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Welcome into the Winklerverse. Grant Bills alongside Paul Immig is here. We've got your edition of mmm mmm mmm as we close out January. Two teams left in the Super Bowl. NBA trade deadline next week. We could do a trade deadline live show. Well, Grant will be unavailable. We could. Let's do it. I might be unavailable too. When's the deadline?
Three? On which day? Tuesday? It's next Thursday. Thursday? I think it's like February 28th. No, it's always pre-all-star break. Yeah.
Ty, where does it go? You know, it's crazy to think it's already week 21 of the NFL season. I would like to, you know, I've got, I've got this podcast. I've got the national show. I think I talked more about the national show on this podcast. I just feel weird when I, I'm like, Hey, by the way, I was into the Winklerverse this morning and I don't know. But I would like people to, if you're ever going to listen to the Bart Winkler show on the infinity sports network, I'm very proud of the work I did on Tuesday night.
I heard, I went to that hour of the show so I could hear you teach a national audience. So what my whole thing was, and I said, yeah, I'm a Packer fan, so obviously it's probably why I'm bringing it up, but the chiefs are about to win maybe their third straight Superbowl. And of course the Packers have won three NFL championships before in a row. Now, the first one was just, they had the best record.
Okay. And then they won. And then the next times where it was the two Superbowl, we all know, we all know this.
We know it. But in the research, the Lions have four NFL championships. The Browns were the team of the fifties, and they have four NFL championships.
And I don't understand, and people are calling, some people are like, Oh, well, it didn't matter so long ago. That's the NFL. Baseball, we talked about the Yankees 27 titles, the Celtics raised banner 18. I don't think enough people understand that the Celtics played in the sixties when there were eight teams in the league.
I don't think that people understand that. I just don't understand why the NFL doesn't like, they'll say, Oh, it's the 209th meeting of Packers bears. They'll say all these guys are in the hall of fame, but yet when it comes to the people that actually won the title for the first 45 years, is it because one year it was the pots mouth or wherever the fuck is because one year it was the Canton Bulldogs and these teams don't exist anymore. It's just as weird that a league that seemingly does an okay job with history, pretends like nothing was ever decided or settled prior to the Superbowl. It'd be like if the college football playoff or college football suddenly said everything before the BCS. We don't like that. That doesn't count.
Like, sure, it's your first playoff title, but there's still other titles that were won. So I think I did a good job going through that argument. But I'm left with no answer because I don't know why the NFL, I think if I had a one-on-one with Roger Goodell, that might be the first thing I would ask him.
I think it should be. And I think your callers reinforced like the main points that, so first off you had a couple like, You had a couple of retired age folk who were like, I remember, but the one caller you had who was, you know, younger made the point of like, well, it was just so long ago. And what that reinforces is, yeah, you've been taught that it doesn't matter in the NFL. So what's going to matter a hundred years from now?
These? Right. Apparently not. Well, it, and I think that's your point. It's like, it's if the league tells you the fan that it matters, you'll say, of course those Celtics titles and those Lakers, Lakers titles and Yankees titles matter. Of course they do because the leagues are saying, embrace this, embrace this. And the NFL says the league didn't actually start, you know, they they're well, actually in the fan to say like, pretty dumb. Well, how much when the Celtics were winning the title last year, how many times did we hear banner 18? Like it was, it was the marketing campaign. It wasn't like a footnote. And, and Bart, I think your one caller even said something like, well, there were only, you know, 12 teams in the league when those towers were like, that was more actually than what there were in these other leagues when we were proclaiming them to be.
You couldn't get, I fended off everything you couldn't, you couldn't get on the end because, and this is, and honestly, you have a different platform than I do. I don't personally care what random guy thinks in Boston about the Packers titles. But what I do have a problem with is like the principle of, to your point of asking Roger Goodell a question. Why, why are you not embracing the history of the sport, the professional league, albeit whatever you wanted to call it before it was the Superbowl when these other leagues do like, what is the holdup? Is it because you don't want to talk about AFL?
Like what is the disconnect? Why are there too many, like there was the Racine Legion and the Milwaukee Badgers and it's too complicated to figure that out? To your point, I mean, it's like pre ABA merger, like the Spurs were not in the NBA. Like, well, okay, so I don't know. There's nothing that, there's nothing that like a, by old, I'm going to, I mean, you know what an old person is. There's nothing that an old person likes more than when a younger person is trying to talk about history. Just like the same way we like when Grant brings up something from the 90s. Yeah, right.
