Welcome to the CNC Auto Show. I'm Eric Clements here with co-host Justin Courtney. Good morning Justin. Good morning Aaron. Good to see you. And good to see you.
Good to be here with you and Mason this morning. We've got a fantastic show planned for today. It's going to be a good one. It's interesting.
I find when we were talking yesterday I thought this is going to be interesting. A lot of good stuff here. Yeah it's going to be a lot of interesting stuff. A lot of fun stuff. And different things. And it'll be things that'll make you look at some things in a different light.
Yeah for sure. And it's just a lot of fun. Gaining information, talking about cars.
To me that's all American. We're here to give you that information on ways to make your car safe, dependable and to make it last longer for less money. Justin are we ready to crank this bad boy up? Let's do it. Alright let's fire it up. We're ready to answer your automotive questions. But we will also have some fun.
But just dial 800-224-9090 and join us because we're going to have some fun. We will be talking about different ways to power vehicles. And some of it may be powering a car. Some may be powering trucks, motorcycles. Anything that moves.
Yeah anything that moves. And there's a very many advantages and disadvantages to many of the power sources. And we'll just talk about each one and find out what some of the advantages are. And Justin I'm not sure how you've looked at so many different things as far as the different type power sources. You have your ICE engines. Internal Combustion Engines.
Yeah that's an acronym we use. Yes and then you also have your electric vehicles, your hybrid vehicles. All of these different vehicles, there's pros and cons to each one. And I think knowing that is a good way for you to make that decision for yourself. Make sure you have all your facts.
Because there's some things that you may or may not, that may not be projected into the limelight that you may or may not see about certain things. One may be great for someone who does a lot of traveling on the road. One may be good for someone who wants the very best fuel mileage and one might be the best for someone who is pulling a trailer of some kind or a work vehicle or carrying a lot of people. So again there's advantages and disadvantages to each one. And if we go forward we'll discuss those. Now of course one of the things we always do though is start out with a tech tip quiz. Yeah so here we go.
If you're the winner you will receive one of these fantastic I answered the tech tip quiz coffee mugs which I hold in my hand. There it is. Right now. If you're watching you can see it.
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Yes it is on YouTube also. So watch us and you will have the opportunity to win that coffee mug once you answer this tech tip quiz. Jill drove her 2018 Toyota Prius at 75 miles per hour for almost two hours to get to her destination. She had something done to the Prius at her destination and drove the same route back going 75 but it took her almost three hours to get back. The route and traffic were the same. Why?
And if you know the answer you give us a call again at number 800-224-9090 or you can call 706-863-5800 for that answer. And Justin are you ready for us to cover the first one or the first vehicle? The first example of our yeah which is probably the most common what most of us deal with every day.
Do you agree? Well I was thinking more if we go ahead and cover the most the one that's in the news right now the most. I mean the most talked about type vehicle source right now would be the electric vehicle. The electric vehicle for sure okay all right. We'll cover it first and not counting hybrids and electric vehicles the not counting hybrids the electric vehicles make up less than 1% of the cars in the US but 80% of the automotive news and with that since it is such a small percentage it's going to be very difficult to tell a lot of the things that are going to be going on in the future as that number grows. And one thing I think that everyone should remember we are not against the electric cars.
I think that there's going to be a great place for them. About this and that and you should do this or that that's not that's not our place here to give information. And there's some there's some great sides to it. I mean and it's a great option for a lot of people but I think what's happening is so many times we are giving given only part of the information there and a lot of people really don't know the complete story to electric vehicles. And again there's a lot of good there but there's also some things that you really really should know and I think that part of that is that on the electric vehicles of course the good side we'll look at the good side first. You don't have to put gas in. Yeah you don't have to put gas that's a that's a good thing. And over the life of a vehicle that does equate to much less emissions out there but. The tailpipe.
Is an electric vehicle really zero emission? That's the question. To the end user? Uh huh. Maybe. Yes. But not not so much then you have to look at the the lifespan of that vehicle is that when that battery which inevitably it probably will be replaced at some point what do you what what happens to that battery? Well you got the battery. Even before that but when the battery is made. Yeah.
