Christianity and Cluster Bombs: My Conversation with Tucker Carlson at ActCon

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Yeah, people are going to say, what do you mean carbohydrates? Tucker, good to see you, man. Thanks for taking the time. Great to see you, Charlie. Yeah. So where were you? Where were you just? Where was I just?

Like four minutes ago. I was just sitting down with Megyn Kelly talking about how men pretending to be women are- No, you were outside greeting like a thousand people in person in the heat in Florida. In a parking garage, yeah. Yeah. Taking responsibility for the mess. I shook every hand and took selfies with all of them, so. No, I hate, it's kind of like you, I hate disorder and I hate lines. Yep.

Lines for me I think are the worst and we try to pursue excellence at Turning Point and making people wait in a parking garage is totally unacceptable. Couldn't agree more. I've, I've gone pretty totalitarian like fascist dictator the last hour and a half. That's the spirit. Like trying to fix things.

Fascism is worthless if the trains don't run on time. Well that, all you really get is the perks for the leaders at that point. Right, I totally agree. There's got to be some upside. Yeah, exactly. Like a function, like a clean society would be nice.

Great, great summit in Iowa. What's your reflection on all that? My, I mean, just the, you know, I don't have any, especially deep thoughts other than what I've thought for six years now, which is that the disconnect between Republicans in Washington and their voters is like not getting narrower at all.

It's really wide. The issues that Republicans in DC care about just, they just don't seem connected to what voters think and that's never truer than on foreign policy. You know, their obsession with Ukraine and fighting Russia.

I just don't think the average Republican voter, I don't think the average Democratic voter honestly has any interest in going to war with Russia, but they're all dead set on it. Did you feel that from the crowd? Did you feel the disconnect in real time?

I mean, you interviewed six, five or six candidates. Yes. Oh, absolutely.

Oh, I felt it and I, you know, it's very tempting to play the demagogue in situations like that and like, what do you think? You know, and I don't want to do that. I do want to, I do want to do that, but I stopped myself from doing that.

I would have done that within like 20 seconds. I can't. But anyway, yes, of course. I mean, there's no appetite among normal people of either party for a war with Russia. There are an awful lot of people who feel sorry for Ukraine and I'm definitely in that group and who feel compassion for refugees from war and have normal human, decent human responses to suffering. But, you know, the Mike Pence's and Nikki Haley's and Joe Biden's and the people pushing this stuff, they're not interested in the suffering of the Ukrainian people. They're using them, of course, and they're dying on their behalf.

And I think most voters know that it's just and it's enormously frustrating when you see the the differential and an emphasis like that. Oh, we got to seal our southern border. Really? Well, we actually have a U.S. military for that. No, they're needed in Lithuania. I mean, one of the candidates, I won't embarrass anybody, but said to me last night, you know, well, off camera, if we came up after to say, you know, well, we disagree, but, you know, I still like you.

Great, which is I appreciate. But, you know, we need to stop Putin here. Where else do I have to stop him somewhere else? And I'm like, what, in El Paso? Oh, that's already been invaded. Sorry.

But what are you talking about? Exactly. And he said, well, they could roll into Lithuania, for example, and they're a NATO ally. We'd be obligated to defend them. And I was like, well, let's break that obligation.

How's that sound? Because I've got kids and I don't want them to die for Lithuania. I don't think any other American wants that.

Maybe Bill Kristol. But no normal person wants that. And like we should just exit NATO if the cost of being in NATO. I have no idea what the upside is.

I don't see any. But if the cost is fighting for the sovereignty of Lithuania, that's insane. It's just not worth it. And why don't you tell me how it is worth it? Well, it's worth it because we have an agreement.

Really? Well, let's exit the agreement. Like, I don't I don't understand. Are we a slave to some treaty signed 50 years ago? Like, what are you even talking about, you nutcase?

Or a slave to an ideology. And that's what I can't quite figure out. So what you've pinpointed was the confusion I had watching the summit, which was typically politicians are accused of saying to the audience what they want to hear just to get political power. Yes. They're not doing that.