I think only a Wisconsin born and bred national radio host would bring up the topic. But, and do a whole show on, but it needs to be, it's not, again, this is not even like, well, I'm so upset that random guy sports fan doesn't accept the Packers. I don't care. But on a matter of principle, you have like bar, you can't lose your argument, like to your point like you fended off every single thing that could be said, because there's not an answer. There's no right answer to like push away the narrative. If, if I don't care that I don't care like if you random sports fan just says well, it doesn't matter to me. Okay. Like, that's fine. That's your prerogative, but you can't tell me then why the titles of the Yankees Celtics Lakers etc should matter.
You cannot choose one or the other you either care, even though it was before you were born, or you don't, because you weren't born yet. You can't say well the NFL. They don't really embrace it so I don't like if that's your response.
Good for you. What can we do what can anyone do about that. Should I do a Royal Rumble postgame show. Yeah. Well you that's a Sunday night so you won't be Saturday night so you won't really start time to because there's a UFC fight I guess.
And now that they're buddies. Mm hmm. They don't want it to overlap. Is that this weekend. Yeah, it's always in between it's always Pro Bowl weekend right.
Yeah, it dips into February and a rare. By the way, I do think every every year, or every few years, there's that one player name to the Pro Bowl where you're like, Oh, and that's why it shouldn't matter. Like it shouldn't be like this player is a six time Pro Bowler and that year that Russell Wilson Pro Bowler 2025 and Drake may quite frankly though I like Drake may two of your three AFC quarterbacks in the Pro Bowl are Russell Wilson and Drake may. If you're not if you're not an all pro. I don't want to hear it. It's just nothing, it's nothing and they're proving it's nothing. Yeah.
You can't have Russell Wilson. I'm not I don't even, I don't even like turn it on the skills competition I might turn on on Thursday just because my kids always like now I have to tape the late box game so you can come home and watch, watch. Oh wow, nice alert we are.
We are in it. Wow. I'll turn that on Thursday but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna like watch it on Saturday. I'll go touch grass or something. Speaking of grass and other related products I'd like to tell you about Happy Place Hemp promo code is Bart 25% off each and every order at HappyPlaceHemp.com I am a record.
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Just like that. Dan Cheney. I took my Dan Cheney can koozie to the Euchre statue two Saturdays ago.
That was easy of choice because I didn't have a Brewers one. And I'm like, Oh, man. It felt weird publicly just everyone is drinking a beer but I thought I needed a koozie so I stood there with my Dan Cheney YouTube stream koozie it doesn't say YouTube on it but So a bunch of people just stood around and drink Miller lights. Yeah, it was cool. I don't know I wasn't there before it started exploding.
I was there Saturday before it got really cold. I got a morbid thing to say. Oh boy. Sure. So they're putting those there in memorandum.
Right in memoriam. Yes. Yeah, that too.
I let it go. So they're putting they're putting those there in memorabilia. And, but at some point, someone's got to clean it up. Yeah. That's kind of sad.
It is. Anyway, the folks who were drinking the beers there was a garbage can people were walking away and throwing away their empties. That was nice, but I mean, can you just leave an alcoholic product out like that, is it not the Brewers responsibility then for, you know, someone from the Brewers cleaned it up. It's gonna wander in from the highway and accidentally drink alcohol, not accidentally. They might make, they might make it part of their journey.
Hey guys, I know where we can score some free booze that's a Midwest curb episode Oh dude, I bet you for sure. For sure. There had for sure.
I know 16 year old kids in the middle of the night. That just for sure there were what a score, and what an awesome memory that they'll get to have that it bothers almost no one, as long as they don't, you know, wait Bart is this your first moment thinking of this possibility. Yeah, I didn't I didn't think that I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Okay, I'm glad I'm here for you.
Wow. We're gonna get some beer. Dude, I got a big place. Your statue at 3am tonight. It's like it's like the curb episode when Larry needs flowers so he takes them from Marty Funkhouser's mother's memorial.
He was right there were a ton of flowers like no one was going to miss him she's all good. Yeah. What do we got boys. All right, I'm going to do some NFL topics because that's what's on my mind right now so that's what we will do. There's nothing Packers is there like now today.
I mean you can gripe about Versace or you could get see. Yeah, Luke gets. Luke gets the all right, we don't know who was always fun now that they can kill an hour of phone calls, do they need a number one wide receiver.
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Regardless of what the saints do probably Kellen Moore, but the regardless of who it ends up being the Cowboys come out as the L this offseason with the coaching search. Um, this does tie the local angle because you can talk about McCarthy and people like Mike McCarthy and all the other good start, you go ahead. No, you know what I said last night, what do you say last night. And I'm going to show you on the, the YouTube is Liam Cohen.
Yes. He looks like me. If I go in one of those county fairground fun mirrors. Like a circle into like an oval.
So I said it's like looking into a mirror a really, really fun mirror. He stretches the face a little bit. Yeah, he's got the, yep, he's got better hair than I do. Holy shit. Is he young, he's held it.
