Exposing the Psychological Operations Hiding in Plain Sight with Mike Smith and Dr. Keith Rose

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Floor is yours. Correct. Yeah, so people might know me. I made a movie a few years ago called Out of Shadows. And when we set up, you know, when I made the film, it was it had a tremendous amount of success and it got millions of views and it got translated into like 24 different languages. And it went out but we were heavily censored.

I was removed from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and PayPal. So it was a really quite a learning experience. And one of the things we touched on in Out of Shadows was psychological operations. And so we went through, but in Into the Light, we went deeper.

And I, the main focus of the film is everyone in this world, no matter where you live, or no matter what country you're in, or you know what, how you identify or what, what you know to be believed to be true. And people have a lot of questions about getting to the truth. And it's really hard to get to the truth now because there's so many, so much disinformation and misinformation out there in the public that I felt like I was, I felt like I, you know, being in the media had a different perspective of it. And I said, I was, you know, I pray a lot. I'm a Christian. And I felt like God was saying, hey, you need to explain to the public how they've been manipulated, why they were manipulated, and who's manipulated.

Because until they understand that they're not going to understand how to really disseminate and discern over the information they're receiving to find out what is the truth. So I set out on this journey and I got together with some amazing people. Out of Shadows opened the door. I met Keith Rose, Dr. Rose. And I met General Flynn. I met Laura Logan and Boone Cutler, who wrote the book 5GW with General Flynn. And it's been a, it's been an amazing, oh, sorry, I'm left out, Brian Gamble.

And these people were gracious enough to let me interview them and to pass off a lot of really, I think, important information that the public just needs to be aware of. So I would imagine, you know, it's a one, two, into the light and also out of the shadows, which is obviously going back to the allegory of the cave, right, which is there's people staring at a wall. It's Plato's allegory of the cave that we actually get the word education from this allegory. People staring at a wall, they're looking at puppets or shadows behind them. But there are many different dimensions to this. We'll build that out because an interesting part of the allegory is once you enter the light, they actually don't like it.

But that's a separate issue. So, Keith, let's talk about who, what or where. Can you just give some examples of some of the psychological mass manipulations that we are living through or just give one example that people might be able to attach to of how we are living through a simulation? Well, now what's come out about COVID? When it first started, everyone was driven by fear. This movie touches on how you drive people, how they are influenced by the media, how they're influenced by the bone in their hands. And everyone had this almost irrational fear almost immediately about COVID.

You have had actual information being censored, and then you had the real disinformation being pushed out, pumped out, and selectively placed into the feeds. Charlie, you have a great intelligence device in your hand every day. It's called your iPhone or your Android. And everything you do on that phone, and this movie goes into depth about this, is captured. And it's evaluated. In the past, you would talk about demographics, you know, 30 to 40-year-olds, 45 to 55-year-olds. But when you're shaping, and this is what this movie is about, it's psychological shaping for an event, they're grabbing what they call psychographics. They're understanding your likes, your dislikes. They can anticipate what you're going to look at and then place this information in a format which will be enticing to you into your feed.

So you would ask yourself, how can you get all the nations in the world to basically shut down almost simultaneously? For a virus that we had almost identical virus back in the early 2000s, we knew how to treat it, but they didn't let any information get out. And then they were able to manipulate the information that was pushed out.

And so they understood each person's psychological profile. And the movie even talks about they have created a digital twin of a lot of people based on their search history, their likes, and things like that. So it's basically taking that, you know, silent weapons for quiet wars paper to the next level using the internet. And it's about manipulating, shaping people to get them to do what they want. And it falls right in the line and the movie touches on this with the book, Unrestricted Warfare, written by the two Chinese colonels.

And that's what General Flynn's been pushing is this fifth generation warfare where it's not with guns and bullets, it's with data and manipulation. Again, the movie is Into the Light.movie. Mike, what's one way that a audience member can recognize that they are being psychologically manipulated? What are the characteristics? What is the pattern that you can realize that what you're seeing is synthetic? Well, I think truth like when you're when you find truth, you feel what you know what truth is when you hear it. And when you're when you're sitting back and you're just absorbing information, and you're not able to process or critically analyze or think about it. When we talk about this in the movie, a lot of it is that they can polarize you or get you into one mindset or creating the situation where you're in a life, you know, a fight or flight mode, you're not able to critically analyze or think. And so I guess I guess that's a great question, Charlie. Because it's so it's not just one thing. It's, it's a lot of things.

