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You need Indeed. Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler.
Welcome into the Winkler-verse. For mm-mm-mm-mm, Paul Imig and Grant Pills are here. It is the 28th of February upon posting. If you are listening to this in that nice window between Grant's show and then my show later this evening, it was when I hope that you find it. I would like to promote an interview that I have on my show tonight at 10 PM Central. I'll be sitting down with, well, not sitting down, but I'll be talking with Bernie Williams. Five-time all-star Bernie Williams. What do you got on the docket for Bernie? Well, I recorded the interview.
That's where I was earlier today. We talked about his transition to a new career. He's a musician.
He's got a foundation where he uses music to help different patients going through stuff. He shared his thoughts on baseball. I asked him, what about these new rules?
What do you like back then and vice versa? Then I also obviously mentioned he was in an episode of Seinfeld. I told him the one with George Costanza. He goes, are you the one that put us up in a Ramada in Milwaukee? I said, Bernie, I wasn't a big Yankee guy, but I always liked you because you said Milwaukee on my favorite show. Then at the end, I broke it to him that there no longer is a Ramada in Milwaukee. Well, no one wanted to stay there after the Seinfeld episode.
You ever hear this joke this comedian said? George's delivery in that scene, because he's helping Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams work out. He's teaching him how to hit a home run and he hits a home run. They're like, we won a world series. George goes, in six games.
That is what I want to capture in my personality. Brewers and Cubs in action as we talk. 50-50 boos for Council.
It looked like at American Family Fields of Phoenix. Do we have any thoughts on Council still getting some cheers? Well, was it Brewers fans cheering? I mean, it was in the Brewers spring training home ball park.
Yeah, it's hard to know what kind of crowd this was. Since we've last talked, Council turned heel. Well, Council embraced his heel turn.
Okay, let's do this analogy. Since the last time we talked, Council was a heel. The three of us know that. A couple people in, where was it?
Virginia or where was he from? There's a few people who don't think that Craig Council was a heel, but he was The Rock before The Rock realized no one wanted to see The Rock coming back, at least not in this WrestleMania. Then Council, in his comments about, oh, now you can tell you're in a different place, he's like, okay. Like The Rock realized, I'm a heel.
This is what it is. Since we've last talked, Craig Council, there's no other way to explain it, has embraced his heel turn or no, I don't think he has. I think he's just, do you think he still thinks he can say that and then still go to the Marquette game and be like, hi everyone because he can. He does not have that hard of a time when he goes places. I don't think he's going heel. I just think he's a Dick. Like, yeah, there's a difference. Like The Rock, it's scheme.
I need to do this too. The Rock's not, I don't think a Dick. I think Craig Council is just a Dick. Like Craig Council will get into heaven, but he'll have to wait in line a considerable amount of time. Purgatory is designed for people like him. That's why it exists. The middle place, as they say. Yeah.
He's not going to have one of those Disney fast passes to just scan his fucking wrist and get involved. He's going to have to wait in the two hour line to go on slash mountain. Like the rest of us slash mountain. RIP Tiana's Bayou adventure is what you will soon know it as. Oh, really? Is it the same ride? Totally different theming, but same splash and everything. Yeah. Oh, okay.
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You have to see it to know it. I do need... May I address my tweets? Go for it. Well, I'm texting you guys. No one answers me. It was at two in the morning. It was at two in the morning.
So, here's what happened. Adrian Griffin was hired. He was a bad coach. A lot of people realized that right away.
I didn't. I thought, maybe he's bad, but you got to give him the benefit of the doubt. If they give him the benefit of the doubt and he coaches the full year, is there a better outcome?
The way that Docs come in here and change his team defensively, probably not. It was probably bad. So, all right.
They won. That's fine. I was wrong about this.
That's fine. But then, when Doc Rivers came in, everyone was giving Doc a benefit of the doubt, not Adrian Griffin. I understand that he may have earned that.
He's coached a long time. But then, the first week of February, I was cocking off because I was being a dick. So, I kept those... Those tweets were up.
They were fine. Then, during a Bucks blowout win over the Hornets where they score only 26, the Hornets doing the first half, some people thought, oh, you know how I'm going to celebrate this? Go and quote tweet something that Bart Winkler said four weeks ago when he was being a dick in the moment. But now, it's going to look out of context. So, what was happening, I was driving to work on my phone, which I did blow a red light today because I was on my phone. I mean, I flat out fucking blew it. So, I got to... I feel very guilty. I almost drove right to the police station and said, I did something. I felt awful.
I got away with one freebie. So, I was getting quote tweeted to death. I don't know that everyone's experienced this. I have plenty of times because of the shit I say about the Cubs. So, there will be times when I make a tweet and I get 200 quote tweets in a 30-minute span that say like, cry more, mad online, clown face. And just looking at your mentions and seeing quote tweet after quote tweet, it's an awful...
It's just awful. And so, I deleted the tweet to not get quote tweeted to death. And then, I blocked some people. And then, I tried to spin it and I was like, hey, let's be united. I did the thing, but now let's not do the thing. I'm taking my ball and going home. And that didn't work because then people were screenshotting the deleted tweet and then screenshotting that I blocked them. What a fucking honor. So, whatever.
That's fine. But then, this one guy tweets at me. And I shouldn't even bring this up because on Twitter, you can see only this tweet has 97 views.
