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Good. Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler. It's the Bart Winkler Show. June ninth, Friday.
Headed into the weekend, everybody. I don't know what you got planned. I got a lot. I got a lot. I got a lot planned.
I am going to do some Run walk for my kids' school. I am going to be At Ford Madison? Uh big game. For Ford Madison, North Carolina FC. On Saturday night, get on out.
Bree Stevens Field got to be there. Sunday, I'll be back on CBS. Talks in the NBA Finals, I'm sure. Game four is set to be Friday night. And uh As long as they don't shake and bake it too much.
In the evening, I... plan to hop on and Job, what's up? If it's good, I'll use it for the show. If it's not, it'll be in YouTube history. Not that YouTube's not the show.
There's a lot of great, extensive content on YouTube that I will be adding to this Dan Shaney insurance stream. Dan Shaney again, independent guy, danshaney.com. has already helped out a few of you. even if you want to call them and just get a quote He's a longtime listener, so. You can chop it up with him and talk about who you like the best and who you hate the most and And get all that done.
But there are gonna be some. Things that I'll be adding to my YouTube channel. I went through a lot of old. stuff Again. But now I found videos.
And I don't just want to inundate people with, like, hey, here's a clip from me and Chuck five years ago, but I am going to be posting a bunch of clips. of me and Chuck from five years ago. There's one where I try to tell him the moth joke. The famous normal norm Norm McDonald, the Conan O'Brien bit. There's one where we open old baseball cards together.
So I don't know. I had these videos and they were on Facebook Live and. They're my videos, so I'm going to put them on my YouTube. Why not?
So that'll be trickling over the next couple of days when I get to that. Uh so anybody awaiting that long Barton Chuck reunion. I thought we were getting close. I thought we were getting close. He's doing his lockdown brewers stuff.
Um You know, it's not like I'm not in contact with people. In other stations, you know, maybe, maybe, I don't know. Chuck should have been on here by now. Really disheartening. Really disheartening.
So everybody bug Chuck. Bug the shit out of Chuck this weekend. to pressure him again at least get him to comment on it Because I like when he does that. No, it's got to be bigger than a podcast, Chuck says. And then now he goes ahead and does A daily Podcast.
Got some voicemails to play. Scott Grodsky. Have a short conversation with him. Just about you know CBS 58 working in the biz. And really, he took a picture of Adrian Griffin.
The box new head coach looking clueless as fuck.
So I want to talk to him about that. Essentially, is what we Talk about. And then I'm not, this isn't, you know, I just talked about finding old content. And again, I don't want to go all, you know. Doug Russell here.
and try to repackage everything I've ever done from 15 years ago. The Doug Russell podcast, by the way, get it wherever you get your podcast. But maybe from time to time a flashback Friday Maybe from time to time. I did find the audio where Alan from the Northside called in. And I didn't follow up good enough.
His dad may have murdered someone at a gas station.
So we'll just end it with that. We'll set you into your weekend with some audio of. possible attempted murder. Is what we'll do. Couple of things regarding the Bucs.
I mentioned Adrian Griffin. Joe Prunty is back. Joe, pretty boy, Prenti.
Now is when I got to get Jeff Verlaski on. For that alone. I don't have Those cuts I had all of the cuts. I thought, I'll never need these cuts again. Joe Prunty, he's never coming back.
He's Terry Stotz is back. I like this. Hot take Jake is back, and that's the first Carl Place voicemail we'll have. I'm not sure. He was really into the Adrian Griffin press conference.
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Bart. All right, here's hot take Jake. Talking some bucks. Hey, Bart. It's me.
Um I unfortunately was not able to get in. just after the Adrian Griffin patch press conference. Yeah, well, I really, really hope it works out with Adrian Griffin and the Buck. On the heels of that press conference, I saw a tweet that said it's expected that Chris Middleton will sign a long-term contract with the Bucks.
So I'm kind of looking at today as the day the window officially closed. I'm sorry to say it. I really want it to work out, but That That's brutal, continued vo voicemail from four days ago. What I want and what I truly feel and what I truly believe are two different things. I said it.
Whoever gives Chris Middleton a long-term extension will soon regret it. they're after. And unfortunately, it looks like it's gonna be the Bucks. They needed to get younger. They needed to get more athletic.
It doesn't appear that they're gonna do anything significant, maybe some peripheral moves. Which I guess if you want to say that For right call because they were the best regular season team, as we all know. And as mentioned by Bart several times, regular season and postseason are two different animals. I think, um They're just They're too nice for their own goods, which brings me to Adrian Griffin. Yeah, uh watching that press conference, not exactly someone I would call dynamic.
Seems like a nice guy. but my instinct tells me I think they just hired Another Frank Cristo. Yeah.
So maybe I'm wrong. I I'm usually not. I I'm not ever wrong.
So um that was kind of silly of me to say. You are wrong. It's Larry Kristoviak. But, anyways, last thing I want to leave you with, I looked up this foul ball guy. 'Cause I hadn't heard of him until I heard Cone Roller bring him up.
And I I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Cone Roller likes this. because tone roller kinda has a tendency to like the worst kind of people.
So no. This guy's a dork. a loser If you catch a home run or a fly ball, good for you. Give it to a kid. I saw something that said he has like, you know, 1,100 foul balls or something like that.
Like, yeah, dude, you're just a dork. Touch grass, get a girlfriend, get weight, do something because you need to reevaluate your life.
So, yeah, that's all I've got for you, Barty. I love you. Won't be making as many appearances for the time being.
So, hopefully, catch up soon.
Okay, that was a voicemail. Jake left Tuesday. And then he was a part of our Wednesday night. Show. Just come when you please, guys.
Come when you please. You know, and we're Brett Dentos, like, I'm not coming back till October. You know, come and go when you please. You don't need to announce. Every single uh entrance and departure From the Bart Winkler Show, where we're good.
