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Hiring Indeed is all you need. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. I am Bart Winkler. Grant Bills is here. Paul Immig is here.
What a treat to be with all of you guys. And if you would survey some of the other sports radio brethren or podcast aficionados, we shouldn't even be coming to you today. And we really should be taking off until possibly September because this is the dead time of the year and there is nothing to talk about.
Who said that? Oh, everybody in sports radio. It's the dead time.
Articles are being written about it. You know, I used to think that football is inherently an easier time to produce a show. Because there is a flow to the week. There is the reaction. There is the build up. You get a Thursday game to talk about. You know, there's press conferences. You can do your power rankings. You can get your weekly guests. You can get your eye on the enemy.
Your picks. You can do it all. It's a routine for four months.
That's so good. So it's not that football is easier. It's just that it's more structured. It's more structured. You get into this time of the year and football is taken away from you.
But it's not. Everybody is talking at the combine. Their storylines galore. Whatever you want to talk about. You're going to get the free agency period. You're going to get the draft. There's a little bit of a slow time between March and April. But that's where the NBA and NHL and baseball picks up. What I've realized, and I'm not super into college basketball.
I didn't even mention that. I don't even pretend to know anything about the NHL. But just knowing, not being able to talk about, but knowing NBA gives you a huge lift because there's so many people in sports radio that I've realized that it's football or nothing. They don't know anything else. Their brains can't compute anything else. It's pro football.
They can't even touch college. It's not that this is a slow time. It's just that people only know football. That's why so many people are bitching and crying. That's why I've started to take this same sentiment to my national show. I've started to say it's not a slow time. My big thing I like to do now is people are lying to you.
People in the media are lying to you. I told them last night, I told the audience, year one I was still feeling out things. This is the part of the show I heard, by the way. Year two, you're getting me now.
I'm here. There was some guy I screamed off the air. Last night?
Oh, yeah. Sometimes callers will call in and they're like, you know, you like walk in a room. I said, the phrase I used was I brought a sponge to a knife fight. Like this guy wants to fight me.
And I'm just like, I'm just here to clean the windows, man. Because I was talking about the Cowboys, this selectively aggressive, everybody had a whole story about that. Oh, you know who else is selectively aggressive?
Every fucking buddy. That's how you attack free agency. And so I was not talking about the Cowboys to talk about the Cowboys, but to talk about people who are talking about the Cowboys wrong. And then a guy called in to be mad at me for talking about the Cowboys.
And then, yeah, I just I said, I'm not, I'm not trying to be your friend anymore. So, are you telling people how to fan? I'm not telling people how to fan. I'm telling people how to listen.
Sure. They can fan on their own, but they do. And they can listen to whoever they want.
They just need to realize that people are exploiting them and taking advantage of them. And I'm, I, I alone can save it. You can. Do you like being able to like disparage the national, the media or the national media while in fact being a member of said group? Yes. Is that a, is that a tricky dance?
Yes. I tell you, I try to do the thing where like a super rich person is like, I know how hard it is to grow the grocery store. That's why I have my assistant do it. And I never know what the bill is.
It's a banana, Michael. There it is. Yep.
What can it cost? Go see a Star War. So that's where I'm at.
How are you guys? Good. I think. Yeah, I like what you said about like the NBA for stuff like do you guys see that I gotta ask this about the NBA last night, where there was a fun, like, major storyline game. You guys have both seen the picture of Luca and Nico. Yeah. What I mean that that thing should win awards.
It will probably can I, I watched that game last night but I did not watch the Bucks game. We went on to Lucas quote. They asked him if he saw Nico in warm ups and he goes, I didn't I did not see him in warm ups and they go Did you see him during the game.
And he just like didn't answer and waited for the next question. You put that audio on the show. Yeah, we played it on the show. I couldn't hear the picture on the show that that I found challenging.
But people should look it up. Yeah, I didn't really watch the Bucks game either I kind of had it on the little TV, or I had it by that what I mean by little TV in the studio is the computer that I use so it's the browsers underneath. But then I turned to it and Dame was at the line missed a shot. And then I turned and the next thing it's a jump ball what the hell happened I still even really know what happened.
I bet on the role of Bucks games but I did miss last night's actually, I completely missed it, watch second half of the Badger game, and then watched the end of the third quarter in the fourth quarter of Lakers Mavs, and it really pissed me off because I got to got ready for bed. I entered the bathroom. I was sitting on the toilet waiting for the shower to warm up like I do. I'm like getting right in like it's a whole, you know, so recently Yes, of yourself or of me of me.
Okay. I turned on the game on my direct TV up on my phone, because this is what I do I sit on the toilet I find my shower entertainment and then when I'm ready to get in, I set the phone up on the shelf in the shower and whatever. There were three minutes left in the third quarter. And then I get in the shower, I bathe I brush my teeth I do all the things I get out I dry off and put my robe on, and there's still like a minute left in the third quarter because there was some stupid challenge and I don't even know what they ruled.
And then there was this delay because LeBron elbowed some guy in the face, and then we had a bunch of footage of JJ Reddick on this, it took forever. I was like I just dedicated 15 minutes to watching this thing I got nothing from it. I did watch the end in bed, like it was supposed to shake.