No one has seen this tweet. But he quote tweeted me saying, I'm done about Adrian Griffin, whatever. In this day and age, I think it's important that we take notice of what can happen to a person when they become obsessed with the opinions of strangers on the internet on minor topics rather than developing human connections with real people in the real world. And I think that that is just... And I can't get into engagement with them because it's not... I'm a sports radio personality. I interact with strangers more than I interact with any other group of person. So, yeah, I care what strangers think of me.
I want them to listen to the show. And if you want to say opinions of strangers rather than developing human connections, well, there was a time where I just talked down here to a bunch of strangers. And then me and a bunch of those strangers all got together in the Miller Park parking lot and had real human connections. So, I just think that's a bullshit tweet. And he's a stranger. And it does bother me. It's... I don't know. I'm just very upset.
I had to get this off my chest. I guess I'll unblock some of these people. I don't fucking care.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, then I look and they're all clowning me. And so, I look in their bio and it says, Bucks fan, comma, 20. Look, I'm a Bucks fan. You can be a Bucks fan. I would like us to all be together.
But I am... And you can say whatever you want about this. I no longer choose to celebrate the Bucks without people in my age group outside of Grant. Or yeah, Toby, maybe. Or Chuck. That's reasonable.
Or Toby. On the other side of the range, yeah. Yeah, Bart, it was like two weeks ago, you told us that you were going through and you unfollowed what? Hundreds, right? You should unfollow thousands of people, Bart. You got to get that number down into the triple digits.
Yeah, yeah. This is on you, not for purposely, almost comedically being a dick about the Adrian Griffin stuff. It's on you because you shouldn't have any care what these people have to tweet at you. You're way too old and... But there's a lot more people than people were commenting on these, like, look who deleted or blocked me.
He's a clown, real bitch. There's a lot of people that... I mean, I know not everyone likes me, but the number's a little higher than even I thought.
So, a little bit of medicine. If this is you first finding out that you're a divisive personality, I don't know what took you so long. Me? Like, people don't have like a... Yeah, I like Bart. It's either like, I love Bart or I hate Bart. There's not much middle ground. Of all the battles to fight with all the groups, Buck's Twitter is not the battleground that you want to hang out in.
That's not... Don't wage war against other Buck's fans. We only have so much time and energy to do these stupid things. Well, that's what I was saying in my tweet last night. Tweeting more, by the way, tweeting more has never helped. Don't tweet more. It's never helped. Yeah, yeah.
No, I know. I think go host your national perspective. You have significant airwaves upon which you can let all this stuff out.
And then also with us. But I did grow. I realized there was some growth because I did not bring it up at all on the national show. When on my old morning show, it would have been my whole show.
It would have been an audience. Yeah. Yeah.
Couple of things unless you want to keep going on that. No, I'm sorry. Just because neither of you responded to my text, I thought I'd get you here. But you literally, I think you sent that. I mean, I was like four and a half hours into my sleep at that point, woke up and saw it.
And I'm like, did I respond to this? I can never tell if you go to bed at 6.30 or 3.30 in the morning. Yeah, there's a variance to it.
That is true. I don't, I'm not clear on what Paul's schedule is. He seems like the type to go to bed at nine, but every once in a while, I'll get a text at like, yeah, I'll get a text at 12.30 about something I just said on the radio. I'm like, I'm like you, Paul. The other night I was up listening. Her?
Yeah. The other night was an exception. In fact, I sent that text almost as if to say like, I never listened to you live because it's past my bedtime.
But here I am at 12.30 listening to the Bart Winkler show. Your boy Shep will be unhappy to know that the NBA just denied the Knicks protest from two and a half weeks ago of that Rockets game. So we talked about that a little bit that has been denied. So yeah, sorry Knicks. But karma, you know, ball don't lie, ball don't lie. Then of course, Dante DiVincenzo runs a man over and they get a last second bucket.
So true. The Knicks, they're even now. It works out. And it was against the Pistons. So like, you know, if anything, it helped the Pistons lose because now they're still tied with the Wizards for the word.
Of course, though, it doesn't really matter anymore because the three worst teams all have the same odds. Is that right in the NBA lottery victimless crime for the most part, except for maybe Monty Williams. But Monty Williams has done such a bad job this year. I don't even feel sympathy for him. And if we're going over the news and notes of the day, Kyle Filipowski will play for Duke tonight.
I can't believe they're not holding him out. If I have to, I don't care if he's never felt better in his life. Yeah.
Can't play in this game. Exactly. Yeah. Like, do you really man? Yeah you would like a towel over his head and like all that. You Paul Pierce him to the court in that wheelchair, bring him out in the hospice bed.
No, come Hugh freeze style. Yeah. He watches from up in a suite. He doesn't even sit on the bench. Yeah. He's he's Kawhi in the playoffs. He's watching from the suite for sure.
That's so dumb. Because it was tough getting down to court level with his injury. I will be saying that from a national perspective tonight, as you should like that is. And also it's, it's so Duke, like it's just undeniably so Duke that, that this happened to or that maybe not happened to but happened because it's Duke. And I don't even I'm not even a Duke hater but like it's just so perfectly narratively do. In the other news and notes who has seen any NBA player appearances in the latest Fallout boy music video? Oh, Jimmy Butler.
Jimmy Butler is the games is Jimmy Butler played in this year 25 suspended for one recently. He found he found time in his sketch for a little FOB. The other one I was, oh, hey, I'm your what's wrong with FOB.
