MmHmm/Mm-mm: Bucks offseason speculation, lack of stars in NBA Playoffs

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Paul Emmig, Grant Bills. I'm the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. The classic 5 a.m. drop. Although if you like listen to this later, you don't I mean, who cares?

Everything is out there forever. Uh Who cares?

Okay. I'm like digitizing all this stuff, and I'm like, should I put this one on? And then yet I'm on the internet five days a week. Anyway. Like, is there a need for a Bucks post-game from October to be on the fucking internet still?

No. But on the off chance someone watches it and I get ten cents. Yeah. Exactly.

So speaking of these old clips that you're putting out. Obviously, you do a great job being self-deprecating. And, you know, do you have a most embarrassing old clip that you've posted thus far? Or one that you're surprisingly actually proud of. Like, oh, that wasn't terrible.

And again, I'm saying this because I figured out the new technology. This is where I'll post it. I have a 60-second just. Clip, clip, clip, clip, clip. of me throughout college.

Mm. And you can see me get Slightly improved. But also you see my chin go from a triangle to a f circle. Yeah. So I can play it here.

Now, if you're on the podcast on audio, you'll want to get on the Dan Shaney YouTube. For this, you will still be able to hear the. Audio, of course, of me. This is me clips from college. Also, you want to call Dan Shaney and get your insurance switch.

Let's go. LFG for Dan Shaney. All right, so I've got it ready. Are you good to go? Bill.

Okay. Culpepper just let the game flow as he should have and Moss still ended up with nine catches for 83 yards but they seem to play more as a team instead of just a Culpepper to Moss. And I think college basketball should can the playoff and determine the national championship by bowl games, a basketball BCS. I also have a part-time job. I'm a Packer draft consultant and I've been doing that for the last three years.

I think I realized last night that I have become a bigger Brett Farr fan than I am a Green Bay Packer fan. All this talk about Tom Jackson not liking touchdown celebrations, Tom Jackson, you suck. As I say, everyone does. Once again, thank you. Taco Bell.

Second you just said that It's because of defense. Is the reason is that the big book 10 counts acquitted 90 minutes, sex cruise, 8 months of Facebook. When people hear the words UW lacrosse and athletic success, Usually the last thing that comes to mind is basketball.

So in all corniness, I thank you for all the memories. I know we'll keep in touch, but I'm just not ready to say goodbye to the best time of my life. What was that last one? You were right. Yeah.

He's never going to get better. Look at this chin. Can you get 15 pounds? Only on your chin? Like, did the freshman 15 just go only there?

Like, the rest of everything else stayed the same? I gained the freshman 15. But then my face also did.

So full I gained thirty. But You gain 30 for in from what period of time? Look at this. Oh my god. To that.

Wait, how many years apart is that? Four freshmen Senior Wow. Yeah. Grant knows that desk. Grant knows that backdrop.

So you would have been during that Obama interview you did, you must have been like twenty three. That was 2008, so 23, yep. Yeah, okay. God, the flood in 07 and the campaign and you had a run. I mean, I don't I don't want to say that that question was the worst question I've ever heard.

What, Obama? That was just a starter. I meant like it wasn't the question as much as it was the delivery of the question that I'm putting in doubt. Because I had him sign. The sheep.

That I have questions on. Yeah. Did you hear some of these questions? What in this country needs to be changed? I wrote down.

Yeah. People like your freshness, but likely be attacked on experience. Respond. No. Respond?

I mean, these are cl like, how do you respond to you know Mm-hmm. All right.

Well, there's a little trip down memory lane. That'll also be a tweet. For your enjoyment. And then I think that's it. I think that covers everything that I have that Uh needed to be shared.

Yeah. I still have other tapes. This is funny. I had a guy come out to Uh Spray our house for spiders today? Mm.

There is a spider dangling right in front of me. Yeah. Can you see it? Yeah, I see it. Really, I don't you see it, Graham?

Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness, I do see it. Yeah. It has begun. They're all going to fight for their lives.

I can tell it's radioactive too, so Get out of here. Bitch.

Alright, take it away. All right, we have to start Bucks, obviously.

Sorry, Grant.

So they play at 8:30 on Tuesday. Yeah, what the hell?

Okay, so I was gonna say, I wasn't going to ask it, but I suppose we can very quickly say, we're digging the 8:30 start. Bart is gonna say mm, because it means he has to watch the whole game while he's on the air.

Well, now, because they're kind of like dog shit. And it's probably going to be over. I get to talk about the Bucs tomorrow. Yeah, you do. That's not a good thing, though.

It's not going to be a fun chat about the box. What, Grant?

Well, precursor question before we get into whatever. You mentioned the 8:30 start time. That would allow me to get to the game on time after my show if I was interested. And I would have no interest. Unless This game represents Something significant.

This is maybe my no. No chance. Maybe, maybe. Wait, no chance? Wait, what are we hinting at?

What are we hinting at here? I think he's talking about Middleton.

Well, no, I was going for the whole thing. No, I'm not driving to Milwaukee to see Chris. I've seen enough of Chris Middleton. I don't need to see him in the flesh, but. Never say never?

So you're you're saying like end of an era. I'm saying, could this be?

Well, even if maybe he doesn't play, I don't think he's going to play. But I'm saying would this be the last opportunity to see Certain members of the team had fight. I'm going straight for Giannis, but Giannis isn't going to play. You think Giannis is getting traded? This is not.

I did not expect a rational person to make this question. Go ahead. This is obviously a hot take. I'm saying, should there be part of me? Should part of me feel like, maybe I need to go see this just in case it's the last chimp.

I don't believe that to be true. I'm just saying, would any of you, would either of you at least give that? A little, a little thought or no? No. Okay.

No. Well, there's zero chance that.

So, Giannis, here's the percentage rankings. Paul, I mean, why don't you ask your question?

So, I swear, this is my first topic, not that it takes, not that it's like, oh, how could we have been on such different terms? I mean, instead of talking about, instead of just having a normal conversation about the Bucs, let's keep it formal. Let's keep it formal. And have Paul ask the question.

So, my question is going to be. Presuming this series ends how it seems like it's going to in a Bucs loss. Run it back next year. Mm-hmm. Or I'll add some sauce to add some flavor to that and say, because we can just say, oh, injuries.

So like We don't know, Doc, you know, Doc Rivers and like, you know, Dame got hurt then, and Giannis wasn't there.

So, really, this is nothing because. Why wouldn't you run it back? Because this they didn't really didn't really get to see the bucks as they were. Put together, no, we never saw it in the playoffs. The Bucks currently are plus 1,000 to win this series, which means they have a 4.8% chance, and their odds have fallen to 80 to 1 to win the title.

The the title theme's far-fetched. Getting out of the first round I mean it I mean, Bart, you said they were going to go down 3-1 and then come back and win.

So, okay.

Well, okay, let me start with that. You don't actually. That was a joke.

Okay, so that was a joke.

Okay, I thought so, but would it be funny if Doc came back from 3-1? It'd be funny. He's not done that, right?

Well, he blows three ones. He's been come back. I don't think he has. I know Milwaukee never has. Yeah.

Okay. So, presuming the season ends in this first round at some point, whether it's game five, six, or seven. Because of the injuries, because of the mid-season coaching switch, because of all the other stuff. And this doesn't mean that every single bit player is back.

Okay, Jay Crowder can just retire now. But, like, for the most part, run it back. Mm-hmm or mm-mm.

So I will say mm-mm to that.

Okay. And I will say that Giannis is 100% returning.

Okay. Doc Rivers is at 100% returning. They can't pay four coaches, so. Damian Lillard is at ninety nine point eight. Oh.

Unless Unless Unless horse leaves. Oh. Chris Middleton is probably A coin flip? It depends. Like if horse leaves I think it gives Yeah, because I I I b I believe That you need to see a playoff series with Giannis and Dame as was intended.

Yeah, I think he did. Before you can make any other changes.