I like that you brought that up, because I'll build on that for a second. The end or what part. Well just, yeah, but in the sense of the end of NBA games are horrible. That's the end of the third quarter, I'm like if you have someone like me, who's that, hey, I got, I got 12 minutes. Yeah, I need something to watch will getting recommended throw it on, I got nothing from that, I got two delays I don't even know what they ruled on the channel like it was just a mess. It wasn't even the end. I would say by the way Bart like it, not that you need to be passionate about the things I'm passionate about but if I had the national platform I would spend an inordinate amount of time complaining about the end of NBA games, they're terrible, like, like, half of like, no, you'll get a blow out so then it's not close but like if there's a close game.
The last couple minutes take 1520 minutes, it's a really throws under two minutes should be worth two points. I, you know what, how come they never went back to the EU and just made that up but I kind of like it. Why didn't it like after that one success everyone didn't everyone like the EU ending and that one all star game. Yeah. And then, like, they just didn't do it again.
What am I missing. Um, the EU ending is good. But I think it's too radical to make happen. Like it is fun and the all star games a perfect setting for it and so is that the tournament that they do in the summer that Marquette one that one time.
My boy Travis Dean or with the game winner. Yeah. But it's just not it's just it's too.
It's too red. It's just, that's not how you end the game. You end the game with time. The games need to be time, except. Yeah, I mean, you're a soccer guy so I would think you wouldn't have too strong of a take on that considering the game. No soccer soccer soccer is a journey. There's, it's 90 minutes how much time's left, I don't know, another eight, and then they play another 13.
Yeah. Yeah, so they can do it right now that you want to model yourself after soccer but I don't know what the solution is as much as it's just like I watch league pass I like to bounce around games. And you'll see on like the ticker right because I'm behind, and you'll see like that there's 20 minutes of time left on the DVR for this particular game it's like, but there's only 80 seconds left on the clock. That's like, yep, here we go like it's just going to be like this drawn out. I hate it.
I hate it, get rid of challenges, if only to get rid of the players going like this after everything that happens, or at least do the thing that the NFL is like, have like the odd the sped up system that they had this pastor in the NFL like you don't need the official to go over to the timetable made the announcement, have this drawn out process where the security has to come out of the court to protect the referees. It just takes too long for like for like what I mean, do you have a, do you have a baseball related one regarding that. No, but I mean, oh it's, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to share some, I want to talk about that with you specifically, I would love to. I want to share that in 60 seconds because I'd like to remind you about my friends at Happy Place hemp the promo code is Bart Happy Place hemp calm. That is where you get your gummies your tinctures your lip balms etc.
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Open up your egg and there's a little gummy in there. Alright so the strike zone thing. What they're doing in spring training is they are, they are allowing. Two challenges. So, I mean you would think those should go quickly to like, or if you get it right you get to keep challenging I guess. So, I've been a human element guy. Yeah.
I would like to stay that way. No, you have the technology, and you're already implementing it into the, into the stadium, then just use it. You have it. And it's already there. Like I'm outside say don't bring it in. Don't bring it in. I don't want it in.
They went in a different entrance, got it in set it up. Okay, then use it for every pitch, you're finding a new way to add a challenge, which. Is too much. And then the whole, the whole existence of baseball. The whole existence of arguments the whole existence of people getting thrown out for a millennia is the one thing you can argue is balls and strikes. And now I can argue balls and strikes by just tapping my head twice.
Mm hmm. And you're going to undercut what the umpires doing. So now the umpire is when it's a review is he rooting for it to be changed no he wants it to be right, of course, so now is he going to start calling it different because he's worried what the machines going to say he should he should he should be, I mean he should be accountable.
No, you either have it fully or you don't. We got to stop adding things into baseball like we're making the game shorter. But we're also now how many, well how many challenges do we have, how many mound visits do we have.
How many sunflower seeds can we eat. It's a it's too much. If they want to go fully automated and just tell the ump and then he can go this, whatever, then do it. Or don't do it to institute it where it's going to be challengeable. I don't like that. Yeah, I disagree, obviously, you probably will expect but I would be, I would be like, I would prefer what you're saying, like the all in, you know the umpires there to essentially spit out what the machine tells him that's great, like, I want it to be accurate. But this is the.
This is the baby step before you get there. They can test it out they can see how it's received how it's implemented. If all of a sudden you had that for every pitch and you went from zero to 60 overnight I think that would go very poorly from public perception so if, I mean, I would, I like the end result of what you're referring to the bottom of the strike needs to be indisputably accurate in my opinion like it's just too important. Otherwise, I think the thing that you're going to see is a hitter at the plate is so so so so dumb. You're so so so dialed in to what a ball and a strike is like you know the NBA. This is how I'll compare it in the NBA guys complain, all the time, and most of the time they're wrong, like you're just being assholes. They complain about everything so they lose credibility, in my opinion, like, I don't actually if I was the referee, if I'm the viewer at home.
Sorry I'm expressive. The NBA players do. Oh, I'm sorry I thought you were like mocking my, I'm doing like that was the most obvious call ever so again, like, for me as the fan you're losing credibility and I would guess as an official, you'd be losing credibility because you complain all the time. For baseball, they are so dialed into the strike zone that every time you see, I mean, I know every time. Okay, most of the vast majority of the time, right, that you see an MLB hitter. Make a motion as if like, are you serious that was obviously not the correct call.
They are right. Nine out of 10 times, the hitter is every like, seriously, this is like fuzzy math to me. This is something I've not like tracked every pitch, but every time, every time it feels like that I watch it feels like it feels like I would love to have all the data, but like this is why I love watching that that or any data, forget all of it I'll give you, I'll give you my examples though the tracker thing, the day after a game.