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Granger. for the ones who get it done. The Chris Middleton news since that voicemail. And maybe I end up getting another one before I'm done recording here. But now there's news that he had surgery.
After the playoffs. Oh boy. He had surgery on his right knee after the playoffs. It is, according to Eric Neyman, the athletic, a minor. Arthroscopic procedure.
He should be back on the court in July. Per sources the cleanup. was planned And then they went ahead and took care of it afterwards. Middleton in 33 games. Averaged about 15, 4, and 5.
But as I saw one tweet mention, if he was doing 24, 6, and 6. in the playoffs against the heat on a cooked knee. I think there's some optimism here. I've kind of been going back and forth. on what I think the next five years of Chris Middleton's career are going to look like.
This is coming back to a situation with the way the NBA salary cap works is that the Bucs are better off signing him Than they are letting him go. It's another situation where you can't really, if you have more money to spend on Chris. The money that you can spend on Chris, you can't necessarily spend elsewhere. And that was the situation with that last. Supermax.
You know, um Scott Walker's buck slogan was: it's cheaper to keep them. Which I mean, that was good marketing because for people that hated the box, what he was telling people was. Even if you don't think we deserve a team. It actually is going to be cheaper for the state and help us better. If we just keep them.
I mean, losing them would not We're not going to make up what the Bucks are going to. Give us. And that's kind of like it's cheaper to keep. Chris Middleton, or it's that's it's kind of like the same philosophy, maybe not necessarily. cheaper because you do have to pay them.
But You're going to have to.
Now, he's only 31. I think a lot of times when we have this discussion, my brain thinks he's 34 or 35 already. I understand that. Um You know, he might play more like a 34 or 35-year-old just because. He's been hurt a lot.
And so there's been a lot of wear and tear on that body. But I mean, if I could tell you right now. If I could tell you right now what Middleton this year. Yeah.
Was he played 33 games in the regular season? That's it. If he could give me that every year and then 24, 6, and 6. in the playoffs at 35 minutes a game in the playoffs. I would pay The 30 million for I mean, what's he gonna cost?
What are they gonna work for him? Four and one twenty I think would be holy shit. Because that's only 30 a year. You know, like Chris is making more than that. It's not often that you go backwards, but let's say I think I saw Nathan Marzion throw that out of the green and growing podcast, Odyssey.
Steve. If you could go 4120, I mean, I would. Because the regular season situation. I don't need Chris playing the regular season. I don't need mileage being put.
Chris Middleton in the regular season. And I don't think that inserting a guy like Chris Middleton is going to be too much like, oh, the Bucs are playing good until. Another Shooter came in. Another guy that knew how to shoot the ball well came in. No, I mean Ball Let them cook, man.
So if you were telling me that I could pay him $30 million a year. And put him in bubble wrap and play him a third of the regular season and then get 25, 6, and 6 from him in the playoffs. That is a no-brainer to me. Yes, I'll do that. I would do it.
If you're telling me you want to play him 80 games in the regular season. I mean, I don't know. I think to lengthen this guy's career, like again, the regular season, what does it fucking matter if Chris is playing 70 games? He's streaky as it is anyway. You know, Chris is not a guy who's going to contend for these all-NBA.
First team. MVP stuff where you have to play 65 games. If you bring Chris back. You you heavily load managed that guy. And you extend his career.
Fuck, I'd almost have it do like what Roger Clemens did when he went down to Houston. He only pitched in home games. Reggie White with the Panthers only played in home games. Just don't have Middleton travel. Air travel is not good on the knee.
I'm not being facetious. I think This is not, these are words that I did not have planned to come out of my mouth. This is all this is all on the fly. I don't prepare for this. This is just happening.
And I really think it's a good idea. I'm smiling right now. I'm very proud of my idea. Bubble wrap this guy. And in my head, when I put out ideas, I'm trying to think what would the...
you know, opposite reaction B, but I don't see a downside to it. The regular season shit. Who cares?
Well, you're not going to pay him just to play 30 games in the regular season. Why not?
It's the regular season. It doesn't matter. Plus, it's more time for these other guys to play. And see what we have in them. What's uh what's his name?
Who's the guy? Get Hugo Bassan over here. Have him play Chris's minutes. One thing that I would do if my knees hurt, and what I've been doing because my feet have hurt, I either have had the gout go to my feet. Remember when I thought I had gout?
I either do or... I broke a bone and I'm walking on a broken heel. Because I'm in pain. That's why I've been taking some of the CBD gummies, helps me out. That's where the that's where I should get the body cream.
I didn't pick up any of that last time I was in there. That was a huge L by me. But I did get the THC. Um Free ones for the morning. That I take.
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A few more voicemails. Here. This one's from Bark guy. Uh He wants to correct me. All right.
That's what we're here for. Spark got here. These things listening to you, Grant and Paul. I do want to start pointing out a lot of times you will incorrectly use words. I just want to correct Jen, something you said you were listening to the Dave Ramsey Sachs.
The saxophone solo in you. We're entrenched in it. I I think you meant entrance there.
Okay. I know that uh You may get away with entrenched. But you Entranced. Two, solve all. I mean, that's a dicey one.
Like, I get your point of view from the previous episode where you're talking to Tim about it, but like. You gotta give it to the kids. It's called Experience. I think there's one conditional, one conditional need. If your kid, is between the ages of like Four, five, and seven, eight, and they've never even seen a major league ball, then yeah, you gotta hold on to it.
You can give it to them. But other than that, like, Have they even seen one? I have an idea. If I get a ball and I'm going to. Game and he's not with me, getting next to me, gets it.
It's the experience of getting that ball in your hand after it. It being there.
So I don't think it's an overstep. You gotta get the ball to the kid. And then finally, a bit disappointed even as a non-Packer fan. How can we make the argument that Mount Rushmore is all of the suits? You wonder why everyone's anti-player.
And then we say that, yes, Bob Harla, great. It's press hard. It's Reggie White. That's what made that. Those guys don't do what they do and become who they are.