Now, The Bucs have been reactionary. They have the injury excuse, but yet they still keep making changes. Um That being said Me not watching the regular season much. There's a lot of people who were watching the regular season, and their feeling coming into the playoff was they're gonna, they're not gonna, like, this was not a title team anyway. I think you keep the core.

But you need to You need to remodel the rest of the house, man. You gotta, you like Andre Jackson Jr. Yeah, play a bigger role. Like, I know we do this with Beauchamp and all these guys all the time. Ajax and Bochamp are not the same.

I know, but there's always like a young guy. Of course, of course, of course, yes. But this is good, I think. I think Bo Champ, as of right now, is shit. No, it's too harsh.

Put that out and post him. He's done.

So here's how I would react. Hey Bart, Bobby Portis is gone.

Well probably for the best. Hey, Bart. Brooke Lopez is gone. Thank fucking Christ. Whoa!

Hey Bart. Uh, Pat Conneton is gone. I'm like, you're joking. That will never happen. Uh hey Bart.

Um Who's the other one? Chris Middleton is gone. It's sad. What what shit player did we get back for him? Like.

Torian Prince. DeAndre Hunter. Yeah. No move. Stop, Paul.

Or it's right. No, we would get we would get like Who would we get? Who would we get from the Hawks? Who's a good Hawks? You would get Bogdanovich and/or Hunter.

That's what you would get. We get Griffins, kid. No, you would not be able to get that. Why, he stinks. Oh, A.J.

Griffin? The Chris Middleton trade value chart is like. Who's your ninth best guy on your team? Can you rip off the Bill Simmons trade chart? Make the Bart Winkler trade chart, but it's only for players that could be acquired with a Chris Middleton trade.

Yeah. Exactly.

Okay, so the Knicks are doing this without Julius Randall. You could do like Middleton for Randall. I don't even know who would win that trade. I don't like Julius Randall. We're looking at like buddy heel territory, my friends.

No, I don't no, I don't think so. If we're going to lose in the playoffs, I at least want to like the guy.

Okay. Is that like you're not going to get anything back for him? No, you're not. I mean, but the point of all of that, the point of that exercise is simply Can you get younger, even if you're getting younger, but worse? Because you have the salary slots that you have.

You know, same, like, what was your reaction to Lopez? You said, if we get rid of Lopez, thank goodness. Like, I'm tired of watching that shit. I mean, Grant told us like five days ago on this pod how he's just blessed to watch Brooke Lopez play basketball. I love Brooke.

I love Brooke. He makes me laugh at least once a game because it's like, how does this large man? Move. like a ballerina. Like he just does things that are funny.

And he's rather see do you want them to go like All right, Giannis and Dame, and then build like a good team, like the Nuggets version, where they got all these guys that are built around Jokic a little bit. Or do you want him to go fucking nuts and try to get KD or some shit? Mm. I mean, if K D and Booker Are swept in the first round. Booker wants to play New York, I guess.

Stephen A. says so. It just it c Phoenix kind of feels like Somebody's leaving. And Nobody wants to be left them left there by themselves. You know what I mean?

Like with all the rumors? Do you have a we could say that we could say that? Yeah, save that one. But so, so Bark answered it and answered multiple questions within the question. But grant, presumably, the Bucks, if they're if and when they're eliminated by the Pacers.

by and large because of the injuries and whatever else you want at the mid-year coaching change Run it back. Or I'm saying, what not? I'm saying, what would you do? Not what do you think will happen. What would Grant Bills, what would GM, President of Basketball Ops, Grant Bills, do?

You'd run it back. Or I wouldn't have a problem bringing back. Yannis Chris Dame. I'd be cool with that. Um, Brooke might have to be the one to go.

To get, and I agree, you're probably going to get worse. But if you get younger and only slightly worse, getting younger might overcome. Or it might compensate for getting worse. A lot of the pacers. Destruction of the boxes.

They are just faster. They can run. Nismik and Mhard. I mean, they're just like. Even like these You know, fourth, fifth starters on their roster.

Um, yeah. Yeah, so I would be fine retooling. Doc's fine. Doc is fine. He's bud.

Now I kind of miss I kind of miss Bud's weirdness. Like, if we're gonna have a coach who's fine, like, if that's the guy, I Like, we're already paying Bud. Could we just pay him to coach and then pay Doc to go away and financially keep everything the same? Could we do that? I don't know how this works.

Do you think Doc? We're going to trade Middleton for Zach Collins and Devontae Graham. That's it. That's I that sounds like a trade package that would That sounds like that could happen. But you don't do that, but that's it, but you don't do that.

So, like, at the start of this season. at way back in October. My thing, and this was before Jalen Green had sort of a breakout season with the Rockets, but it was like, okay, the Rockets, they're trying. They signed Van Vlied and they signed. Geez, who's the former Grizzly whose name is slipping my mind right now?

The head case. They tried to sign Brooke. Dillian Brooks. Dillian? Yeah.

Yeah, something like that, Dylan Brooks. Like, they're trying to. And they almost they almost caught up to the Warriors. My thought at the time was Jalen Green had yet to have, he had yet to come out of his shell, but it's like, You try to find, I think, an underperforming Young player who might always underperform and/or might turn a corner at some point and then take back a crappy contract with it because Middleton makes a good chunk of change. You can't get a rookie salary player to match salaries with Middleton.

So you'd say, okay, like, who's this underperforming young guy? And then give me your shittiest contract.

Now we have a deal. Like, that's. That's what I would shoot for. I don't even know if that's realistic, but. No, I don't know that anyone.

I don't.

So, who's a team that, like, Who's a team that you can think is a Chris Middleton away?

Okay. Or a team that wants to take a jump. And I think that's why I thought the Rockets were interesting. And they did take a jump, right? Like, it's a team that doesn't think they're ready to win a title.

They're not a Middleton away from a title, but they're a Middleton away from being one of the two worst teams in the league to being a play-in contender. You got to find a team that's so down bad that they're willing to take a trade they know about losing just to like the Kings was about to Chris Middleton has been traded To the Brooklyn Nets for Deron Sharp. And Ben Simmons. No. Why?

I would do that. Why? Gary, we're the big show asking. Who you got between Giannis and Simmons? Gary Ellerson says Simmons.

Should I retweet that right now? Yeah, you probably should.

Okay. So you could do like Okay, you brought up the Kings. Like, you could do Harrison Barnes, Harrison Barnes expiring. You know, like, would you would you want Davion Mitchell as the key piece back? You know, like, would you do Davion Mitchell and Expired?

I even think we're shooting, like, I even think that that's shooting too high for what you're doing.

Okay, how about like Keon Ellis? Stop. No, Davian. That's shooting too high. Keon Ellis isn't shooting too high.

No, you need a guy like Here, I got a trade for you. Yeah. Yeah. I got a real good trade. Oh, boy.

Oh, yeah. You're going to like this one. Chris Middleton's been traded for. Kyle Kuzma and Johnny Davis. Oh, mm-hmm.

And Johnny Davis is, you know, but Kuzma. You're Jordan Poole. Oh my god, no. All right, the trade is Jordan Poole and Johnny Davis. How about this?

Yeah. I'd do it. I'd do it. Say that one again. Ah!

Jordan Poole and Johnny Davis. No, you do not want to. Just bring everybody back home, baby. I've been wearing this shirt for four days straight. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

What if what if that has to do with Absolutely. Oh, I got a whiff. I got a whiff of myself. Hey, what if the Cavs lose this series or lose the next round, whatever the case would be? And like, all right, Mobly's our center.

We don't need Jarrett Allen. and Mobly. We're going to start Mobley at the five. We need a wing. Max Struce is fine.

Middleton for Jared Allen, and then you can repackage Brooke for something else. I don't know, something like this. Jared Allen. James Struce looks like a guy that. You're like you see in a movie and you're like What is that guy in?

Euphoria. He's in something, some some show like that.

