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You need Indeed. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler.
Grant Bills is here and Paul Imig. I would like to say that as a Wisconsin sports fan, I feel in the last year, I have not risen up to the task of being a Wisconsin sports fan. In the way that I used to be because I do inherently watch less games. I watched, I watched less Brewers than I did this year with the NBA playoffs. I watched less bucks. If there's a game on and there's football like for this Commander's Eagles game, if the Bucks are playing football, it's got to be football.
It's got to be where I got to be. So I'm very glad that last night I could just, you know, while doing the show, but I could focus on the game at hand, which was the Bucks. And I know there's other NBA games to talk about.
Sure. But I had to see the Bucks take on the Pistons and Bucks beat the Pistons 127 to 120. They improved to four and eight. This game went to overtime when it shouldn't have for two reasons. Giannis did not touch that dude at all.
No. And then Ron Holland was born to miss those two shots from the free throw line. Giannis in this game, 59 points, 14 boards, seven assists, two steals, three blocks. It's one of those stat lines.
It's like never been done. So I don't know if this quells people's thoughts on the Bucks, Paul, and you can take it where you want to take it, but they are four and eight. Dame did not play in that game because a ref gave him a concussion, I guess.
You know, Marzian said he was the ref when he called a foul, like on Sunday or whatever day it was, hit Dame in the head and that's why he's got a concussion. Oh wow. Yeah. But the Bucks are four and eight and we're all pumped up about an overtime win over the Pistons.
At home. Yeah. A home win over the Pistons. And an NBA cup win the other night. Which is big.
Let's not forget about that. They are at the top or tied for the top of the standings in their group. A group? Is it a group? Group.
You can call it a pod if you want, but I can go with group. I think, I mean, the national story to the Bucks, and I didn't get to hear the entirety of your show, but the national show, but the national story from that last night though was Giannis's, this is my city. This is my fucking city. That honestly, the optics of MB the other night against the Knicks running into that small little guard and falling backward as if he had just gotten like ticked in the face. It's so maddening. I recently, we can dive into it in a little bit, but I honestly think Adam Silver has a, let's say he's the commissioner for the next 10 years. If he wants the league to be bigger than what it is now and at least not smaller than it is popularity wise, I think Adam Silver has a challenge.
I'm trying to say, do I want to say problem, but like some of the stuff, man, it's really gross. But anyway, I think the national story with the Bucks Pistons win is Giannis doing the thing that like three weeks ago MB says, what was the thing about like, I've done so much for this town. And now three weeks, and that was like, okay, whatever. It's just Joel being in Joel. And then last night, the guy who's in way more trade rumor nonsense than MB is, is saying this is my city.
I thought that's an interesting way to dispel. I know Bobby Marx. I think it was Bobby Marx. Was he the one that kind of dispelled it at ESPN a few days ago?
Like, was it Marx? Yes, it was like, well, Giannis is not getting traded. You can shut that down. But Giannis doing this is my city. This is my F&C is like the exclamation point to the question because if we had talked five days ago, I have a question, which we could still flirt with, but definitely at two and eight, I wanted to take a temperature had we talked at the time of this is how I wrote it. It's time to have serious discussions about a Bucks teardown.
Mm hmm. Or we can still do that. But certainly whether or not we would have even thrown around Giannis ideas or thoughts.
Those are at the moment coming off of this is my city. This is my F&C game. You got to put those Giannis things far away. Because how much more you proclaim your loyalty than what Giannis did. I think any teardown Giannis is still got to be a part of it. But that's what's so hard, though, is like, for example, like when the Bucks were two and eight and Chet Holmgren just got hurt, for example, right?
Or like the Pelicans are going through their unbelievable injury woes. You could. You guys know no tech Ben, you know, you know who that is, right?
Yeah, I believe I've fought with him before. Maybe, but like really smart guy, like, he's a really smart guy, and obviously a major Bucks fan. But like he, he put out a scenario that I had jotted down to that but was essentially and this is again two and eight and Oklahoma City just had the Chet injury, and the Pelicans. If you wanted a hard reboot. If you were like, Listen, this whole thing is broken.