We'll get into that. Yeah we'll cover the first part I think that we'll cover is is the part having to do with the vehicle has to be charged. Yep you got to plug it in and that power comes from somewhere. Yes.
It's not there's not magic there's not a you know lightning bolts come out of the sky and charge your car. Right. And many times that's done with coal and. Coal fired generated people. Yeah a lot of folks don't realize that a lot of our power comes from coal fired steam turbines.
Yeah so you have that. The next thing you have is it takes certain metals. And sometimes these metals can be very topsy.
Oh it's terribly. Yeah nickel lithium cobalt a lot of these a lot of these metals you do have to do certain environmentally unfriendly things to get these certain items and also a lot of these metals that are that are producing these batteries do come from other countries. Russia I think is a big one in China. China is very very huge as far as making them and there's a lot of other ones. Over in some of these countries they're okay with the environmental destruction if it's if it's in the name of profit.
Right. And they are and in some cases they are using child labor to bring these items there. To mine lithium and the process to make some of these batteries is so toxic that they won't even do it. And most developed countries won't even do it because it's they have laws against it.
In other countries they don't care. And there is there's a outside Ontario Canada which they they're pretty particular about their environment in Canada but where they mine I don't even know what chemical which metal it is it's nickel or something. NASA uses that to test their lunar rovers and stuff and because the ground is so barren and desolate and ruined that it makes it good. But there's also some other parts of this I mean the the certain metals to make the batteries right now. They're not going to last forever.
Some say 20 years some say 40 some say 100. But the fact is these metals these rare metals they will get more expensive as they're used more and more. And some say that some of these metals may be up there with the price of gold. For instance lithium.
As batteries become more and more popular the price will get very expensive. Hey we need to take a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Driving cross country with two young children is ambitious to say the least. Then our check engine light came on. We pulled into O'Reilly Auto Parts and they tested it.
Turned out it was a faulty sensor. They referred us to a great mechanic just down the street and we were back on the road in no time. And I am Aaron Clements here with automotive expert Justin Courtney.
We need to make a well we we are back with you. And we were talking about electric cars. Talking about electric cars batteries things that go along with that. And some of the I think that we covered a lot of the downside to the electric vehicles themselves. We covered some upsides and of course the upside is zero emissions. Once the batteries are in place you don't have to put gas in the vehicle. You do have to there's emissions coming from wherever the electricity is coming from.
Wherever the electricity is made. Now the other issue that has been an issue with electric vehicles has had to do with the range. In the beginning a lot of the vehicles had very little range.
Some 80, 100 miles. Now some vehicles are coming up and they're running 200, 300 miles or more and you do see some with even more. So that is much better than it was before. Battery technology, motor technology has come probably just in the last couple of years. It's probably moved forward more in the last couple of years than it has in the previous 20.
And the goal would be that it would continue to go. Now in my opinion I think making the decision on an electric vehicle or a conventional fuel engine or other power source would have to do with some of your driving habits and of course no doubt it would have to do with how much you have to invest. With an electric vehicle you have to invest a lot more in the beginning.
Now as time goes on you'll save a lot of that money back. But a lot of it has to do with your driving habits. So what I encourage everyone to do is if you are considering something like that don't just think of that you're going to buy an electric vehicle and you're not going to have any emission output. You're not harming the environment whatsoever. There are some downsides but of course there are a lot of upsides.
So just do the research. Electric vehicles are very powerful. They make instant torque. They make max torque at 1 RPM. They're just instant. They're beautiful to drive.
I love driving. They're smooth, quiet. No there are upsides. They're not sitting here trying to bash the electric vehicle.
They're upsides. They're cool. My brother has one. He has a Tesla. And it's just cool. There's lots of things that the car does. The folks at Tesla, I'm not trying to sell Teslas, but they have a sense of humor and they're clever. And they have little funny things. There's little Easter eggs hidden in the car that it does. And they're just kind of cool.
They're upscale and they're trendy. So there's that. And my goal is on the electric vehicles is that in the future, a lot of those downsides that I mentioned, I would hope that a lot of those would disappear. You never know. They may find a way to make batteries from kudzu or ouchie or pine trees. When the technology changes, I know we're going to get into this later, with hydrogen, not hydrogen powered as such, but in the fuel cell form, then you have one emission.