Bob Harlan can do whatever he wants. Same thing with Murphy. I am getting very frustrated with this Murphy turnaround or shining his reputation as he leaves town. such an underachiever. His farm handling was the worst ever.
Like he's just a clown. Like I just, you can't, it's the players. You have to keep your eye on the prize. It's always the players. It always will be the players.
And it comes down to the players. Forget the suit. Yeah.
I would agree. Take care.
Okay, I'm going to disagree with a couple of different things. When did Murphy start with the Packers? Uh right after the Favre drama. No, 2007.
Okay, so he was here for that.
So you're going to tell me. You're gonna tell me Mark Murphy. Want a Super Bowl. navigated Going from one Hall of Fame quarterback to another one, then navigated whatever, like if Jordan Love turns out to be. even remotely good.
That's another feather in Murphy's cap. That's huge. He got the draft here. There was there he probably, and this is the Packer way. I mean, if there's a heat culture, there's a Packer culture, which is hang on to guys way too long.
I understand that, which is kind of weird that Murphy apparently has to vacate his position by the time he's 70, since everybody else, you know, you can be here until.
Well, I didn't want to say you die, but. But Mark Murphy's kind of got to like, he's got to be out. He's got to go. And I do think, I mean, the title town district. No, I'm Sparka, you and I will have to have to talk about that one.
Face to face, mano y mano. go one-on-one. As they say, coming up on the Bill Michaels show, Bill goes one-on-one with A.J. Dillon. goes one-on-one.
That was a big Radio Joe thing. He likes saying goes one-on-one. He must have been taught that by.
Somebody. goes one-on-one. One-on-one. It's two people talking. Why do we gotta remarket why do we got why do we gotta remarket a conversation?
Coming up. Bart has a conversation. With Uh I don't know. Jacob Barnes. Tonight on the On Deck show, I go one-on-one.
With Jacob Barnes. No, I sheepishly put a microphone in his. sheepishly put a microphone in his face. One-on-one. Bart goes coming up.
I go one-on-one with Scott Grodsky. One on one. I spent some of my time on Thursday out at the Steffen soccer sale. That was fun. Big sale.
I should have bought some stuff, but I was there for work. On behalf of Milwaukee Pro Soccer. And because I was getting paid to be there, I then didn't want to spend money. While I was there. But then afterwards, I went to Target.
And Ottos. and spent money. But I didn't want to spend money. Where I was making money, but I now I might go back to Steffens to buy some stuff, although now I'm not making money. The I grew up.
I always yell at people for the weird way they compartmentalize money, but I think I fell into that trap.
So one of the names that I like, and I talked to some people at Stefan's Tall Boys. Uh milwaukee. What did the one guy like? 1846, Milwaukee. There's a lot of.
There's a lot of movement around that. I talked to the guy who submitted the Milwaukee Brigade name. Here's Matt in the Falls wondering what I'm talking about. Hi, Bart. It's me.
I don't understand. the good land or goodland thing for a team name whatsoever. Like, what is it? What does it mean? I get that it sounds nice and some people call this the Goodland or that's what Milwaukee means or something.
I don't know, but it's not the name of a team. It's not a thing. It's nothing. It's an idea. I feel like I'm on a science held episode because you can't name a team Goodland.
It's just like you can tell that I'm speechless because it just makes no sense. Like the team has to be a thing. It has to be like Lake Effect is a thing. And it's clever.
So that was really good. But yeah, Goodland, I just doesn't work for a team name.
So sorry. That's the way it is.
Well. Um there's a good land tattoo. And I've been pronouncing it Goodland. I feel like there's some European. Uh like goodlin would be like Goodland, but then the fans pronounce it Goodland.
I'll just stop saying Goodland. I think I'm throwing people off at Goodland. I want the team name to be Goodland FC. or Good Land Milwaukee FC. And that's like a derivative of forward Madison.
So maybe I've got that in my head because I've been doing stuff for Forward Madison. Forward, Madison, you would say is not a team name either, but that I think it works. Forward being the motto of Wisconsin. Forward Madison, and then they have. The flamingos, which is their You know, mascot.
And then they have the flock, which is their crowd section. I think that all works. I think Forward Madison is a good name. It doesn't have to be the Milwaukee Milwaukeeans. It can be.
Like Bayern Munich, I guess is what I'm thinking of. No goodland. I don't even know what Bayern Munich means. But they're my favorite German team. Because I went to Munich once, humble break, but then they won like thirteen in a row.
Hey, how about my hammers? They want some made-up trophy. Byrne Minchin. Byron Meaning I still don't know. Trying to look it up.
Anyway. Um Byron? What the fuck's Byron mean? Still don't know. But they call them the Bavarians, or they call them the Reds, or they call them.
You know, other stuff, but that's not their official name. I like Goodland Milwaukee. I think that's a great name. I'm very proud of it. And and I would root for I would root for you to come up with a better name.
Okay. Come up with a better name. By the way, Men in the Falls, next time you're on, we need to talk about what's going on in the falls, where they want to cancel libraries because people have money to buy books. I gotta talk about that. See where you stand on that?
important issue since You know, we We talk politics sometimes. on the show. I got another soccer voicemail. Regarding Messi. Massive, massive situation here.
This is uh Brian. They borrowed Brian from Brookfield. Um I just want to say, like, I think... that you think that a lot of your listeners don't like the soccer talk. But I think there is a lot more people people than you think.
I'm enjoying the Messi talk. I'm glad Messi's in the MLS. I wanted to hear all the contract obligations. Maybe I shouldn't keep listening, but the guy kind of cut you off and started talking about Lily Donaldson Bruce. Yeah, I love soccer.
I love international soccer, ETL, Bundesliga, all of it. I would like more of that. Peace.
Well, I want to talk more about this messy thing just to clear up. Like, the one thing that's pissing me off, and I get it, whatever. But people are like. Mercy to ML Us. Give me NFL comparison.