We're going to go 30 and 52 and we're not going to make the playoffs. If that was your position. You can't really soft reboot, like it's hard because of the second apron compiling of salaries to meet that and like you don't have your own draft picks. If you wanted to tear it down, you need to get your own pick back. And then the Pelicans in 2025 own that pick so it's like okay. All right, so you do Ingram and you do this and then you give the honest to the Pelicans and then the in the three way trade they send this to Oklahoma City and blah blah blah blah blah. So like, I think, I think like a half measure rebuild is really really hard because of how strapped the Bucks are see.
So anyway, let's just do it. I mean, it's, it's time to have it again they've just won two in a row the vibes are way better than they were four days three days ago, but should we be having serious discussions about a bucks tear down, or. Well, but I do think that one of the, I guess thoughts that I've seen out of this is that. Look how hardy honest played I gave you the stat line also defensively.
He was a monster and he reminded the league who he is. But I also think people were saying that other people that were not active in that game need to remember who Yanis is sure who they are playing with IE Damian Lillard. Yeah.
So, I still think like the ceiling for a day me honest combination is an NBA Finals. Yep. But I don't know that they. I don't know how much time you give for that to work out. And I we gave last year totally and then there were injuries. If they're still like, not on even the same chapter.
At the end of the season. Yeah. And I don't know all the, you know, trade specifics and stuff but this guy work at some point. Grant we should be having a serious discussion about a bucks tear down or no.
No, sorry. Other than the Celtics in the east, and maybe the Knicks, because I think the Knicks are excellent. They're very, they're very sturdy team right there young, they're very deep, like, I just, I think the Knicks have a very high ceiling. I can't see the Knicks like falling away like I maybe the Hawks in the past or even the Pacers I don't know, a little math has been good I, I just think there's the Celtics and then there's a lot of space, and the bucks.
You know, obviously they're four and eight and they put themselves in quite a hole but they could easily occupy that space in a month or two. I really like Bart's point about everyone, kind of needing to remember who they're playing with in the honest, I said on my show on Wednesday, after they beat the Raptors on Tuesday night it's like look we can bellyache about Bobby trades for the, I don't know, like the Dyson Daniels of the world or whoever but like, and that's that's just hypothetical but we're like at the end of the day the season is going to be defined by the attitude of Janus christened game. And I use the Warriors as an amazing example the Warriors could have died out and thrown in the towel when Katie left, and I don't think anyone really would have blamed him right Steph is a lot closer to 30 or on the wrong side of 30 and everyone will looked at that dynasty and stuff and said hey you won your titles, you won before Katie, you won with Katie right you're the greatest team of the decade.
And if LeBron hadn't existed, who's probably the greatest player of all time, in my opinion, yeah, you would want more right, you would want more. And the Warriors didn't quit, right, they had a linear to they mentally battled through that and they fought their way through in 2022 to prove it again. And I think this year is about whether or not Janus and Chris have the appetite to do that and Dame in a different way like Dame Do you have the appetite to fight and to prove that you have more to offer as an NBA superstar, or are you okay with your basketball career kind of ending as a footnote it's like yeah and then he got traded to Milwaukee and it never really worked. Do you mean, and if Dame is fine with his career ending like that.
He's had a great career and if you honest and Chris are fine with their kind of championship contention stories ending in 2021 I don't think anyone would blame them. I'm just looking to see if they can do the thing that the Warriors have done and that starts with those three guys and I think if they do that, to Bart's point, everyone else on the team responds I think that's the only way this works, and last night from Janus was a great first step let's see what Chris, when he's healthy and Dame can offer to. So here's how I would compare that with the Warriors is like curry though with Thompson and Draymond and the whole thing like yeah they created as Bart's talked about like the JV team there for a while, which the best of the JV teams and that being for gems coming is good too but coming is only starting to get like trustworthy and good. But like the most part like the core warriors guys we're all on the same time horizon so like Bart said, well, if it doesn't work out this year.