No, it's such a it's such a smart point. They're actually not pandering, but they are pandering to their donors. That's their donors.

And I actually talked to one of the candidates who I know fairly well. I think a lot of I'm not going to embarrass him by saying his name, Vivek Ramaswamy, but he confirmed what I knew, which is he's lost a lot of support. He comes out of biotech and finance. He was a darling of the billionaire class. A hundred percent. Well, he's almost in the billionaire class.

Here's an Indian guy who talks really fast. We love him. Exactly.

How couldn't you not love him? But he told me point blank, you know, I haven't raised a ton of money because the people who supported me initially found out that I was opposed to the Ukraine thing, not because I hate Ukraine or I'm pro Putin. He's not. But because it doesn't serve American interests. And they're like, oh, well, we're out. And he made such a smart point. He said, I don't they're not taking money from Raytheon.

There's no vig here. They're not getting rich from supporting the war in Ukraine. They really believe it. It is a cult. They've been captured by it.

And as he pointed out, not a Christian, he's a Hindu, but he makes a point that I as a Christian agree with completely, which is there's a vacuum at the center where meaning should be. And in that place flow in all these insane ideologies from, you know, the race craziness and the trans thing, tranny stuff and like every bad idea fills that void, including Ukraine. So the other part about the neoliberal project, invade the world, invite the world. Is that if you disagree, it's unbelievably totalitarian in their response. In the name of democracy. No, that's right. It's like to preserve a free society.

We're going to imprison some priests. I said to I said to pencils like, all right, you know, first of all, I'm not that interested in what happens inside Ukraine because I'm not Ukrainian or Russia, for example. I'm not saying Russia is a better society than Ukraine. I'm totally open to that possibility.

I just don't know the answer. It certainly could be. Ukraine is pretty awful.

What I object to is the lying around it. We're doing this because we believe in freedom. Well, OK, the people we're funding are putting priests and nuns in jail, raiding convents. But he said it wasn't true because he talked to some shill on payroll of Zelensky. But he's lying and he knows it's true. Of course, it is true.

And if you pulled a little more, he was like, well, actually, they're saying bad things. They got the wrong opinions. Like, all right, but you're allowed in a free society to have the wrong opinions. And by the way, I would I would say this if they were rabbis or imams, like if you support religious freedom, you can't put clerics in jail for having different views.

Like, period. And by the way, especially if you're a Christian leader, I mean, come on, Mike Pence. I think Pence is says he's a sincere Christian and I believe him. But like these are Christian leaders being imprisoned by the government and you're on the government side.

I mean, it's just like wake up. And and by the way, if you're a Christian leader in your you know, what we really need is more cluster bombs. I sort of missed that part of Matthew, the cluster bomb to turn the other cheek and send the cluster bombs quickly. I've gotten in arguments with people I love. And I remember one in particular where the person said, you know, listen to yourself like if there's a videotape of this, you'd be ashamed of what you're saying. And I really shocked.

I was like, you're absolutely right. I'm behaving like a total jerk. And I thought that yesterday, Mike Pence, in the name of Christianity, more cluster bombs. OK, hear yourself. Blessed are the peacemakers and those who send cluster bombs. Of course. Exactly.

That's that's the annotation in the original Aramaic. So that's you're hitting on to something that they're captured by their donors. But I think they're also just captured just by high society opinion, which is what is their backstop if they don't become president, which is almost certainly that they want to. Why are they running?

You were with them behind and the scenes and in public. They're not pandering to voters. This is a question I get a lot because, I mean, let's just be honest, Mike Pence is not probably going to be the Republican nominee under any circumstances.

So then why are they running? Is it vanity, ego, pride, revenge? And I don't think, by the way, I don't think Pence is like the worst person.

No, I'm not saying that. But so I felt, you know, and I woke up early yesterday and I said to myself, you're going to be in a room full of neocons. Be polite. You know, I am triggered by it.