Message to MLS. What does mean in NBA term? How do you how can you not figure out what it means in what it means terms? Messi is The greatest, most beloved player right now. He's coming off winning a World Cup.
People go cocoa bananas for this man. He's coming to a league that's like 15th best in the world at tops. That's what it f I mean you don't God Why d why does minor shit piss me off? What does this mean in terms of major league sports that I'm familiar with? Yeah, it means a great player is going to a shitty league.
I mean what what what do you want? What do you want? Messi's going to come to the United States. It was going to be a big deal. People are going to People are going to be very passionate about getting to these games.
Now, the MLS, let me talk MLS for five minutes. God, I need, you know what? I need to just do a whole MLS stream of consciousness podcast, is what I need to do. Just to get everything out there. Cause I always like.
Talk about it for a few seconds and then. When the MLS was formed right away, they did start to, you know. Get guys that Retiring. Lotar Mateus was a famous one. He was a big German star.
Came to New York, played like four games. And it was a joke. You pay these guys a bunch of money, they come here and don't do shit.
Now there have been.
Some Really good examples recently where guys they don't necessarily come here to retire. But they play like their last good contract here. Although Gareth Bale, you know, he came over retired. New York City FC. Had a guy, David Silva.
Had a good run when he was in the United States. I thought. When Ibrahimovich came to the galaxy, he just... He just made he just embarrassed the whole league. He embarrassed everybody.
for how good he was and how much he just dominated everything that was going on here. He had 52 goals in 56 games. He was a monster. Wayne Rooney, I thought, did some decent stuff. Uh here So I think that These guys that are coming over, they want to play in the States and they want to.
retire It's not like they're coming here. you know, and can barely move. Terry Henry with the Red Bulls had a nice run, played in good enough form that got him back to Arsenal for a few games.
So it's not a retirement league. Yeah.
It might be your last contract, League, and then I might be, I guess. To be clear on that, it's Like, okay, Messi's 35. This will probably be his last deal. But it's not, I'm saying that's a good. They're coming here when they still have something left in the tank.
They're not coming here at 40 years old to get a paycheck and then suck.
So there is still contributions that these guys give you. And I think the MLS has done a better job. Of, I mean, the MLS has attracted some big, big names. And they've had some big, big impacts. The most of the league is made up of guys from this part of the world.
North America, South America. That when they're 22, 23, they get discovered overseas. And if they're not good enough, or if the level of play of what could take them somewhere else, they decide to stay here. I think it's a good developmental league. If you're looking at it in world terms, the league wants to be better.
I still think you have to go to some sort of promotion relegation before. things really get serious with a large section of of fans. I don't think it's fair that a team like the San Diego Loyal. Can exist in the USL, which we're going to get that Milwaukee team, and then they can just have a guy buy an MLS team there. If there's going to be an MLS team that would ever be in Milwaukee, it should be this club.
You can't have this club and then an MLS sit on there say, I want to, you know, that would be awful. But that is what happened in San Diego. Portland and Seattle, they have a rich history. They didn't They didn't get called up. They didn't get relegated.
They just were like, all right, we already have a team there with structure. Pay us a bunch of money. You could be in the MLS. I don't like the whole set of it. I also don't like how it's like into Miami and Real Salt Lake and.
DC United, and it's just a bunch of teams ripping off names. The naming structure is completely weird. There are, I think, Atlanta, Minnesota. There's a bunch of United's. It's weird.
There's a lot weird with the MLS. Maybe I'll do a podcast where I lay out everything. That changes. And another thing that people don't like about the MLS is how they're getting messy. Messi is essentially coming here.
What the MLS should do is abandon all salary capping and be a free-for-all. Because that's what the rest of the world is in soccer. And I know that that's like, oh no, but that's what baseball is, but that's what it should be. Because What it is, is it's overly protective of that. Or even if they went to some sort of different salary cap, but still allowed these teams to spend $300 million to make their roster, these rosters.
For some of these teams. Our Just awful. Like they barely make any money. And there's so many different. Ways that you can be, let's see, Miami's got a bunch of guys, their average salary is probably $375 million.
Wow, that'd be good. No, that's saudi money. Their average is like $375,000. And then they've got different like contract structures like. The gam is a structure.
The TAM is a structure. It's just like, oh God, I don't even like bringing this up. Because it's so Complicated. And then teams can like trade that. There's general allocation money that you can spend, there's a salary cap.
You can trade for guys. If they're over a certain age and have been in the league for eight years, then there's designated players, three guys that you can. Designate to pay more than the average sum. It's just all over the place. It's as hard as possible to understand.
And it's hard to even try to spit it out and say it.
So that's what bothers me. But Messi to get Messi over here because I mean, a lot of big clubs still want Messi at 35. The Saudis want to give him $400 million a year. Messi is going to get a cut of. Apple TVs.
Package. for people that subscribe and a cut of the sales from Adidas. And so essentially, they're taking away money that could go to these other leagues to give it to Messi. But Messi will drive subscriptions. Imagine if in the MLB you didn't have Valley Sports.
Imagine if you didn't have Valley Sports. You won't have to imagine that soon, but imagine if you didn't. Let's say you wanted to watch the Brewers. I want to watch the Brewers. I turn on Bally Sports.
Well, you can't do that. Because that there are no regional networks for the MLS anymore. You have to order The MLS package on Apple. to get your favorite team. And it's 15 bucks a month.
Bally Sport, you can watch the Brewers for 19 bucks a month, I believe. But you just get the brewers and the bucks. If you order it from MLS, you get all the games, everyone.
So if you're a fan of the Chicago Fire and you wanna watch the fire, you pay $15 a month. for Apple's product. And then, uh But you get all the games. It's not just exclusive to America.
So, there's going to be a lot of people worldwide that want to watch Messi. They're going to get a lot of international dollars. coming over here. This is going to be. This is going to bring in a lot of money to the MLS.