FOB. 3039 games, by the way, that's how many he's played in this year. So out of like, what?
5860 ish, maybe. Whatever, go be in a music video. Bart Bernie Williams, you talked to him about music, would he be more of a grand bills music appreciator or a or a Paul and make a music appreciator? I have a good feeling which direction he might. I mean, he was nominated for a Latin Grammy in 2008.
Oh, wow. For like, he's saying and like, he's saying it or he just wrote it or what? He had an album. He's a guitarist. He did a lot of like, I don't want to say he did like, I don't want to say he like like Santana's Supernatural album where he did duets with everybody, but kind of Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of is like, oh, he's like, Carlos Santana.
Let's go. Hey, hey, hey, everyone loves on that album. Of course, we all know smooth featuring Rob Thomas or Matchbox 20. But the song that not enough people talk about is the one with Chad Kroger.
It's like into the night or whatever the Nickelback singer. Yeah. Oh, yes.
That sounds good. That definitely came up before you were born. Like 97 98, I would guess. Maybe you were just really. Yeah, the one with the the album that you're referencing right now. I was in middle school. Could be could be could be right.
Probably probably don't need to do it. Matchbox 20. And especially that smooth song. That shit was so overplayed. Now when I hear it, I just fucking rock out, man.
Well, you're just lucky. Great touch tune song gets the whole bar jumping. Oh, touch put your lights on. With Everlast. Of course. All right.
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You need Indeed. We're back. Well done. Quick aside before we get into the the real sports. This is one that I know how Bill Michaels would answer this grand. When you know, I'm serious. I'm serious. Like, I know this to be true of Bill for the man. Trust me. Grant's going to as soon as I say what I'm going to say.
Grant's like, oh, he's done a lot of shows with Bill. You know, I probably have still have done more than I know. I don't know. Well, you would both know we've you both have plenty of experiences. What's the question?
Well, the question is, what's the topic? Are you coming out of All-Star break? Are you going to Super Bowl or are you coming out of the All-Star break and going to the Super Bowl? Oh, so Bill is All-Star break Super Bowl. There's no the.
He's always like the proper noun with the capital letters. And I would I've told Bill this. So it's just like, no, you don't go to all. And I heard this like a frequent game I was watching on NBA. And I think, yeah, well, at All-Star break, I'm like, no, at the All-Star break. This just does not. What say you? I agree. I agree with you that it is the. But I found myself just unintentionally saying Super Bowl.
I was leaving the the off and it wasn't on purpose. It's just I don't know, man. When you go to Super Bowl, you just start saying we're at Super Bowl.
I yeah, it's you have to be there type of situation. I know. Don't don't cave to the pressure part. What's your I don't actually don't know how you how you do this one.
I think you say the. This was like the first thing I ever got mad at Bill for doing for real. I hate it when he said Super Bowl. Oh, that's so fascinating. Well, I don't know if it's that it's more weird than fascinating, but I hate it.
Would I be asking? I have this. This was not unplanned. I prepped this in my notes to talk to you because it's like this is fascinating for me.
This is in grand. It's the equivalent of like Job Bluth, I think, makes fun of this when he says, look at banner Michael. You don't it's not a you know, I mean, like you can't. It's a British thing. We're going to hospital.
We're going to university. Oh, that's true, actually. Yeah, which is yeah. Well, and now now Trump does it all the time. Huh? With what? I'm just thinking of the impression the guy does on SNL where he's like, we got very good road.
We got very good restaurant, that kind of thing. I just think he's probably senile a little bit and leaving articles out of his sentences. But right.
Okay, so Okay, so Bart, you strongly agree with the and grand is caving to the peer pressure, which he needs to fight back against. I mean, look, I can I can back to like, I've never been maybe it is once you go, like you go into it, you go and they'll just kind of evaporates. I've never been to the Super Bowl. So where'd you go?
I went to Super Bowl. What? But I'm gonna go to Florida. I'm not saying the Florida because it's the Florida WTF.
Welcome to the Florida. That's the sequel. Of course.
That's the sequel. Um, you know what, I'm gonna do one more off handed one. I don't care. Charlie Villanueva started NBA Twitter.
Mm hmm. Or Richard Jefferson told the story on Pat Bev's podcast, the three of us were texting about it. You were there that night, you say? I was there. I was covering the game. I saw that halftime that he has to be better.
And then he had a great second half. It just was it's just a fascinating aside. I always have I've always wondered like, well, anybody ever tell the story of Charlie Villanueva starting NBA Twitter, and Richard Jefferson did so I just thought that was cool. Um, let's talk about our friend this window Packers ready for a real topic. Yeah, we are. We've lightly touched on this.
But these are the type of hypotheticals that I love for the three of us to talk about. And your friend in mind Peter Bukowski will not mind I've never met him seems like a good guy. Peter Bukowski is all in on this T Higgins for 40 for pick 41. Give T Higgins $25 million. The Packers per year that is give the Packers have some great wide receivers but T Higgins would instantly be wide receiver one. So I want to and Bukowski has shared on Twitter, how wide ranging the responses have been to like you're crazy.
That's too much to like, you're crazy. That's not enough. So pick 41 for T Higgins while giving T Higgins $25 million a year. Do it if you're the Packers. Mm hmm. Or I don't know. So yeah, I'll strongly say no, I'm very interested in like I really think that Justin Fields What are they gonna do?
Where do the bears trade? What are the fallouts with that? I'm very interested in that. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interested as I have ever been in the top of the draft ever. I actually I usually don't do this.