It's through your social media, it's through your music, it's through your movies, it's through your stories. And a lot of the times, it's subtle, it's really subtle. It's like you're not supposed to be able to see it until somebody shows it to you. And once they show it to you, you can identify it. But until then, it's hard to it's hard to it. And I think different people are going to have different realizations.

Yeah, I mean, and the Charlie Yeah, go ahead, Keith. Yeah, I was gonna say it's something when you see the movie and the movie really lays it out. It's hard to catch in a soundbite. Understanding it. It's something you and I both have said, you know, sometimes you can't see it or hear it, you have to experience it. And then you understand what it is. But it's that moment where, you know, you're talking about buying a, you know, a new car, and then on your Facebook feed, all you see are advertisements for new cars, you know, that there's an algorithm running in the background that's listening to you talk. And it just takes it to the next level.

So the way that this movie a lot of people, I mean, we've had just an overwhelming response to this movie, and it comes out. It teaches people I tell them don't look at the news for what they're saying. But step back and ask yourself, why are they saying it? You have to look at the time and point just look at President Trump. Every time he has another indictment comes out, look at what the news cycle was the day before you've hit on this. But this will help people retrain the way they think to critically think about things and understand a little bit about the technology behind it and the mindset because this movie goes and gives real world examples of what's happening. And it jumps into the WEF and a lot of other things. One of the positives of COVID, there's not very many of them, is that a portion of the American population are now seeking truth in a way I've never seen before. That is one of the blessings of something that was just so terrible, the lockdowns and the catastrophe. Genesis 5020, with the enemy meant for evil, God we use for good.

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Patriotmobile.com slash charlie. The movie is very important. It's into the light dot movie. We have Mike Smith and Keith Rose with us. I would add, one of the ways that you know you are being manipulated is that there's a force component. They force you to believe it or you're punished for not believing. Whether it be smearing, censorship, you know that you are being psychologically manipulated if there's a penalty to believing the opposite. Keith Rose, build that up.

Well there is Charlie. You know we, every generation, I'm a little bit older than you, we want the next generation, our floor, our ceiling to be their floor. And right now with the current movement, the socialist movement, they want our floor to be their ceiling.

And the only way you can actually get a society to go backwards is to, like you said, aggressively censor information and make it a penalty if you say anything. I mean look at, take for instance what's going on with President Trump right now and some of his mid-level staffers. They're not just going after President Trump, they're going after anyone that supports him. And people, that is to censor or prevent anyone from speaking out, helping him in his campaign, which is really, what is a campaign? It's an information operation.

And it's getting out with President Trump, it's getting out truth, it's getting out the word that, you know, he wants freedom, he wants our ceiling to be the next generation's floor. But to have that happen, we can, you only can do that with truth. And you have to do it with what I've talked about before, is they have to do it with a counterfeit. Everything God creates, Satan counterfeits. Well, and the only way you can tell if something's true is, I asked a guy in Treasury one time this, how do you tell a counterfeit $100 bill? He says you have to compare it to the original. And so if I can shape the news, shape the history that you're taught, you have no original to compare it to. Then you'll accept my generation's floor as your generation's ceiling, which is exactly the opposite of what should be happening.

As C.S. Lewis would say, you do not know a line is crooked unless you have a straight line to compare it to. We know that there is a natural law. So let me ask you, Mike, the film has some theological and scriptural elements to it. Talk about it.

In the promotional, you talk about Ephesians. Do you contest in the film that we are in a spiritual war? One hundred percent, we are in a spiritual war. This is the war between good and evil.

And this is, I mean, think about what it is. They're trying to manipulate us into changing our human DNA, our God-given DNA. They're trying to remove us from the world that God created and move us into a technologically advanced world that man created to be like the world that God created. And we have a battle going on. And the people have to wake up and understand that this is real. This spiritual warfare is real. There is a battle between good and evil that's been going on before most of us were ever born.