I look, I like looking at the tracker the, you know, the online thing. Yeah, and then you can go back you can see like, okay, like this did have a really poor game, or, you know, it was his one missed one but it just meant more to me. The ball in the strike is too. It's baseball like it, that is the entirety of the game if you can't if you're the hitter and you don't know the ball strike you can't play it. If you're an umpire, and you're inserting your own biases, or your own positioning, or the way that a catcher like lied to you, like, I appreciate framing, I get it. They're manipulating the truth, they're lying, and your body buying into it, just like an NBA official when a guy gets like, oh, that really hurt and then the ref blows the whistle because they're fucking stupid. Was it a foul or was it not a foul. Don't call a foul because the guy said, ah, come on, that was my shoulder, like don't buy into the BS. I would much prefer this system where. And by the way, if a hitter, like, what I'll be curious to track is the hitters who have like a 95% terminal, like a overturned call right like they always are right.
Like, I want to know that like, sell free like when he challenges a call. He's right 19 out of 20 times for example that they'll be really interesting because I think if you play discipline. It's another thing. Oh, I love it but this, it's a data game. I think it's a game of data of data, data, data. So grant you can strongly oppose all of this, but you can't play baseball with an inconsistent strike so you can't, you know, you've prepared it's like well it's a windy day, or it's colder or it's this like, that's not the same thing.
I did. I've heard you talk about like, Oh yeah, like, Yeah, okay, the elements the elements should be part of the game. Yes, yes, yeah and I just don't think the umpire part of that should be part of the equation grant rebuff all that. Not all of it you make some good points, you are so interested in this element of the game. It's just an element that I would prefer to never think about, I don't, there's a there's a bajillion statistics in baseball ready baseball savant fan graphs pro baseball reference you can you go nuts for date you get lost in there for days I don't also need like what's South relics, like challenge over expected. There's so many stats grant that in the past used to look at everybody's stats on the back of the baseball card now future baseball cards, they're going to be back and front it's just going to be a card of stats and a little tiny picture.
They're gonna look like checklist cards. Paul, you were a father, I believe as his Bart. What was that you say were you Paul you were a father. No, you are you are a father, Paul. Well, but I'm not a real I'm not a real one I'm only a boy dad, you're not a girl that I don't know about Paul. And I say I think because I'm not sure. I don't know if it's a parent thing. I think there is this element of American culture where it's like we just want to barbecue officials like that's that's actually a big part of the reason why we're watching this big part of the reason we're fired up is to complain about the rest or to talk about the rest or to focus on the rest. I don't care.
Like I don't want to think about them I don't want to see them. I get the pause of the ball strike zone is important is my nightmare that we get to a big bad in the sixth inning Paul the bruiser up three to two. I don't know why I'm talking like Mike Clements but the bases are loaded, and there's two outs and the count is full. All right, and Nick mirrors reaches back and he fires one to bang right on the right on the corner.
Big strike three place goes nuts. He escaped tapping on his stupid head and we're like, all right, we're gonna wait, and that happens enough crowd, you're not gonna get the crowd pops anymore. Yeah, that's, thank you, Christ, thank you, is not gonna say he got him looking he's gonna say some dumb thing like, it's called a strike and now we wait, it's like that, the most, the most popular sport in America, does this all the and I don't know it doesn't mean it's good, but we've talked about this where it's like, it's a touchdown let's check for a flag and no flags on the field problem that stinks. I'm not saying it's a good thing but I'm saying, if the most popular sport in our country can do that occurs been soccer has been torched. Soccer has been absolutely torched by VAR because they're scoring goals, left and right and then it's always.
Oh, okay let's let's go check. Sometimes they're offside sometimes they're not like VAR. You know, I think we've gone to, I don't know, like replay and baseball was instituted to make sure we knew if it was a home run or not.
And if it was fair foul. I feel like replays at the bags. I don't like that. I don't like that.
I don't like one place I know I don't really mind them. That's like a toe on the line in football. I feel like though if your hand, like, just bounces off for a second, I feel like you're still safe.
Yeah, yeah, that's dumb, you're on over the bag. Like you're on the bag doesn't need like, I like the neighborhood clay, like you're like the my pinky was raised up an inch off the ground over the moment where it went like this and the gloves are stupid, because that's what the spirit of the role or in basketball. If I'm holding the ball like this triple thought position, and a defender reaches in and pops the ball out, and the ball goes out of bounds.
That's my ball. And if you break it down with a camera you would see, even though the defender punches the ball, it actually the ball touches the tip of my finger on the way but that's not the cost of the call supposed to be that was replaced was to be for. So here I just don't like the AV I don't like the tapping of the helmet. I don't like adding an action it's the NBA players who I was like this. There could be 10 minutes left in the second quarter the play can be nothing and I got to watch one of these millionaires run up as Brook Lopez Brook Lopez Brook Lopez, but the difference is though these players are doing this and it doesn't actually do anything if a player in baseball under this new thing does it, it, it, an actual replay is going to happen it's not just a player petitioning to their coach on the bench. Let me give you this analogy.
In the NFL. I mean, I think you'd get pretty close to like some sort of like 6040 split like it's because of the subjectivity like one could interpret it as this again a lot of these guys are lawyers. They might interpret it as like oh well actually he did kind of grab here like a ball and a strike is not subjective. It is not though.