Well two. You have hot air and water. And we'll get to that.
Because that's just electricity. When the technology changes enough for that, we can really get somewhere. Yes. We may have some phone issues, but I'm going to go to the phones and see. Well, we are not going to the phones because we still...
It looks like we have somebody there, but the software is not jihad quite right. We do have some phone issues. So we will go to our next vehicle that we were talking about. And with that, we will go to one of the more common... More mainstream situations.
More mainstream. That we see every day. And that would be our gas four cycle engine.
Gas four cycle engine with a regular automatic or manual transmission. And they are... And they have come a long way also. There's a lot of things that they're able to do. They produce more power than they did before. They emit less emissions than they did before. And they can last longer than they have before.
So there's just so many good things there. And in my opinion, the internal combustion engine will continue to get better and better as time goes on. With the things they've done with the cam timing and combustion chamber design and exhaust and everything, they've got the emissions. It burns gas, so there's going to be emissions.
It's just going to be there. But the four cylinders that they're making now make the power that the V8 had 20 years ago. And they get better mileage, and they have more power, and they are better made in a lot of cases. So the engineering of a four cycle engine comes leaps and bounds. And Justin, one of the things that I found is that it's like you mentioned, even the four cylinder engines are producing more power. But I like to drive different vehicles.
I have to make some trips from time to time. And on a trip that I made about two months ago, I drove a Mustang. And actually, I had to stop the vehicle just to convince myself and raise the hood to convince myself that that is a four cylinder engine. It had so much power. It was probably a turbo.
Yeah, it was. But it had so much power, and it also got good fuel mileage. It probably got 40 miles to the gallon on the highway or close to it. I don't remember what that one had, but I will say that just last week, well actually it was this week, I made a trip, made about a six hour trip.
And this time I went in a little Versa. And what was amazing, that car, it wasn't extra powerful, it didn't feel like the Mustang or anything, but it had the power that I needed. It'll go down the road at the speed limit. Yeah, and it got 37 miles per gallon. And I thought that was pretty neat, drove very well. It wasn't anything extra special, but I feel like it was a good form of transportation with good fuel mileage. So my goal, just like I had a goal for the electric vehicles, for them to find solutions to a lot of those downsides, like the toxic metals that go into the batteries and a lot of the other downfalls.
What does that battery do? I feel like they'll continue to do good things to the internal combustion engine. The technology is still, in the grand scheme of things, the technology of electric vehicles, even though technically they've been around since the 60s, but not really.
Really they've been around for a couple of years. Okay, we'll take a quick break, we'll be right back after this. And we're back. Sorry about that, folks, if y'all had a little bit of a quiet spot there going on. We had some technical difficulties, but I believe we got it all back. Don't you think, Aaron? I think everything's in good shape now and the phone should be working.
The phone should be working. In fact, it looks like we got somebody sitting there patiently waiting to speak with us. And it looks like Billy is waiting.
So, Billy, what do you got for us? Hey, we're talking about electric cars. We are. We just a couple months back on I-95, there was a snowstorm, an ice storm that came through there that shut down about six miles of cars that were stuck overnight. And so you get all these cars, if they're electric and the people are trying to stay warm and they wind up killing their batteries, how are they going to go out there and charge up all them miles of cars and get them off of there to open the freeway back up? That's a good point.
And that's just one of the many things that have to be debated when you're when these things because you can't. But that happens with gas engines, too. That guy froze to death when he when he ran out of gas. But it probably took a lot longer.
Probably took a lot longer. Electric. You could charge on electric once in a couple hours, right? You know, you put some gas in, crank it up and go. That's a good point. And that's just one of the things that has to be thought about when before the whole world goes mainstream electric.
Yeah. And Billy, I guess what happened is instead of a person getting out and walking to the gas station with a can, you walk with a drop cord or either a booster box and go charge up his booster. Have a generator. We'll be able to drive back. Well, maybe that's something we need to be thinking about. A booster box that boosted up long enough for two miles to get you off the road.