Some angsty high school. He was in an episode of The West Wing 20 years ago. You guys doing Middleton for Jared Allen and Dean Wade? I will. Dean Wade.

Yeah. That sounds like a guy who... lost his Re-election for Congress. It's D-Wade, baby. Hi, I'm out here stumping for Dean Wade.

You dangled Johnny Davis.

Now that's all I can think about. Apparently, the Magic really want Clay Thompson. Do they also really want Chris Middleton? Mm-hmm. Magic could be interesting.

You want Cole Anthony and Yeah. Uh Geez, I don't even know. Are they going to win that series?

Well, I mean, they're going to be. What draft was Jonathan Isaac in? Did the Bucs pass on him? I remember doing landscaping for a neighbor for like 30 bucks cash in high school, listening to Bill break down prospects with a guest. I don't remember who it was, but the prospects were like, oh, Jonathan Isaac, Florida State.

That could be an interesting option for the Bucs. What if we traded Middleton? and got McCollum to pair back up with Dame. Puke. Yeah, no.

2017 NBA draft? Right around there. Anyone on the Hornets, Paul? The Hornets are a team like the Kings. They're so down bad that they just need to.

Make the playoffs. No, let's send him back to Detroit.

Okay. They don't have contracts. Yeah, so like the hornets would be like Bagley Rant Williams. And he's on the pistons now. No, we're doing the Hornets still.

Okay. Oh, oh, Hornets first, then we'll do the Pistons. Great. Hornets don't have contracts. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.

You'd have to do. It'd have to be Berton's, Grant Williams, and. Hody Martin. Yeah, there's nothing there. There's nothing there.

There's nothing here. Just tell fans it's Caleb Martin. If you just told me it was Caleb, and I wouldn't even have to know, I think I'd like it. I think I'd be happy. Kind of shoving it down the Celtics throughout the last couple of years.

I went to a Bucks game, and my buddy had gone to Pado beforehand, and he bet. He bet Cody Martin props because he thought it was Caleb Martin, and then Cody Martin had like three points.

Okay. Funny you mentioned, funny you mentioned Jared Allen. They just could have drafted him in 17, but instead, four picks prior, they took a forward from Michigan. Do you remember who, Paul? Oh my god, DJ Wilson fan club.

Yeah, they also could have had late night draft. Kuzma went after DJ Wilson. I remember that. People forget about Caleb Swane. Derek White went not far up.

Josh Harden, too. God, they suck at drafting. If they just didn't hit one of these picks over the last eight years, let me ask you this: do you think the Pistons? I mean, the Pistons should consider everything. But Could you get Jaden Ivey plus bullshit contract?

For Middleton. You couldn't, right? Is G Naive even good?

So I'm looking at, like, no, he's like, if you care about PER and like that, by the way, the Kings got shit for taking Keegan Keenan Murray before him. Yeah, Keegan Murray. But like, the, but that's the same thing with Jalen Green. Jalen Green had had like the most lackluster start to a career. He's a shooting guard, point guard, like kind of combo guard guy.

Big stats bad team guy at the beginning, yeah. Yeah, but like empathy stats, you know?

So it's like, I don't really get good stats, bad team guy. Oh, right.

So if you can get like a young. Completely has not yet hit, might never hit. Again, that's your point, Grant. Like, do you take two steps back to get younger? Because Really all that matters is that you have Okay, we've gone really deep in the middle part of this.

So What? Yeah. Yeah, Tim's going to cut most of this out in post. You know what, though? This is my favorite type of stuff where we just kind of throw shit against the wall unplanned.

I think that's fun. But I think that's what you would. I think you would have to target a team that's so down bad that they are willing to do a short-sighted trade like the Kings did, like the Bucks.

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Yeah. When Pacer fans are like, well, what do you want us to do? You can like you're up three once celebrate Celebrate big shots at the end of games and shit. Halliburton is hulking out after a layup to go up 1210. That's what that's what I'm calling out.

You know what? We should have and Presumably, we're not going to get to do it this year anymore, but we should put odds next time we can do this on the player from an opposing team that the Bucks are about to play in the playoffs. Odds of who you will leave that series hating.

Okay, who would it be for the Knicks? Dante? No, it'd be Josh Hart or some shit. No, it'd be McBride. Cool.

But you know what though? Brunson, who's awesome. He is a foul hunter. You know, he's kind of like an annoying, kind of pesty. And that's, you know, credit.

He's got a little Trey Young in there. Just a little Trey Young. He hunts fowls. He would get, I mean, he would annoy you. But he's never, but Brunson like never hulks out.

So you wouldn't you'd almost kind of get like that like. Call what is hulking out? I wouldn't have used it. GOOOOOOO And he's right. I mean, Halliburton does that after every show.

It's ridiculous. Halliburton would have been minus 7,000 odds for this series.

Well, we knew coming in. Neesmith, you know what? Neesmith would piss me off if he wasn't the exact player I wish the Bucs had. You don't even have to be that good, just be young and strong and. Don't be made of glass and like occasionally hit a three.

Like, if they had one of the, if you could combine, if you could melt down. Pat And Jay and Beasley. And combine them into one player, you could maybe get like 90% of Aaron Neesmith, who still isn't that good, but God, I would kill to have Aaron Neesmith on the bucks.

Well, Bart, here's a me too. Bart, here's a good question for you specifically. Pick one of these two, Middleton for Wiggins or Middleton for Draymond. They're not trading Dreamland. Are you di If I was a Warriors fan, I would be like, get him the fuck out of here.

No, they're going down with the ship. They can go down with the Steph ship. I don't want to go down with the Draymond ship. I don't think they're trading anybody. They might even re-sign Chris Paul.

Nah, I mean if it's like Vet Min. Should we sign Chris Paul? 414. Then it'd then be like...

Well, we're not winning this year. It'd be a lot more easy to fucking relax. I did I mean there's there's a lot of like You guys are Bart, you especially, but I think Grant, you guys are both. Two down, two to go. Two down, two to go.

And also I saw the one that said. Chris Paul finally figured out how to beat the Warriors. Yeah. How do we eliminate the Warriors? All the Middleton stuff aside, which really wasn't the question whatsoever.

Run it back. To me, it means. I tell my brother right after the game ended.

Sorry. Clay better learn Chinese. What? I heard you on Gelb, and I heard you instantly regret sharing that story. Yeah.

Um I think run it back would mean I think you have to run back Damon Giannis.

Okay. You didn't see it. Like, you have to. If you don't do it, What is the? It's so stupid.

If they move off Dane, I'm going to be furious.

Okay, so, okay, you know what? Oh, God. I should not ask this. Ask it. And it's not some cause fallacy or any of that either.

No, it's not. You haven't seen it. You didn't see it. You did not see it. I don't like, no, they were together for 50 games the regular season.

irrelevant. If he got traded today, his best game would have been game one, first half, and then the all-star game. All right.

Thanks for playing. All right.

Disclaimer. I wasn't planning to ask this. I'm going to regret asking this. No, I'm going to just don't wave that. This needs to be disclaimed.

Is that? Are there Godfather offers for either guy? That would have you completely re-evaluate the window. Like, we don't have to, if you want, we can go down trade packages, but like, I might so I'm gonna say, you run it back with Dame Yannis dock. Everything else, and please, for God's sake, I should have gone in harder last week on Bobby.

I wanted to say a lot more. I told you guys last week. Oh, you were going hard on Middleton, you jerk. Yeah. I said like I'm just done with inefficient Bobby.

I'm just done with Bobby. But, like, so I'm gonna say right back, but. But, but. If you got Godfather Giannis offers, Godfather Dame offers, which completely would, you know, your next, let's say, clearly, whatever you would do in those trades, you'd be. Taking a two-year window gap, but you might then be able to avoid.

Like, okay, this son's situation, and I do have a sons question, but, or a sons-bucks comparison question. Is do you even do you even listen? Do we even listen? Let's, you know, do you even listen? Or is it like, no, we're not looking into that.