But the, but it's not boxes is just floating in there is no box, there is, but there is like, but it's you can't. Yeah, it's not a there's not subjectivity to a ball there's nobody else ever think of my thought that we all look coming into the strike zone, but the umpire sees it from behind, which is a flaw of 100 years ago, when like, where do we put the guy that calls the ball and strike. I don't know sticking behind the catcher.
He's the catcher is in the fucking way. Yeah, that's ridiculous that you're proving part of my point. We now, unlike 100 years ago we now have the ability to not have that be the sole source of truth for a call.
I don't know. A charge in basketball subjective pass interference and I don't like how you can have subjective calls and definitive calls and sports. But I mean, the good thing about baseball is if balls and strikes, which are not subjective are now officiated to not be subjective, and it's just like wasn't a ball wasn't a strike, it was or it wasn't a true or a false statement, not a multiple choice. I mean, I think that's a part this part of it. That's great. Like unfortunately charges pass interference holdings will always have gray.
I wish they didn't but they do and I'd like to have it the way it is keep it the way it is. And then a little bit under that is just do the ABS full time every pitch. And then having a martini with the devil, all the way down there is fucking any sense of replay stupid. The thing I do like, and I hope they keep it for the regular season for baseball is I love that it's on the board on the scoreboard, and the scoreboard is pointed towards where toward home plate. The umpire has to be like, you fucking fight like this but you know, like, I actually this is another thing you guys that you guys are too emotionally fired up I've seen people with this take on the best part is you. The umpires got to stand there and and stare at the shitty call he made it's like I don't I don't care about that.
So nothing for me. I'm here to watch the pitchers pitch and the hitters hit. But they can't but they can't do that. They mostly know if there's a human behind the plate, getting it wrong.
Now, not as often as there are bad games but it's a long season. Here's but here's the problem. Like what you were describing earlier. How can I say this.
If you have a stone, let's get off of this and get off. All I would say is, so okay, let me, I brought it up. Let me boil it down with a quick, just a quick. Please, a ball and a strike is objective call. Or. How, explain. Same Oh, object I meant objective.
I'll stick with my original. It is an objective call. It's a true or false statement. Sure. But it was a strike. If the ball is a cock hair off the edge of the zone. I don't, it's close enough.
Yes. And if the pitcher has earned the game, the pitch being a cock hair off because he's he's getting that there's come on. Miserowski yesterday got boned on two different strike three calls after the previous hitter. Carlos Santana challenges strike call and was instantly wrong. Miserowski gets hosed on two strike calls. Would have ended the inning, but he was all over the place. He was like, well, I'm not giving you that.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bail you out. That's it. That's a part of the game I very much enjoy.
Great. Let me let me maybe conclude on this. I think that there are too many people who watch sports to like complain about the refs. Okay, what I'm trying to acknowledge is that in basketball and in football.
It's almost nothing. That's 100% objective like this was a foul. This was a hole.
This was a passenger fear. There's. And again, it's why the NFL is overly litigious and it's like how do you describe a cat shit you can't even describe a fucking catch right like we have a catch we still don't know. But no, but that's so that's a problem I think for the NFL and the NBA but it's also why I don't watch those sports and get fired up over calls.
I personally don't. I know what you mean I think your point is still well taken. People do watch and they're like, I don't really know what happened the game but the announcer sucked and the ref sucked because I can comment on those things I know what you mean, I'm with you in a general sense, baseball, I think it's different towards a particular people or person but I would agree those are big talking points for a lot of sports people yes I think baseball should, I'll say, be different than that because of the things we've discussed the last thing I'll say, wouldn't it be fun. So the so someone's controlling the umpires mic, let's say right someone in the booth, and the call gets challenged. If the umpire turns out to be correct. They should be like dx crotch chop like I fucking told you you're like, turn on his mic. Right, and he should he should be allowed the umpire should then like be able to gloat in like his. Like, Meanwhile, so too should the player. I think that'd be great. Now you want to talk about human element, like the emotions of it like that'd be fun. That'd be fun.
I'm only like lightly joking that this would be the thing I would do. Turn on the me a lot to think about Paul. You know what, that's all I really want. All right. I have a couple bucks topics for you. Bucks topics bucks topics.
Oh, that sounds pretty exciting. There's two, but if we could. I do need to insert here. If I can. Just a quick commercial break. Yeah, we'll be right back on into the Winkler verse.
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Mike's suit don't really even fit them. Oh, so I'm gonna give you a commercial break real quick. Shit. What, what do you what are you doing? No, no, you're gonna I sometimes I'll clip something that you say on the national show and I'll send it to you guys just for fun. I decided to save this one because I thought this was really good, and I wanted to get grants reaction live ready grant.
I'm ready. The Bart Winkler show. This is tonight, the 25th. Why are people so dumb? Why are people so dumb? There's some of you that might be that dumb that I'm talking to right now. Why are you so dumb? I don't know if you are. I have no idea who I'm talking to. But I gotta assume that some of you might be dumb. And if you're getting offended about that, then you're probably that that's by you.
That's pretty accurate. Like I said, quick aside. Like I said, quick aside.
A great quick aside. None of us saw the Bucks game on Tuesday night. So maybe this question is still as true now as it was yesterday, when I was thinking about it, but a friend of mine described himself as suffering from mild Bucks optimism. I'm going to start saying, so I liked that phrasing.
And I said for me, so I'm going to start. I am suffering from mild Bucks optimism, meaning like you've seen enough since the trade deadline that you're like, hey, maybe like for real. Not like, oh, like a 1% chance, but like a legit maybe you are suffering from mild Bucks optimism. I'm going to say because I think that either the Celtics Cavs or Thunder are going to win the title Cavs Celtics or Thunder.
