stuff, this common sense stuff, that's how they're going to enter the real world. That's how they're going to enter politics, business, and they're going to act on that stuff. So I think you're right. That actually may be more important because that's actually going to influence the thought process of our next politicians, next businessmen, etc.

So, yeah, I think I would agree with that. Yeah, and it's just look, a lot of people donate to University of Chicago and you're subsidizing curriculum selection like the problem with whiteness. So you mentioned this, I believe, on the interview that got memory hold where this professor says you must take those MRFers out. The white people. Just take out white people. Take them out.

Play cut 110. This is a professor. Look, I think that white people are committed to being villains in the aggregate, right? One, I think that white people viscerally fear. It's not that white people don't know, right, what they have done. They know.

They fear that there is no other way to be human, but the way in which they are human. The thing I want to say to you is we got to take these motherf***ers out. I could just see her dissertation.

We got to take those out. So that's actually a Rutgers professor. Tell us about the Yale example because we're digging for that one. Yeah, so it was a Yale psychiatrist. It was a guest speaker. She spoke at Yale and she told the audience, it was actually a future doctor. These are future doctors she's speaking to and she told them, I have fantasies of shooting white people in the head.

If you Google it, you should find it. I believe Barry Weiss was the one who exposed it, actually. As I said in the Fox Business Interview, imagine you're a white person. You're in this audience.

You're looking around and everyone is nodding in agreement or not doing anything. I spent probably a whole day trying to find, okay, did a single Yale student protest? Did a single one complain about it, say anything about it?

I couldn't find anything. Now, of course, if you're some right-wing person, you go to Yale, you're going to have a whole protest. You're going to have people demanding the school kick you out. You go to Yale, you say, I want to murder white people.

Oh, it's all fine. And again, these are future doctors. So just like that Rutgers professor, imagine the next, I don't know, AOC is in that audience. You're saying, wow, she has a really good point.

You get the public office, you're going to start advocating for this stuff. I mean, it's, you know, it's scary. Yeah, you have a good point of genocide. I mean, it is what it is. No, that's the way they're speaking. That's exactly right, Dan. And by the way, it's not an exaggeration, right?

You say that, the media loses their mind. Like, okay, let's go a piece of evidence. Quote, I had fantasies of unloading a revolver into the head of any white person that got in my way. Burying their body and wiping my bloody hands as I walked away relatively guiltless with a bounce in my step.

Like I did the world a favor. Continue. Dr. Kealani from Yale continues and says, trying to talk to people, white people is a, quote, waste of breath. Dr. Kealani, a doctor at Yale University, said, quote, we are asking a demented, violent predator who thinks that they are a saint or a superhero to accept responsibility.

Ain't going to happen. They have five holes in their brain. Could you imagine if we talked about another race that way? I mean, yeah. And, you know, we can say, can you imagine?

And I agree with that. But I think it's past the point of like, what about ism? I mean, this is sick.

I mean, this is totally sick. And the right just needs to be honest about it. The conservative movement needs to just address it head on. This is white genocidal rhetoric. They can call me whatever they want. Because I know I'm not.

I know what's in my heart. And the fact that I go on Fox and I provide a clear cut example and I say this is white genocide and then they delete the interview a week later. I mean, it's just sick. I mean, and I see Fox's audience all agree with me. They agree with you. They want something done about this.

And then are supposed to, you know, the big corporations that are supposed to represent us just fail. I mean, we need to just we need to just say enough is enough. I mean, I don't know what else to do at this point. Yeah. I mean, what you have to do is speak the truth.

Final question. How has been the reaction amongst your classmates throughout all this? Yeah, well, I mean, it should go without saying, but I'm one of the only conservative voices at my school. I've had people call me the worst my campus has to offer.

I've had people say things about me, but I will say that I also have received a lot of secret messages from students, even professors saying, I really appreciate what you're doing. I commend you. So I do want to leave with this. I know this seems hopeless. It seems bleak, but I do think we've gotten to the point where it's so obvious. It's so in our face now.

Problem of whiteness. I want to shoot white people in the head that I think you're going to see more and more people who may not even be conservative, maybe be centrist, you know, not really into politics. They're going to start speaking up. They're going to start realizing this is wrong. And that's what I'm noticing.