I think he's younger, I think he's 39. I mean, we don't know, we don't know what a lot of these guys are going to do. We don't know what they're going to look like. I think the Cowboys one feels uninspiring but if you're a Cowboys fan, you're keeping some consistency and an offense that was good the last couple of years. I mean, with Dak and yeah, yeah.
What were their, what were their DVOAs on offense? I think, I think Ben Johnson is going to be an absolute fucking clown show. Well you need him to be because you've put your reputation on the line for all intents and purposes.
Yeah. That Ben Johnson won't be good you've you've staked your reputation on this. I know I think I think the saints are losing the saints are going to lose. They do feel like they're no matter what they do they can say they didn't settle. The saints are settling. I think the Cowboys settled but I know the saints are settled. Do you think the saints would have hired McCarthy or McCarthy said I'm withdrawing, because he doesn't want the Saints job again, not knowing the answer that question but I would say, McCarthy said the following things, or I walk, and they said, Well, we can't do all those things so unfortunately goodbye.
The former, not the latter. Okay, with every team you can still like, I can say, this, this situation is bad. And if you're a fan of those teams you can argue against it. Some might be a stretch, more than others like Jacksonville you can still be like hey we got Brian Thomas and Trevor Lawrence you know it needs just some stability division stinks with the saints it's like, what do you have that's good. Do you have a good quarterback No. Do you have a good offense. No. Do you have a good owner, you do not.
Do you have a good culture right now. No. Is the salary cap in your favor, it is not terribly so. So whoever gets this job is essentially auditioning for their next job. If every NFL coaching job was available is the saints the worst one. Again, taking into account salary cap ownership current roster. Yes, because I think the Raiders are slightly better because they're in Vegas with a new stadium, and I do think they want to but like Mark Davis is just an idiot, like he needs someone, maybe Brady will be perfect. Apparently he's just in control now, according to reports that franchise. When it comes to getting to the playoffs winning a Super Bowl feels equally hopeless but I think some of their amenities and some of the details about Vegas is a little bit better than New Orleans so yeah I think New Orleans is the bottom, I would, I would take the Vegas job before the New Orleans job, how about you Bart. Yeah, I take Vegas I don't, and I don't think Pete Carroll like they don't expect him to win a Super Bowl.
They just want him to get the culture fixed. Yep, totally smart. I think. Yep. So the saints then lost the offseason coaching search, I know they haven't hired the person yet but I think so. Probably.
Mm hmm. The cowboy. I want to feel bad for Brian Schottenheimer because everyone's so sick of Jerry, and the way he does stuff. Yeah. Heimer is going to take the brunt of it, you know what I mean. Jerry's lost his marbles look at this asshole he just hired you know what I mean like maybe Schottenheimer will be fine, but he hasn't called plays in forever.
It's not like he's been a part of a burgeoning young offensive system that's on the cutting edge. Why does Jerry keep saying glory hole as if there's not another meaning to that is like, apparently it's some oil term. Yeah. Oh, but he's saying glory holes, as if, like sunshine and, as if we all, we all know. Oh glory hole that means success in the oil field not getting a blowy in a fucking gas station. No, because a glory I read the whole Wikipedia my show last night.
It is thing in oil, but the county would make way more sense if he's referring to a glory hole that you insert yourself into like a glory hole is like this weird technical, like you would think the way he's using it Oh glory hole must be when you finally strike a rich vein, he must mean the gas station way. I kind of think he does. I kind of think he does.
He can hide behind the the oil term. Yeah, he's basically like, look, we're just looking for sunshine and happy endings. And does he mean happy endings like he wants a good fairy tale closure. No, he wants a happy ending.
It's like if someone calls you the slur that starts with an F. You're like what the hell and they're like hey and Britain it means a cigarette, you're like yeah but that's not at all how you're saying it, you know what I mean like it's the same situation so now she's a little, little, little too hardcore but look rim. Yeah saints probably lost saints Aaron Glenn do we like Aaron Glenn. I think Aaron Glenn is a good hire there I think he's the right hire, but why do they keep hiring defensive coaches, but I just wouldn't I just wish Aaron like the thing with Aaron Glenn is sometimes these coaches get in there and they're like, instead of being like, you know, I'm confident that we can we can do a good job. I'm gonna, I'm gonna work hard I'm confident I like some of these like a group of guys. I feel good I'm excited for this journey, but instead it's.
We're the New York Jets. We're winning, like, back off some like, like, 48 hours ago you were a lion promise and over deliver your life will find so much more success. And you'll be so much more heralded by other people. If you under promise.