Okay. And I don't think they I don't think they're going to win the championship. So the Bucks aren't what I'm doing also on the show is I'm conditioning people.
And this is a little bit of what I was saying earlier. I said, it's going to be Cavs Thunder. It's going to be a great series and you're going to be talked out of it. The Cavs fans aren't going to enjoy their run. The Thunder fans aren't going to enjoy their run.
They're going to get picked every week. No one's taken the Cavs over Boston. Yeah, but it's going to be Cavs Thunder and you're not going to watch it because you're going to think it's going to be bad basketball and it's going to be great basketball.
That's been the angle I'm taking. No one who watches the NBA thinks that would be bad basketball. That would be great basketball. The problem is it would be Cleveland, the city of Cleveland against the city of Oklahoma City.
And then I love how these people that are on these networks ESPN, Stephen A. Smith, Kendrick, whoever's going. They're always bitching about where they're going to go because it's too cold in the fucking summertime. I got to go to Cleveland. It's fucking cold today.
Maybe not in June. Yeah. I mean, they filmed Superman there last summer for Christ sakes. I just, I'm sorry. I just think for Christ's sake, it just has so much comedic. I just, I, I, it's not even what you're talking about.
It's just that phrase specifically. So for your mild bucks optimism, give me Lord. So Bart went with, he does not have mild bucks optimism because the bucks are not one of the three teams. I'm not where I like have been every year where I'm always like, just believe with me, boys.
Because you've got to believe a little bit grant building. We haven't seen them play healthy in a, in a playoff since the championship grant suffering from mild bucks optimism or optimistic in that given the pieces that they have to deal with and given who their coaches saying too bad. Yeah, I think Kuzma can work a little bit. I think they have different issues now with Kuzma and Kevin Porter Jr. and this collection of players than they had with Middleton.
Would you say they have more what they have different issues, different issues like they're still not a perfect team but their issues have changed from like I don't know if this guy can play or move to well this guy's a limited three point shooter, and it presents a lineup challenge here there but that's bad. That's basketball right like we can work with that we can talk about that we can watch night tonight for that and try to weed our way through that. The Bobby Portis thing sucks. Yeah, if, if only yeah horrible timing and if only because like he's one of those players that really helps you navigate a stretch of regular season games. He's not one of your stars, but getting through those random Tuesday night games against Houston, like he's, that's his, that's his thing.
He's really good at that. So that sucks but no i i think the negative reaction the Kuzma trade was because it's like man we're in that bad of a spot where we got to trade this guy who we have considered untradeable forever for Kyle Kuzma, you know what I mean. But once you move past that, I think they're, they're fine, and they could be plucky enough to maybe win a first round series which is considered a step in the right direction.
Yeah. I'm more optimistic than it sounds like you guys are. I was going to ask you a question, but Bart you kind of hit on it and this was not my part B this was like an aside, which was like, you get the thunder the calves, the Celtics, and I was going to also include the nuggets in that, like, you get those four teams to win the title or you get the field is it pretty obvious it's one of those like you get a million, but I thought I always like your way of doing this, you get a million bucks if you're right. You get to hit pick those four teams to win the title or you get the field. Are you taking the for the calves nuggets Celtics thunder. Well, who else would it be, I was believing in the Knicks for a little bit but they're oh and seven against anybody that's good.
Yeah, and they don't look like they have any answers for any of those teams. It's not the wolves. You know the, I think the Warriors are going to be fun and then burnout. The warrior, the warriors the Lakers should probably be like five and six on that list to win the title.
I was gonna say because they got the first team that scare you in the field. The Lakers, I think, are going to do what the Lakers have been doing where it's they're going to give you some really competitive as series and the series are going to lose they're going to lose and five. It's going to be competitive even with Luca LeBron looks awesome. Well, LeBron is awesome. LeBron's awesome. You know what I say the other night about LeBron I said, LeBron, I like LeBron to do too. I like LeBron. I think he's the best player ever. I do too. But every time he talks, I'm like God shut the fuck up. He really like he. Yeah. I think, I think he's. I'm one of those people that thinks he's made the NBA worse because I was like, well, you know, it's good I've always been a quarterback it's nice to have a wide receiver, like just go play football that dude. Yeah.
I wanted to be a wide receiver at Ohio State so bad. Why didn't he just go, I'm sure you guys have seen and it's not like this is not like entirely LeBron's fault but I'm sure you guys have seen online the videos of like 11 year old kids playing basketball and baiting calls from the refs and like this is, I mean this is largely LeBron's fault like it's his fault. I blame him. Can I give you a conspiracy theory that I've only nibbled at, but I haven't been willing to say. I'm very curious. And this is just a conspiracy theory based on my behavior in my life to how I see other people acting. Where this could go so many different directions.
Go ahead. I think Matt Stafford's in some debt trouble. What what is giving you these, these vibes. All of a sudden he needs $50 million a year. No one needs it.
He wants it. Yeah, but what happens is when you have, I saw. Sometimes I'll be like googling online like how to make money. You really.
Yeah, I download these apps and I take these surveys and play these games, because I just had a bad gambling weekend and so I have to make up that money. And so I think like sometimes. I don't know the thing about Stafford that's got me. He had leverage he signed for for 44 for 160. You know that same summer Kyler signed for 46, a year and burrow the guy he beat in the Super Bowl sign for 55 year.