So we're just waking up to the fact that this is actually real because we don't consider these things to be real because we've been trained not to look at or question this part of it. I meet Christians all the time that are what I call lukewarm. They're not wide awake. They don't understand that they have authority in Christ. They have authority in the blood of Christ. They have authority in the spiritual battle.

And unless you claim that and know how to use it, you will be defeated. Because think about this. What happens if every man takes an mRNA vaccine or some sort of alters your DNA to where it's not what God created? And then there is no more human DNA. Well, then guess what? Satan stands in front of God and says, they chose my world, not yours. And we know that's not going to happen. But that's what he's ultimately trying to do.

Trying to manipulate the population into destroying God's greatest creation, which was man. It's amazing. One of the positives post-Covid that really stunned and shocked the elites was that there were still 30 to 35 million holdouts for the mRNA shot.

That's still amazing. Think about the penalties, the condemnation, the lies, pandemic of the unvaccinated. You have to kick out of the military, kick out of a job. There's a remnant. It's not a majority, but it's a fighting 10 percent of 30 to 35 million, by the way, of blacks, of Hispanics, of men, of women all across the board. In fact, more blacks per percentage than whites. Go figure.

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Let's play cut 11, please. You need to understand you're being manipulated and if you don't understand how you're being manipulated, you're never going to be able to fight it. You can get tickets into the light.movie. So Mike, expand on that trailer. Knowing that you are manipulated is the first step towards enlightenment. That's really a teaser because I didn't want to give away what the movie was until we actually launched it.

Out of Shadows was one type of film, but this was a little deeper. This is more factual. It's very apolitical. These are the facts. This is how it works. The way I look at this is if you're a police officer or you're in law enforcement, you understand that world. If you're a lawyer, you understand the legal world.

If you're a physician, you understand the medical world. But I come from media and I spent 30 years from the bottom to the top and I have a perspective of how media is used to, because I know this, if you give me money and time making films, I can make you believe anything I want you to believe. So knowing how that works, it's easy for me to understand how all this really works. But for the public, the average person who's worried about just going to work from Monday to Friday and they get time with their children on Saturday or they go to church on Sunday and they're back to work, they don't have the perspective to understand some of the ways that they're being manipulated. Unless somebody like myself or Dr. Rose or General Flynn or Lara, one of the best journalists in the world, goes out and explains to you, we've all been manipulated. And what I mean by that is, for me for 30 years, I didn't see it. And if I worked in it for 30 years and couldn't see it, how's the average person in the population going to see it?

How are they going to understand this unless somebody shows them? And I just felt like God told me, I want you to explain it to the people. And that was really the mission. Because we were so distracted, we're so divided, and we're so deceived that it's hard to figure out the truth. So that was the motivation behind it. It's not an intelligence test. It's a perspective test.

If you don't have perspective or you don't have the knowledge because you haven't seen it or how it works, you're not going to be able to understand the way you're being manipulated. So let's play this tape here, then Keith, I'd like you to riff. This is cut 28.

English singer Youngblood teaches music to kids and ends by screaming, hail Satan. Play cut 28. Give me your face. Give me your face. One more. All right, sit, let's go. I'm down.

Keith Rose, there's many videos like this. Your thoughts? We are in the midst of a spiritual war.

We are, Charlie. And I'll comment on this, but to go back to what you asked right before the break, the way they're able to pull this off is they're building a modern Tower of Babel. That's what they're trying to do. They're trying to build the human kingdom here instead of the kingdom of God. And remember, they were only able to build the Tower of Babel or Babel, however you want to call it, while they all spoke the same language. That's correct. And so they're trying to limit what language we can speak.

The Marxist, progressive, socialist, whatever you want to call them. That's right. Keep going. Right.

100%. And I'm trying to keep it simple, but what they do is they have to limit what we can say, but they also have to go after the next generation and set that expectation. And what you just played on that clip is you have some kids. They're in a recording studio, so they're already excited. And this guy does nothing but encourage them. Hey, you guys are doing great.