If you exceed low set a low bar for yourself. Yeah, it's been what I've been doing my entire career. Well your boy Liam Cohen is if he wins like five games are gonna make well that was better than the do like so. Sounds like a serial killer at your bedroom door in the middle of the night, we should probably, we should probably respond upon what I texted you guys which is like the social media folks of these teams are setting up these nerds to look like nerds like Aaron is gonna do perfectly fine in his press conference Dan Campbell is new perfectly fine in his introductory press conference, Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson if you don't just let them talk about x's and o's, and you try to like, hey, can you hold like a selfie video and then turn around and then like the whole staff is behind, can you do something they kind of say something cool say something fun. They're gonna look like imbeciles, because they're nerds, which I say completely affectionately, as I refer to myself as one like, you're gonna come across cool in the social media sense of the word. The only way you're going to come across cool is if you do the Aaron Glenn and you're like, we're the fucking New York Jets.
Oh, don't tell anyone I was a lion yesterday. Like, you just have, I don't know, they shouldn't do that I really like they want the social media content but the Liam Cohen hiring was a big deal for Jacksonville, they, I mean they they swiped him from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who very much wanted to be a one state team. And then you make them do this stupid thing and you make it and now like you're like, Liam Cohen, like a bright bright bright guy that you made look like a fool, put it this way, two weeks ago if you had told Jacksonville Jaguar fans that they were getting Liam Cohen they would have been over the moon, because of the way that it was presented at the press conference, a lot of it is his fault, like don't be a fucking loser, but now they're like, we're gonna win five games, you know what I mean you go from that to that it's just a it's a presentation thing.
You know who can straight fuck off right now. Phil Belichick. Ah, he suggested renaming the Lombardi Trophy to the Brady Trophy, I saw that.
Now, even if it's in jester whatever on McAfee's bro show. I don't get it like you're a coach you're highly you, you, you want to talk about some of that honors history. You want to rename the Lombardi Trophy for the Brady Trophy. You know I, you know I read those quotes, Brady, Brady, not Brady, Belichick is this ego maniacal just what's the word I'm looking for just petty, just a real snake, right. I read in his comments where he's like, look, as a coach, you know I'm, I'm at, I'm at the control of my players, you can't win without the players and he lists off all these long. To me that was Belichick messaging. Well look when I had good players in New England, all we did was win but then I stopped getting good players, what do you want me to do, how can I be expected to win with Mac Jones and okay, so to me that was like him almost removing blame from how south it went in New England at the end the problem is he was also picking the players, like he was, he was also the GM in charge of the players so I don't really know if it works with that. I almost read that as well Jesus I mean even I'm one of the greatest coaches of all time I can't do without the players. That's how I was reading that message we need to get in media.
We need to de Shrager fi predictions. Say more, because I saw somebody, you know, way too early 12 team playoff prediction for college. Mm hmm. North Carolina's in there. Hmm. North Carolina and going to the playoff next year.
Okay, they're not valid check or not. The Shrager is, I don't know guys I talked to Bill Bell I talked to Sean Payton the other day and sounds like they really like what's going on in Denver and we're going to take them to win the AFC West. Remember when Good Morning Football was like, are we coming back. And I was like, do we give a fuck. Yes, I do remember that.
I do remember that. I don't know who you're me have not been without their football grants I don't want to be my best friends with Peter Shrager next week. Well, maybe he'll talk about me on the air loves talking about his best friends, john McVeigh and Cliff Kingsbury and I don't know, john McVeigh you know I texted john McVeigh, literally the commercial break we're texting I could show it to you I got his number, dude coward and pull it a lot of that shit to just more and more, the frequency with which he'll say stuff like well you know I had dinner with a general manager last week. I was just texting with some coward.
I love coward. He, he has started to realize how connected and how good he is. You don't need when he's a podcast where he's talking about like, you know, anytime I come up with, with a funny line I'll write it down, it's like, I can appreciate that. But when you say the bears Chicago that job is politics and potholes, it's like that's not as fucking brilliant as you.
You know what I mean, like anytime I think of a funny line or I don't know how I look at holes. Yeah. Was that it was that his real thing. No, he said that, yeah, the other week when he was talking about the Ben Johnson higher but I hear him you know, on with Rossillo or whatever, when sports talkers get too self aware that's when they start to lose me if I had coward slot and TV time, and I did the whole thing about history of the NFL not, that would be the national conversation for a fucking week. That's a great topic is a tone center, great power great responsibility.
And I said, I'm trying to figure out what my Bartle meter is going to be tomorrow. It's the same issue, the same issue with stand up comedians they get too successful and rich they get too self aware, you know what I mean then they start doing podcasts with each other where they start stroking each other up, or the always sunny podcast it's like, Oh, you guys. I thought you were like, poor drunks from Philly who cobbled together this TV show and now I watch this podcast and you're all there doing should we start rewatching from a year ago, and then doing a podcast rewatch. Yes, I got it like that that industry. You know, where you rewatch it's. I mean, I don't know, it's nice that I don't I mean I don't know it's just it's like, is it needed.