Is that when you that when you trade game is that when you blow it up. And the difference is at Janus his age versus Damian Lillard's like Lillard next year will be a 35 year old small guard making 58 million with a player option the year after for 63 million. Yes, you can trade Damian Lillard yes there will be trade value for Damian Lillard. But, like, how much of a market is there for a 35 year old guard who is defensively challenged, who's making $58 million for a team that would need that type of point guard to come in and be the final piece and so he was supposed to be the final piece up until this point he hasn't been so I don't know why other teams around the league would be like we, you know, we got to have everyone wants to trade everybody with very little recognition of what they're probably going to get back which well it's good to buy his funeral, but it might work for us.
Yeah, you know that that's as you know as all this time is like the idea like well I know it hasn't worked anywhere else or for anyone else but like I this our situation is special. The people who are already done, trying to see this thing through look I'm not sitting here to tell you like hey give it a month and the bucks are going to be the Celtics right they're never gonna they're not, they're not going to be in a position to be a favorite, probably ever again in the honest era, and that's not surprising given the way that the CBA is set up and especially the way they drafted which is, you know, poorly, at least in in ways that helps them contend but I mean Dame got here, a week before training camp last year, they hired a coach who all the players hated, they brought Doc rivers in in the middle of the year and then everyone got hurt, like, I struggled to. I struggled to see how things were supposed to go any better than they did last year. You know what I mean like what what was the other outcome what was the better outcome that we were supposed to get from that situation last year and now we're less than a month into this year I'd like to see it a little bit before we blow it up, Jesus. Well, I was, I was like the way they played against the Cavs those two games.
In the Celtics like those were good games they just didn't win. Yeah, so I when Doc said it one in six, I'm not worried about the playoffs well no no kidding. You shouldn't be, but they, they should get to a point where. And when I feel them for Sparky last Friday I said, I might have to get off my.
They can flip a switch thing, because I thought for years they could and I don't know that they can. I think they have to play good winning basketball, so that they have the confidence to make a run, wherever that's going to be. Yeah, I did have a very very knowledgeable Bucks fan buddy who at two and eight said he was emotionally and mentally ready for like the honest trade scenarios. Well, you know, it's like, it's not inconceivable that, you know, at two and eight more so than at four and eight, it's like, because again you what the Bucks can't allow to happen and this was no tech Ben's point in that one tweet that I referenced which was like, if the honest era fades out with a bunch of six seeds and first round exits. They will, they will, they will honestly be completely and that's what he said and I totally agree irrelevant for 15 years, because they don't control a draft pick until 2033 2032. And so like if you're just going to keep getting like the 18th pick in the draft, and it's honest and AJ green and Ryan Rollins and like you're a decent sixth seed.
You. If you hold on, if you hold on to the honest thing. You need to know that you can eventually 2024 warriors your way out of it golden state warriors your way out of it like, is there something at the end, like in three years when in through like let's be in three years, Brooke Chris and Damer gone right in three years I mean they'll probably all three be retired. So they're definitely gone from the box in three years, and let's be honest is still here, which would be great. But like, how do you not have the rest of the, like, it's a funky position to be in if you're going to try to hang on if you're going to try to hang on.
You have to find a brand and pajama ski. I mean like you have AJ green needs to be at Ajax, which by the way, I think another thing that's worth talking about is like this youth roster that's part of, you know, what's gonna turn them around. But I think that's where it's such, it is a tough decision because if they do Peter out with like four years of being the sixth seed and getting the 18th pick in the draft and whatever. Yeah, games will be affordable, then they'll be that's the good news.
They'll be affordable that's definitely the upshot but they will be a mediocre. You know you what you don't want to become is like this. You know, mid 30s Yanis lead team that wins 42 games and you just don't have a path, like, you still have a superstar and maybe that's enough, like what the Blazers turned into a dame. Yeah, quite Yeah, yeah, yep, yep. But then you waited to the point where like the return you got for the return that Portland got for Dame was like, fine. You know like it wasn't like you got back a bunch of people forget they traded Drew holiday to the Celtics it wasn't the bucks that traded Drew holiday to the Celtics people forget.