I think Stafford looking back saying I fucked up. I think he's chasing money not trying to earn money there's there's something off to me about the whole situation I don't that doesn't mean he needs it in the way that you insinuated like again I'm just looking at my behavior and seeing it in somebody else. Yeah. And wondering.
I'm just asking questions. You know his wife knows how to spend it too. I bet you dollars to donuts on that one.
Well, yeah, and that's why women shouldn't be allowed to have any purchasing power. Say no one reacted to that comment about his wife I'm like okay so I'm just the asshole, I'll make the joke and no one else. No, you dig the hole and I will jump in. I, here's. I'm kidding ladies I'm kidding, a staffer there's no way to listen.
Can I do the norm part of that can do the norm part of that. And if you're mad about that joke. You should know when a woman wrote that joke. Now we don't hire women.
Now you don't know what to think. Why is it, why are we pumping Stafford to Minnesota more. That's the only, that's the only place that makes sense, they could win a Super Bowl with him. That's the only place know where, what, I keep getting these calls about like, oh Stafford should go to the Raiders or the giants or the Titans and Rogers should go here. Why would any of them want to do that why would the team do that.
Where's the like who. Why are you giving up stuff to win seven games, Stafford plays in LA inside beautiful weather for the best coach in football, I believe. Why would he want.
Why. And Minnesota's so but then if you're Minnesota, you have, let's say, Donald at 40 is, is the gap between Donald at 40. And then the other side is Stafford at 50 plus giving away assets. Is that gap big enough that you're going to win the Super Bowl. I think it could be, what are the assets what what a team who hasn't been to a championship game since.
Who was that case Keenum. I don't know, I don't know that they have. I think they have a second round pick. I mean their first round picks in the teens or no in the 20s, who, Minnesota, Minnesota. You're telling me if the Rams were like just give us your first round pick.
So we want. You don't think the Vikings should do that. Oh my god all Minnesota has is a first rounder and two fifths grant you would give if you're Minnesota you give a first round pick for Stafford, while having to give him a contract boost. I didn't give him a contract yeah that's the other thing I know that I'm a Packers fan and owner.
I'm just a little bit unorthodox and outside the box. Because I'm someone who thinks when you could win a Super Bowl you should fucking try to do it. You should try and goodies kind of pissed me off this week at the combine, because he's all puffing his chest out his indices press or it's time to compete for championships. They asked about his process this week he's like our processing is going to change.
He's pissed. He's like, why are you asking me about the Eagles last year was about the Niners who's it gonna be next, I don't know Brian you tell me I'm sure you'll find a way for it to be the commanders or whoever next year like it. That's the point though is it's always someone else, like, at some point, don't the Vikings like they got a nice team they got a great coach good coordinators lot of talent, like Stafford with those two receivers yeah they should, I would do that.
I would sign, I would sign Donald and trade McCarthy is what I would do. Donald just dumped his diaper in the two biggest games of their season. Yep, he did. And that's not a learning moment he's just now he's just garbage. He's garbage that's so mean, he's not now you just don't want him like he took a team that no one thought would make the play almost no one like what was the because of him. No one thought they'd make it because of him no one was like all the team blows everyone's like Donald and Donald's a bum. They didn't even think he'd be the starter and then he took him to 14 wins.
Look, it's brutal I'm not saying it's fair. Yeah, he had two awful games in their two biggest games of the year. It's not just his fall things coaching and players around him but yeah, the Vikings could give up. You're telling me just our first round pick this year for Matthew Stafford that straight up. No, that's crazy.
I don't think that's crazy at all. If it was if it was a Packers first round pick, by the way, what Grant Grant you've especially probably to talk about this, what'd you make of good against Lucas van Ness comments. I mean he better feel that way drafted him in the top 15. But like that was that was pretty bullish, like, well, again, they drafted him in the top, I should hope he's what do you say about van Ness Venice.
Venice, Venice. Like we expect big things, you know, he does things right way you can ask more from a player work ethic and all that. He's like a lot of comments about, you know how he's always in the gym he's always working so hard great work ethic and then, I mean, it was, you know, it was a very strong statement in favor and again that you're right grant like you don't want to toss the guy under the bus. You don't want to be like yeah it's kind of a disappointing two years but I still believe you don't say that.
But this was. This was like a full vote of confidence. You know I'm at the point with Jair where if we trade him I don't think I'll have any reaction and I won't either. Like I will be.
I'm neutral if he's here and neutral if he's not, I take that back my reaction be okay good. Like, I won't be like, yeah, because nobody's trading for that contract they're gonna have to cut him. No.
I mean, he only plays half the time grant your grant you're expecting him to like, not get like, he's gonna have to be cut. I think so. Maybe look at a seventh. No.
What are you hearing is this your opinion are you hearing some, this is, this is my opinion but I also believe my opinion be correct you just walk with me here. You think a first round pick for Matthew Stafford on a team that could win a Super Bowl is dumb. What would you give up for Jair Alexander. So let's let's be clear, I think, Stafford for first is dumb because they have McCarthy and because they have Darnold or could have played it never played in an NFL game and the other guy sucked in the biggest games of the year, I get it, but I'm saying that's why I wouldn't give up the first for Stafford because even if the efforts in debt trouble and he's got people hounding them to break from that being like a theory of yours like now it's just. I think, I think because of the Jair contract because once you trade for him you can get it. I think right usually with this come down to is I analyze it typically with the trade is, if you want to like let's say you don't really value Jair as a third round pick like giving up a third form, make up whatever team you want right you're the Browns, you don't really want. And hold on, but like you don't really think he's worth a third, but if he goes into free agency if the Packers cut him. I have to just bid on him with 29 other you know seven other teams who might be interested in a quarter that could get healthy, so I think a lot of time in the NFL trades happen for guys that don't have a lot of value because teams want the sole exclusive negotiating right.