No, none of it's needed. But, yeah, no, Julia white on the next episode of 90 matters recap. Yeah. I remember this episode yeah they made me three inches tall it was crazy.
I did the first time we did Stefan and the ladies love Stefan. One daughter that disappeared. Wait, who did. I think they had a daughter that they kind of like wrote out of the show. Family Matters did. I think so.
That's 90s trivia I didn't know. Easy segue to the Detroit Lions. The Lions lost way too many important coaches and will suffer quite a bit as a result next season, or because the Eagles just did what the lines are trying to do. Yeah, new coordinators right counter, but because I got a very flash in the pan feel about the Detroit Lions. Interesting. How so, I think, I think they missed their window I think it's over.
They probably missed their window. Yeah, probably, those are those aren't necessarily the same thing though, like to think operations gonna fall apart. They'll win 10 11 games they might win the north next year even so but you don't so you don't think they're going to have a San Francisco 49ers to fall back, where you go from the Super Bowl to being not even playoff contention no but I think they're going to be a lot more Buffalo Bills and they are Kansas City Chiefs over under 10 and a half lines wins next year, I probably take the over, over under 11 and a half. I'm gonna say 11.
Okay, I was trying to see where I was gonna land you. Okay, I'm gonna say I always start at 10 and then I work from there typically add a win or subtract loss I would start at 10 or 11, but 11, I mean again when you're talking about 15 and to go the NFC North schedule is not going to be as cake as it was a year ago, first of all, right. So they're all losing two or three games. Wait, well actually let's say this Vikings over under eight and a half wins. I think Vikings when nine I think Packers when nine I think lines when 11 I think bears when six. What.
Okay. Under the eight and a half so it's what's a 500 conference then. Yeah, which would be a big step back for the, for the, for the division. Do you guys realize a team that's locks to Kirk Cousins in the regular season has never won a Super Bowl. Say one more time the team, say that lose the Kirk Cousins in the regular season you've never won a Super Bowl, and the Eagles have lost the Kirk Cousins this year.
Huh. Would you like to know my Super Bowl prediction. I would. I'm taking Eagles by two touchdowns.
I wouldn't be surprised. Because it is the only way they can win. They won't win a close game, they're not going to win a close game. So receive the kickoff go down the field and go on every fourth down like you got you got to play this game where you're either going to win by 30 or lose by 30.
So that's what I would do and I'm not. There's something against like, well, I'm not going to bet against them until they until they lose. But then you lose the time, you know, you lose the time that you don't bet against them now you win all the other fucking 100 times so you're rich but next week, all of the Super Bowl takes are going to, they're going to stay it's the rehash of last year, where it's like, wow, you know this team a is so much more talented the roster so much better great well coached. But how do you bet against the quarterback at TV, it was what it was last year, the night like somebody I would like to see if anybody else comes up with my take where I think the Eagles need to just try to try to win the first quarter by 14 points. I just don't think you always try to win the first quarter by 14 but in a like overtly aggressive, almost obnoxious. Dan Campbell would blush kind of way, just like a no huddle. Just like to model, just, you know, start the game with 15 push pushes.
I mean if it works that well just fucking do it. Let me ask you this, not what you want to happen, what you think will happen the NFL will ban the tush push this offseason. No, no, and I got, I got riled up about that with some call. I actually almost clipped it for grant so he could hear you, like, absolutely lose your mind.
I walked away from the microphone to the other side of the room, so I could yell, so that it didn't get super picked up by the mic, but not until you had already yelled into the microphone and realized, Oh, shit, I probably just don't want to get rid of the tush push, you were gonna. It's like, so the shift remember MLB got rid of the shift. So what they were doing to the commanders was basically when we say will beat the shift just drop one down the left field line, or the right field line drop one down the NFL is saying okay but if you do that, we're going to give you, we're going to give them an out there they're penalizing the commanders, and then the, and then the Eagles are like, like, you're trying to draw them offside, it's just that was like even even if the principal whatever that 10 minutes of football was by far the worst 10 minutes of football I have ever seen, it was a bad TV product. It was so bad.
Yeah, imagine being there. Mm hmm. Well, except they kind of enjoyed it because then Hockley Jr. like the announcement felt so I want to do a viral thing, didn't it. Because even like the way that Hockley Jr. was very like, we have warned them about this behavior, if this behavior continue, it was just very like, aware, which again, like, it just felt like he wanted a moment Hockley did. Of course he did.
Which makes sense because his dad loved having his own moments. Yeah. What's that up to. What's that kid's name Steve, Sean, Sean, Sean Hockley still john Hussey.