So I'm also, or you know serious discussions about a box teardown. No, but they had, they had to get these two wins like they just did all last night was last. Not, not even. It's not like four and eight is markedly a better spot than three and nine but the emotional letdown of losing last night at home in that game from Yanis would have been a real kick in the store. I mean, the thing that came to mind earlier when we were when Bart said the thing about what so was. I was trying to connect the dots with something you said a little bit ago part but it would have triggered for me was this idea of Yanis last year deferred, he said this like Yana said this. I want damn I want you to take over that's why it's damn time that's why it's fourth quarter.
So I wonder if last night was a reminder. Yes to his teammates, yes to, but like to Yanis that like you're, you're Yanis man like it was, you did the right thing. In theory to like defer to the new guy who's the superstar guard. This is your team.
This is your city. This is your franchise, you need to carry him, not him. Be the guy that can't you know, you get the ball to and you say hey, I'm good games a great close out player, you get the ball. This is no man like you, you Yanis need to say, I'm the best player on this team. It's, it's up to me and stop maybe so maybe more than anything it's a reminder to Yanis that it's Yanis that's that was one of my takeaways I don't know if you guys. Well, can Dame get to that point where he can play that way because then when Yanis is off the floor names going to go back into number one mode, and that, that's, that's okay. In those minutes, like, it's, it's nice when I mean again that was the difference between in theory having Damian Lillard instead of Drew holiday is like in the non Yanis minutes. You can score the ball a lot easier, right because you have Lillard and, you know, we know we've all seen Middleton come up big when he's needed to but his injury path I mean, I don't know what to make of his availability in April, May and June, Middleton, I'd also like the bucks to be honest with their ticket purchasing fans and cable subscribing fans about when he will be back. I don't think it's fair that they just completely keep bucks fans in the dark they've given us no details from training camp till now. They've given us absolutely nothing, and I think that's BS. Are you worried all that they don't know. No. So they're just lying.
They're not actively lying, they're just not saying anything. I just wonder though with Middleton's Yeah, gray area, gray, but like it is possible like, unlike the Embiid situation where it seemed that he just sort of individually declared himself out on back to backs and out to start the season that was not communicated well, because he just didn't trust his knee. I wonder if Middleton's, you know, I don't I guess I just don't know what to make of. We had double ankle surgeries, I don't blame him for not being ready at the beginning of the year but it's not like he has some mystery playground that only Dr. House can cure like, just give us a fucking ballpark so I know when to buy tickets, you know what I mean like it's not it's not fair to fans. I think the question that I need to ask you then, and I was gonna ask it two minutes ago but Chris Middleton is the difference between you tuning in and or buying a ticket. No, but let me be a prick on the radio like what's Chris Middleton is the most like ho hum good player that exists in the NBA in the past five years like he's not. I've never gone to watch a game on TV or anywhere else like, I want to see what Middleton does tonight, like yeah but my point is like it's not cheap to be able to watch every single Bucks game and going to fight service and cheap and you have these fans that are committing themselves to a team right now that's foreign eight, and I don't think they'll remain.
You know, under 500 the entire season I don't know that they'll ever get way above 500 but just show some appreciation to your fans and some honesty with your fans I think it goes a long way but whatever, just looking out for the little guy because I am the little guy I am the littlest of guys, you are teeny tiny. Here's the other tangent I had. And, you know, sometimes I do this I copy and paste the tweet, sometimes you take a screenshot of it so I can accurately for this one I copy and paste it. So I don't recall who it was from, but. Wow, I don't know I'm sorry attribution issues, I apologize to whomever this was, you're the journalist here man you know, don't need to answer to us just, I will always attribute, I will I will go down with the attribute ship I was even reading pretty much I was reading an article of the other day online on the air but I said, I said I was reading it. Yeah, so I'm gonna say that I'm reading this.