Yeah, exactly. There is still some hope here, and I hope that things do change. All right, Daniel, if we can help you, let us know. Keep fighting. Thank you. Thanks so much.

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Fill out the quick form and they'll get you back with answers, andrewandtodd.com. So Bobby Kennedy Jr., RFK Jr., has really been disrupting the Democrat primary. And he's asking really good questions, and he had a town hall with Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity's great.

Sean has always been really good to me and really kind and sweet. We disagree on the Ukraine issue, obviously, but that's okay. Disagreement is what makes life fun. Sean Hannity had RFK Jr. What was fascinating is that on a Hannity town hall, you saw in real time, the audience was more with RFK Jr. than the traditional kind orthodoxy of republicanism, and that is reflective, of course, of the Turning Point Action Poll. So I want to play a couple of these pieces of tape, which I just find so interesting, of RFK Jr. on Sean Hannity's town hall. And good for Sean Hannity for hosting him for a variety of reasons. I found it to be much-lost television. In fact, I found it to be more interesting than some of the other presidential town halls that have been happening recently.

So we skated by it super quickly, and we didn't get a chance to really dive into it. But let's start with the stuff we can agree on. 68, RFK Jr. on pandemics. This is where he's at his best. Now, I do not think RFK is going to be the Democrat nominee. I don't even know if RFK will win a single state. But if RFK can even get 20% or 30%, that is a significant chip-off of Joe Biden. The media is doing everything they possibly can to ignore RFK. And it's only making him bigger. It's only making him stronger. He was once smeared and slandered as, oh, he's an anti-vax activist.

He's now getting known as a thoughtful anti-establishment thinker. Now, before, let me just suspend my cheerleading for RFK Jr. Totally screwed up this Moms for Liberty thing. I'm really disappointed in him. I texted him that privately. I say that publicly. Total mess-up.

Not smart, man. I mean, he calls him a hate group. He also says I'm going to be the most pro-LGBT president in history.

Yeah, that dog does not hunt on The Charlie Kirk Show. But we believe in nuance, not just one team good, one team bad. Sometimes people can say both good things and bad things, and you have to be honest about that. And I think RFK says far more good things than bad things, even though he's had a very clumsy couple weeks. Those are just a couple examples that I could name. Cut 68, RFK Jr. talks about the three-letter agencies.

If there was something where I think he's at his best at, it is this PlayCut 68. We've had the WHO, CDC, the DHS, and all the three-letter agencies have thought about pandemics for 100 years, and they've worked very, very carefully on pandemic preparedness protocols, and all of those protocols said you never lock down a population. What they were doing violated all of the orthodoxies.

Of course it did. Now, if you understand the doctrine of war, an illegitimate regime, the deep state, they need a perpetual crisis. It has to be one crisis to the other. Sometimes it's a foreign crisis, sometimes it's a domestic crisis.

I want you to think deeply about this. Has there been a time post-9-11 where the country was not at a heightened state of crisis? The only time that I could think of, quite honestly, was for a couple years when Trump was president. 2018 and 19, yeah, they were tumultuous in the sense of domestic politics and the yammering of low-IQ Washington, D.C. shills. But, you know, 2017 and 18 and 19, you had Mueller and the Russia stuff, but it was the closest we've been towards non-phrenetic crisis, and we have not returned to that. Think about 2001 through 2006 was Afghanistan, Iraq, the surge, Petraeus. 2007, 2008 was the global financial crisis, which was obviously largely triggered because of bad monetary and fiscal policy. Maybe 2012, 13, and 14, we weren't in, like, absolute crisis when Obama was president, to be perfectly honest. But then, any years that we head off, boy, COVID changed everything, and now we are in this just widespread non-stop rolling crisis, and that is a sign that there is an illegitimate regime. When you can't detach from the idea of an emergency, that means there's a group of people who are afraid they're going to lose power. The emergency powers keep them in office.