You know, I mean, you can jump it, jump the 12 votes, no problem. But, you know, if you could come up with a booster that would put, you know, a five minute charge on one of those cars and get them off the road, that'd be worth some money. So we need to be planning ahead. Well, Billy, I will tell you that there are trucks now that can be called that that are built for going to recharge a person on the road. They have electric generators. And if you're driving an electric vehicle and you lose your charge and you run out, you call them. And this is in larger cities, but they'll pull in and they'll recharge your battery for you enough where you can get to a charging station. And some of them, in some of those things, it takes so long to charge, sometimes several hours. They actually have a rollback and they'll take your car to a supercharger. They call it a supercharger. Right. And they'll do that. There's another thing that we didn't really touch on this.
Not yet, I don't think. But with the other high, there's another kind of hybrid called a plug hybrid. And Chevy did it years ago with the Volt. The Volt and there's other ones, too, was technically an electric car, Billy. The engine was no way connected to the wheels. It had an engine, but it was just a generator.
So in your situation, in your situation on the coming through the grapevine or wherever you're at and froze up, then at least you would have that. So that might not. But it's a it's a tiny little engine that runs at a certain RPM. It doesn't accelerate.
It doesn't decelerate. It gets really good fuel, you know, emissions. Yeah, but that would work, too. I have one more component about electric cars and I'm done. The complaint is, why don't they make all of the plug-ins to charge universal so that no matter what you pull into, you can charge your car. I know Kroger has several of those charging stations over there.
One of them does a different thing. But if we were to do that, then we could pull in any of them anywhere and get a charge. Yeah. And that's some of the things that I think will evolve. I think that the adapters are, you know, I hate to have to haul around all that mess, but it's like.
You know, lots of stuff is, you know, from one manufacturer to the next, but it will it will need to be standardized at some point. But Billy, that's the good point about what we're doing right now. And that's one of the reasons we didn't want to just talk about all the fluff having to do with electric vehicles and say, hey, this is great.
This is great. We wanted to also talk about some of the downsides, because that's how we solve problems. All of us getting together and talking about the good, talking about the bad. And then you got that many more people thinking about ways to solve different issues that are there.
Get a bunch of smart people involved and throw a bunch of ideas up against the wall and see what sticks. Yeah. So I think those are great points, Billy, and great things for us. Thank you very much for the call, Billy. Thank you. Thank you so much. Have a good day. Bye bye. But yeah, that's a there's a so many different debates that could go on.
Yes. We as a as a society, not just in America, but everywhere, so dependent on our gasoline engines. We you know, we don't know what to we have no, you know, don't have what to do. We all evolve as a lot of ideas.
A lot of ideas. One of my one of my issues is I don't think that we should move too fast in a way to where you cause pain or harm to a lot of people. I think it should be done in a way to where these problems are solved before we go to the next step and full stream and then solve, solve another problem before you go to full stream and do it for your britches, so to speak. Yeah, because, I mean, we need to talk about these things. I mean, we have to we have toxic metals that are going to go somewhere. I mean, going somewhere, you know, one battery is bad now. Most car batteries are most vehicle batteries are recycled. Well, they're lead acid. Yeah, they're totally recyclable. Yeah. And now some of the metals in them are so expensive to where they can be more and more valuable as like having converters that people steal.
People are trying to steal batteries out of out of the neighbors Tesla. You ready to go to the next car? Let's do it. Let's see here. We got Bill standing by.
Nice and patiently. Bill, are you there? Yes, sir. I'm here. How are y'all this morning?
Good morning, sir. Very well. I'm OK. Those Tesla's cars. I was out there in Phoenix, Arizona. Let me tell you a little bit about gasoline and diesel motors, OK? I have a 2019 F-250 diesel truck and I was going to Phoenix, Arizona to race. Well, on the way out to Phoenix, Arizona, I get about 100 miles from Phoenix, Arizona, and the motor blows up in my truck. Oh.
2019. It cost me $25,100 to get a new motor put in it and I was stranded for 22 days. While I was out there, while I was out there, you pull up to the stop signs and you look around half of them are electric cars.
Oh, yeah. So I went to the Tesla dealership. They had three of them there.