We usually stick Packers Brewers bucks. I have a question on this for you guys. So hang on to that for a second part. But when we get into these kind of things, it's like I don't I don't know. I don't find I don't find doing seven round not drafts fun. I don't find I don't I don't know this this question. I saw him ask that I I said to Twitter show me less like this.
Not in general, but those kind of like, things I just I don't. Well, granted this one of those things though, because you said strongly I don't think they need a T Higgins for 25 million dollars a year. When you might have, you might have a T Higgins on your team. I mean, okay, this is just the dolphins had jail and waddle that didn't stop them from saying, Oh, we should get Tyree kill.
Right, which has led them to great results. We also have like, if you ask people, who do you think's got the most potential, you're gonna you're gonna get read, you're gonna get wicks, you're gonna get bold Melton, wanted, you're gonna get Watson who I forgot about just now. You can get Dobbs like, they've got enough. They've got enough guys, we want to take another receiver. That's fine. I don't think that I don't think that that is where you best spend your money or resources right now.
Grant, my question for you, as you said strongly, don't do that. If you woke up to the news one day, oh, the Packers traded 41 for Higgins and gave him four years and $100 million. Would you I mean, but you would then of course be like, like, you'd still be like intrigued, right? Like, whoa, like, it's not like you'd be like, Oh, what the hell? What a what's what's good. Can you think what's good against thinking? Right?
Or like, would how quickly would your tone change if it happened for real? I mean, I like watching good players. T Higgins is a good player.
So I'm like, I wouldn't be angry about it. I just don't think they need him. I think if you are going to give up a good pick a premium pick, and a big contract for a wide receiver, then I need to be able to maybe argue that that wide receiver is near the top in football, which you could save Tyree kill and you could save AJ Brown.
I, I think T Higgins is really, really good. I think they have a lot of wide receivers. Now, if you want to do that for Justin Jefferson, I'm on board. Of course. You would trade Yeah, geez. But like, in all seriousness, like if we're giving up a pick in a big contract to a truly like, unbelievable top 123 wide receiver in football.
Sure. Because that because that guy's such a difference maker that that yeah, even if you don't necessarily need him, you would you would love him on your team. I think one of the biggest strengths that the Packers have organizationally right now is their offense is going to cost them no money other than quarterback for years. Like they have a nice runway with this group of receivers and tight ends. And I don't like I don't think there's a gaping hole in this wide receiving group. No, there's not. So I don't think it's necessary.
It's not necessary. It's not where I would spend the resources given what they've done an incredible job of in the draft. But my part B to this is Daniel Jeremiah has 12 wide receivers in his top 50 prospects for this draft 12 of the top 50 are wide receivers. It draft one now again, if you're saying that it's a top 50 wide, a top 50 prospect, you're going to do it at pick either 25 or 41. Like presumably a top 50 prospect doesn't fall into your your own second round pick in the late 50s. What number is the packers at 5789 somewhere in that range, but could not be asking two worse people than me and Bart as to that number the precise number of the Packers. So I mean, again, we've we've hit on this a little bit in the past, but I just would say like I there's clearly this is an elite draft class of wide receivers. The Packers are set at wide receiver. There's other positions you could go after that are of a greater need.
But like, again, that's why I say part B to the T Higgins question. If one of these top 12, let's say it's the ninth or 10th best wide receiver on your draft boards there at 41. Do it or we'll see who it is. But yeah, I mean, I'm they take a receiver in the second round. I'd rather they do that and trade it and spend 25 million on a guy.
Yeah, I think I would too. It's it's like the the Brewers right now, right? Like the Brewers pitching situation. They have like six or seven arms, and I don't know which ones, but I'm pretty sure that they have a solid for group of four or five in there.
Don't know which ones. Yeah. Like, I don't think adding another similar arm to this group will help them.
Like, you can get a stud to come. Okay, sure. But basically, what the Brewers have to do with their starting rotation is like we need to weave this group of six or seven guys down to four or five.
Great. That's kind of what the Packers have to do a wide receiver too. So I don't know if it necessarily helps them to add another like similar player like another second or third round wide receiver.
Like if Roma dunes a or whoever, like, unbelievable player falls into your lap like, Oh, sure. Yeah, of course. But I like adding more depth and another guy into this room. I, I actually think that might create more problems than it would solve. The only thing that I what I mean, this was, this was happening as, you know, speaking of Bill Bill Michaels earlier, like the number of times he and I would talk each year around the draft. And you'd have like the at one point they drafted MVS and equinemia St. Brown reagent.
Yeah, I saw MVS got released and I hope J Mon Moore and J Mon Moore in the fourth round. By the way, I think we're about was joking on Twitter that he said, like, the return for MVS like, please God. Okay, right.
Because he's hardcore anti MVS. Right. Well he did book him on our show. But besides that, he also booked Sternberger. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, so he was definitely two Packers I had on. I'm trying to think of a player. I would want less on the team than MVS coming back. But the one thing that the mistake they have to finish my story is like they they drafted three wide receivers in that one year.
None of them really hit. I mean, MVS was, you know, a home run or a strikeout swinging on three straight pitches kind of guy. And they just kept like as Devonta was getting older, they kept not drafting receiver not drafting receiver not drafting receiver.
And so the the way to preemptively avoid that happening again, we just all like, you know, year after year go to Kinsta or even like that, they would always talk about, like, well, you know, just it just didn't work out. Right. Just it's just the way the draft board fell. We just didn't get one this year.