It keeps them entrenched, and it keeps them necessary. And so Bobby Kennedy is saying this, and he says it really well, all the three-letter agencies have thought about pandemics for 100 years, and they've worked very carefully on pandemic preparedness. Let's go to Cut 67, Robert Kennedy Jr. on the Democrat Party.

Play Cut 67. I will say, whether he's up to it or not, whether he's making his own decisions, the decisions that are coming out of the White House are bad decisions. And, you know, the Democratic Party does not censor people, in my experience. We're not the party of war. We're not the party of the neocons dictating foreign policy. We're the party of the middle class, and we're the party of working people, and that's not where the party is anymore. Now, I find it interesting that the audience applauded that, because he is now trying to recenter the Democrat Party to be what actually the MAGA base is, not from necessarily a policy perspective, but at least from a representative standpoint. Who's in charge? The Democrat Party has become this unsustainable, temporary fusion of two groups, elite, hyper-educated, wealthy, white, secular, liberals, and government-dependent minorities.

That's the fusion. It is upper-middle class, white, liberal, secular, college-educated. Think of suburbs of Denver, Minnetka, Auburn Hills, Haverford. Think of Greenwich, Connecticut.

Those kind of neighborhoods. So basically, it's the ideological believers, the zealots, that read the New York Times. I know, I read the New York Times every day, so you don't have to. To actually believe this stuff, it requires a college degree.

To have the secret gnosis, the secret knowledge, understand what the heck they're saying. It's just a bunch of garbage. Fused together with people addicted to the payoffs that keep those believers in power. That's the temporary marriage, and I don't think that's sustainable.

I don't think it's sustainable for a couple reasons. Number one, I think the trans thing could be a glitch in the matrix with black men. Honestly, black women are so unbelievably loyal to the Democrat Party, it's not going to happen anytime soon.

All you have to do is win one in five black men. By the way, Tucker Carlson's conversation with Ice Cube, super interesting. He didn't say he liked Trump, or didn't have really good things to say about Biden, black men, I think, are poised to defect from the Democrat Party in big numbers. So what Kennedy is saying, he's saying, look, this is what the Democrat Party should stand for. We're not the party of neocons.

Well, that's not true. Neocons have completely taken over the Democrat Party. In fact, the Democrat Party is more on board with what's happening in Ukraine than what is happening in the Republican Party. Here's a good question for you. If you put together the largest Democrat activist convention or event, the largest one, and you let them all speak, and then you took a straw poll of 7,000 of them, what percentage of them would support U.S. involvement in Ukraine? Probably 50-50, at like the absolute best reading, but I think it would be 70-30 in support of intervention. It was 96% against at our Turning Point Action Conference, which segues into RFKs talking about NATO and talking about Ukraine.

Play cut 66. James Baker, who is then Secretary of State under Bush, famously promised, we will not move NATO one inch to the east. Well, since then, we've moved it 1,000 miles in 14 countries. Now, when we started that plan in 1997, Bill Perry, who was the Secretary of Defense under Clinton, said to the Clinton administration, if you move NATO to the east, I am resigning because you are forcing the Russians to come to war with us. George Kennan, who is the most important diplomat in American history, the architect of the containment policy during World War II, said the same thing. You do not need to make an enemy out of Russia. Russia should be treated the way we won the Cold War.

Why are we treating Russia like an enemy? I'm telling you, there is something, it might not happen this election cycle, the bad guys might win. There is a realignment happening in real time, and this is beyond right versus left. There is so much, well, it's what I call buffet line politics is about to occur. The way politics has been working is, look at the menu, you get the red menu or the blue menu. And increasingly, the populist is kind of doing buffet line politics. Well, I kind of like what he says here, and I don't like that, and I certainly don't like that, but I want more of that. You can customize almost anything in life, and I'm not recommending multiple parties or whatever, but I'm saying that there is an imbalance, there is an incompatibility with this. If one in five black men who usually vote, that's important, if one in five black men who usually vote, vote for Donald Trump and or vote for Cornel West, this could easily be won by Donald Trump.

One in five black men, one in five black men. I'm going to play some pieces of tape here, Cornel West, but the takeaway is this. If you think that politics as we know it is going to continue, you're wrong.

