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June 21, 2021 2:19 pm

A listener shares a story about his father's 2003 GMC Sonoma, which he has been driving for seven to eight years after rebuilding it with his father's guidance. Another listener asks for advice on how to fix a leaky gas tank in his 1997 Buick, and a third listener inquires about the best way to fix clear coat issues on his 1993 Honda Accord.

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Live from the Car Care Studios, it's the CNC Auto Show with your personal on-air and online automotive service advisors, Aaron Clements and John Ryan Mooney. So climb in, buckle up, and enjoy the ride on the CNC Auto Show. And we do welcome you to the CNC Auto Show.

If you're looking for information on ways to make your car safe, dependable, and long lasting, you want to have fun and you want to have fun doing it, then do not move because you are in the right place. You should be exactly where you should be, and we are here to answer your questions today. And riding along with us is Carol Proctor, so he'll be able to also answer paint and body questions. I'll be able to answer automotive questions, and together we'll fill in all the cracks there and answer some good stuff. So we also have another great deal going on today. We have an opportunity for you to not only win a Tech Tip quiz, but also if you call in with a story about a car that involved a father or somebody close to you that may have showed you a few things about a car, then you can give us a call, tell us that quick story, and then that would put you eligible to win a $25 gift card from O'Reilly Auto Parts.

And that would be a great opportunity for someone. And we will have Jim and John Pate will be our official judges, and just before they do very well at this, so they'll be keeping notes and letting us know who the winner will be at the end of this hour. Also, we'll sprinkle the show with a few gift ideas. Wow, we've got a lot going on.

So we are ready to roll. And we also have a Tech Tip quiz laying on the table, and I'll go ahead and mention that real quick. Susan lives two hours from her dad. Last year she bought her dad a gift to use in his 2003 Acura.

He recently went to visit her, but because he was cutting tomatoes, and because of the gift she had given him last year, he was not able to go home for a week. And if you know the answer to that, you give us a call, and we will go straight over to Lee. Lee, welcome to the CNC Auto Show, and what can we help you with? Hello, Lee. Yes, I have a 1998 Silverado. Can you hear me? I can.

Okay. I have a check engine light, and I've been told that it's the evaporator vent control, and that the bed would have had to be removed. I have questions to ask you about removing the bed, and also been using seafoam to see if that wouldn't dislodge whatever's in the tank doing that. Would that do any good? Seafoam will help. Another great product, also those Behrman products. They have a solution that you can add to the system that would be very well. I like to use Behrman products on those also. Would you pronounce that again? Behrman products and BG products is a great product. As in Foxtrot? Behrman? Yes.

Most of those that you go to will have that. So both of those are good products, and either one would work well. As far as removing the bed from the vehicle, Carol does body work, and as far as I know, you just take the bolts off the... Sometimes you have to take the bumper loose or drop it down and let it roll down so you can slide the bed back. Some PV blasters, something like that on the bed bolts if they've been on it a long time to let them soak into it because you can get some rust. And then three or four strong men to help you pick it up. Yeah, and I would say that's your biggest issue is you do want to have enough people to help you lift this off, and if you take in the bed all the way off, you want to have some blankets under it or something to keep the...

Saw horses to set it on. Yeah, that would work out very well. What about a circuit disconnect for the lights and so on? Yep, you would take the taillights loose and disconnect the taillights, or there may, depending on the truck, you may have a connector for the wiring harness going to the bed. Do you think the harness will let you disconnect there and not disturb the taillights and so on?

I don't know. Without knowing that particular wiring harness on that truck, I wouldn't know. I think that you'll just have one harness so that you can disconnect under the bottom without having to take the taillights off if I'm not mistaken. Or bolts on the bed? Yes. Do you need elastic stop nuts to replace whatever you take loose?

Now, I didn't understand that part. Elastic stop nuts, lock nuts, do you have to replace the lock nuts that you would take loose on? No, normally the nut is welded into the frame on those vehicles.

It's made into it so the nut you wouldn't have to replace. It's just the bolts. Sometimes you have to cut the bolts loose. If they've been a lot of salt water or something like that and they're rusted up real bad and won't free up, then you have to cut them off sometimes. But even if they... For bolts ahead of time? You may not need them. I mean, you could take and put some PB Blaster or something on it and see them loose them up and see if they're going to come out.