I'll admit that's my weakness. I'm very offended by the program which I once supported because it's just it really hasn't borne fruit for America at all. It's hurt the country. So I'm mad about it. And I tried not to get mad. But that like turn to the crowd and say they don't have enough tanks in Ukraine. Prepare yourself, ladies and gentlemen.

The Ukrainians don't have enough American tanks. When he said that, I could just feel my self-control just evaporated. And I snapped to them and I'm sorry that I did. No, no, it was great. But Tucker should give you hope. They booed him and they weren't buying what he was selling. Of course not.

No normal person could. The GOP 10 years ago would have been like, yes, war with Ukraine. While we're at it, let's colonize Sierra Leone. Like that was the way that that was the neoliberal orthodoxy. But something has changed. Trump helped change. I think you helped change it on television for five years. You moved, at least in my opinion, did it for me.

You moved the Overton window in the zeitgeist. You sense that from the voters? That's it's I would say this is not false modesty. It is the easiest argument to make because it's just so obvious. It's like one of so many things. I mean, it's like, why do I have a moral obligation to take your covid vax?

Why is Asa Hutchinson? Yeah. Why is Russia my enemy? I mean, maybe it is.

But like, tell me how. How many America? How many of my friends have been killed by Russia? Zero. How many people do I know who've died from fentanyl that came from Mexico?

Well, in my case, two. In Maine, there's a lot. Yeah. Well, these people weren't even in Maine.

Both of them are sort of upper income. But whatever. I mean, everyone knows someone. And so who's my enemy? The country that's killed two people I know or the country that's killed nobody? I mean, I don't know. Like, think for yourself. OK, that's what I just and and I think what you do start to think for yourself. Reach your own conclusions. That's the promise of America. I'm a free man. I can reach my own conclusions.

These are not hard places to reach. Like it's and again, it's not about taking sides in the war. Ukraine versus Russia. It's like, what are we getting out of this? How we know when we've won.

What's the point of it? If you can't answer three simple questions, then you're not really making an argument, are you? You're just beating me over the head with epithets. Putin lover, traitor. Until I submit. And as long as we don't participate in that ritual, it's like you can call me whatever you want, but I'm a free man and I'm not going to I'm not gonna be intimidated.

Like, that's all it takes to make them go away. OK, now you you've called me a racist. You call me a Putin lover, a transfer, whatever. Call me whatever you want.

I know who I am. And so does God. So I don't care what you say at that point. Like, they don't have an argument.

So it's like, OK, shut up, racist Putin lover. All right. You know, I don't care. Like usually like David Frum doesn't like me. Oh, you're going to be hard to sleep.

Don't tell my wife. And Billy Crystal. So the type of person, though, that like the most aggressive neoconservatives, I'm not saying there was necessarily one of these people on stage.

They have really messed up personal lives. Do you find that that is true in the sense of their I mean, I just think of a certain senator from a certain state. But I'm not going to say, you know, well, it all flows outward, doesn't it? I mean, but it's a cope.

It feels as if it's like I have to recreate some other border while our own is. And I love a man in uniform for sure. No, I mean, yeah, there's look, there's a there's a psychosexual explanation for a lot of things. And I think there's a lot of truth in all of that. What? No, I totally agree.

They're laughing because it's true. Oh, sorry. Sorry.

No, I'm sorry. No, a laugh response to a human being is a recognition of the truth. Like if you're if you're kind of a look, here's how I think in very simple terms, if you have a happy life, happiness is not a mystery to you.

I mean, just balance. You're not no one has a life and there are always problems. But if you're like kind of happy sitting in your living room with your wife and dogs, then you have a clear sight picture of what happiness looks like. And when you're trying to help other people, you see that as the goal.

And it's peaceful and orderly and calm and stable. It's like pretty much the same tomorrow as it was today. Like you're you're extrapolating forward from your own life. But if there's nothing at the center of your life, if you live your life online, if you don't really have real relationships with anybody, you've got a really distorted view of what the future should look like.