How long has he been doing this, every time he turns on the microphone it's like it's the first time he's ever spoken to more than six people he always looks white as a ghost, like he stares stare at that spot stare at that spot like he looks like he's going to dump his pants, every time he's clenching like he said he's like bracing against like, like he's in a wind tunnel he makes it really bothers me, who's the Super Bowl referee. Is it isn't it Torbert. He's doing it. I don't know I thought I saw a tweet about it. I can look it up I guess. I want to. I want to.
I can't find it. So, did he do the, did he do the AFC game. I don't know. Isn't it weird though that you wouldn't choose one I mean if you take your two best crews and you put them on the AFC championship games. Why wouldn't one of those presumed to best be the Super Bowl crew. If I say a referee Can you figure, can you, in your head.
Picture what he looks like, probably, of course, Carl sheffers. Mm hmm. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Clete Blakeman Oh Clete, I got Clete. How about land land Clark.
What about what about Brad Allen. Yes. No, I'm striking out on a visual of.
Alright, back to the Dan Cheney YouTube folks. You guys see this. Yeah, there's Brad Allen. Oh, okay.
Skinny neck. He looks like John Blake. Do we know him?
I don't think not well. I mean third season as referees that makes sense. There's also in his real life a software quality assurance manager.
So, hold on, hold on. These guys should go full time to do what, what are they doing the other 37 hours a week. Who cares. Are they practicing rereading the rule book? Maybe the to go full time makes no sense.
No, it does make sense. There's Carl. There's land Clark and about it's just full. Ellen is new. I don't. Yeah, I don't know. Ellen. Yeah, Adrian Hill. I don't know.
No new to taking pictures too. It looks like John Hussey. You got to know. You got to know Hussey. I mean, he's he's right away. If you're dating, you're dating a girl and you come home and her dad's John Hussey or you're like, I'm just turning around this.
I'm not dealing with this shit. Alex Kemp. No, I don't think I could have pictured him. Clay Martin's a huge dork. Clay Martin looks like a Slenderman.
Scott Novak also looks like a Slenderman. I don't know who that is. Brad Rogers. Are these guys the ones doing the Titans games every week?
Is that like on Torbs? Oh, there he is. Yeah, you got to know Ron. Ron Torver. Bill Vinovich.
I got a big bill. Craig Rolstad. I don't know. A swing official. Bruce Stritzke, airline pilot. Bill Vinovich is a CPA. What a stupid league. Torver's an attorney.
There's a lot of attorneys. God, this is kind of stupid. It is.
It's very stupid. Alex Kemp sells insurance. I wonder if there's an Alex Kemp YouTube stream somewhere.
Dude, Alex Kemp's insurance ads have to be like the best. Alright, I just have a bunch of ref puns. Grant, did you answer the Lions? Big step back.
Too many. I don't think they'll take a big I don't really have much to add to what Bart said other than I think Dan Campbell has been disrespected a bit because his Ben Johnson and his coordinators are preparing to leave. Everyone's saying like, man, you wish you could keep Ben Johnson instead of Dan Campbell.
You know, you hear a lot of that. And then Ben Johnson goes to the press conference in Chicago, and maybe this lands a certain way with me because I'm a Packers fan and owner. But he said, man, I enjoyed beating Matt Lafleur twice a year.
That's the kiss of death. You see how many Bears fans are coming at me like you didn't say Packers. He said Lafleur. It's the same fucking thing.
Figure it out. Why do I have to always be the one to tell you how stupid you are? But like, don't you think it's a little disrespectful to the head coach?
You're like, I enjoyed beating Matt Lafleur twice. You're like, yeah, these guys don't even know each other with the head coach. Like you're writing checks for Dan Campbell to cash here in a way, right?
And I just I don't know. I think that's a little disrespectful to what he's built in Detroit. Yeah, I'm gonna say big step back.
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Love hurts only theaters February 7. This current period, let's call it this two week period. This is the worst two week period in the sports calendar. I'm glad we have the NBA trade deadline in there.
I guess that's fair. I remember when the NBA trade deadline used to mean something. I would skip class at UWL to watch TV thinking Jimmy Butler could get traded today. And now these guys just ask for trades whenever they want. If it doesn't happen, they just quit playing until it goes down.
They gotta do something. This whole period. February. This period. Even March. To try to get up for a Kentucky UNC basketball game on CBS, I don't give a shit.
It's a tough period of time. Especially when the Super Bowl doesn't have a lot of match up flair. I've gone from like not being interested in college basketball to outwardly having a disdain for it.
Oh good. You've joined me now in the disdain department. I don't like when it's on my TV. Wisconsin is an electric factory this season. What are you guys talking about?
Welcome to the crew. I don't even want to watch March Madness. They make 15 threes a night and you walk away from the game saying, oh, that's kind of a down night for them.
It just does absolutely. And I love college football. I also don't care.