Will it increase ratings? I don't know. Like United States ratings, I don't know. I think this is going to end up getting more international subs. than it does uh national subs.
Guys, Messi is a god. to a lot of people. bigger than anything here. Whatever we think of LeBron or Jokic or Giannis. Or Brady or Mahomes.
Messi like swallows all those up, spits them out. Steps on the spit and creates a new life. Like, he's big, he is huge. He got inner Miami. Five million Instagram subscriptions in one day.
Yeah, it's just Instagram free click, but A lot of these people don't. They die for this man. I mean, Messi is. Messi is The guy. I don't even think we can comprehend what he is.
to a lot of people. So to get him is a massive. Massive deal. But I hope it helps infuse money into the league and makes the league better. And I want the league to succeed.
I want soccer in this country to succeed. And the way it's going to do that is with a viable MLS. But I wish MLS would work in tangent with the USL leagues, which are very good. And the MPSL leagues, which are great grassroots. Leagues, you know.
I wish it would do better with that, but it just. I don't know. I think Don Garber. He's the commissioner. God, I would just love to be the MLS commissioner, man.
I really would. I really would. So that's kind of like what's happening with Messi. It's weird. I think detractors of this say that MLS is not a serious competition.
Because Like the who cares who wins? All they're trying to do is get expansion fees and and get T V subscriptions. Like the MLS is not the MLS's goal is not to crown a champion every year, it's to get five hundred million dollars from the next sucker that wants to expand into the league. And it's to boost the Apple TV Plus subscriptions. That's they don't care like Other teams are sort of back door paying to have Messi here.
And that's uh That's weird for a lot of people. And it is weird. I think the I think the MLS is getting rewarded for bad behavior. The means are justified by the end. Because Messi coming to MLS is a fucking massive deal.
And whatever it took to get there. I think the MLS should be proud of that. Conference opponents have been named for the Big Ten. For next year and the year after. With USC And UCLA coming into The fold.
In 2024 The Badgers We'll host Indiana, Minnesota, Penn State, Purdue. They will play at Iowa, at Maryland, at Nebraska. At Michigan at USC. The following year, The Badgers will host. Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State, Ohio State, USC.
They will travel to Minnesota Northwestern Ruckers and UCLA. The Badgers every year will play Iowa and Minnesota no matter what. Those were some of the rivalry games kept in. The rest is going to be basically alternating.
So the Badgers will play USC. On the road next year, and then you can. UCLA on the road the year after that, but USC will come here. USC, Ohio State. See, this is why if the Badgers are going to do anything, they got to do it this year.
When the schedule is cake. And I know things will expand later, but The schedule is going to be a lot harder.
So I think this is the year. I know it's Fickles' first year. And he's not recruiting the big boys from Wisconsin the way that Pauly Chris did. But I think this is a Massive, massive year. for the Wisconsin Badgers.
The Milwaukee Brewers had a good thing going against the Baltimore Orioles. They won on Tuesday, then one on Wednesday. And a lot of write-ups about how it was the best win of the season. And then they were dominating the Orioles with the three first-inning runs on Thursday. And.
Then the Orioles scored. a shitload of runs at the end of the game. Brewers next will have the Oakland Athletics.
So we're all going to assume that's Three easy wins. Because the A's are terrible. Did John Singleton just start looking like Eric Thames, or was that always a thing? I mean, it looks like Eric Thames got recast. All right, Scott Grodzky is going to join us.
CBS 58. Sports reporter. And then we will wrap up with some flashback Friday. He's at CBS 58, so the requirement is when we talk to anyone from that wonderful station, they must be in their car as Tim Shea always is. Do you ever see Tim or no?
I saw him today because we were in early for a story at Aaron Hills, but not often. What is He looked like it, like while he's working. Does he look like he's. belongs or out of place or he dresses professional and it's a little it's a little weird not gonna lie to you when we got the initial email that that Tim was hired and there was like a professional headshot of him and I'm like Alright.
So so that's him. Yeah, that's Tim.
So good to see that. He's gainfully employed. How long have you been at 58? Time's a flat circle. Uh Seven years, eight years.
I want to say this will be my eighth Packer season. Oh wow. How like recognizable are you? Like do you get noticed in public? No, I'm not you.
That's that's uh That's Bart Winkler life goals, but I'm not quite there yet. When I did TV. I was on TV every day. Every day. for three years.
No one recognized me, ever. No one knew who I was because I wasn't the anchor, you know. You at least anchor the sports from time to time. But the last day that I left lacrosse I was in like Just a t-shirt, and I was at Menard's. renting a truck.
And I didn't give him my info yet. She goes, oh, I know you. You're Bart Winkler from WKBT. He's like, now I get recognized? Jesus.
Yeah, I uh occasionally hear, but not a ton. When I was My last job before this was in Rockford and I was the sports director of the number one station there. I got a lot more there. What are like your career goals? Like, do you want to work in the big city or are you just kind of waiting for Kevin Holden to die?
Milwaukee, not the big city. I don't know. My wife is from Bekwan area. I'm good in Milwaukee, and I'd prefer for Kevin to keep living. That'd be great.
Um honestly, Kevin Kevin Kevin's job's a little bit too much behind a desk for me anyway. If if I could keep doing my job but get, you know, like well we'll be conservative and say four times more money, then I'd then I'd be good. That'd be that'd be wonderful. You were at the Bucks press conference for Adrian Griffin. Um the Bucks like to do things As different as possible.
So instead of just having it I think the when they introduced Coach Bud, it was in the uh It was The Feiser wasn't even done yet, and so it was like in that structure. And then they do Adrian Griffin at some restaurant on like on like a table. But it seemed to go pretty well. I mean, how what were your reactions to To coach. Yeah, I think you hear all the time about winning the press conference, losing the press conference, and really.