$40,000, $50,000, $60,000. They said, which one do you want to drive? I said, I'll drive the $50,000 one. So I got in it. Go ahead. They give you this little plastic key and you push the little screen and it tells you where to fit the key in the car to crank the car up. It won't be in one spot. You can't steal these cars.
No, we can't steal them. OK. All right. So I got in the car and I said, this thing feels kind of heavy. I'm a racer. So I'm a little know a little bit about racing, about fast. So, you know, I went back left and right, left and right with a steering wheel to see how, you know, feeling that things feel pretty good. So I turned around and I was pretty straight, but I was kind of sideways and I stopped it.
And it threw me up against the seat so bad. It went from zero to 60 in less than four seconds. Very, very fast. They're very fast and they're very, very electric stuff is very, very, very, very, very good. It's a hell of a lot better than gasoline motors by far. Yeah. We have electric motors underneath the water for 20 years and they still work perfectly.
No, they are. Let me get through Stan and I'll let y'all talk. But I'm real, I'm good on this electric stuff. So I bought a Tesla big truck. It cost one hundred eighty thousand miles.
It cost one hundred eighty thousand dollars. I got two of them, one three hundred miles, one five hundred miles. I bought the five hundred mile Tesla big truck.
It goes from zero to 60 in four seconds with eighty thousand pounds. The first year that I have this truck, I'm going to save myself two hundred thousand dollars in fuel. And when will you get it? Are they taking orders for them now? Is that the deal? They're taking orders now. You give them twenty, you give them five thousand dollars down, then they take another fifteen thousand out of your town within ten days. And then you sit there and wait about a year. But they got them in New York right now walking like local and testing them and all this stuff.
And they're going to be on the market. Thank you very much for your call. We've got to take a break. That is awesome, Bill. Thank you, Bill. Thank you for your insight. You're welcome. That was a wonderful call.
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Having to do with different power sources on vehicles. And we had a great call from Bill just before we went to the break. And Bill had an issue with his 2019 F-250, and he was in Phoenix, had a major engine problem. He ended up purchasing a Tesla truck. Yeah, the big truck, the commercial vehicle. Yeah, and he was given a lot of the good points about doing that.
And again, there are some great points there. And of course, he loved the power. He had the opportunity to drive a Tesla vehicle out there, and he loved it. Folks listening, if you get a chance, when you're not listening to the show, go on YouTube and pull out...
I think it's on YouTube or wherever. There's a guy who has a Tesla car, and it's pretty much all stock. You can't really modify them.
What are you going to do? It's electric. All he did was do weight reduction. He took some of the heavy interior pieces out. He took it to the drag strip and was terrorizing full-on drag cars. A big V8 on slicks with nitrous and everything, and he was just wearing them all out. Yeah.
Yeah, so they are very, very, very fast. Yeah, very good. Okay, give us a call. Join the show.
800-224-9090, or you can call 706-863-5800. And we will go through the tech tip quiz one more time, and we will lay it back out on the table. Jill drove her 2018 Toyota Prius at 75 miles per hour for almost two hours to get to her destination. She had something done to the Prius at her destination and drove the same route going back at 75, but it took her over three hours to get back.
The route and traffic were the same. If you know the answer, give us a call, and we will talk about the next vehicle that we have there, and that would be the two-cycle engine. Two-stroke, yep. Yeah, two-cycle engines, and there's some good sides to them, but there's also some reasons that they're going away.
Justin, what would you think the main reason would be? The good things? Well, yeah, good.
Some of the good, some of the bad. I remember when I was a kid, Dad raced dirt bikes, and I can still picture the sound of those things outside. Old, you know, this was in the 70s, old, real noisy, smoky two-strokes.
You could smell the caster. But yeah, two-strokes make a ton of power for a small, small package. They're really lightweight. There's only a few moving parts, really just a crank and a piston and rod, and that's about it. There's no valves, no cam chains, no camshafts, no none of that, but they're dirty. The way they run is dirty. They use the exhaust through transfer ports and stuff. The exhaust is what helps pull the fresh air, the air fuel charge in. So some of that fuel is going right out the exhaust, and it's inherently how they run.
There's no way around it. So they're dirty. I want to say, I don't think there are any two-stroke dirt bikes anymore. There may be. I believe they do, but they're less and less. And you can't buy them out west.