You can tell in just a minute whether they're going to come loose or not. Is that TV as in television? TV Blaster? Oh, you're talking about PB Blaster?

Yes, is that as in television T Tango? P as in Paul. Yes, uh-huh. P, okay. PB as in Paul. Thank you, thank you. Maybe Papa Bravo. Victor. Yes. Okay, I got you.

Papa Bravo. Uh-huh. Four bolts and maybe slide the bed loose. Now, would you recommend with 80,000 miles on the vehicle to replace the fuel pump whenever you do that as well as the screen and so on? 80,000 is the borderline, but I got a strong feeling if you plan to keep the truck for a good long time, which what I like about those trucks is they never go out of style.

They always look good. So if you plan to keep the truck and you've got the bed off, yes, I would do the fuel pump while I'm in there because you know it's going to go bad. And we see some go bad at about 110,000, 120,000.

Other ones I see go bad at 160,000, 170,000. But there's so many factors involved in that that it would be hard to tell which category yours would fall under. But yes, I would go ahead and do a new fuel pump. One more question, I think, on the wiring harness. Would the deck's neck likely be at the front of the bed underneath where you could disconnect there and not bother anything else?

Well, I would say that it would be more near the rear of the bed, closer to the rear. There should be a sort of a wider connection, and you should be able to just disconnect that one wire. I'm going to guess that it's got about six wires going into it, and you would just unplug that whole connector that would go up there. And you'll see where it's running up to the taillights and the tag lights and parking lights and all that. And half of it will go to one side and half to the other.

But I believe there's a connector there, if I'm not mistaken, that you can just disconnect and boom, you're free of it. How much of that bed is going to weigh? How many strong men do we need?

I would have about four, possibly, and have a fifth just to look underneath the vehicle to make sure nothing is pulling when you're pulling it off. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Oh, thank you, and good luck with that repair, and we appreciate it. Number to call, 706-863-5800.

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You can also watch us live on Facebook, or you can go to ccautoshow.com. And we have been mentioning different gift ideas that people have. And one would be a great, to me, a great gift would be a sign that is kind of car related, such like you see these signs Route 66.

And if he loves cars, he will absolutely love looking at those signs. Okay, we are ready to go to the calls and we will go over to Robert. Robert, welcome to the CNC Auto Show. And what can we help you with today? Good morning. How y'all doing?

Lovely. What I've got is an Acura 2001 MDX and my air conditioner internal fan quit running. So I replaced the fan. It run for maybe 10 minutes and quit. Then went and replaced the fan relay run for about an hour. Then quit car. The air conditioning itself is cold. But for some reason, something is kicking that fan motor off.

I'm certainly there. Okay, I lean toward it being a resistor block. Now, I was trying to remember where that resistor block is located. I might be wrong, but I think it's located behind.

You'll have to pull the glove box out of the car. And you'll look back there and you'll see one of the wires will be running from the fan motor. The other will be smaller wires that are running from the switch itself to determine the blower speed. And in effect, what that switch does is lower the resistance value or increases the resistance value so that you can have lower speeds.

And that would be the low, medium, high. And what happens is they can get burned out on the inside. And on some of those models, they have a thing to where if it burns, it will reset itself. And in other words, too much amperage coming through it. Some just burn out and you have to replace them.

Other ones can be reset. So that older blower motor may have pulled a load on that part on the resistor block. And on many cars, we'll go ahead and replace the resistor block along with the blower motor because we know that they work so closely together that one can damage the other. Or actually, more of the blower motor can damage the resistor. Okay, so that means I need to pull the glove box out to get to it.

Yes, and I'm hoping I'm telling you right on that. I'm going by memory on where that resistor block is. And what we would normally be doing is going into our software and it would tell us exactly where the part is.

Now, you might be able to run some check on Google or there might be some type of other program that you can run to let you know exactly where it is. It won't be in your owner's manual or anything like that, but a couple of different things. You could just pull the glove box out and look, which may be time consuming, and then you'd be saying some bad words about me if you look back there and it's not there.