There aren't many coaches that lose the first press conference. I was trying to spend some time thinking about any ones I remember that were just egregiously bad. Adam Gace and the Jets came to mind. And I know a lot of people were not thrilled with Matt LaFleur's first press conference. But otherwise, people usually Come off pretty well.
He knew what he was going to be asked. He was ready for the questions he was asked. I think that He talked a whole lot about creativity and adjustments. And I think that's pretty much what Bucks fans were waiting to hear. Um Given how some of this stuff went in the playoffs the past weekend.
He said the word adjustments, and that basically. That's all that Bucks fans need to be. Yeah, everyone was in. Everyone was all in at that point. Um But no, I talked to him a little bit more after the press conference about that because I know that's.
That's a huge thing that a lot of Bucks fans want to know about. It's something I wanted to hear about, if not just, you know. You can say you want to do adjustments, but One. is the plan for when do those types of things get considered? And he's not going to go into specifics of when they'll adjust against Steph Curry or whatever for.
before before any games are played, obviously, but but what he talked about was that uh he sorta learned that The game plan is not something you necessarily need to stick with right away or all throughout a game. He learned that through Nick Nurse. He learned that through the box and one that Nick Nurse ran against Jeff Curry in the finals. He told me that they had never run that in the game at all until the finals, and they still put it out because they needed. to try something else and and to me it was important to know when do you When do you cross the line between giving up on a game plan and switching to something else or not?
And he said that there's essentially two things that it'll come down to. Are we actually executing the game? plan and is there enough effort and if both of those things are happening and it's not working. Then you make your adjustments. And I think that You know, there were definitely some times, for better or worse.
over the past couple of years where The game plan was stuck to it, whatever it was. Mm-hmm. And maybe at times it it shouldn't have been changed. I don't know. It it's it always seems weird to dunk on someone on their way out.
But Noser also won a championship here. It's not like he's gonna be anywhere near as bad a coach as the Bart Winkler-led Firebud group may think he. Um But uh But yeah, I I think This is a group that would be more receptive to change in that way. Did you? I saw Mike Clemens at the presser was sitting by Myers Leonard.
In the next seat, did you sit by anyone or did you have your camera? I was with the camera, I was next to them for a minute and it was uh it was There was a brief minute where I'm panning over and I'm going like uh you know Joe Ingalls, Javon Carter, Myers Leonard. Hey, Mike, what's up? Are you doing? Mike's like, they just don't.
I don't know. They like. It feels like with the Bucks, they... They know a press conference is coming, and they're like, well, where should we do it? I don't know.
They have a designated space to do this stuff. And then. I just don't know that you should have Mike Clements sitting next to Myers Leonard. Yeah, they like sort of had a couple of seats in the front that were like kind of cordoned off, but not really, and then it was just. kind of there.
And uh Grayson Allen was there as well, but he was I think he was there for the start of the press conference, but he was there after the other players, so he ended up just standing in the back. I don't know. I don't think people noticed him until it was over.
Well, which is interesting with Leonards being a free agent and Clemens usually covering the Packers, it's like. Both times that they showed up, the reaction was, what are you doing here? What is your uh so you took you took the picture of Adrian Griffin that I memed and that everybody memed. right away, because he looks like that. You know, that kid.
It's a it's a deer in the headlights. Why what? Why did you post it? It's an awful picture of him. He was looking at me.
So you went to take a picture and he just looked at you? I took like two pictures. I might have taken three. One, he was looking at me, two, he wasn't. I posted it, I moved on, and then I found out that he looked like a deer in the headlights, and it's over.
Now that picture is going to be used forever. Yeah, I know. The internet's forever. Once someone said something, it's not like I'm going to delete it and it's going to go away. Like, it's up, it's done.
It's But don't you feel so here's what I'm asking There's a picture out there that's used a lot. It was used a lot. When, um When Jason Kidd would fuck up. And John Horse would look like stare him down. They were on, I took that picture.
So this picture got memed. And it's like I just, I don't know. I didn't do anything but take the picture, but. I just want the I don't need I don't need credit. No, I don't need to think but I want everyone to like I don't need credit every time, but I want everyone to know.
where the food was made. You don't have that same so you don't need credit, you just want you just want the credit. Yeah, I get it. You're not the same way? No, I don't care.
Yeah.
You gotta put your name on shit, Scott. We can't all be as selfish as you. When you're ever on WMLW doing the sports, do you know nobody's watching? Uh no, I know that we are uh generating more views uh through every show. And uh Very excited for that.
Yeah.
Okay. What is your uh What's your favorite Thing to cover? Uh, probably when I'm shooting the NFL games, um, 'cause it's uh I Most of my stuff is on air at this point, but I also came up shooting all my own stuff and To me, there's nothing really better than being on the sideline for an NFL game and actively. Shooting it. I was there, like I was on the sideline for the Cowboys playoff game with Jared Cook catch.
Um The last conference championship game didn't really go so well, but it's. It's just so much faster and bigger when it's down there and it's It's a very unique experience. One of the games against the Texans, I think it was like six years ago. It was a nothing game. But I was shooting it and it was snowing at Lambo and I'm like, huh.
Alright, this is this is kind of why you do it. Uh 'cause you you know as well as I do whether it's, you know You're wonderful. Just intrepid news reporting in lacrosse. uh or any of the radio stuff since like they're There are a lot of sacrifices that go into doing this job. There are a lot of things that are.
Not ideal in terms of schedule at times, pay. There's just, there's a lot of stuff that comes with this profession. And then there's stuff like that that is the reminder of how cool this job is and why I'm. I am so lucky to be doing it. Yeah, you kind of do like.
I didn't get paid anything at the radio, but I got to be able to. Be in the locker room with the brewers and stuff, you do kind of get paid in experiences a little bit, even though that won't keep the lights on and your wife questions your existence every day. There is a there there is that that is an allure though. Yeah, I mean and honestly the the stuff that comes with the job is like 30 on the list of things my wife questions about me every day, so it's it's no big deal. I remember that game with the Texans vividly because I watched it with my grandpa.