We didn't add to that class. You know, I think it's one of those positions, especially with a young quarterback, and the salary structure that we mentioned, like isn't the worst thing in the world to keep plugging in high end talent and letting them battle it out. But I would say if forced between those two choices of like, picking a rookie wide receiver on a rookie scale at 41 versus trading 41 for T Higgins, you know what you're getting with T Higgins.
Like, so let's be clear, like, he's really good. And I think Grant, you insinuated a couple minutes ago that AJ Brown is at a different is at a higher tier of wide receiver than T Higgins. You said like, Oh, if it's AJ Brown, if it's so and so I was like, my first thought was Yeah, yes. You're saying AJ Brown, you believe AJ Brown is in a like a like an unquestioned higher tier than T Higgins? Yes, I think AJ Brown has a claim when the team is functional. He's not being a dumb at I think he could be the best wide receiver of football. I think you're too high on T Higgins. Me. He's saying that to me.
Oh, yeah. Like T Higgins is night eight. There was like a six week stretch last year where AJ Brown looked like the best wide receiver in football. And Justin Jefferson was hurt.
And Terry kill also looked really good. But I'm saying like, like, this is the this is the type of shit. I don't want to get bogged down in like whether he's first or second or third. Like the point is, he has a claim. But T Higgins would not have a claim like that. If the Packers were to trade and pay T Higgins, it would be like the Packers saying, Well, this is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to trade for a wide receiver and sign them but like the quality of that wide receiver also like, like Tyree kill AJ Brown are on levels that T Higgins and T Higgins is fine. I'd rather draft a running back at 41 then trade it for T Higgins or like draft a young wide receiver. I think that would be a more productive use. And I don't think you know, premium picks on running backs.
I don't think that's great business. But I think that would make way more sense for this Packers team. Yeah, well, and by the way, there's no running backs on Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 prospects, not one. No, I think there's like there was there's gonna be a bunch that are gonna be probably like between pick 60 and pick 100.
But not a single running back in the top 50 prospects. And by the way, like I got a question for you. Yeah, hit it. Well, I'll frame it in the mm hmm. Oh, good.
Mm hmm. Of these two guys getting traded to the Jets, you'd be more upset if David Bach tiari became a jet rather than the Vontae Adams. The more I would be more upset if it was back to you. Mine is I mean, I should say it the other way. If the Vontae Adams is a jet, I'm gonna fucking be pissed. I don't think he is a classic guy who always wants to move.
He's never happy. Grass is always greener. What's that phrase you said of Devontae? It's a really good phrase. What are you like the most underground diva or like the most hidden like the biggest not really like what was that? I forget how you said that.
Like the quietest diva in the league. How did you say that? You know, I'm talking about right?
Something like that. Because Devontae was relatively like I'm assuming but he moved once because he wasn't getting the contract that he wanted from the Packers and there was quarterback Yeah, but now he wants out again. I mean, he's bitching for two years about playing with these guys. Oh, he's bitching all the time. Well, he did at least before they hired Antonio Pierce. Then he pushed that photographer.
Not really, but kind of Kyle Philipowski, the photographer. I I look they can both go to the Jets. I am so confident that the Jets are not the Jets are not a serious organization.
And they're not a serious contender. And I don't think you could send David back to your end Devontae Adams there and I still would feel that that's an eight or 998 team at best. That's bigger indictment on the team. That's not even an anti Rogers thing. Although Rogers is 40 and coming off and Achilles the whole thing is a clown car from top to bottom. I'd say Bakhtiari probably will be a jet. And I think I think Devontae Adams won't be traded and not not yet.
The Jets thinking David Bakhtiari is their solution at left tackle is just another example of how terrible the Jets are. It's like, Oh, this guy who's barely played over the last three years to Are we sure? Are we sure? Are we sure about that? Are we sure?
Are we sure about that? The biggest mistake Brian Gudekins made was going against the Packers philosophy of third contracts for an offensive lineman. And he'll never do it again.
He'll never do it. No, I don't think you would have done it this time if not for the presence of Aaron Rodgers. And you guys might be like, Well, obviously, yeah, but no, but I don't think a lot of people have brought that up. It's like, would that deal had been done? Yeah, if Aaron Rodgers was wired differently, or if Aaron Rodgers wasn't in Green Bay, I, I think the big reason why they did that is just because Rogers was there.
And maybe it made sense with their Super Bowl window. And it just aged really poorly and was a really unlucky situation. But how many know what I will do again? What I will do again is a gummy from happy place hemp. I was gonna say something. Go ahead. No, go ahead.
No, I that's fine. I was just curious how many it was only a few weeks between Bakhtiari his extension and then his devastating injury. Fuck. He's like, I like it was like, you just acted like we had wrapped up and you were moving on.
We've we've had seven or eight lulls in the last 35 minutes that were way more obvious than the one you just tried to shoehorn the ad like we've been sitting in here like thinking are we going to do sports or like and you sat silently and it's mid mid answer when Paul is giving a point where you're like now. Now I need to talk about happy place. Thank you, Grant. All right. Now there's a law go for it, buddy.
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Are you looking at the same thing I'm looking at? Yeah. Richard Lewis passed away.
That's so sad. curbs Richard Lewis. Yeah. Oh, and he was battling what?