So, I'll say in advance that the other option would be for you to look around and see if you can find something on the internet that might confirm that that's where it's at. Or maybe a caller might call in during the show and let us know, yeah, that resistor block is behind the glove box. And what do y'all usually charge if y'all have to pull the glove box out and do that? Well, that would fall under, it would be more than just pulling the glove box out if we did it because, of course, we would diagnose it. A lot of times if somebody's replacing a part themselves, then it's absolutely fine to say, well, this is most likely it.

I'll put this on. But when a repair shop replaces a part, we have to know it's it because if it don't, then we have to buy that part ourself and put it on ourself and so we don't have it. So it runs 125 to run the diagnostic test on that.

That would include pulling the box out, running the test and locating where the problem is. And the part is not that difficult to replace once it's out. There would probably be some charges putting it on, but it wouldn't be that much. Same way with the resistor. Some of those I've seen that can be a little bit expensive on the resistors, but some are not that much.

And I think that was sort of medium range. I'm going to guess that that resistor unit is right around the $100 range for the part itself. Okay, so luckily I could be in and out of your shop for about $300.

I would say that that's a very high probability, yeah. Now, of course, what we would do and what most shops do is they would give you a charge for testing. They would say this is what it will run. And we do that so that you'll have an idea of saying, well, if I decide not to get it fixed, this is the most I'll spend without them calling me unless they call and say this is what it needs and this is the cost. So that's what I would recommend wherever you go, and that way you don't have any surprises when you pick the car up. But then always say, well, give me a call before you go any further than that.

And then that way you'll know every step of the way how much something cost. Okay, well, I do appreciate that, guys. And you all have a good day. Oh, we thank you.

You have a wonderful day also. I was thinking of, thank you, and I was thinking of other items there, Carol, that good gift ideas. And one would be earbuds. I mean, a lot of fathers have earbuds already. But if not, if they don't have any earbuds and they do very much driving at all, wouldn't be a bad idea for a set of those.

And you can get them in all price ranges that you look at. Another one like one of these fast pass things. It would be a fast pass to a car wash. Well, I thought about that also.

I had that down, a wash detail, and they have it now to where in most car washes you can pay a small amount and go all month long. You can go every day. Okay. And have them done. Okay. Well, we're going to take a break. We'll be right back after this. It's time for more good stuff with Aaron Clements and John Ryan Mooney. And we're back with you if it's Saturday mornings, 805 to 10, you can be dialing 800-224-9090 or 706-863-5800.

And you can watch us live at ccautoshow.com or Facebook. We will go directly to the phones and let's go over to Rich. Rich, welcome to the CNC auto show.

Yes, sir. I just want to offer a bit of helpful advice for the guy who couldn't get his key out of the condition earlier. That's what it's all about. Well, I had a waste basket strapped to my gear shift and it pulled it slightly over to the right, not allowing the gear shift to go back to the left in the default position. And the truck never perceived that it was fully in park and wouldn't release my key.

When I took that pressure off of the waste receptacle, it allowed the gear shift to go into the right position and release the key. So that might help somebody. Excellent.

It will. Oh, that because you mentioned, and that is something I didn't even think about that maybe is, uh, maybe he's got a shift interlock type problem to where he's not able to, where something's not pulling as far as it should. So to key a turn.

So that was a great suggestion. And let's go to the next caller. Bill, Bill, welcome to the CNC auto show.

And what can we help you with? Hey, I got a, um, a cool father, uh, story to tell y'all. Well, my dad, uh, had a, uh, 2003 GMC Sonoma.

And, you know, they're just the fancy name for a Chevy S 10. And, and so, and so what happened was this was about seven, eight years ago and what happened was he passed away and, uh, my mom who is now 88, uh, didn't want to take care of the truck anymore. So she gave it to me. So, uh, I've been driving it ever since I even used the truck. I went to, um, the Augusta tech automotive technician course with good old Mr. Davis, and we use that truck as a project. When you go through the eight different series of, uh, you know, instruction, suspension, transmission, engine, air condition, and we just used it and rebuilt the whole thing. And now I've been driving it all these years back and forth from Thompson's and McCormick because I take care of my 88 year old mother and it's running great. And I imagine you think of your dad all while you're driving, uh, many, many times. Beautiful.