Thanks for calling. They would need to include either Wemby or Anthony Edwards. Which of course they were not generally.

So there's nothing to talk about. I need a superstar in waiting. In order to get rid of that.

Okay, let's just be stupid. Um. The Thunder are like you get Jalen Williams and a contract filler. Young Jalen. Oh, you love those Thunder players.

Love them. You just love them, Paula Mig. How could you not just love those Thunder players? What if it was for Tyrese Halliburton and Miles Turner? Mm-mm.

I'm not trading Giannis. I would rather the Bucks trade cities they. Play him. That was Seattle.

So, no, you're getting on the phone. All right, so run it back. I'm gonna say To like the chorus of the core, and then everything else I. Brooke, I would listen. Chris, I would listen.

Bobby, I would shop. You know, like. I think the roster is pretty stinky, and it's really. I got a question for you. Yeah.

What is the incentive of playing any of these guys? Like, why play Giannis next year in the regular season? Honestly, I don't know. Because they're forced to? No, because he got hurt and now he can't play.

It's stupid. I told you guys last night. Doc. Why were what were we doing? Why were we playing these guys?

He kept saying, and you know, Doc is an interesting media quote. I'm sure Eric Name is enjoying. Like All the gold that he gets from Doc, but there's. He had said like oh like Even before the injury, he's okay. I checked with the medical staff.

They said, no, it's pretty much good to go. You The NBA put this 65-game rule in place because I think the writing was, well, it clearly was on the wall, but it's going to be further on the wall. It's like the only thing that you can do in the regular season, if you're a true, like, contender-ish team, is screw up your playoff chances by playing your stars too much and getting them hurt. That's it. You you know what I mean?

Like it's Like Kawhi played a bunch of regular season games this year. Why? Why? What did you prove? Who were you trying to prove to?

Like, and now you missed half the first four playoff games. Happened to be the two that you won. But, like, Clearly, the Clippers are better with Kawhi. That's an obvious statement, but. Ugh.

Yeah, I'm right.

So so let me ask you this question. This was what I had last week that I didn't ask you. It's perfectly honest. Essentially, it was like, I vow to give no shits about the regular season next year. I already didn't give a shit about this year.

I didn't either. Yeah. I think I watched three games that Doc coached. Yeah. Yeah.

The only thing that happened of significance during Doc's tenure. In the second half of the regulars, the only thing that happened of significance. Is that Giannis got hurt? Yeah. In terms of like their actual postseason odds.

That's all that happened. All right, so um Okay, that was fun. The team with the brighter future. Bucks or sons. What are you doing?

I was trying to share Chuck's. How do you know how to do this? I just, this is what, this is what I thought of when you're like, why should we care at all about the regular season? And this is the tweet that I, this was the best tweet I've seen in. In weeks.

Oh, the Bucs tweeted what happened in 82 games. Nobody really cares. And Freem said. Great marketing plan for season tickets. Season tickets are the worst investment.

For basketball, I agree. I don't know. What is the point? Even, even game five, I got an offer. The bucks because I don't know if they do this for all their things, but I sign my kid up for the kids' club and they're like, hey, $30 tickets.

And uh $10 voucher for food. They're going Schlesinger's cat on us. Yeah. That's the fi that's the funniest thing you've said in weeks. I don't even give a shit.

That's that's you don't get that on the national show. Did you plan that or was that spur of the moment? I think I've said Schlesinger's cat before. I've used that in the parking lot. I've used Schlesinger's Paradox.

Ah. I I got a Snapchat memory from a buddy the other day. Six years ago, a couple of days ago, we went to game six against the Raptors at the Bradley Center for $37. It was an elimination game in the playoffs. We got tickets for $37 a piece.

And I printed them off on paper because this was before, you know, everything was soap, or maybe, I don't know. And it's crazy to think how far we come.

Now you can't go see a regular season game against the heat, second level, for less than 80 bucks. I know, because I checked last year, and guys don't play, and the team's not any good, and the product sucks. It's not a good product in the regular season. I don't know what the point is, I don't know what they're going to do. The Schlesinger paradox is.

When you Want I don't remember. I can't find the tweet. It's something about parking, obviously. Yeah. I love driving.

I drive by that stadium to go to work. on non game days and it's just like it's like driving through a fucking desert. I'm the caller who always says you'll find Mad Max out there if you drive around long enough out in the middle. I mean, seriously. It's so big.

Why does it bother everyone? That's where the baseball games happen. Because it's just a bunch of concrete. The whole city's a bunch of concrete. Roads are made of foundations, sidewalks, parking lots.

Yeah, but cities need to go upward. I'm a urban planner. I love urbanists. They're like. They're like, hey, we should take down 794.

And then people are like, Yeah, that'd be cool and they're like Oh, okay. Uh, let's rip out 43. Let's t let's let's let's move the hospital downtown. Move everything downtown. Why not?

Move it all downtown. Yeah. I don't know, the the Bears Announced their like stadium plans, you know, to build that new publicly funded thing in Chicago, right by Soldier Field. And all the comments I went in there were Brewers' Twitter accounts trolling the bears by asking where the parking is. But where will we park?

Yeah. But where will we park? Telemetry is not even that fun. Tailgating's pretty fun. Not if you have to set it up.

True. It was a lot of work putting that tailgate together.

Well, yeah, but that's normally you go. I was saying, like, when. And I'm like. Tick tock, tick tac. I'm like, yeah, this year's game.

Yeah, I normally go with like three or four guys. You can't tailgate with dozens of people. That's too much. That's ridiculous. Got to be like two or three close buddies.

You don't need plates. You realize when it's just a bunch of guys who are just there to have a good time, you realize, really, you don't need very much in a tailgate. Just some utensils, buns, maybe, but you can just fork a dog off the grill. You need a bake of chips because the guy on the grill is taking too fucking. That's true.

Yeah. That's a good take. Paul You want to talk suns now? I just want to know: brighter future between the bucks or suns.

So, if you had to put your futures on one of those two teams. The bucks are positioned better for future success than the Sons? Mmhmm or Mm? Mm-hmm. Well, what is like how How are we going to remember Kd?

I'm not gonna explain to my kid or like generations from now. Dad, what was Kevin Durant? I don't go.

Well, he uh He was really good, and then he was on a team that blew the lead so he joined the team that beat him Because he wanted to win, because it was a ring's culture, and then he won, and everyone's like mad at him for cheating.

So then he went somewhere else and then. rebuilt a super team, but built one and didn't join one. And then his foot was on the line, I guess. And then he went to Phoenix to like do it again, only in an acceptable way. And then he joined uh LeBron in Milwaukee.

Yeah. Nice Norm McDonald there. That's good. I like who is the account? Did you show me that?

Or they're like, The Nuggets should draft Bronnie and not get LeBron. That shit made me laugh so much. Just draft his son and then not accept him onto the roster.

Well, the Sons, I mean, the Sons just think about this very logically. They're in the West, which is. You have to contend with the Nuggets, who are very good. I think the Thunder are good and only getting better. Same with the Wolves.

Mm-hmm. But the bucks are If if the Bucks are old, the Suns are really old. Right. And I you know, I saw Shep On Twitter, posting some rant about Kevin Durant, you know, people disrespecting him and casting him off. I don't think anyone's saying that Kevin Durant is cooked.

I think people are saying, hmm. He might not be a top five player anymore. He might be a top 15 player, top 12 player, which is fine. Like, that's there's nothing shameful about that. But the way that Phoenix built around him kind of necessitates that he's a top five guy, and he's not.

And I the Bradley Beal thing I If I was in Minnesota, I would put chairs out. Wow. I think they're winning. I think they're beating Denver. Wow.

I mean, Uh yeah. This is just a quick one. I mean, so I'm going to say bucks compared to Sun's, but neither. Like because like the Bucks have the injury excuse. Right?