You're doing this. Let's yell. They get excited. They have the music. And so their emotions are in play. Their physical bodies are in play. They're excited. They're doing something that's cool, that's different. And then at the very end, he kind of just throws in the hail Satan as almost an afterthought, but he knows what he's doing. And so the kids, in their excitement, it's just being imprinted. But a lot of those kids probably couldn't tell you what he said, but it imprinted in their minds. And that's kind of what you're seeing in this fifth generation warfare.

It starts out slow and then it picks up speed. You and I both are huge fans of Yuri Bezmenov. This movie highlights Yuri Bezmenov in several places and explains how the progressive left, the socialist, the world economic form has been able to take shaping a society to the next level. Because if you want to understand the shaping, this is not original.

Remember, Satan counterfeits everything God creates. They're trying to create man's kingdom. And some of the clips in this movie will absolutely floor you. Mike found some amazing clips about Dr. Harari and these other guys and their own words. He uses the words of the media, the words of the world economic form, the words of certain influencers and then reveals how they're shaping you.

And the movie comes around to, this is the problem, but this can be the antidote and ultimately the cure. Yeah, so what you're getting at, Genesis 11 really is the fulcrum point of the scriptures of what happens. From that point forward, you get Abram, right, calls right into Abram, eventually Abraham. And Nimrod, who was the leader, now Babel, the city of Babel literally means God confuses, they tried to create a one world government, a one world globalist type utopia. In fact, they said they wanted to make a name for themselves, the direct scriptures from Genesis 11 said. And then God said, let us go see what man is doing.

And it's that plural Elohim God who comes down and does not like what they find. So Mike, talk about the global... Well Charlie, just what you said, let us make a name for ourselves. You remember, what did President Obama say? We are the people we've been waiting for.

Yeah, that's right. That's just, let's make a name for ourselves. He didn't say this is the country that was founded on covenant with God.

He said we are who we've been waiting for. It makes man the king on the throne and it's never worked in the arc of history. And understand that Gnosticism and Hermeticism are evil cousins of each other. It's this idea of combining the world to one mind.

H.G. Wells wrote about this extensively, that there's going to be one dogma, there's going to be one collective consciousness. And Genesis 11 is a precursor to that. Mike, talk about the globalist components. There's a global game playing here, it's not just in America. Well, I'm glad you brought that up because what is at stake here is your individual liberty and sovereignty and national sovereignty.

It's multi level. The globalist agenda is one world order, one world government, one world organization that rules everything, food, transportation. Look at the 15 minute cities, look at what they're doing with that. They are literally forcing us out of the rural areas, into the cities, and then they want to manage us. And we still are the majority. We still are. They're trying to convince the world that this is where we're going.

And that's not where we're going. And when you said earlier, the remnant, I was so happy to hear you say that because that is what this is. I was walking along blindly for 20 years, 30 years.

I didn't see it. When I got saved after I was paralyzed, I know God healed me from being paralyzed, gave me salvation, gave me a purpose. And all of my time in Hollywood was just preparing me for what we're doing right now. Keith Rose is the remnant. You're the remnant. We are a small group of people that will stand up and light a brush fire of freedom across this nation. And that's what we're doing. We're going to light brush fires because you don't know who you're going to inspire.

You don't know who you can reach if you're just talking about the truth and understanding that the founding of this country, the founding of this nation was founded on Christian principles. So if you don't, that is what they want to take away from you. And we have to go back.

Either you stand for this country and the founding fathers and the principles of this nation was founded on and the tyranny they escaped from because they're trying to bring it back and remove all of our freedoms. And I don't think anybody has the right to do that to any man or woman or anybody for that matter, period. So Keith, can you actually comment on something I said before at how sizable the resistance was to the shot, considering the subsidies and the force? Can you just riff on that? I think it's important.

Absolutely, Charlie. I don't think that was taken into the map when these folks had this plan. They thought that they were going to have a lot more compliance. And what they found is people were thinking critically and a lot of people looked at this, even if they didn't have a reason, they just recognized that something was off. Why am I being forced to take some?