No god. And then he died the next day.
Okay. That's that's the fact. That's just the magic. I don't know what to do with that. I'm very sorry.
That's nice. I haven't talked about this enough. The I'll save it for another day. It's not your story to bear, but. My grandpa got fucked.
The health system fucked him. Like, he should be, he shouldn't have died. What happened? He had like a staph infection or something and then They immediately stuck him with. The people that are like They didn't they didn't like They thought He had something that was treatable and they thought he was dying.
And so the care got real shitty real quick. Mm. I'm sorry. He'd probably be dead by now anyway, but. She's What if I charge a few more games or though?
You know? Uh yep.
Well you'll always have the Texans game. What's Yeah. Um, what's your least favorite thing to cover? Oof. Um I got nothing.
I don't know that there's anything here that I really don't like covering. I mean, I... When I was in North Dakota when I was in Rockford before, were there times where, you know, doing some of the Legion baseball kind of stuff could get a little like, all right, I'm ready to be done. Sure. There's not really much much of that here.
Like, I wasn't joking for like, is Milwaukee not a big city? I realize that it's not Chicago, but. I I I've lived in North Dakota. I've covered the preliminary races at a track that no one's heard of for 400 people.
So, you know, I I'll I'll gladly take any random Marquette game, Admiral's game, Brewer's game, any of that kind of stuff. Like, it's, we are. We are very lucky, the sports scene that is in Milwaukee and Wisconsin as a whole, and we've also been very lucky during the The time I've been here, that with a couple of exceptions, we've had very good teams pretty much across the board. There haven't been as many. championships is maybe there there could have been or should have been.
Uh but I I'll take I'll take like four or five of the Packers seasons we've had over the one where I was watching Brett Huntley any day. Mine was either in La Crosse. There was a ski jump event every year. which was a cool event. And it was fun when I would shoot on the bottom, but I also had to get shots from the top, and the only way up was to walk up nine flights of stairs.
Okay. Uh the other one was And I don't know how much it's done around here, but High school football, we covered every training camp in lacrosse like it was the Packers. And so we're interviewing. The secondary coach for La Crescent about how he thinks his guys will be in the seven on seven league. And it's like What are we doing here?
Just because Bob's chicken shop is a big sponsor of our nine o'clock. over the bridge in La Crescent. Uh yeah, I mean for for me that was uh it it was similar type stuff when when I was in Rockford during the build-up to high school football, we would do two a days and we would do features on two teams every day for. What, three weeks? And it's not that I didn't like covering high school football.
I like covering high school football. I wish there was more coverage of high school football here. When it is back-to-back-to-back days of High school football, high school football, high school football, and there's only so many different times you can hear someone saying that, you know. Our senior class, it's really special. The seniors, they're just like brothers.
You hear the same stuff over and over again, then it gets very monotonous and very, uh. ready to be done with it.
So that that kind of stuff I don't necessarily miss. Yeah.
Nobody understands what it's like in this locker room. Yeah, no, no. The brotherhood that us Falcons have, it's just, it's far better. Yeah, cut to five years later when you, as the wide receiver, see the guy that played offensive line in the grocery store in your hometown, and you like, Kevin. Deal.
Yeah.
So thankfully I don't have that problem 'cause I was never remotely athletic enough to play anything.
So, you know. I have to deal with it. Scott Grodsky. Where to? I feel like we're cut from Maybe not the same cloth, but Similar material.
Got a little awkward there. That's all right. Gonna be awkward if Father's Day if He looks on that doorstep and doesn't see all my hot steaks there, especially if he's a listener of the show. He's gonna be like, son. I've been listening to Barton.
I thought that, I mean, that deal. Do you not love me for $99? You don't love me? All you had to do. Let's go to omahasteaks.com.
And type Bart in the search bar and get the $99 deal. I didn't get my dad Omaha steaks. My brother did. With the code.
So I'm going to give him something different. But Wouldn't that be the real surprise? Because that's what he's expecting, just one of the kids. To get Omaha steaks. What if all four of us?
Got him on my hot steaks. That'd be a lot of stakes for not a lot of money. And then be four great uses of that promo code part. Omaha Steaks.com. Father's Day sale.
Get it to the doorstep. You send your mom flowers, you send your dad meat. What's better than that? OmahaSteaks.com promo code is BART. Let's go into the weekend with a little flashback.
You'll hear Ryan Horvat here. I don't know. I have the audio. Why not?
Alan on the north side. Calls in I'm not really sure why he called in. But we talked to him for nine minutes. And I feel like I got rid of him too soon. Another error on my part.
Have a good weekend, everybody. Alan's on the north side. Alan's a... Alan's a legendary color. I never know how to describe Alan, though, to those of you that have never heard one of his colors.
He's like a fine wine. His colors get better with age. Yeah, Alan's got a hot wife and he never wore a mask, right? That's a hell of a bio. Yeah.
I mean, wouldn't that describe you if I could describe you in two sentences? Very much. I just think life should be fun, man. Me too, Al. Yeah, because when I was the worst thing about this whole pandemic is, I was walking around in a grocery store once.
It was aisle six, and I was trying to pick out a can of corn. And I was like, I wish my face was showing for freedom. Oh yeah, you know what? I had a girl the other day, a woman came up to me at a store. And he started to give me a mask.
And I said, wait a minute. What are you talking about? I'm checking out. I chose self-checkout. I'm not wearing a mask.
She goes, Well, that's how we have conversations. I said, Ma'am, I don't talk to people. I don't want to talk to you. I mean, what the hell's going what the heck's going on?
So, you know, the first thing about the scam demic is I don't accept it. I refuse to. And I go to enough places where You know, like I was somewhere and somebody did something else to me and the manager, I didn't say the name of the store, Nordstrom's, come running up and she was like, Blah, Mr.