But it's a copy and paste so I don't see what the author was. I don't care what happens to this team trading for Dame will always be the right choice. I know we've had this conversation at different times but the information changes, every time we bring it up, so I don't care what happens to this team trading for Dame will always have been the right choice. I think the revision is history there is the firing of, but. Oh, more so than the trade.
Okay. Yeah, and I was very grant is nodding and approval on board the fire but train which me too. I don't get everything right, everyone was every single person everywhere was bud success does not mean he should have stayed. Those are not that's not the same thing now, should they have had to work in the injury stuff isn't new it was happening during his tenure too and, but so like depending on what you want to believe if john horse really did want Kenny Atkinson, the undefeated head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Jimmy has them of all fucking people apparently reportedly was like, no doc rivers, like, whatever the, however they arrived at what they arrived at. How different would the bucks be with Kenny Atkinson, and by the way, who reported that again, whose report was that, you know I'm talking about right you saw the same review, I just, I just can't remember who reported it, I mean we can't just shit he said here and shit on the Browns and Oh, Jimmy has them's making Stefanski start Watson and then be like, Oh, he's probably a great owner here. Right. What. Unlikely same guy doing the revision revisionist history. This is I've been banging this drum really hard with the NFL right now to where it's like this whole Waldron thing the way that it's gone down it's like well why did they hire just hire Kliff Kingsbury to be their head coach it was so obvious it's like, because everyone thought he was a fucking idiot after Arizona, like it now everyone wants to act like of Kingsbury was the man all along it's like no, it's not what it was. And it's the same with bootenholzer the net, the national media wanted bootenholzer out after 2019 definitely wanted him out after the bubble.
And then he makes it two more years, and now everyone gets to act like well they never should have fired but what are you like, am I the only one with a memory sometimes I feel like I'm the only one with a memory and my memory is not even that good. No, you're definitely not. Okay. Okay. Okay.
But I will say this I saw a lot of people don't have one. I saw a bootenholzer press conference from the other night. He looks in much, but he needed those two years off, like he looks, he looks like he looks like he did at the start of the bucks run before the job kicked his ass, like, which is not being NBA head coach man like I get it, but he looks like he looks like he's much younger self again right that's noticeable right I'm not the only one that saw this well, he can go outside more than three months a year and now he's not eating cheese curds ride shit all the time, like, no wonder he looks better, he was in Arizona, my motivation to try to lose a couple LBS is that if he was going to look better I needed to look better so I can still look like the doppelganger effect is important. Yeah. So revisionist history being what it is. I don't care what happens to this team training for Dame will always be the right choice. I think it was I think the opportunity was was too good.
I have no, I have no problem with it. Same thing. I don't know if it was the only right choice. I think.
Keeping Drew or going with Dame, I think both were choices that you could make, and they were one was a safer path one was a riskier path but neither really guaranteed anything, and I don't blame them for being more aggressive after getting bounced in the first round All right, Packers. All right, you want to do some Packers or do some Packers before that you know what I want to do. Yes, I do. I want to do some hemp, some happy place hemp promo code is Bart at happy place hemp calm 25% off each and every order. The CBD CBN that I take at night, makes a huge difference.
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When you go to your Thanksgiving, and a great stocking stuffer as well for the holidays promo code. Bart. All right, we can get some Packers in they got a big game against the bears the bears are really reeling right now, Matt LaFleur has never lost to this team, I do worry if there was ever a time it would be this, but I actually don't worry. I don't worry but I don't know. It feels like it's too obviously a Packers win so yep that that I you know you always worry about that.
Coming off a by coming off a by, but they played Detroit last and even coming off a by teams that play Detroit still have a rough go the next game is that is that is that right. I don't I don't know if it's a perfect six or seven and oh yet but for the first five weeks at least it was that way. Jared golf is seven and know when he throws five or more pics. Yeah. You've seen this. I have. I didn't bring it up last night I. So they're just gonna let that slide.