Every day, all the time. That is beautiful. Bill, thank you for a beautiful story on the Sonoma. Okay. And you are in the running now. Thank you. You take care. Okay. The number to call 7 0 6 8 6 3 5 800.

I'm going to lay that tech tip quiz back on the table. Uh, Susan lives two hours away from her dad. Last year, she bought her dad a gift to use in his 2003 Acura.

He recently went to visit her, but because he was cutting tomatoes and because of the gift she had given him last year, he was not able to go home for a week. Why, if you don't answer, give us a call. And in the meantime, let's go talk to Bobby. Bobby.

Welcome to the CNC auto show. Bobby. Okay. We're Bobby. Are you there?

Once going twice. Okay. Bobby is not, we're not able to pick him up right now. So Bobby, if you hear us, give us a call back and we're going to mention a couple of other things that are great gift ideas. One I'm going to mention, this is a good one to me, would be a coffee cup. Dads love to drink coffee. And there's a, there's, there's many, many ideas for coffee. And one would be a coffee cup with a car emblem on it.

His favorite type car might be a Mustang, a Miata, whatever. But a coffee cup is good. And of course you can get it with like the emblems. You can also get heated coffee cups for the car.

And you, you may even consider putting a coffee card, like going to one of the favorite coffee houses at Starbucks or something like that, or some type of coffee card in there to get some free coffee when you do that. So that is a good one. Another good one, a coolers. Coolers have come a long way. They even have coolers that some cars you can set them and let them be a console.

And they may even have a chill feature inside there. So those are all great ideas. And let's go straight over to Paul. Paul, welcome to the CNC auto show.

What can we help you with? Well, good morning, guys. I appreciate your show each weekend.

I listen to it. This is a body shop question for Carol. I've got an old Honda, 93 Accord. It's been garaged literally its whole life and I keep it waxed up. But I'm starting to see some clear coat issues.

It's not coming off, but it looks like it's starting to wear down. I think I've literally about waxed through the clear coat. The base coat's fine.

It's all original from 93. Now, some parts on the car have been shot after a couple unfortunate driveway accidents. But I just wonder, can clear coat be shot over old clear coat? Can it be roughed up and redone or does it have to be stripped all the way down to base coat and then new base coat? Well, the general rule of thumb, part of the adhesion process, the ideal adhesion process is a chemical bond between the base coat and the clear coat. When we do some paint processes, we sand good clear coat and we put clear over the top of it and you get a mechanical bond. If the clear coat is breaking down and getting bad, more than likely it's damaged the base coat a little bit and what you can't see. And it would be better to go ahead and reapply the base coat and the clear coat.

And to be honest with you... These are like real fine lines and it's almost like crazing, but it's not down to... If you polish it up with wax, it looks pretty good. If it's got those cracks in it, you can't see the cracks, but microscopically they have penetrated down into the base coat.

And that would be... We've gone all the way down. We would recommend to be able to give a lifetime warranty on that refinish, stripping it to bare metal, re-e-coating it, priming it and painting it. Okay. That's what I was wondering. I'm probably just going to keep her waxed up for now because it looks great. And if it gets to the point where it starts peeling, then I have to do that.

Paul, I was going to mention something to you and ask Carol's opinion on it. And actually my son got a truck recently and one of the first things he did with the truck when he bought it was he put some of the ceramic wax on there. Ceramic coating? Is that something that Paul may be able to try to see if that may offset the loss of some of his clear coat? He's still going to have damaged clear coat underneath it.

Generally, the only experience I've had with ceramic is my son had his truck ceramic coated and I was utterly amazed at how deep a shine that the ceramic... I mean, I know what we did to the truck when we repainted it and it was basically about a $10,000 paint job on his truck. And then when he put the ceramic coating on it, but I believe the ceramic coating's got to go over a good intact clear coat.