Parkinson's? He didn't look the last couple times he was in Kirby didn't exactly look 76. That's a bummer. Do you know? Also, do you? How old do you think Eugene Levy is? Just 75 away now that you ask it. He's got to be in the 70s. He's 77.
Oh, I thought he looks great. If I look like that at 60. I'll be thrilled.
What a what a handsome dude for 77. What age minimum would you accept right now to live to? Please don't do this. It's a great it's a great topic, but I'm not doing it. It's a great topic, but I'm not doing it. Anyways, that's sad. I have another topic that I don't know if I should. How old was Richard Lewis?
76. Okay, sorry. Maybe I'll float this with you guys.
I the guy I want to talk about this with is Rami. But maybe you guys will. And there's a lot that would have had to gone into this to get to where we are today. But if dinosaurs were never extinct and humans were also around and they went to the they traveled and like let's say humans were in North America or dinosaurs. Now, there were humans in North America that history forgets. But when the European settlers traveled over, if they saw dinosaurs in North America, do you think they'd come back or do you think they try to settle North America?
Because, you know, like there's bears and coyotes and we just like drop cities wherever we want. You can't just drop a city because a dinosaur could just wander and stop through and fucking kill everybody. I think what would happen is we would have never expanded too far west. We would have pushed the dinosaurs west, built a wall, made the dinosaurs pay for it.
You fucking suck. I don't I don't think that those settlers from Europe were taking no for an answer. Or would we just would we kill the dinosaur? We'd be like yeah this ain't fucking right. We'd kill him. We'd kill him all. We'd kill him, keep some small and zoos.
Did Paul quit? Essentially. That's a good topic. Would you go to Jurassic Park if such a thing? No. Hell yes. Fuck no. Hell yes. I would never ever ever ever. I'd be there the day it opens.
Opening day. You'd be rope dropping Jurassic Park. Yeah. I would be getting off the boat as they cut the ribbon. I would be there so fast. Wow.
And you'd go like you'd go in like in the Jurassic World one where you have a little ball and you like have a little you drive that thing around the open terrain. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Are you accepting like a 40% chance that that's the last thing that happens to you? Like are you you know like this is probably there's a 60% chance I'll be fine and a 40% chance I get eaten on this trip. Are you accepting that and that's okay? I guess I would have to to go into the park. You probably would have to come to terms with that. I'm gonna end up like Richard Lewis. Alright I'll save that one for Rami.
He'll. You didn't save it. You used it and we did talk about it for a couple of minutes.
It's not like we'd. Oh. Tim? Tim. What's next Paul? What is next? I do wanna ask you this one because I guess we brought up the Bears situation. What does Caleb Williams NFL comp?
This isn't even an mmhmm. I just have to add. I'm not sure how to do that. Actually I could.
I'll give you an idea. So what does Caleb Williams NFL comp have to be to justify not getting a haul for that pick and sticking with Fields? So Caleb Williams has to at least be Justin Herbert to justify better than Fields. No that's no that's a bad take.
You wanna you better test this one out before you do this nationally. He's gotta he has because you're not by keeping Fields and trading the pick you can't just have kill like because of what you could get back it could be just as last year's decision to trade back was for the Bears like it could be you know it could be everything. Listen let me just give me my quick rundown on this whole thought process of what I think. Go.
Here's what I think. You gotta take Caleb Williams you had the number one pick last year. You didn't take it.
You got it again. You gotta take him. This is your guy. You gotta take him. You passed on Patrick Mahomes.
You don't want that to happen again. There's a better chance. I don't know how big it is but Justin Fields is never gonna be the best quarterback in the league. Caleb still just by nature percentages maybe could even if it's one percent. So you talk yourself into Caleb Williams but then you think we have a guy who could play and we could trade a bunch of guys really beef up the team around him. So our team is gonna get better. A Bears team with like Marvin Harrison junior maybe a couple other pieces they could make the playoffs. Okay but long term then you've got Justin Fields now but then now you're gonna pay him forty five million dollars a year.
I don't think you'd like him that much. So then you got to go back to Caleb Williams and say we're gonna take Caleb Williams and the whole situation wouldn't be the situation if Justin Fields was better than he is. See my the Bears are going to take Caleb Williams. I would still flirt around being like maybe we trade him to Washington and take Daniels or May at two.
Well and that's just it. There was the report today. I think they just say we're taking Caleb. But this here's the thing though like this is a seemingly not a consensus number one overall pick. This is not. And by the way we've we've learned more and more of that throughout this week as as like NFL Network. But I don't again a lot of shit is gonna be that doesn't mean it's real.
It does not mean it's real. That's true but again I say this as someone who has studied Caleb Williams so to speak like as a prospect but doesn't go back and watch my USC. I don't I don't cut up USC all twenty two. Is he like he seems like a very good prospect not like a Victor Wemenyama level like oh well duh he's Zion oh duh he's number one like he's as I understand it Caleb Williams is not that like obvious generational prospect. He's a very good prospect. But is he not one that if you could per like the Peter King stuff go back from one to two and then two to whatever even if you didn't trade back again like maybe you went from one to two and you called it right there and you're like oh we're just gonna take Marvin Williams.
So you're right Bart it just the smoke doesn't absolutely mean there's a fire but and it's the season where you have to decipher reports and where reporters have to try to determine like is what I'm getting like are you telling me this source because you want this out there or are you telling me this source because it's actually a real thing. So let me let me try this again because Bart I would strongly disagree I think with what you're saying that Caleb Williams only has to be better than Justin Fields to justify the decision. I don't think that's true at all.