So the king of the king of. I want to parse my words. You want to pivot let's pivot. No, I don't want to pivot I just like does he realize he got duped and is that going to change his future behavior or does he just think that was an accident that. That's just what I wonder. It's a good thing to wonder, pretty, pretty harmless mistake but funny. It's a funny one, funny but I like, I like the idea that the guy who in the middle of like in the middle of the night posted it like what I mean what a, what a crazy like to be that guy to be like, Hey, you know that, you know that stat that he cited like I made that up that was, that's got to be a pretty like stupid but wonderfully unique thing to have happened to you as a, what was the what was the fallout between Rogers and Mike Williams, how come Mike Williams and Rogers couldn't mean he seems to hate that guy with who a to Rogers, because of the red line.
Because the red line. So the question I want to ask about Packers, because we know you know we you guys do plenty of, especially you know grant on the local airwaves you have to do a lot of Packers bears chatter. Bart loves the word chatter visit tomorrow. You're part of it. No, they didn't explicitly asked me, because I you know I'm on both stations.
Yeah. You should be the moderator. I was gonna go down and like go there but then I'm not being asked to. Well, I haven't been. What do you call it, invited. Is that the word is this in Milwaukee or is this in Chicago, Russia, Russia, or the border. You dumb ass.
But I will happily promote. Yeah. The question I want to ask you guys because we do more of like these bigger picture Packers questions and box questions and everything else rather than the day to day breakdown. The one that I was thinking about. Since we last talked was you're drawing up the play. Matt Leflore season on the line game on the line but with the game on the line the seasons on the line and love has to loves first read has to be to somebody, right, and presumably it's to the guy that you met the floor as the play caller Jordan love you got the ball trust the most. Your first read is to someone, right, and the play, and you got it's a passing play passing down season on the line, Matt Leflore has to drop a play Jordan love has to make a throw to one receiver. The receiver you trust the most the guy who you would assign as the first read on that play is Romeo Dobbs. Or. The first.
The answer is in the question. Oh, it's a riddle Jayden read. Ah, now the beginning of season, I thought, I thought Christian Watson would be like a clear wide receiver one and we had that. I like that we had that conversation before the season so we can always kind of bookmark it is like now he's be like my fourth or fifth option.
Why. I mean also if you're including Tucker craft, you know, in this situation who I Watson Watson's role in the game plan. Why is Watson that much lower than Dobbs. You trust Watson at the same level to make the play. Watson doesn't have a single drop this year, depends if you count the fact that that he like, for example on that wind ball. Yeah, what was that, it's not a drop be it's like just like a being a center fielder it's not an error if you don't touch it but you also played it, so like a so is, is, is the throw with the game on the line a 60 yard bomb in the lights in the rain in the wind.
Okay, okay, sure, then maybe, maybe I may worry about him this reading it was crossing route is an out route. So you can he's had technically the most trustworthy hands on the team this year despite everyone making fun of him for drops because he dropped one ball in Minnesota one time. This first that doesn't that was an interview that changed the course of Packers history, and I really literally agree with you we are still living the aftermath of that one singular play, which I was in a brewer game when it happened and yet here we are still dealing with it. So Grant you can be all technical and say well what's the what is the route of said play and I thought you might have to, you know, I thought you might try to hammer that down, but I don't want to get into like what the route, how many yards you need. I just kind of want to get into the general like the receiver who you trust the most to make the big play the needed play the game on the line play the season on the line play. And when I say receiver again it could it could be Josh Jacobs, it could be Tucker craft it could it doesn't have to be a wide receiver in the technical sense. I'm just curious if the one you would trust the most in that situation with that, that first read for that for that play is Joe is Romeo Dobbs, or I think if I if I had to give you an answer. It would be Romeo Dobbs to get a contested catch to get to get a ball in traffic. I only, I only mentioned Watson because he's actually had the most trustworthy hands of anybody on the team this year like wicks Dobbs and read I think are all top 10 in the NFL and drops. Number one is he not like number one yeah worries or he's close to it, mostly because nobody who drops that number of balls gets as many targets as wicks has because people who dropped that many passes don't get open like wicks is his own worst enemy he keeps I thought last week against the lions, it was like, like, you know who to blame, I thought every throw that was dropped was equal part love and receiver just felt like love wasn't putting it in the right spot. Some, but then the receiver. I think the one ball was like behind Chris Brooks. There's been plenty of drops where they're right in the hands to I'm not I'm not. What's the word absconding absent, I'm not removing blame from.