Like w the son's best excuse is gonna have to be like well Frank Vogel wasn't good. That wasn't that. They got a defensive head coach to coach a team that was only offensive players. That was weird. It was awful.

Yeah. I I also I don't know how this offseason is going to go for the Suns, but I feel like all three of those guys, Booker, probably least of all, but then there again, there are rumors about Booker wanting to leave. I feel like they're all Having a Mexican, not Mexican, they're having a Hispanic standoff, let's say in 2024, and they're waiting for like somebody to move. And it it just seems like no one wants to be the guy left in Phoenix holding the bag. With a franchise with no picks and no, you know what I mean?

Yeah, they have nothing, they have like they have no wiggle room. Their wiggle room is that you get a kind of like the dame package, right? Where you're like, all right, we're gonna, or like. Dame has a ton of value. Booker has a ton of value.

I think Booker does. I like Booker. Why was he not better in this series? He's bad in the playoffs. I don't I don't think Booker's I don't like 'em.

I mean, he's, I think he's a dog. I mean, he's good, he's good, but if I get, if I was a GM. I would never try to get him on my team, ever. Middleton and Lopez for Booker. Oh, and a heartbeat.

I mean, of course. Of course, right? That's why I was proving your point. Um Alright, I'm gonna read you I'm gonna read you. A list of guys that And We are discussing this before Monday Night's Games.

But May 1st is on Wednesday. And so I'm going to read you a list of guys. who NBA Stars who are not going to be playing. in May.

Okay. Yannis, Dame, M. Bede Maxi Jimmy Butler. Trey Young, et cetera, et cetera. LeBron, A.D., Kevin Durant.

Devin Booker Zion. Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, Draymond Green. Like, my point being, a ton of the most marketable, reputable. Players Or not gonna be playing Anything, like, you know, like they're going to be out really early, or they didn't even make the playoffs. My question for you is: this is a good thing for the NBA.

Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.

Well, um Interesting. It won't be looked at that way. Thank you. Good question. Good topic.

I mean, the Nuggets Timberwolves series is going to be amazing. Yeah. God. You know, there's just there's like There's like, we're in the, we're sports fans. Yeah, right.

And then there's this like whole peripheral of people. I guess the way that we watched women's basketball this year. Sure.

So we'll get into it if So there's a bunch of people, like the Olympics. Like, you don't watch these other sports.

So there are a bunch of people. That the way we watch Caitlin Clark, they watch. LeBron and Steph? Where they're like, yeah, bayball, I don't have time for it. But if LeBron's playing against Steph, I will watch that.

Mm-hmm. That's crazy. That's why I wanted to see Warriors, Lakers, and the play-in because I wanted to see how huge those ratings would be simply because, okay, it's a 9-10 matchup, but it's Steph and it's LeBron. I think the Spurs Their finals were rated so low because their jerseys are boring. I I stick with that take.

It's not I don't think it's a bad one. I mean, Spurs Pistons. And then Pelicans is like too colorful and exotic. Yeah. You need teams like The Celtics and the Nicks.

and the Lakers. And the Warriors used to be one of these exotic teams, and then they became a brand. Hmm? Basically If you're not a top five market population size, I don't care about your athletes and your teams. See, but you're joking, and that's true.

You, of course, care. We all care. But I do think. Yeah, it There's people that don't know anything about anything, like middle of the country or wherever, and it's like. Will you watch this game?

No, it's the Timberwolves versus the Nuggets. Totally. Anthony Edwards, Nicole Jokic, Murray. I didn't watch the NBA Finals last year for that reason, and I watched Sports for a Job. And I'm like, Nuggets, Heat.

Fuck that. Yeah, but if that Nuggets team was the Lakers and that Heat team was the Knicks, you would watch it. Oh, of course I would. Yeah. It ma because it has to feel big.

It has to feel big. And I think feeling big takes time. It takes time to build yourself up. And I think the wolves. The fact that they played the Nuggets last year, they've been in the playoffs before.

It's not like they've arrived completely out of nowhere. Ants had a lot of big highlights this year. He's a funny quote. Yeah. I think that this is, yeah, this is probably.

What's the lowest? Possible rated NBA Finals. Of what was remaining? What were Thunder versus the winner of Cavs magic? Oh, geez.

I mean, if it's Thunder Cavs, you might as well just. Deflate the basketballs. I mean, clearly the NBA wants the Knicks or the Celtics. Oh, Nick's nuggets would be good. Yeah, but see even like We don't have to do this.

We don't. Here's Milwaukee folks again. The league wants this. The creature wants this. He's literally doing TV rights right now.

They do. I mean, the point is: so, so, here's the question: so, the show. If it was that type of final, just like how WWE finally got good when they were ready to sell to Netflix. With Steph And LeBron and Presumably, like Giannis and all the names I mentioned. You're probably gonna have some short-term ratings pain.

Right? Because short term. Yes, short-term ratings pain. But to Bart's point, if you're in the middle of negotiating a rights deal, You don't want the Warriors and the Lakers and the Bucks and the Celtics and the Knicks and the like. But nobody looks at short.

Everybody wants short-term, short-term microwave. Totally. Fast food. But like Michael Pennix Jr. pick is going to go down as a top five NFL pick ever.

He will win them a Super Bowl and it will be fucking great. Oh, if he does, I'm going to be either way. The process, even if Pennex Jr. isn't good and it wasn't a good pick, I still think the process to making it was the right process. Did you hear me yell at a caller about it the other night?

I did. He's a good caller. The guy that I'm... No, I was screaming at him though. But it was a healthy, like productive, like, it was, I enjoyed it.

I forget which guy that was, but it's one of your good calls. It's one of your really good calls. It was Robert in Annapolis, the guy who asked if. Yeah, I remember he said, My son-in-law is a Falcons fan, and he said it's bad. He said, Well, he's wrong.

And you're like, No. And he's like, No, you're wrong. Yeah, he was wrong. He was wrong. I mean, he's wrong about, I don't know anything about Pennix Jr.

as a player yet. But like the process is correct. I told you guys in this podcast, if I had one chance to be a GM, and a lot of guys, if they get a chance ever in their life, get one chance. I am following the Packers model. This is not hard to figure out.

This is the right process. I don't know if you got the player right. But you follow the right process. Like, it's crazy that people realize that.

So, like, Rogers went down and they didn't have a quarterback. And people are like, that's just what it's like. That doesn't have to be. Right, right. Yeah.

We get it. This is a but but but when they were ready to take over, he's going to be 26 years old. Yeah. What do you want? He'll be just entering his athletic prime, according to Bill Simmons, at least.

Except for Tatum, who's obviously just getting started at age 26. Yeah, it's unfair to judge Tatum about anything historically because he's still. I mean, he's just, I mean, he's basically younger than his kids. He's a widow baby. You're going to be surprised about this, but I have Tatum coming up as part of a broader question.

So let's finish up this one and just say. Is it good for the NBA that this some of their most prominent High ratings, high jersey sales players are out of the playoffs. In the very, very, very short term, probably But it gives you more exposure for Anthony Edwards, for SGA, so that these guys who are currently 22, 24 years old, who are going to be. Playing a long May, maybe June playoff run are front and center.

So I do think that, you know, so for me as a Hoops fan, like, please give me something new, but. If I was running the league, I'd be like, oh, I sure wish some of my big time players. What you need is the Knicks because then what you're going to have is all of these morning shows, GMAs, the Todays. You'll get hold of copy wearing a fucking Brunson jersey and shit. You're gonna you're gonna That's how you, that's what you need.

It seems like Brad might be just disagreeing with something here.

Well, no, no, no, no, real quickly about the West, I think Nuggets Wolves will be the series of the playoffs. And I think a lot of hardcore basketball fans are psyched for it. And I think. Once we get a game or two into the series. The masses will rally around it as much as they can.