You can't even buy them in California, I don't think. And the same way with a lot of the power tools that you have, and not only power tools, but lawn equipment that people use. It used to be the gas blowers were two-cycle and the weed eaters. They're lightweight, lots of power.
Yeah, and you would always see the person out there doing things, and smoke would be coming out of their thing. But more and more of those are going either electric or four-stroke. You go to Home Depot now, or Lowe's, and there's aisles of electric tools.
Everything is 40 volt, 48 volt, which is great. I have an electric trimmer, and you charge that it's got a pretty good-sized battery. It'll run for hours, and you don't have to worry about cranking it up and going and getting gas and everything. So there's definitely a plus side to it.
Yeah, there's definitely plus sides. Okay, we'll go to the phones. We'll go over to Ron. Ron, welcome to the CNC Auto Show, and what can we help you with?
Hey, thank you very much. Your partner there was just briefly talking about the electric tools. What made electric tools so much better is the lithium batteries.
Back when we had the NiCad batteries, they didn't last long, and they didn't have a long span. But anyway, on the electric cars, I'm very interested, too. I'm looking at it this way, an electric car for around town driving. Now, people, first thing they think of, well, if I go out of town, I'm going to run out of electricity. Of course you are if you don't travel a pre-planned route.
You got to go by what a computer tells you to do. But anyway, on the hybrid, I'm also interested in a hybrid pickup, but you can't get it now, the Ford Maverick. One thing I would want to hang up, I'd like for you to explain all the hybrid vehicles have what they call an Atkinson cycle engine.
I would like for you to explain what that means and I'll hang up. OK, sometimes known as the five cycle. It uses the Atkinson cycle. It uses an extra exhaust stroke to I'd have to I'd have to get my phone and Google it. It's been so long since I read about it, but it's still it still works like a four stroke. But the five it does it holds one of the exhaust valves open longer to evacuate the cylinder. I'd have to I'd have to look it up to remember it's been 10 years since I read about the Atkinson cycle. But the nickname for it was the five stroke or the five cycle. And I can't remember exactly what the idea was. It's for emissions and it makes it run more stable at a certain RPM or something because they don't have to accelerate.
And Ron was right. In many cases, you can there's there's a lot of really good cases where an electric vehicle could come in really, really well. There are some cases where it might not do so well. So I think we continue to do some research on those type items. We will go over to John. John, welcome to the CNC Auto Show. What can we help you with? Good morning, Aaron. How are you guys doing today? Doing great.
What can we help with? I have 0700 F-150 and it's over one hundred fifty thousand miles. And normally nowadays you go to anybody for oil. Oil change placed and they they'll tell you they're not going to change the transmission fluid because it will mess it up. The detergent and as I understand it. But I had a friend of mine who was telling me that as long as they don't flush the system, if they just drop the pan on the transmission and put new fluid in there, that it won't mess it up. What's what's the real deal?
Oh, go ahead, Justin. Well, it's that's kind of a toss up. If if the transmission fluid has been replaced every 50 or 60 thousand miles thus far, then, yeah, no worries. But if it's been one hundred and fifty thousand and it's never been touched, there is a chance that that fresh detergent package that you put in there with all that nice, fresh new oil will clean all that varnish and all that stuff out of the inside of there. And it can. I have seen it happen. It can cause more trouble than it fixes. But if if you know for a fact it's been serviced, you know, say it's it's on its third one, then, yeah, go for it. John, I'm I'm going to look at this a little bit differently from the experience I had.
And you look at it or you're talking to a person that has had experience all the way from many, many years back, how transmission services has evolved. Many years back, if a transmission had one hundred one hundred and twenty five thousand miles on it, fluid would discolored discolored and it's never been serviced. They would pull the pan down. They would put another filter on there. Then they would put in five quarts of fluid. Well, the problem is system holds 12 quarts of fluid. So you were taking five quarts of new fluid detergent fluid and you were putting it in that old fluid and it would break debris up and it would float all around in there and cause major problems. Well, now with the fluid flush machine or it then they call it flush. That's a bad term. John, John, can I I'm going to I'm going to put you on hold in just a second. We're going to be right back after these messages.