Do you know what I mean right now? He's has two years $37 million remaining will he garner that as a free agent. Well, the. So okay, what's gonna happen when he gets traded. When they're going to completely give a new contract they're going to wipe this one because the NFL is weird like that.
The wife this. The point is, are you telling me are you asking me, is Jair Alexander going to get more than 18 a year on his new deal with whatever new team he's on. Is that what you're asking. I'm asking if the deal that he's currently on. Yeah, if he's cut loose will he get a deal that's better than this one because I don't think he will. And I know it's, I know it's complicated, I just, I need you to play more than half of the games on the schedule. Hey, I'm going to, like I said, Bart said he's gonna have no reaction I initially thought I agreed with that and then I moved to like no I'm going to be pleased when he's no longer part of our problem, but that doesn't mean another team would, but it could work for us, because he's so because he is so talented 34 out of 66 games, it's terrible.
It's terrible. And it's why I don't want him on my team, but I do think there are teams that would Jair and bead. The, the combines going on this week, and I texted someone who I know who works in the league.
What do you think. I know people works in the league, fancy pants. He works in the league work for multiple spots I said, I'll turn on the tick tock camera What do you guys I was talking to someone who works for the NBA and the NBA the other day for the league. And I said, what, what kind of value Do you think Jair has. And this person said well, and this is why I only bring I don't bring this up to name drop I was trying to set up a long joke, what this person in the league, told me was that actually and this is something that people don't think about is the best ability is actually availability. I'm not I couldn't keep this trade I don't know shit in the I don't know anyone who works in the league mad at my side appreciate it sorry that we know I chat my it's my fault I couldn't keep it together and to be clear the NBA source that Bart was messaging with it was really just to send him pictures of his kid because it's his brother. Shut up, people don't know that. According to our source.
My kids picture is cute. No, I do not think that anyone will trade for Devontae, I don't think anyone will trade for Jair. I agree with that. I agree with Devontae Devontae plays. Why is that any different way Adams. Yes. Yeah, that one. We're talking about, I think it's because Jair's cancer question granted because Jair is 28. Sure.
It's got the knees of a 48 year old. Well, but you could also probably convince yourself on the flip side of it that like Jair was just disgruntled against his employer. This is a this is a grass is greener on the other side thing I would, I would honestly and I don't wager on things, I would wager a good amount of money that Jair is has trade value to the point who you will get traded not released, I would be very confident disgruntled with the pack of the Packers historically a really controversial organization, they notoriously treat their players like shit it's not like they have disgruntled players who go elsewhere and quickly learn how crummy it is somewhere else. So on top of that he was suspended last year.
He never plays, he got suspended, he's expensive, I just I wouldn't trade for him. This doesn't really matter all that much I just don't think anyone's picking that up. I gotta say I gotta I gotta go, but uh, this 76 or season for me has been wonderful. I just I'm loving every minute of it.
Oh yeah, you see, Paul George is pausing his podcast to focus on the on basketball. Now that they're 15 below 500. But if these son of a bees, end up with like Cooper flag out of this season.
I'm furious, though. They're the bears of the NBA, they're gonna have like the sixth best odds at the number one pick the bears I was just gonna say the Niners but I like the bears. They're closer to the bears than the Niners they have the Niners are just in the Super Bowl.
They're cowboys cowboys. Yeah, that's a good one. Bye guys. See ya. Goodbye Paul. Good talking to you. I have to go as well I have to call.
Yeah Paul didn't mandate us to keep talking so I guess we're off the hook. How about that. That'll be a you know what the thing I hate the least I'm going to do it to you right now just as an example. Sure. All right, that's 50 minutes. Grant anything you want to promote where can we find you.
50 minutes in. I'm, uh, I add on on principle I'm not going to promote anything. You can follow me on Twitter at let's go grant all my shits there. No, that's great. Where can we find you. How about you tell people at the beginning of this fucking episode.
Yeah. All right, see you buddy. Thanks Bart.
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I don't know, I haven't listened to them yet. So we're going to do that all now together. If that's okay. Remember you can call the Carl's place voicemail line 4029152278.
That's 402915BART. Here's Marcus in Denver. I listen to every single second of the national show just in podcast form I have been wanting to call in but I figured I would just do it here it's little more conclusive to my schedule. I wanted to one get your thoughts on Matt rule. Canceling the spring game for Nebraska football saying it's a big tampering fest and that last year is after the spring game.
They had like six guys go into the portal and leave. So I was curious what your thoughts were on other teams possibly following suit. If this is an NIL problem if they just need like a trade deadline trade window or or how you think that will affect other teams because I think spring games are big. Are big things you know a lot of families that can't afford tickets to regular games pretty expensive you know spring game is good opportunity for them. Another thing I wanted to talk about.
I wanted to give big props to you Bart. I absolutely hate the MLS. But I love listening to you talk about it for some reason it's strange. I would ask that you do a segment for five minutes a week of your application to be an MLS commissioner and just bring up stuff from the past that you think they did wrong and things they're doing now that they should do differently and things that you would like to do in the future. And I think if you did that for five minutes a week and five years down down the line you might speak yourself into existence of being the commissioner of the MLS.