No, I don't, I'm not removing blame from love. But there's a lot of these guys have just dropped a lot of passes this year, straight up even good balls they've just dropped a lot of them. So you guys so you would say, not like you'd sit in Dobbs. Again, situationally dependent perhaps and route dependent but yeah, Bart Romeo Dobbs came on the line season on the line. I'm on Jayden Reed.
Okay. I just I just trust him the most I think he can get the most yards after the catch. Yep. I think you can use him in a variety of different ways, or a different routes. I just, I feel like he's the top guy.
And I think there's a lot that think Dobbs and maybe is. I still don't know what the clear pecking order is. Yeah. You know, and I know it's still kind of up in the air and whatever Bo Melton comes to mind we all love a little bowl. Melton. But I'm still my most trusted guys read. Yeah.
It's close, and I'm, I'm. I do strongly consider whether or not the answer should be Tucker craft, like I wasn't just saying that for the sake of the question like it's. He had a drop I think in the Detroit game right like kind of early one. So, again, not as Musgrave just done. Well he's he's still on it comes back like crafts the guy in craft was the guy before Musgrave was hurt. I think, yes, not necessarily last year but this year yeah like he was tied on one coming into he looks so much better in camp. Like in all Packers Packers people said that it's like yeah craft is clear in a way that doesn't mean that Luke Musgrave can't contribute though at some point. That's the difference though of having the tight end who being in the game does not give away that it's a pass or a run Musgrave is in the game.
Either you have a super shitty blocker out there, who's going to block for some reason or it's obviously a tight end going out for a pass as a receiver craft does both, it's remember when they got Jimmy Graham and they're like actually, he's going to need to block when he's here, how fucking dumb was that you guys remember that where they lined him up in line and they're like no if you're going to play tight end in this offense then you're going to block it's like well then why is he here, like I'd literally rather have been Sims if that's how we're going to use him. Yeah, it was a while ago but I just first time I've thought about that in a while. Yep, was dumb. Yeah, I think in some order it is for me. Read Dobbs and craft.
That is the benefit of. Still, like, yeah. If you if you, you know, if you did like the 32 team survey. Read would win the survey for like name the Packers wide receiver one.
Sure. Read would win that that survey right from like from like defensive coordinators across the league like the guy that they would plan for the guy they would worry about scheme against right would be read probably. Probably in a. Yeah, probably pretty significantly, I think so I'm really interested to see the second half of the season that Jane Reed has because, man, he had a drop or two against the Texans that hurt. He dropped that deep ball was that going into halftime of the Texans game that would have given them an awesome shot at kicking a field goal, like he's. I'm not saying he's been bad, but he has not been the, the, the far away star at slot receiver consistently, and it's still early right they've only played nine games so there's, there's the most important part of the season left I just, I think there's room for him to even play better in half number two than half number one. He's been good he just hasn't been as good as I was kind of hoping, to be honest. Yeah, he started out.
Great. I mean between the Philly game in Brazil I'm just look briefly looking at, he's on one of my two fantasy teams but like, you can track it in that way you're like because you're watching for him in a different way. When a guy's on your team and it's like they did like one of the first plays of the season against Philly was that was it an end around or somewhere, where we'd have the touchdown on the handle wedding. I didn't watch that game.
Yeah, sure. I know I know one guy who was at that Brazil game as a fan, you're about to say I knew one guy who's at that wedding like no shit. How did you even know, did you ever get to the bottom of that part of Barry and Barry and Boston went to Brazil. No, Barry calls the show. I like to talk to Barry he's also the caller I yell at the most, you definitely don't remember last time you've talked to him but yeah, you definitely don't know if you actually hate him. Last night he calls and he's just like he's talking like yeah the Celtics they they did this and I go Barry you are talking to me like you are talking during your dream. And I'm in bed with you like, open your mouth and say words. That's me yelling so that's, that's an important skill with a caller to be able to take it but then also to give it back a little bit. There's a lot of between laughs about it like being willing to be like, Yeah, fuck me.