As expensive as it is, I don't think I would waste it putting it on. Well, this is just regular wax he rubbed it on and rubbed it off himself. I'm just talking about the wax, not the spray. Paul, what I was thinking, if you would run an experiment for us, if you would, the next time your car is ready for wax, if you'll buy some of that ceramic wax and put it on there and come back and let us know how that did. And that will be the experiment on that type paint to see if it offsets any type of issues like that. I'm going to try that. I've been using Mother's brand and they've got a cleaner carnauba that works real good.

And then I've gone with, I've got a newer car. I use just the straight carnauba, but they do have a ceramic. I've had real good luck with the brand. I'm going to pick some up and I'll give it a shot. Yeah. And you're going to get back with us on it, right?

Sure will. All right. Thank you, Paul. Okay.

The number to call 706-863-5800. Let's go straight over to John. John, welcome to the CNC auto show. Well, thank you, Aaron. I enjoy your show every weekend here. Oh, we appreciate that. Got a quick car story for you. Kind of funny.

We are ready. I was stationed down in Albany, Georgia at the Marine Corps base there. And I had a good friend and his daughter was about the same age as my kids. He got a phone call one day and he said a few words and he slammed the phone down, took off running. And he come back in the afternoon and asked him what it was all about. And he says, well, his daughter called.

She just got her license about two weeks ago and he got her a car and everything. She calls and says, daddy, I've been in an accident. And he went through the normal stuff, you know, oh, my goodness, are you okay? How's the other person? Anybody hurt?

You know, and all this stuff. And how's the car? She says, well, the car is kind of messed up in front, which means she totaled it. Well, that could be fixed. How's the other car?

She says, oh, daddy, the policeman's car is all messed up. Oh, no. Yeah. That's fine. Thank you.

And that's going to put you into running for the car story. And so you may win a $25 O'Reilly gift card and we appreciate it. Well, thank you. Thank you.

Okay. Number to call 7 0 6 8 6 3 5 800. We'll be right back after this. Welcome back to more of the CNC auto show with Airman Clements and John Ryan Mooney. If you have a question about your car truck SUV, you give us call that number 7 0 6 8 6 3 5 800 or 800 2 2 4 9 0 9 0. And that's Saturday mornings, 8 0 5 to 10 Eastern time. And we are ready to go to the phones and we have Bobby.

Bobby, welcome to the CNC auto show. And what can we help you with? Good morning. Hope you guys doing good.

I appreciate you. So I recently inherited my mother's 97 Buick, the saber typical little old lady's car been garage kept low mileage. Looks like new today. Wow.

Very nice. Six or seven years ago, she was smelling gasoline in her garage. So she got a local company to check it out. And they said her gas tank was leaking. She was going to have a new gas back. So they put a new gas back on the car and they brought it home, paid the big money and brought it home. And two or three months later, he smelled gas again.

And it gets kind of confusing. They had some excuses and then they said she was going to have to have another new gas tank because she had apparently run over something in the road and the gas tank was caved in. And she, you know, she drove that car to Walmart and church.

I mean, two, three, four miles a week. She said she has absolutely not run over anything. And she used to be a hard head, a little old lady. And she said, I have not said you have. So she called me at this point and I said, well, I'll be over there shortly. So we went over there and got her car and to another fellow that owns a little independent independent shop.

He's been doing. Doing mechanic work for years, but anyway, and he said, well, it looks like they apparently when they installed the gas tank, they caved it in. If you didn't run over anything, they probably used the transmission jack or something to raise it up and.

However, they did it. So he said, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll go to the one to pull apart some other place and find a huge tank that'll fit it. And he put it on the back up before he did that, the car was popping, even that he would drive it somewhere in the garage, like something popping in the trunk. Yeah. And, and so I looked and I couldn't figure out anything, but through this course of events, this next guy, he did find a used tank that fit it perfect, right tank for it. And he didn't damage it, put it in. It was fine, but it still pops to the day, especially if you got a full tank of gas.