I don't know what that looks like. It could be multiple parties, multiple options, no labels, people transferring parties. When you get out of a crisis, people's politics can get very weird and strange, unpredictable, especially in the era of technology where some of them go viral in a moment's notice. Do not be surprised if one of these candidates catch fires. Do not underestimate them.

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I mean, we agree on some stuff. His foreign policy stuff is interesting. But I'll tell you, if he wants to, he could really throw a curveball into this presidential race, specifically in Georgia and Wisconsin.

Cornel West is an intellectual from Princeton. He speaks the language of black resentment politics better than anybody else. He's really talented at channeling resentment in the black community.

He calls it justice and truth and all that. But do not underestimate resent-driven politics, especially from a talented black politician. Do not underestimate that.

The Democrat Party should be very nervous about it. So let me just play some pieces of tape. This guy, he's got a good shtick.

He is talented. You got this with RFK Jr. Again, we're keeping our eye on the landscape because people say, how do we win? How do we win? I think, look, the Republican Party is a waste of time, but you're looking at it too binary. I think we're going to have this mess.

I think we're going to have this potpourri. If you think you know what the race is going to look like, you're wrong. I'm not saying that Cornel West is going to become president. That's not going to happen. Could Cornel West win a couple hundred thousand votes in Atlanta?

Yes. People do not like Joe Biden. This race is ripe to be shattered apart. Ripe to be shattered apart, which would improve Donald Trump's chances significantly because Donald Trump's 40 to 45 percent is immovable.

There is nothing that will move that. Don't underestimate this guy. They're going to do everything they can to social media, suppress him, to de-bank him. This is a glitch in the matrix, even more than RFK Jr., especially in the states of Wisconsin and Atlanta, where there are significant black population. Remember, in 2016, McMuffin and Jill Stein and Ron Johnson, they all got third party votes. That very well could have helped Donald Trump. Cut 70, he's got this black preacher voice. You've got to admit, this is some powerful stuff.

Play Cut 70. The Democratic Party is so un-socratic, as well as undemocratic. I'm still upset because they didn't treat my dear brother Bernie right twice. But they're un-socratic.

Examine yourself. Examine why it is you did not speak to the issues of poor and working people, and therefore your loss. If you'd rather lose than really change and examine yourself, then you're going to have third parties popping up all over the place. And what's the discourse? We want to win the next election and we're concerned about the spoiler. Hey, I thought you were concerned about public life.

I thought you were concerned about the quality of the life of citizens. Ooh, he's smooth. He's smooth. This guy has made a career, a successful career, communicating. Again, he's got a whole book. One of his books is called Race Matters.

OK. No, it doesn't. Put that aside. If he comes on the show, I'm not even going to debate him because I think that's largely a waste of time. I'd be more interested just to learn about why he's running and where we can agree. Because the disagreements are...

I could do that with anybody. In 1971, he continues part of the challenge. Again, he calls Trump a gangster and a neo-fascist, whatever. He can win black voters. He can go into Atlanta and he can say, brothers and sisters, the truth and justice party.

And he could do the black preacher thing in the South, whoo, against Joe Biden who can't even talk. This is an interesting thing. White liberals have fomented rage and used black rage to give themselves political power. Be careful. You created this political machine built on black resentment. And now it could be used against you, white liberals.

Play cut 71. Well, I mean, part of the challenge, my dear sister, is that, you know, you got Trump. He's certainly a gangster, neo-fascist.

He's in many ways promoting, not promoting, that's too strong a word. One effect of his work is to move toward a second civil war. With Biden, he's better in some ways on domestic issues, but he's leading us toward a third world war. So if we choose between the second civil war and the third world war, where are we?

We're between a rock and a hard place. And that's where so many of us find ourselves. It's very clever framing. Very clever framing.

If I obviously I disagree with that, you guys know I disagree. This is the Charlie Kirk show. This is not the Rachel Maddow hour.

We're looking at this more macro. What are the implications? And if I was a white liberal, I would not be overly confident in Joe Biden's ability to talk. Criminal son, low approval ratings, ascendant, talented black preacher, no labels party.

Then you got RFK Junior. This is not going according to the plan. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us your thoughts. There's always freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. Thank you.