I mean, I do think it's that simple. But on but I was I'm totally fixated on this. And I and I I thought this last night, it's like I'm probably in top 10 worst Christians you ever met. So why is it I'm literally like a talk show host. So why does the plight of priests and nuns in Ukraine fall to me to point out? So I said that last night depends on this completely reasonable question. You're an advocate for religious liberty. You're a Christian leader, self-described. They are putting priests and nuns in jail in Ukraine. And you support it.

How do you square that? National Review wrote a piece immediately accusing me of bigotry. That was one of the sickest things I've read.

Rich Lowry. Yeah, like I don't really care what National Review says, of course. No one reads it and I don't. But someone said it to me. But I was thinking to myself, like, again, listen to yourself. You're attacking me for pointing it out. Well, now you're onto something I want to mention, which is the crime of noticing. And you mentioned this with Bobby Kennedy.

Right. And you got me thinking very deeply about that is the thing you're not allowed to do, which is notice the obvious. No, no pattern recognition, no pattern recognition of urban crime or, as you say, public filthiness or VAX adverse events to a vaccine or a public open border. Well, you I mean, not only no noticing, you know, punish the people who do. What's crazy is we're so sensitive about people's physical and psychological infirmities. I've got PTSD or I've got, you know, whatever, all these syndromes, ADHD, which means you have trouble paying attention sometimes like that happens to me every night when I write my script anyway.

But we're very, very sensitive about these things. But then you've got someone who's like, well, actually, I took the VAX you made me take and I can't walk like it killed my uncle. They say you're a Q and a shut up, shut up.

No talking. Well, so the vaccine thing is interesting because I think people know that if all of a sudden there's a real discussion on vaccines, it's what I call a limiting belief. What else might not be true? Well, exactly. Exactly. Well, that is true of so many things. Ukraine is one of those things to Ukraine. But all this stuff, it's like vaccines are the big one, though, because that one really has been for sure.

And that was like 20 minutes ago. And everybody's implicated in it. But now Christian leaders conspired with the government to convince their churches to take this stuff.

People like Asa Hutchinson, the governor's Republican and Democrat, who got out there and did like public service announcements VAX propaganda when they had no idea what its long term effects would be. And they haven't apologized to keep out of the military. It's unbelievable. But nobody's apologized.

That's what blows my mind. I've made a ton of mistakes. Probably haven't apologized for all of them. But the ones I haven't apologized for are the ones I don't remember, because I think it's absolutely essential, not simply to your relations with other people, but to how you feel about yourself to have enough dignity, to have enough self-respect to acknowledge when you're wrong.

Like that's that's the root of your moral power. And not one person has gotten up and said, you know, I told the people of Connecticut, Arkansas, pick the state to take the VAX and like some small but meaningful percentage of them were gravely injured by it. They didn't need it. They followed my instructions and it really hurt them. In some cases, it killed them.

And I and I that weighs on me. If some person would do that, I don't care if it's a Democrat, Republican, socialist, I don't care. I would I would revere that person for his honesty. But not one person has done that. That's that's against one of the Ten Commandments, the American ruling class, though.

Thou shall never repent for the mistakes. When was the last time a bureaucrat, billionaire, anyone would acknowledge responsibility or take responsibility? Well, how about the Iraq War? I mean, you just go through the yeah.

Yeah. No one in the Bush administration ever acknowledged that like maybe we should have seen 9-11 coming. It's like no one apologizes for the meaningful things. What they do is they apologize for their ancestors behavior. I'm really sorry about the riot in Oklahoma in 1922. I'm really sorry about taking your land. Some Indian tribe whose name I don't remember.

You know, it's like they apologize on behalf of other people, apologize for slavery. What ended in 1865? How many culpable parties are still alive?

Let me check. Zero. So now it's safe to apologize because nobody needs to pay the price for that. But how about the mistakes in the last 20 years in America? Big history changing mistakes. And the people who made them are not only still around, they've ascended in the hierarchy. And so like the lady running our Ukraine policy at the State Department was one of the driving forces behind the Iraq War.

Like, how did that happen? Another guy who ran the Iraq War wound up running the World Bank. I'm not saying they should be in prison. I mean, I feel that way. But I think we should be very hesitant to send people to prison.