Yeah. I was going to mention to you as you were talking, I had some feelings on what it was in your last part kind of confirmed it. You have a, you most likely have a purge or vent valve that is bad on that vehicle. You know, years ago, cars used to, a gas cap was just vented and all of the vapor from inside the gas cap would just go out into the atmosphere. And they didn't like that cause, which is good that they didn't because it was letting fuel vapors go into the air, which is bad. So what they come up with is a way to where when the, when the fuel tank vents, the vented air goes into a charcoal canister. And then when the engine under certain conditions riding down the road, a valve opens and let it re-burn those fuel vapors into the engine, works very good. But what is happening with this car is the vent valve being stopped up is doing the same thing. If you've ever tried to pour gas out of a can and it didn't have a vent, you'll kind of see the sides kind of suck in a little bit. And that's what's happening to your gas tank. It's just sucking the gas tank up.

And so I don't think the first person damaged it or the second person damaged it. I think what's happening is the vacuum is sucking the gas tank shut or collapsing it. And so I would replace the vent valve and the purge valve and that has to do with the evaporative control system on the vehicle.

And that should take care of your problem. Is that in the tank or under the hood? No, they're under the car. One is under the car, one's under the hood. And they're not major expensive and they're something, and they're not major hard to replace on that particular vehicle.

So that would be to me what I would recommend doing. And I think it's so nice for you to have a vehicle that you can drive that reminds you of your mother and all the wonderful things that she did. 91 years old. She's been gone three weeks now. Oh my goodness. She drove that car up until last Christmas. Wow.

I'm so sorry for your loss, but I think that is really good that you're able to remember by driving the car. Ballpark on what it would cost just to replace those two items? This is a ballpark because the computer, there's some resetting we normally do on the computer when we do that.

Ballpark in the $250, $300 range. I may be off on that, but that's my first thought. Yeah.

And you know, one of her concerns is still is mine and we never put it to bed because after December last year she quit driving. But any danger in it? I mean, because of the pressure or vacuum? Well, it'll suck the gas tank shut again eventually.

So really the right way would be to put those on there. But if you was to put a vented gas cap on it, it wouldn't, you might find it not doing it, but I don't know. That's really, you'd let it vapor come out into the atmosphere, which is not a great thing. So, um, I believe I'd get vent valve and purge valve, but it's not a, it's not anything.

It's not going to cause the car to break down. No. Right. Well, breaking down is one thing, but exploding is another thing. Yeah.

Either one of those are bad. Yeah. But anyway, I, um, I don't see what, what I've done around here and I might like trip to see you guys. But anyway, I want to keep this automobile pristine.

Like I said, it was garage kept all its life and looks like new, no dash fund damage anything. Okay. I appreciate your show and I thank you very much.

And I may see you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay.

Uh, number to call 7 0 6 8 6 3 5 800. Uh, we have Jim paid on the line and he is going to be judging the car story. So if, um, I was going to go over to Debbie and if it's a real quick car story, so we have time to, uh, for Jim to pick the, uh, the winner, uh, we'll go with that.

Debbie is your, is your car story kind of a quick one so we can go over to the judge? Yes, sir. It sure is.

We're ready. Um, uh, thank you. I enjoy your show as well too. Thank you. Um, my father, uh, had a Buick Enclave that he had bought just before, uh, he passed away at 2012 and I'd actually gone to Atlanta and bought that car with him and he passed away about five weeks after he bought it. So as the estate came along, I ended up buying the car out for my brother and sister because I was just, you know, sentimental about it. Well, that car is the end of that really helping me later because I'm in Medicare sales and I live in the county, but I cover 15 counties. So that car is used to serve those people that are, um, a Medicare aid that are disabled and that are, uh, low income. I go to food banks with it.

I give away, I work for WellCare, so I give away items, go out and reach out all those communities to meet those people. So he never knew what happened to that car, but it had a ministry of its own. Oh, Debbie, thank you so much. So we're going to go to the judge and let's go straight over to Jim. Jim, we're running out of time, but can you name the winner real quickly? Yes, Joan and I've gone over it and we favor and awarded to bill with a 2003 GMC Sonoma share that vehicle with an educational facility continues to drive it these years later, seven, eight years later. So still in the family, still going strong and he did some good work with it. Jim, I want to say thank you to you and, and he'll been, and he'll contact us this week and we'll get a prize to him. And I want to say thank you to you and John for being our official judges again. And I want to say thank you to everyone else for, uh, for tuning in to the CNC auto show.

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