No I said I was wrong. Okay okay so let's say just let's say Justin Fields is I don't know. I know he's three years in the league but like let's say he's at best. I think Justin Fields is eighty-five to a hundred percent of what he is. I think that's probably fair which means he would never crack the Bart-O-Meter's top ten quarterbacks right he might even close not even close right so he's better and if you put him on Atlanta I think he's better if you take him out of Chicago just inherently I think he's better yeah but how much better so let's let's just let's say Justin Fields will never be as good as Gordon Love yeah so that's what you need Paul you need him to be you need Caleb to be better than the Packers guy that's I mean I agree with actually what you're saying but that's a terrible way of course to think I mean if you're the Bears front office the problem is though and like Brian Gudekins talked about this I saw at the combine at the combine not at combine at combine no at the combine no I went to the combine so close yeah well you really should have it hung out with Schmitty and eggs yeah it's a good you should cover it it's a grant have you covered the combine no okay I'm trying to get the draft I'm trying to get the draft trying to get to draft I'm trying not just remain draft but this year it's in Detroit go so I'm trying to get to the Detroit to cover draft the Detroit to cover draft fuck you the problem oh good I was saying Gudekin said that it's at the combine where he was talking about like they do the Packers have the luxury the ownership and the longer leash to get away with you know having a quarterback sit for a few years and all of that and the Bears don't the geode they don't have that luxury right so like they probably have to make a more rash decision because it's kind of like Oklahoma City Thunder right where Sam Presti has you know first off it's paid off already but like when he had this vision he had 26 picks in the next five drafts like he knew he was gonna be able to see that through does does the Bears front office actually believe they would be allowed to see it through if they don't believe that somebody called me and wanted them to wait for arch Manning I heard that I'm like I don't I don't think that you can you can assume you have that much time if you're Ryan polls if you have to like that's in two years right that arch Manning will be draft eligible 20 20 years if the Bears are in a position to draft arch Manning in two years Ryan polls will not be the general manager to make that pick so not a long enough leash so I got a radio Joe sports tweet oh he says a prominent source tells me at 1250 AM the fan will be bringing back a local show to the airwaves announcement tomorrow stay tuned well that could be any that could that source could be anyone at the fan who knows that could have come from any number of people that currently work there Clemens responded Mike Clemens responded great it's too late but great Clem dog um on the fields topic yes please I just have some pet peeves number one it's like no one's watched Justin Fields last couple years he's not that good he's not that good he's fine is he not that big Chicago Bears so there have been quarterbacks in worse situations than Justin everybody is saying that fields if he's got Marvin Harrison Jr. and if he's got another running back like if you put talent behind him he's gonna get better right everyone's saying this so the quarterbacks gonna look really good because of all the talent around him well who does that fucking remind you of the guy they tried to make MVP Brock Purdy yeah Brock Purdy's so good no he's not he's he's got with Justin Fields you're trying to give Justin Fields the Bears offense last year rushing wise was unbelievable it was outstanding last year when they were hot they were losing but their offense is great then they had DJ Moore and then this year the defense was really really good when things kind of settled down after a really rocky start to the season and they had a middle of the road sub 500 missed the playoffs here so I again it's he hasn't been totally bereft of talent around him not the best situation but certainly not the worst that's that's pet peeve number one pet peeve number two we're talking about this Bears pick like no other team has ever had a pick at the top of the draft before it's like well the Bears could take a quarterback but like what if they trade down like think of how many uniquely different no it's not though it's not they had it before there's a lot on the line there's a lot of teams that need quarterbacks there's a lot that could jump there's a lot of quarterbacks this is fucking scandalous unprecedented amount of Hall to trade down and this is one of this is gonna go down as one of the top 10 butterfly effect moments in the NFL history that's true yeah because if they decide they're open for business to move down then Vikings Broncos Falcons they can get involved like yeah and then field whether or not fields becomes available so butterfly effect sure but Paul I'll answer your question how good does Caleb Williams have to be to justify them picking him he could be he could bust and it would be the correct move he could be terrible it would be the correct move what yeah I see where grants coming from there you're saying the problem you gotta do it it's like you're saying from a process perspective grant yeah a hundred percent you have a quarterback who's fine you they've had an opportunity frame it this way you can't pick number one overall in the draft two straight years or possess the number one overall pick in the draft two straight years and walk away from that with your quarterback being Justin Fields who's about to get paid a ton of money a tweet of which I read and said your name oh I appreciate that part thank you I just I think I started if he busts you go well it was the right to say or it doesn't have to be Caleb Williams take whichever quarterback you want if you want to trade back to two or just stick and pick at one and take the LSU kid who I can't remember his name Jaden Daniels or Drake May take it take panics take whoever you want take the quarterback you like the most and and that's and build around him and move forward and if it doesn't work it doesn't work but it's not working right now you're not winning the division with Justin Fields as the quarterback with the way the Lions are set up and the way the Packers are set up now for the next couple of years it's you're not doing it it's not enough let's ask this definitively Justin Fields will never be a top 10 quarterback or I don't think so he will never be I still like him though he I don't think Brock Purdy's a top 10 quarterback he almost just won a Super Bowl like I think Fields could go to Atlanta and win a lot of games and it would make sense for Atlanta but it doesn't make sense for