I'm being a hundred percent serious. I really enjoyed listening to you talk about it even though I don't enjoy the sport or the league or anything. But you seem to know your stuff and it was very entertaining. So thank you Bart. I hope you are well. Have a good week and we'll talk soon. Bye bye. All right I think Marcus I think you enjoy me talking about the MLS because you don't like it and I shit on it all day every time that I bring it up.
I think there's a couple of easy fixes. One is they've got to figure out this USL. I'm going to root for that. That's the league that is coming to Milwaukee. That's the league that's got a level in Madison. They're going to try to they're going to try to mix it up. And I think the MLS like they're so focused on this tournament with Liga MX in Mexico and they're trying to like tout themselves as this great league. But the salary cap is terrible and it's basically a pyramid scheme and they really don't give the voice to the fans and people are just buying in and we're getting up to 30 teams now and they're killing local soccer clubs and they're not supporting everything else.
They're trying to do it their own way. This is not the league that was promised when the United States got a World Cup here in 1994. There is no reason soccer in America can't look like soccer in England with clubs all over the country and a promotion relegation scheme that would be best for business. But as is the case with most things, you've got the 30 people that have the money that are going to control it so that nobody else can have fun. It's just frustrating. The people that own these soccer teams, I don't understand why they're owning it. They're trying to hog whatever money there is in soccer, instead of spreading it out so we can all flourish.
A rising tide lifts all boats. There should be different. I mean, we could have like, it could just be incredible. If soccer tried to emulate in America, what's going on in England. I mean, you'd have clubs like, we had developmental clubs, we had different clubs. There was a club in Menasha for a while that represented the Fox Cities.
There's been the Milwaukee Rampage and other clubs. And you could have the promise of someday getting up to the top level. We're all like, oh, Wrexham's really cool because, you know, these guys own it. It's really neat.
I'm going to get into it. But it's exciting because you're watching them climb up the ladder and you have to go overseas to root for Americans in soccer, I guess. So it's just it bothers me.
Because it's got the potential. There are soccer fans here. There are soccer fans here. But there are not MLS fans here.
It's not like that in any other sport. There are basketball fans here. They're treated to what they want. There are football fans here. They get what they want. There are soccer fans here.
They've got to wake up and go to, you know, the English pub at six thirty in the morning just to watch a team they pretend to like. So then Marcus called again. OK. Oh, I don't know what was idiotic about it at all. The other thing is with the spring games, I didn't finish that thought. Yeah, that sucks. Matt rule canceled. I think USC canceled.
Texas might have canceled because they're having their spring games. And then the transfer portals open and then people are seeing who like their secret weapons are and they're offering them more money. So there's two times when the transfer portal is open.
From my understanding, one is between the end of the season and like the middle of the playoffs and the other is a week or two after the spring games. A very simple suggestion would be move the fucking windows. Move the fucking windows.
Or have your spring games after the window. Make it a make. I don't know. It's like they're cutting themselves with a with a knife and bleeding and they're like, how the fuck did this blood get here?
You cut yourself. So I have some thoughts on the push push after listening to your last night show on podcast forum this morning. I was curious where you draw the line on a push push because a lot of times like a running back will get stopped two or three yards down the field. And a bunch of people will get behind the running back and start pushing them, you know, and gaining additional yardage. So is that going to be outlawed as well?
Or how are you, how would a push push be defined? I was curious your thoughts on that. And my second idea was for the show.
I'm dead serious about that MLS thing, though. You got to you got to do that. A segment a week would be would be really cool. But for guess what they said you should do a guess what Shep said or guess what J.R. said or guess what Gelb said that Carlos will take cuts from, you know, a push push. And they'll say like, hey, Bart, try to guess what Gelb said about the push push. And then you have to instead of guessing what, you know, a coach or player or someone said, you have to guess what, you know, someone else on your network or anybody. Even it doesn't matter.
I think that would be a fun little twist on it. Thanks for taking my voicemail, Bart. Enjoy your evening.
I'll be tuning in periodically tonight and then always catch it on podcast form the next morning. So have a good night, sir. All right. Yeah, I don't know what was wrong.
Both voicemails good again. Four oh two nine one five two two seven eight four oh two nine one five B.A. The touch push. Look, I've come on the side of it's dumb. I just think you can outlaw guys being pushed if Jalen Hurts want to go under center and slip under the offensive line and like hide under there. We don't know where the ball is.
That's fine. I don't think you should be able to push guys. You didn't used to be able to push guys. I think that why can you push a guy forward?
That makes no sense to me. Why can't in basketball, why can't the smallest guy jump on the tallest guy's shoulders and get piggyback down the court to make a seven footer, a 10 footer? If he's sitting on him, why can't in baseball we just start chucking the ball at the guy when he's rounding second into third? Just throw it at his knuckles. Throw it at his knees.
Get him out that way. It looks like a football play. It's not a football play. I condemn the Packers for standing up for what's right. Thank you all for stopping into the Winklerverse. Very excited for Thursday night. I will be at the Bucks game with my boy. Wanted to go because it's six thirty and then they change it to seven. And now I'm all panicky about bedtime, but whatever. If he falls asleep in the stands, I don't care. I paid for those tickets and I'm enjoying those tickets. We will talk again once as always. That didn't make sense. But as always, thanks for stopping into the Winklerverse.