I like Bart and I are both saying no to that. I mean, they should, they should, but it takes years. It usually takes years. You got to give people more credit, Paul. That's what I mean.

People don't deserve any credit. People are just too much to kit and Clark like one year. They're not. Consumers are smart. I enjoy the Knicks.

A couple months ago, they were like, The Knicks, this isn't a title team. Why do we treat them that? You know what? They're fun. And my Bucks aren't fun at all.

They're very few fun teams. No, a lot of fan base, a lot of fans aren't having fun in this postseason. And you know what? The Knicks, goddamn it, they're fun. And they're having fun, and their fans are having fun.

So I'm having fun too. By the way, Minos are a big national brand, but it's not like they're stacking titles every year. They're as much of a winner historically as the Bucks. When's the last time they were in the finals? 99?

I don't know. I mean, sure, it's the stark Ewing era. Yeah, it was the 50-game season. Oh, wow. Interesting.

My take was always that the Knicks are not going to win a playoff series if Julius Randall is their best player. And not only are they going to win a playoff series, It's not because of, but I think they're.

Okay. Oh, let me ask you this. Game four. This was, I wasn't planning to go here. But game four, Bucks Pacers.

Was fun to watch as a Bucs fan. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No, it is more fun when you have no expectations. It's and because you could tell, and Doc commented afterward, like.

He like it's The way that they were playing, they couldn't stop from giving up, like. Warm-up line layups, but like it's fun kind of watch, and you could tell like Doc was like coaching. Pass the ball the way it's meant to be, Paul. Coach coaching, players playing, hustling up and down the court. Yeah.

It was oddly and fun to watch, but I will say when Middleton got hurt, but then miraculously somehow came back like two minutes later, and when he got hurt, I don't know if I'm proud of this or not, but like, I gave one of those laughs, like, Oh my, what else can you, like, what other pile of shit can you toss onto this pile of already?

So it was kind of like, oh, he came back. I was like, oh, good, he's back, but also. What would that have looked like? You know, if it's like even Middleton's not available. I thought there was an injury, like, you know, it sucks that they lost, but like, as a.

Basketball viewer, I was like, that was an interesting thing. Like, that was that all the time when you don't have expectation. I mean Would would we look back at the Packers and like Rodgers if We're gonna get because we're getting into that now with Giannis, where it's like Instead of being happy we had one, we're going to be like, we only got one because every other year they were in contention. Yeah. If they were like actually shitty.

I don't know Raptors. Like, if they fell off a cliff. Right after winning the title. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, like yes.

I don't know. I it's really not fun to root for a team that Don't need the regular season. Like, how much fun was it being a Suns fan this year from afar? You're like, oh my God, what a brutal experience. I brought this up.

A week, Bart, your co-worker. Thunder had a fun year. The Tucker Wolves had a fun year. This is what I said. This was prompted by a Spike Eskin tweet, your comrade at the Infinity, the Sports Infinity Network.

He was tweeting about this. There's like three teams that are having fun. Just you know, you did say that wrong. I did intentionally say it wrong. No one's having fun.

No one's having fun because the teams at the top, Celtics fans, aren't having fun. This is expected. Right. Yeah. Nuggets fans.

Or you lose that one game to the heat and you're like, oh my God, what a waste of time. Such a terrible dude, like, whatever. Nuggets fans probably had fun. They're probably having fun beating the Lakers' skulls in, but that's because it's funny, not because winning a first-round series brings them any joy. Wolves fans are having fun.

Thunder fans are having fun. Knicks fans are having fun. I agree. Everyone else in this postseason is miserable. This is not a time of year where most fans get to have fun.

That's not how this is designed. The pages are having fun. The fun part. The Pacers aren't going to win anything, though. That's not real fun.

The fun part about the Pacers and how. Much they're enjoying this ride is they are like. Three buddies on a road trip in a car just having the time of their life, and they don't see what's ahead of them. But we're like in the plane looking down and see that they're gonna drive off a cliff and all Blow up and die. And these guys are having the time of their life, and they're like, they're not seeing the forest from the trees.

We all know how the story ends for them. And they they don't. They are just so near-sighted, but we all know that they're going to get their ass kicked by the Knicks. And it won't be funny.

Well, and what I told I have a buddy who's a Wolves fan and He's not like a hardcore sports fan, though. Like, he's just very far away. I'm not like lecturing my wolves buddy who's having fun. I'm like, well, actually, I would never be that guy.

So, get, don't, I didn't mean to give that impression, but like. Fast forward a year from now. If the Wolves come up short this year, if the Wolves lose to the Nuggets in the second round. Fast forward a year, and they're down in the second round to the thunder of the wolves. Fun's over.

Because now you're on the clock with your superstar. Why haven't you gotten over the hump? Right? How many times are you going to come up short before something has to change? Like, the stretch of time where you have fun as a fan of a contending NBA team is so small.

It's like trying to catch smoke. As soon as you think you have it, it's gone. It sucks. It's not a fun sport always to cheer for. If you're the 20.

18 bucks who won like Eight of their first nine or something to start the season. And I was going to a lot of games at the time. And it was it was like, oh my god, like this is real. Like they're I I think the Bucks are good, you know, and as a lifelong Bucks, like, that was so fun because you start, your expectations start to change, but not in a way of like, but almost like, Oh my goodness, like this is a real thing. This is nuts.

I never would have expected this. This is. Every, oh, they lost. Oh, that's okay. I mean, this is still 12 and three, but now it's like.

Fast forward six years and you're like Okay, they're old.

Okay, like our expectations were high. We're on our third coach in 12 months. Like, you know, well, that's I mean, that's next level. That this year's been next level shit. This most contending teams don't progress through this.

Suns are dealing with some things, but imagine if the suns like had three different coaches this year and like Beale and Durant missed time. I don't know. That playoff game that I was referencing, game six against the Raptors in 16, 17, I had a blast. They lost. They lost their season ended that night, but they were down 24 and a half, and they came back.

Jason Terry hit a couple shots and was running around like this. And then we left the Bradley Center. We were all chanting Bucks in nine in the concourse. Like, there's just something about being a fan of a loser. And I maybe that's why I like being a Brewer fan so much.

I take a weird sick sense of pride in cheering for those. When the 2018 happened, and you realized. They're never going to win. They will never. Let's make it very clear.

It's it's just been such a breeze. Oh, we're in the playoffs. Ah, we got beat. Fuck. This, I can go into the season saying, this will be the worst year yet, and I can't, and I can't wait.

Imagine being able to walk into a season like that. Bruce fans can. Imagine having a fan base that has literally no requirement or expectation of you, and then leaving that job to go to their rival. What a dick.

So what's our what's our final conclusion of This being good or bad for the NBA, that some of their most prominent superstars are not going to be playing May 1st and after. I think it will be good. I'll go on the record and say that I think it'll be good. And I think. Nuggets, wolves, will be a bigger deal than you guys.

I think you should give. The people at large some credit. I think it'll be bigger and more enjoyable for more folks than you guys are predicting.

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Probably. You're too young to be drinking a diet Coke, I'll tell you that. What's wrong with the Diet Coke? That's an old man's game. See, but here's the thing.

I had a buddy text me. He texted me. He's like, since when do you drink Diet Coke? I'm stunned, actually.

Somebody I used to be roommates with. Text me since since when? No, it was a dew. It was like two weeks ago, and I was drinking a diet dew. He's like, Since when do you drink Mountain Dew?

I said, Well, I always get really sleepy when we do this because I'm sitting here, and for a long portion of the pod, I'm listening or I'm quiet, and it's the middle of the afternoon, and I get tired. And it's four o'clock, I do my show.

So these are a dollar. That's a good, that's a good for someone with a shitload of change cans. Cans are a dollar now?

Well, in the vending machine, it works. Oh. Oh, so just a little of 95 cents. Like a dollar is a bridge too far. The Red Bulls are $4.