But I've talked about that. I hate high school football. I think the culture is so bad. But I love high school hoops, dude. I love high school hoops.
Our media careers were born in those gyms. I love high school hoops. But then college hoops fucking sucks. The only people who don't like high school basketball are the folks that's never been to a Central Onalaska regular season game.
They just never have experienced it. Yeah. What's Central? Central what? The Cross Central. The Cross Central outside, I should have assumed. Did they merge?
I don't know. I'm kind of out on local politics there. They were possibly going to combine and then put it in the old train building. But that got shot down and the north side got fucking pissed.
They do not like the idea of their identity, their ranger identity being taken away. A lot of yard signs. Grant, what's the worst two week period in the sports calendar? MLB All-Star break.
This is fine. It's not the best. Losing NFL weekly content sucks, but... But again... April at least you get the start of the MLB season, you get the NFL draft. You get free agency in March for the NFL. That can be fun. But at least it's summer.
Oh, okay. This period, this just cold shit period. No games to look forward to. No games to look forward to. And then I'll get into the U.F.L.
and no one will give a fuck. So are you saying worst two week period in the calendar? Yeah, remember for like three years they made it one week? Like there was no break? What, for the Super Bowl?
Yeah. That wasn't that long ago. Why did we change that? When was that?
Stretch it out. That was like in our adult lifetimes. At least me and Bart's.
When was there no two week break before Super Bowl? I'll ask Grock. Uh, yeah. Grock.
Jesus Christ. Grock? No.
Who can come up first? Jeeves or Grock? I don't know. Jeeves is fucking dead.
It was like, it was like the early 2000s, I think. It's giving me a bunch of shit I don't want. Yeah.
They want to stretch it out another week, which I get. Burned six gallons of water to search that. Didn't get what I was looking for. Why don't you look at DeepSeek?
What do they say? I don't even know what that is. The computer generated images. You're a fucking child if you get any enjoyment out of that. I'm sorry.
Look at this picture of Rogers in a Steelers hat. Do you know how much of a menace I would have been if during college I had the AI technology to make it look like I was making out with any girl I wanted? Oh my God.
A public menace or a menace in that you would have had some good home cooking for your dorm room activities? A little death cab for cutie. A little AI here. A little... We all were headed with this.
Last one then I gotta go. The Bucks should make a big trade before the deadline. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. In other words, Middleton, Portis, Connaughton out, someone of substance in. The Bucks should make a big trade. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. I still think they can win mm-mm with this team. Can Middleton just show up once every four games? Is that enough?
Giannis and Dame looked pretty good this week even though they lost to Portland. Yeah, that was fun. On national TV. Which matters more whether you like it or not. It does.
It does. Oh, I got so pissed. Did you see the Embiid stat? Did you talk about it nationally? Yeah, in the last hour.
Good, good, good. He has missed 47% of his games. Crazy. 400 missed versus like 450 played. It's one thing to know he misses a lot of time, but to see the numbers where he is 3% away from missing half of all the games eligible to him. How many games has he played where he's like, gotta leave game?
Right. He didn't even count the ones that he started but didn't finish. What, how much money did he make on those 400 missed games?
Probably like 300 million, 250 million. Yeah, he's made a lot of money. The thing that pissed me off the most was not that he went to Team USA, found a way on to get the gold, but then in international competition, he was trying to flop for NBA fouls. What a fucking loser.
You know, it's gonna be actually really annoying and I'm like really, really annoying. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it will be when he's announced for the Hall of Fame. He's a Hall of Famer and that's stupid.
Fuck that. He missed half the games he played. He's a flop. Chris Middleton is probably a Hall of Famer. Chris Middleton, probably. No. Everyone makes a Hall of Famer. I've never thought about that, but is that? No.
He probably will. Andre Iguodala got his number retired by Golden State. Is Draymond obviously a Hall of Famer, Bart? Is that obvious? Oh, yeah. Come on.
That sailed a while ago, right? Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know what though? If Middleton is close, if Draymond is definite, we need tighter standards.
Like that's, they should not, no, you're not, no. Does any other Buck get their number retired besides Middleton and Giannis? Probably not. Could Brook? Yeah.
Brook would be the one. Yeah. Do they need to win again? Yeah.
Brook, to get it, you need one more. Because Andre Iguodala got his retired, which means they have to retire Gerance. He won two finals MVPs.
Maybe silly question. Can you have your jersey retired by two different teams? Yes. Vince Carter just got it. Michael Jordan? The double?
Well, okay. Jordan. Yeah, the Heat retired Michael Jordan.
Heat culture. Spolster's doing well these days, by the way, Bart. Super, or Paul. Super happy team down there. Yeah.
The culture's unbeatable. You know, Tyler Hero is actually like an all star. They've got that rookie wear who's good. No, he's doing, Spolster is doing just fine in his player development.