Why am I being coerced? Why am I being told that it's my fault if I don't get the shot? And I think there's a huge boomerang effect going on right now because, you know, as we talked about, I think your show I was on with you and a few others was probably one of the first shows to even talk about this and push back really hard against the lockdowns and everything that was happening. I think that they're hitting critical mass because you can't cover up all the problems from the vaccine right now. And a lot of people are really thankful that they didn't take it and a lot of people are also very regretful that they did. And there's a lot of really strong doctors that were good advocates against the vaccine from the beginning that are coming out with treatments for people that have taken the vaccine.

But I think I heard one guy say it best. He says we're willing to forgive the folks for trying to push this down our throats, but they have to admit they were wrong. And they also need to admit they were wrong to censor people. Because it's not that they just pushed it. They did it in a way we've never seen before.

So I think that this movie coming out right now is a critical point because people know something's wrong. Mike talked about the founders and the founding. You and I have had offline talks about that. Well, the counterfeit of the covenant that our founders had with God for this nation is convenience. We're trading covenant for convenience.

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Into the Light.Movie? It's online. And Charlie, we, because of the attacks that we received on the last movie, we built our own servers and system. It's on our own code. It's so that we can keep control of it. So you can find it at Into the Light.Movie. And one thing I'd like to say about it, there's a lot of films out there that offer a lot of information, but very rarely do they have a call to action.

And our call to action is, okay, now that you know this, like my friend said after she saw the premiere, she goes, I'm fired up. What do I do? I said, what you do is, what area bugs you the most? Is it your schools? Is it your city council?

Is it your policies that you're being placed under in your entire city? Figure out and pray about it and let God disseminate or discern to you what you want to do. But the answer is, you got to get involved. You can't sit back anymore and wait for other people to do it for you. Because we're past that. This is, you got to get involved.

Like General Flynn says, local action, national impact, same thing. And I think that we offer you, look, you can see a lot of people standing up and speaking out and igniting brush fryers. So in closing, I would just say, please support the film if you like it.

There's a pay it forward model where you can purchase codes and send them to your friends. And for those who might not watch it, but it's only going to be founded into the light dot movie. It's not going to be on YouTube. It's not going to be on Vimeo. It's not going to be on any of those platforms because of what happened last time. So it's on our own system. That's why it requires you to register because it's on our own code. And we're not selling your information. We're not doing any of that. All we're doing is providing a safe place for this film to exist outside of the system.

Let me throw final thoughts just to amplify what Mike said. It gives you this movie really brings it all back to becoming a brush fire using the Samuel Adams quote, a brush fire in the minds of men. And you'll see someone get red pilled in this movie. But I will tell you, since it's been out, Charlie, I know people that are in the government and the intelligence services in the military that have seen this movie and they said, I'm going to step out and say something. This movie will give you modern examples like up to the last few days of people that have become brush fires in the hearts and minds of men. Those are called whistleblowers, people getting out and making a difference. You got out early, early in life and made a difference.

You're a brush fire. But that's that's our prayers that people will understand that we have covenant with God for this nation and covenant requires sacrifice and it requires work. You can't keep it by convenience. And so this really gives you it explains everything. It brings you back to a point where it gives you this is what you can do.

Now go do it. And I think it's pretty powerful. Yeah. Covenant is a word that we don't use much. It's an old biblical word.

Covenant was made between God and man and the most famous covenant, the first of which is the Noahic covenant, which applies to all people after God made a promise and that morality should apply to all people. And so the movie is into the light movie. I encourage you guys all to check it out. We are in the midst of an invisible war, a spiritual war. Keith, you and I have talked about it. What's your response to people that say, I don't believe any of that stuff? That's a bunch of hocus pocus. Well, it's like when I was over in Afghanistan and someone was shooting at me and the guy next to me goes, why are they shooting at us? We're not at war with them. And then I said, well, then tell them that you're at war. You're being attacked. It's a spiritual war. And if you read history, you can see it's not the first time. But if you also study history, you can see that the answer is to turn back to God, to turn back to who we had the original covenant with in this land, and that you have to get out, say something, and that I still believe America's best days are ahead of us if we get back into the light and back to truth.

Keith Rose, Mike Smith, the movies into the light dot movie. Thank you guys so much. God bless you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us your thoughts. There's always freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com.

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