That many quarters? I guess it takes cards, but. Jesus Christ. That's the Diet Coke is not for me. It's for the podcast.

That's why I had 12 packs for 10 bucks now. You're not even getting a deal if you buy a 12-pack. This is not the Dave Ramsey show. I don't need that. Although, last week.

Do you have one more? Do you have one more? Yeah, they do. But Bart, what's your final conclusion? I'm good for the NBA that all these superstars, traditional, older superstars, are out?

If they had a more patient, less reactionary commissioner, it could be wonderful. Mm. Interesting. But they don't. No, they have an emotional freakazoid.

I think if any of these have national appeal, by the way, I think it's probably that one. This is a new era. I mean, it's not entirely like Jokic is still there. Like, there's not, there's some carryover. Yeah, as soon as the Lakers lose, I'll do it.

Good one. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to add that to my rundown. By the way, by the way, this came up on Bill's show earlier today, but you know how you get older?

Sometimes your political leanings change as you get a better sense of the way the world works, right? As I get older, you know who I just. I really like it. It's like this guy actually does a pretty good job, Roger Goodell. Every year, every year that passes of me closely following sports, I'm like, hey, I said that.

I know. That's why I brought it up. I was like, I'm pretty sure. And I was going to say the thing about like, oh, you'll be a Republican when you're older, but I didn't want to say that on the show. Mm-hmm.

I don't want to do any mention of anything. Not even the dumb little jokes I would used to do. Because that's, dude, the Milwaukee. Let me just say this: the people that listen to WSSP. And I've gotten to know a lot of them.

But the average person that listened to our station I don't I wouldn't I hate them. Oh yeah. I didn't know where that was going, but that was not the conclusion I expected. 'Cause they'd be flipping in between me and Mark Belling. Dan O'Donnell.

Belling goes the break, O'Donnell goes the break, and then you get me. They don't like me. Yeah. And then I can't even interview Jeff Perlman about the USFL and how it. Folded.

And how a lot of that was because Donald Trump wanted to buy the bills and they wouldn't let him.

So he tried to. He tried to have his generals merge with the NFL. He wanted to be an NFL owner. And so they moved over the fall. And the whole league fell apart.

Why, hey, you can't be bashing our president like that. I'm not. Mentioning. Mentioning. Here's the last one I have for you.

And I'm going to regret not doing Packers, but NBA is. Out in the mind. I mean, I'm not telling people to put a heat lamp in their chest to get rid of COVID. I'm talking about the USFL. Mm, you are.

You were. All right.

Paul's not on board, to quote Michael, in arrested development. Job's not on board. Paul is done. Final prompt, Paul. I'm actually going to turn my mic off while you talk.

Bees? Bees, Michael. Bees! Joe's not on board. Good delivery.

The five NBA current players. The current five NBA players who will be the best in the league in five years.

So that means, like, if there's someone in high school or college right now, hey, maybe in five years they will be one of the best five players in the NBA, but probably not, right? But I'm saying current NBA players in five years, which by the way, just for context, Giannis will be 34. Jokic will be 34.

So, you have to take into context how old these guys will actually be in five years. The five best players in the NBA in five years. Will be. in no particular order. Wemby?

Aunt Edwards Tatum. Luca. SGA.

Well, if you would have done this five years ago, we didn't know what Wemby was. No, that's what I'm saying.

So you'd say, like, if some next Wemby shows up, that doesn't count. That's not part of that. You're not expected to know who that next Wemby is. Can I interest you in a Jonathan Kaminga? You cannot.

But he but like Paul, really quickly, even if Wemby all of a sudden shows up, I think it would then take. Like, guys aren't good right when they come into the league, they're kids unless they're wemonyama, unless they're. I mean, it's so, I mean, but the point is, but I think it's going to take at least a season or two more for Wemby to reach that point. I think we're all pretty sure that he'll get there, but I don't think it's happening like out of nowhere.

So I think you can be pretty sure when doing this that we don't have to factor in college or high school kids at that point. I think that's true.

So, guys that didn't make the cut would be 34-year-old Jokic, 34-year-old Giannis, Paolo Bancaro.

Well Luca will be thirty. I thirty.

So and and so too will Tatum. Tatum's out. Tatum's out. I'm kind of on Tatum also being out.

So here's what I thought the next ones were: Aunt Wemby and SGA. For sure. Those are probably locks. And then it's Luca Tatum. Here's some other themes: Paolo Bancaro, Chet Holmgren, Ja, Tyrese Maxey, Jalen Williams from the Thunder.

Did you say that C? Maxi. I love Maxi. I think he's awesome. He is.

Grant gave the look as if, like, what are we talking about? Maxie's fucking. What about Sengoon? Shengun. Oh, what about Ja Morant?

I said Ja as a backup.

So I didn't put Zion because of the injuries, but I put Ja on my backup list. My backup list: Paulo, Chet, Ja, Maxie, Jalen Williams. Why don't you just do top 10 then? Jesus. I think, no, but I think I'm going to put Tatum in my top five.

I think Jokic sticks in there. Does that not? That's my biggest cut is that I think could 34 year old will will 34 year old Jokic Well, he's going to be playing in five years, guys. Honestly, yeah, maybe he just doesn't want to play anymore. If he owns another title, he says, fuck this, I'm going to go ride horses.

Yeah. I think he dressed him up as grew. Did they, though? Yeah, well, he just did a commercial for Despicable Me 4. Oh, he did?

Okay, so then it was on purpose?

Okay. Which by the way, despicable means the best kids franchise there is. My kid's in the Madagascar right now. Mm. Have you done the the despicable means yet?

Well, he knows what the minions are 'cause they're at the beginning of Sing.

So we went from illumination, we went from frozen. To sing. To a big trolls run where he wants to have a trolls birthday party. But now he's totally into Madagascar and he's way back into Paw Patrol where he's watched, there's on his tablet. There's one episode.

Did you see the new movie, Paul Patrol? Oh, yeah, the Mighty Pups. Yeah. Yeah, the Meteor comes. There's also like a 40-minute episode about another meteor.

Yeah, it's like the movie only truncated and it's got Humdinger's nephew in it. Harold. Harold Humdick. Yeah, Harold.

So he watches the same episode all the time, the same one. And I'll be like, Daddy, what's the line you like? Oh, from the movie Daddy. What's the low? I said Launch, not lunch.

That's a joke from the office though, too. Launch? They're going to have a launch party. Remember, they're going to launch the website. When Frozen goes, finish each other's sandwiches.

I was so pissed. You're saying because it's from arrested development. Yeah. I called this out. Ten years ago.

On my platform, on my Fox Sports platform. I tangented it in a set it was something about You could yeah, about how uh Finish each other's sandwiches is not You still have just say oh, that's I'm a fan of arrested development.

So we took that line. I'm glad someone else caught that. By the way, speaking of things that other people, I'm hoping they noticed, you guys did not respond to me during the draft. When I said Does anyone else notice that Roger Goodell does not know how to pronounce draft? Oh, he says draft?

Draft. One out of ten, he'll hit the T at the end. The T's not fucking silent, Roger. How can you see Yakum? Oh Danilo de Cumpo Alinari Kelinari Paw Winkler.

Spiro Didas. But, like, how do you collect it at work today? One of my coworkers said it's Deeds. And I'm like, is it? I thought it was Spiro Didas.

Dides. Maybe he pronounces his own name wrong. Uh I don't think he knows how to pronounce anything. Oh, I had a. Why did I watch one game on Bally?

Oh, because I didn't get NBA TV. That's spicy pea bullshit. Marcus, come on. Oh, yeah, game two was rough. Marcus, your Marcus is so good, but that was, yeah.

The one, the huge mistake that Gus Johnson made in his briefing DeRosen. Frozen to Rosen. Remember it's like we heard you? We heard you the first eight times. Yeah.

You want to make it a thing. You want it to be, you don't know what highlight the social media is going to clip.

So you want to make sure it's on every play.