You fuck me fuck you. Yeah, this guy it's 130 in the morning in Boston he's like, All right, it's time to call that bark guy and get yelled at on national radio. He's in Boston yeah it's yeah it's even later in Central Time, damn. Good for Barry.
They love sports talk over there on the East Coast good for them I'm glad you're connecting part glad you and Barry have a good thing going. Bart has your kid yet discovered the heroes of goo jitsu. No, but I am doing the bar to meter tonight about hardest things that what hardest things. What hardest things. Bro, what do you like it about football. Oh, that's a good topic. Would you like to hear it.
I actually very much would this interest me. Alright, so these are the hardest things that when I'm teaching my kid about football. The hardest things to explain to him. Number eight. Scoring in general, six, and then it turns into a seven. Yep. Then the other day I said, Okay, now they're going for a field goal, what is a field goal, explaining all that.
Very challenging. Number 17 logos, which we have helmets so I've been quizzing him. But for the longest time, I still thinks he thinks the Cowboys are the magical stars. So he's like one of those people.
It's a literal right that's like, yeah, yeah, but then there's some like. And that's why if you're thinking logos, the commander's logo he just calls the team the W's. But the dolphins have really like that sticks out at him so when we were at a sporting goods store I said he could buy like a magnet and there was a dolphins magnet and he wanted it. And the lions he likes because he because those are the logos that he can tell what is what.
Sure. Number six down and distance. First down and 10 well it's what's 10. Okay, and what.
And that's why I think the yellow line is not just great for us but is a great teaching tool for your children, because it's a clear line that I say they need to get to that line. Otherwise they have to punt. And that leads into number five. When do you punt what to do on fourth down. Why daddy are they not punting here. Why are they running the football it's fourth down. So what to do on fourth down is number five.
Number four is different positions defensive lineman safety running back wide receiver tight as a, why does a tackle what tackle is a position that doesn't tackle and we were in quarterback sound similar. I see, and then don't get me started about when somebody reports is eligible. Do you cite the podcast. There's a time our tenant name. Yeah, that's not I didn't make up that name. Hold on though, do you actually when you're watching, try to explain all these things.
I tell them what's happening and then he'll ask questions off of that. Okay, I say like, that was a sack well what's a sack tackle of the quarterback well what's the quarterback. Okay, so we go that way. Number three kickoff rules. And the difference between that and punting number two is basically every penalty. And then good old number one, what is a catch. Is this really is this really come up.
That one's for comedic. Yeah. Have you hit him with the, with the, why you should go for two and down 14 late in the game.
Just go for the straight go for the straight senior level curriculum. Yeah, which daddy still doesn't get that one so I'm, I, I can say the words and explain I can say all the words necessary to explain why coaches do that I still in my, my deepest of downs it doesn't land with me but I can say the words. Yeah, I can describe to somebody why it's happening, but I don't get why it's happening. Yeah.
My eyes will look very empty when I'm saying the word there's nothing. It's not landing. Funny. Well boys speaking of the boy I have to go get him. Is this is this bears Tyler Beijing story is this real or you wanted to play him. No, no, like it apparently Tyler Beijing keeps leaking fake news to ESPN media saying players want Beijing over fields and overfield and Caleb which has never happened. If this is true, this is so Beijing is the one telling ESPN that the players want Beijing. Brad Biggs came out and said that like that hasn't happened, like that the original report he's like, I don't think people have done that is there new I didn't see there was new information on Tyler Beijing. Just like, but that'd be great if Tyler Beijing is the source saying that players want Tyler Beijing.
Via bears scoop. Alright, that's an awesome wrinkle though like it was just got to run with that regardless because that is. That's something. Well boys, be well, be well be Mary, and thank you for all coming into the Winkler verse.