Chicago given the draft capital that they have yeah all right one more short one my computer's dying do you have your I didn't know if I should leave time for if you were prepped for your Bartle meter yet last couple times we've done that oh I haven't prepped yet the Bartle meter is going to be teams that did not make the playoffs how likely they are to make the playoffs in the NFL and I think my big my big shocker will be Jacksonville over the Chargers okay sure Jacksonville is the most likely non playoff team to make the playoffs and then I'm gonna put the Bears in there but I'm not sure where yet Minnesota belong in there Minnesota long in there Minnesota has no fucking shot here's the thing here's the thing Paul the Bears what it's circle back to Minnesota in a sec but with the Bears like they could take their quarterback at one and still add awesome players like they have two picks in the top ten it's not like quarterback they could be better short-term with fields but then long-term with Caleb they and if Caleb is even look at what CJ shroud did last year like CJ Stroud has less talent than the Bears are assumedly gonna have this year all the Bengals didn't make the playoffs they'll be in there all you do is forget about the Bengals that's like your go-to who else would be in there maybe I'll do maybe you know what I'll do the I'll do no chance that's better no chance of making the playoffs so whoever's number one is like the highest odds of not making it yeah from the playoffs number one start at ten with the worst teams and then get progress like the number one has to be no way like that team's got to make the playoffs I said I didn't look like Vince Scully last night and chef almost died I love how you kept saying cuz I was listening to a little bit and you're like this is no this is not something I want to defend it's just something I want to say and now we're gonna move on it's not like no this is not my take I just watched a movie I didn't like it I'm sorry per sources ram has called drew in KB this afternoon whoa I know I need to respond to what you just said about in Scully come on come come on come on you you you've got to show more respect part come on he's a legend you've got to receive got it you've got to put some more respect on his name part you're too smart you bet you've had too much success in this business to have this take I won't let you do a part you gotta let this wildflower burn sincerest former flattery right imitation I guess we can we can call it there or we can just briefly I want I did want to talk about what we want to do last week which was like Brandon Woodruff coming back to the Brewers is awesome or even if he doesn't pitch in 2024 just an unquestioned opposite of trading Josh hater type of move just a feel-good you know clubhouse morale as a fan you're like yes all right like we did the quote-unquote right thing like this is a regardless of his status for 2024 they did the good thing they did the right thing you're stoked about it with Woodruff or mm-hmm and the Brewers get credit for it because it would have been easy not to do it would have been really easy for the Brewers to be like oh we couldn't have the money and and they didn't they paid the money they didn't my charger there you go buddy I have a finite amount of time I need this charge because I need a good camera because I'm going on Zach Galv show in ten minutes all right and with that Bart you have any thoughts on Woodruff oh what a fucking waste of money I was so pissed when they did that yeah that's what I thought that's what I figured just kidding as I expected I mean it's just a universally beloved move I can't wait to speak with him hopefully next week in in Arizona the next the next you're going to the spring training I'm going to spring train yeah this that one next it does work I don't know I got it I'm gonna have to think through why that works I'm gonna have to consult my English teacher aunt about as you might say I'm going to NBA finals I'm going to where you going where you going this summer I'm going to Paris for Olympics yeah you come on you have right you have to say the Olympics you think I could get credentialed for the Olympics you need the the if I feel like I probably want anyone in there hmm the Olympics I'm going to the Olympics I'm going to shoot myself in the head I think if we don't wrap this up I think it's reached its natural end I think we should I think we should conclude oh this is yeah Wednesdays with Winkler time all right gentlemen thank you for your time what are you gonna talk about with the Zach Gelb I don't know I told him stop texting me topics in the morning just ask me something but I don't read what he says Bart Bart come on all right guys thank you appreciate you Bart bye Sean Spears back in WWE how about it Sean Spears has never been in WWE tie Dillinger leave leave leave leave no it's Ty Dillinger Ty Dillinger was in WWE Sean Spears is in WWE is in NXT for the first time they're **** up man who's who's they AEW in what possible way are you referencing this because everybody that comes back over same packaging same songs how is that a **** up that's a flattery if anything because when Edge goes he has to be Adam Copeland he can't be Edge okay but then Cody Rhodes it's cuz his name is Cody Rhodes like they just use more real names they don't use it like AEW is not as they don't tip it they're not gonna package a guy who was always Sean Spears as in Sean Spears I'm just saying like it's not isn't it it's nice that they're not trying to that the former company wouldn't try to say you can't have your name like that's a that I think that's a great thing it's a form of empowerment for the performer here there we go right like yeah it's a it's like two minutes now anything else you wanna talk about I got two minutes no I'm happy that these I'm happy that these wrestlers can go from like that there's always somewhere else seemingly if they have talent for them to go like it's amazing you know why whenever I have a complaint about AEW I only tell you and don't like tweet about it cuz you're an **** cuz AEW still follows me alright so now I know what to do I know what to do now you text me your complaint I screenshot it I tweet it at AEW and I say just so you know take this video clip and send it to him exactly yep exactly alright buddy when's your show on the fan start are going live at 9 p.m. central directly head-to-head with this absolute **** bag national show yeah okay that would be a good decision right yeah when is the Radio Joe show I like that people are asked are speculating on his tweet what it is and no one's like oh you're going back no I mean yeah you don't you don't think the recruiting has begun Joe are you going back Joe Joe's listening he's shaving his head right now all right have fun bon voyage thank you everybody bye go to Tupelo honey and enjoy yourself