So you're swinging for the fences every time. I did not, I strongly disliked the Gus Johnson hire as the Bucs. home broadcaster However many years ago that was. That was a weird time. But the unforgivable moment that I'll remember this forever.

Was as he's announcing for the Bucks as a Bucks broadcaster, Kyle Lowry from North Philly with the Bucks. And I'm like, You didn't understand the assignment. He didn't understand the assignment. Yeah. Who are you putting in instead of Tatum?

If Tatum's not one of the top five players in the league in five years, it's because here's the thing: it doesn't matter because Tatum's a bridesmaid, never the bride. It doesn't matter who it is. Like, I don't need it is possible that she could win. I don't need to give you a fifth because I just know that someone will. Be in there in front of him.

Well, just who would it who would you put in? Palo's a fun one. Yeah. I like Palestine. Ooh, the daily show is coming to Milwaukee for the convention.

Oh, interesting. What are you possibly looking at on your screen that would be giving you that? Are you just on Twitter? I saw a tweet from Variety. The convention game is very weird.

Big day, by the way, for Jerry Seinfeld. I don't know if you guys saw that, but he's trending in lots of different ways today. I did. Well, it's his birthday. He's 70.

Happy birthday. And he says you couldn't make his show today. She's seventy? Yeah. That's what I thought I saw.

Wow. You couldn't do Seinfeld today because of the radical left. Yep. And then people kept saying, well, it's always sunny exists. 'Cause so does Curb.

Do they still on the show? Good finale, by the way, I thought. I'm not there yet. I'm not going to say what happened. It was good.

It was good. Uh um um um um yeah well I want to ask you like that part. I didn't think they'd kill her. I didn't think they'd kill Susie off at the end. Like, I know that is a good thing, you know.

And Jeff being the one to do it is a little too on the nose. Yeah, I thought they pushed it a little bit. I can see that. Yeah. He made it in a funny accidental curveway.

It's like she fell on the knife. She fell on the knife. It was a whole episode about this big knife. And Larry's like, why would you have a big knife? You can't leave it around.

Someone could break into your house. And then there was a thing with Leon where he almost got. And then so Larry goes, I only buy big fucking knives. Why would you buy a knife that's not fucking big? Yeah, big fucking knife.

Come on. It's part of the big Johnson community. I used to live above a big knife fucking store. How convenient was that for me? That's a really good thing.

And he was like, he's like, you know, like a pirate with their apple. You got to have a. I carry a big, and then he pulled out a knife and Larry's like, and they were in like a store. Yeah. We did pretty good there.

Yeah. We made all that up. That's not bad. That's pretty good. We're talking Packers' draft next time.

Turns out you could make more curb today. The radical left didn't completely kill it because us two idiots came up with. Big fucking knife. Big fucking knife. It's like big salad.

Just put big in front of anything. It works. You know what? But the thing, like. I go back, I watch a lot of curb.

But not the finale, apparently. I'm always behind, right? Oh, I never behind.

Well, that much is true, yes. But This is a dark thought, but it's like the number of his friends now who have From the show who are Dead now, you know, he's also an old man that's no, I know, but that it's wild. Like, if you go back and watch like season one, season two, when these guys are like in their mid to late 40s. And now this show, which is still on, You know, maybe I, yeah. It was a little sad watching Richard Lewis in the final season.

It was interesting watching. And when he had to, well, and at the end, I was worried too, because I knew he was so old and they made him carry Susie's body out the back door. And I'm like, why do you have Richard?

Sorry, I should stop spoiling for you. I don't believe you. What if that's exactly what happens? What if we go through the episode? But then we play it off like we didn't.

I like it. Paul, at least, when he's watching, he's going to be thinking. When does Susie die? Is this the moment? Every every like knife that's in the background of any scene, I'm gonna think, oh, the weapon.

It's a big fucking knife. God damn it. The big Johnson community. All right.

Well, thank you guys. Goodbye. Thank you, Bart. Thank you, Paul. Goodbye.

Thank you. Grant Paul. I'm going to play a voicemail. You guys can probably dip if you want or stay. No, I'm going to leave.

Grant's already gone. See you, buddy. All right, we still do have the voicemails 402-915-BART, 402-915-2278. Thanks to our friends at Carl's Place, Carl of ET.com backslash BART. Hey, a lot of people tried golfing the other day, but it was too windy.

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Alright, gonna play this one. Actually, I figured this out, if you'll bear with me. I figured out, I tried to play, just like I played that file earlier. If I save this. I believe that I can play the voicemail.

via the computer. In another Pure act of brilliance now that I finally figured out how to use StreamYard. been paying for this service. and not using any of the parts of the service. Ooh, it says video file.

I don't know if they're gonna let me. Uh do this. Uh nope. But I could make In a video file. Ooh, I'm going to pause that and do it.

One second.

Okay, I'm back. And it's like nothing happened. All right.

Let's pull up the video. Nope, it didn't work. God dang it. They tricked me. I actually can get it to work.

It's going to take longer than I want to, so I'm going to just play it over the phone, and it is from brick. In West Alice, Brick. Good afternoon, good evening, and good night, Winkle Burgers. Ellis Uh apparently my Car speaker thing was shit.

So I'm gonna try my fancy new headset. Hopefully, I don't get hear shit about it from everyone, which is fine because it did so much shit. Anyway, a couple things real quick. Uh, bucks, I don't know how they do anything unless they get two of the big three back for the next game. I know Chris Middleton is there but he's still clearly hobbled but he's an amazing and I just It sucks.

two of his best performances of the playo of his playoffs career outside of the finals. that one year have been wasted in losses, but What are you going to do? Not my fault. Not our fault that you know the pacers got lucky with injuries i know i hate to claim the injury bug but Which if you honest I don't know, and they say, Okay, you still gotta beat him, no excuses. With things down my okay, that's not good.

With Chris Hobbold, I mean Come on. What realistically can Yeah. basically your second squad.

So all that being said. Um, I'm a little annoyed that certain uh Certain shows out there that rhyme with the shame. are complaining that that the Bucks need to take a hard look at Yannis. Because they're losing, like, he didn't just have. Statistically, one of his better seasons.

I don't know all the numbers exactly, but pretty sure he was up there in terms of his all-time performance for his career. at the very least who's on pace with what he normally does during the season. Um All that being said, it'll be disappointing. They're probably not, I don't see them turning it around. But if they do, that's great.

Maybe they can get everyone healthy and back for around two if that even happens. But not holding my breath. Real quick, the draft. I was good with the draft. I don't pretend to know anything about any of these guys outside like the top 10 or 15 really.

After the top five even. It's kind of a crapshoot, and even within the top five, it can be a crapshoot.

So good to see that. The bear is still bared. By graphic, I'm pretty sure the Jeffrey Punter was at the fourth round. The Bears had a great draft. They drafted a punter in the fourth round, but like That guy's a weapon.

No, the Bears had a great draft.

Sorry. Point that my friends and I like to play with is If you could draft a puncher that was guaranteed every time you punched the ball to punch it within inside the five-yard line. Guarantee, no matter where he was on the field, no matter the conditions, no matter the scenario, it was going to be inside the five-yard line. How high would you draft him? Is he a first-round draft pick at that point?

Yes. Or is he a late-round? And you know that he's going to be able to do this. This is an L-Mill maybe. First-round pick.

I think he's the first on draft pick, maybe not top. 10, but he think he's a first one for sure. On a weekly basis.

So, just a fun hypothetical.

Now that I've rambled long enough, it's probably going to cut me off soon.

So, I'll just say, I hope everyone has the day they deserve, especially you, Craig Council. Thank you. There you go. End on a high note. Stick the landing, brick.

You son of a bitch. All right, I'm not doing a live show on Tuesday. This is the Tuesday show. I'm going to try to do something Packer related. Later this week.

Otherwise, I'll talk to you next time I talk to you. Thanks for coming into the Winklerverse.