But we certainly shouldn't give them raises and better jobs like that is truly nuts. And that tells you that the system itself is broken in a way that's dangerous. And the people who refuse to acknowledge responsibility of any sort of humility, which is which is a virtue that nobody has in D.C. at all. I mean, it's to be able to acknowledge that humility empowers you. It's also that's that's the sad thing is they miss when you say I'm sorry or I was wrong.

Makes you happier to 100 percent. When you say when you tell the truth about yourself, you know, to the extent you can see it, it's kind of hard to see ourselves. And like, we're not always accurate in the way we understand ourselves. But to the extent that you can to say this is who I really am, once you stop lying, you're filled with this weird supernatural power.

That is totally true. And they should try that because you're not hiding all the time. Oh, man, I hope they never find out I'm an alcoholic or secretly gay or was behind the Iraq war. It's like everyone already knows.

Just say it out loud. Like the people love you will love you anyway. It's not. Do you know what I mean?

Yes. And they're so afraid. That's what I see when I see someone like Tony Blinken, the the secretary of state. Obviously, he's not up to the job. He's not intellectually qualified to be secretary of state. He's probably not an evil person. I'm not saying he is. But when I look at him, I'm like, that guy's terrified. You hear the term imposter syndrome. That guy's living it. And so are all of these other people. They're super small people with no record of achievement of any kind that ever built anything. And all of a sudden they're running the world and they're scared out of their minds that someone will reveal how small they are.

Yes. And I feel like if they would just admit it and be like, man, I can't believe we did that in Iraq or I'm sorry, we tanked the U.S. dollar. You know what I mean? I'm sorry we printed all this extra currency for the benefit of the finance. Sorry, all these kids are killing themselves.

Just say that. And then they would be then people look at them and be like, oh, wow, for the first time, I believe you. But then what is in their psychology?

Where does it come from? What do we know about the type of person that refuses to apologize? Only goes forward with, as you say, hyper aggression. Well, they don't because they don't believe in God. So they don't think there's the possibility of forgiveness. It's a zero sum game to them.

Right. So like the person who admits weakness is immediately killed. There's there's no possibility of forgiveness in a God free world, period. And that's what it is. That's where their fear comes from. Whereas the people who think they're forgiven or think they could be forgiven.

Yes. Or see things on a grander, you know, on a cosmic scale, they're like, you know, I screwed up like people do. The greatest people screwed up. I was watching the other day. I'm actually not a huge Martin Luther King fan or whatever. Super flawed guy. But I was watching the last the audio was listening to audio of the last speech that he gave the night before he was killed.

April 3rd, 1968, he was killed the next afternoon. And he gave this speech and he had just been like cheating with a bunch of different women. OK. Yeah. He had a tendency.

Oh, my gosh. No, he was like a ridiculous, sexually out of control. But he gave this speech in which he clearly predicted his own death. Like there is no doubt if you listen to this, that God is speaking through Martin Luther King. And again, I don't like Martin Luther King's program.

I don't like his behaviors. A lot of, you know, worshiping Martin Luther King is absurd to me. But I got to say, if you listen to that speech, God is speaking through Martin Luther King. There's no other explanation for that. And you're like, well, that's kind of consistent with what we know. We're all flawed. The people in charge tend to be more flawed, but it doesn't mean that they're not capable of greatness. So let's just be honest about it.

The second you have to feel the need to pretend that you're perfect, you become a liar and you become paradoxically even less perfect, in my opinion. When I grow up, I want to be hired based on what I look like rather than my skills. I want to be judged by my political beliefs. I want to get promoted based on my chromosomes. When I grow up, I want to be offended by my co-workers and walk around the office on eggshells and have my words policed by HR.

Words like grandfather, peanut gallery, long time no see, no can do. When I grow up, I want to be obsessed with emotional safety and do workplace sensitivity training all day long. When I grow up, I want to climb the corporate ladder just by following the crowd. I want to be a conformist. I want to weaponize my pronouns.

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