As long as we don't ever expect him to win anything at a high level without Lebron, Spolster is doing excellent per usual. Yes. Also, start victory lapping CJ Stroud and what a massive regression he took this year. Move off of the Spolster thing and start flapping in people's face that you were right about Stroud. Do you want me to?
Because I'm ready for it. Yes. You weren't right about Stroud. Will it be Bryce Young or CJ Stroud who has the better career? Will it be Bryce Young?
And I think we ended up with saying like the DNA strand thing where they're just always going to be one A and one being each other. But I'll take the Bryce Young answer right now. He's got his offensive coordinator fired. Something to consider. Who's that? Bryce Young has yet to get his offensive coordinator fired, which CJ Stroud just did.
Yeah, he did. And a Green Bay guy too, which makes it slow. Okay, so what do you think for the Super Bowl?
The Bucks should make a big trade for me. I don't really have an opinion on the Super Bowl. It's fine. Whatever. I don't really care who wins. I don't either.
Which maybe that's okay. Grant, you care? You'll be rooting for something?
Jeeves. You want to see the history? Yeah. I was told for 20 years by Patriots fans, just respect greatness. Just appreciate greatness.
I'm appreciating. By the way, did you guys notice how far out of his way was that Nance went to say that Pat Riley had trademarked 3-peat? He must have had a lawyer ready to be like, if the Chiefs win, we're going to talk about 3-peat. Make sure you credit Riley. He trademarked it?
Pat Riley owns 3-peat. That's stupid. You didn't know this? No. That's why Nance... I think it was Nance, right? Kept saying like, as trademarked- Chief Pete.
Chief Pete. Yeah. He tried to come up with something different because- Three, Chief. Because the only way he could say 3-peat was to say TM Riley, essentially.
He didn't... Right? But yeah. Pat Riley owns 3-peat. Well, I own 3-peat because when I was a soccer coach, we won the Fondy Cup three years in a row and the final year was because of this insane goal that went like, the kid started to kick to the right, then it went left and I don't know how he did it, but his name was Pete.
So, we called it a 3-peat. Oh, but- P-E-T-E. But yeah. Right. So, I don't think Riley owns P-E-T-E. No, I do.
Just like you came up with Blackout. Do you guys know this about me? I'm a bitch boss.
Are you? Boss, bitch. Oh yeah.
That one. So, thank you both for your services. Bye guys.
Appreciate you guys. Paul, have a good week. You too. Grant, enjoy the Super Bowl. He left you. Bye Bart.
See you. That's another episode of Mm-hmm, Mm-hmm. I do have a voicemail off the Carl's Place voicemail line that I would be thrilled to share with you.
Where do we go on this one? We've got it, and I think it was from Dan. 402915BART, you can leave a voicemail, 402915BART, and this is about the history of the Packers winning those championships that have been eradicated from anyone's brain. And if I press play, you'll be able to hear it. Again, all I have to do is press play.
What's up Bart? Hey, listening to your podcast today, your talk, your discussion about the history of the NFL, that got me riled up. I 110% agree with you. You can't erase history. You can't erase the NFL prior to Super Bowl I. It just doesn't make sense.
On top of that too, I want to add to what you were saying. All these teams have their retired numbers, their retired players, the players that they have glorified for their entire existence. I can't help but think about Jim Brown, the Browns, and how much he is remembered, and how much of a difference he made for the NFL.
Of course, he never played in Super Bowl, but he is a national champion. It just doesn't make sense to take away from those players that made a difference and made the franchises who they are today. You go to Lambeau and you see all those retired numbers, especially like Curly Lambeau. He won championships as a player and as a coach, and it just doesn't make sense to take it away from them. I hate to do it for any team, even the teams that have not made it to the Super Bowl yet, like the Browns or the Lions. Why celebrate them if they haven't made it to the Super Bowl? That's what everyone is going to say, or the average fan is going to say. Just because they haven't made it to the Super Bowl yet, their franchise is a piece of garbage.
That's not the case. I also want to add to the Madden discussion about giving Rich Visasya maybe a PlayStation controller and a copy of Madden. I think we should all go to the draft in April and maybe just hand deliver a few thousand copies of Madden to get into their heads, especially also Matt LaFleur, that they need to start playing Madden. They need to just sit down and take the summer off and play some Madden. Of course, they don't want to attend training camp and whatnot.
But I think it's time that they just take some time with their kids or friends or whoever, grab a beer, and just play some Madden. I think that'll help a lot. All right, take care. You take care too, Dan. I appreciate the call. And, of course, you grabbing the last pod. Yeah, we'll do something trade deadliney next week.
That would only be right. Thanks to Grant. Thanks to Paul. Thanks to Dan. Thanks to you. Thanks, guys, for stopping into the Winklerverse.