So and so, are you okay? And I was like, Well, yeah, I said, But this person is is, you know, making faces at me or something. And it could have been 'cause I had my dog with me and she was all dressed up in matching clothes. But yeah. You know, I just don't go.
But anyway, we were talking about maps, you guys. I just told you. Yeah, maps, not mask. I'm sorry. You called about maps.
I thought you said mask. I'm sorry. You meant mask. Yeah, Horvat said maps, and then I traded. Bart doesn't believe me, Alan, that people used to use maps back in the day.
Exactly. I don't rely on the thing that talks to me. First of all, just my wife's phone. I don't carry a phone. I don't drive around in the cars.
They have all their computer stuff. It's nobody's business what we do. Right. And uh You know, Joe Biden ain't going to tell me nothing. He didn't give me no notes.
I didn't get that check. I've been retired.
Somehow, I didn't even qualify, which I wouldn't have took. Last time we cut one in half. My wife got one, cut it in half and sent it back. But I don't even get a thank you from Joe Biden.
So that's you know, and other things I do. Hey, uh, let me cut in and ask you something real quick. What are you talking about? I'm talking about the call you. You got a check and you cut it in half?
Oh, yeah, that stimulus check. We didn't want that crap. God, I would have taken it. Why? Then you could have had it.
I wouldn't get. That's not. What is $1,000 going to do for me? Alan, Bart's the kind of guy that asks for handouts, man. He's the kind of guy that takes days off.
I know he does. And Bart takes days off. He's not a good red-blooded American like guys like you and I, Alan. We've never taken a day off. You know what?
I'm going to tell you a good story about it. I played game six of the finals with a flu. Let me tell you something. I didn't compete in sports. I was like into spelling bees and stuff.
Yeah.
But I got into martial arts and I did some, I used to do competitions when I was younger. Yeah.
My daddy was an extremely, extremely scary guy. Um I would have never guessed. No, I mean, if you met him, you would know he was in the South Pacific and owned businesses, the whole nine yards. But uh my mother was a very dainty Beautiful young uh beautiful woman. And she would never raise her voice.
But mom and dad would always dress, you know what I'm saying? My daddy always wear a suit, no matter what. Yeah.
But he'd get mad, though.
Somebody, and what they didn't understand about daddy, and my mother'd have to say, she'd say, Earl, And my daddy would take off this. As soon as he took off his tie, it was on. Yeah.
And I remember once we were going, we had a place up north, but we still do, but you know, we used to drive up there, and somebody tossed a pup. This is all true.
Somebody tossed a pup. Out the window, we started screaming and yelling. We're just little kids, and this car kept driving. And you can see my daddy's knuckles on the And it's and a wheel just. And my mother was like, Earl, no.
And my daddy just followed this guy, right? I mean, literally followed just blank. We got to a gas station, and I will never forget what happened. My daddy got out of the car, and this man did not have a clue what was going on. And when daddy left him, It was a great moment to be a young man, let's just put it that way.
He left that man a smoking mess. Cheers. And that's how that's the pop I grew up with. Like my wife will tell me. She goes, I'm never afraid when I'm with you.
And I'm like, I ain't. And she met my daddy the first time. She said, I've never been scared of anywhere in my life. How in God's green earth does someone like you listen to someone like me? She says, I love your show.
I can't stand Jay Weber. He's just an idiot. Yeah.
Well, what about Clayton? You guys are on in the morning. You're fantastic. You're hilarious. You're the man, Alan.
You're not just about sports, you're about entertainment. Hell yeah. Yeah, we like the stuff too. Yeah, stuff some wrestling, entertainment. Yeah.
So, wait, what did that have to do with martial arts, though? That's that's you're you. I still do. I practice. It's called it's on Coke and I'll style Show Ray Rule.
You know, me and you, Alan, are actually a lot more alike, I think, than people realize because we have similar backgrounds. I was also in karate tournaments as a kid. Funny story, my mom, Lucille, we actually moved, people don't know this about me, from New Jersey to Los Angeles. And our handyman was kind, he was humble, he was an immigrant named Mr. Miyagi.
And uh who I studied with for real. Cut him off. This is a good story. I would totally watch it. I didn't even get into the part about the Cobra Kai yet.
If this was a movie, I'd totally watch it. I stay with a man named Reverend Foster. Google him sometime. He was the first Occidental to teach the style he did in the United States. Down in Kenosa, Wisconsin.
A lot of guys I that I studied with off teach now. They have their own dojos and such.
So, anyway, I befriend this girl. Her name was, uh, man, Allie. Last name was Mills. Uh, she was a high school cheerleader. It drew the attention of her arrogant ex-boyfriend.
Guy's name was Johnny Lawrence. Real, you know-what Alan. He was a black belt, top student from the Cobra Kai dojo. He studied a vicious form of karate. Him and the Cobra Kai gang, they continually were bullying me.
One night on Halloween, I sprayed some water on Johnny with a hose. Him and his. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll tell the story later on. Yeah, well, Beltu now, you know, Beltru overrated, my friend. That's the first thing we learned.
True. They're overrated. Do you remember your Kai? Your forms don't matter in a fight, you know that. Yeah.
And the first thing we learned in boot camp too was uh in bayonettial you just go right at the guy.
So, do you think that the, who's going to defend Kevin Durant in the I don't watch basketball because I'm not woke. And when one time I got in a fight, and for some reason, the dude, like, it was all, it was like, you know, a fight's anything goes. This is actually a true story. And for some reason, it's like the first time I'm ever in a fight, and the guy goes to take off his shirt.
So, you know what I did? I waited, and as soon as that thing was over his head, I popped him right in the face, and it was over. That's how you do it. Yeah, that's how you find it. What is the guy doing?
A guy called my wife a blank. We live in a sketchy area. Three in the morning. And he called my wife. He backed me.
I was trying to get a thing at the Hindu marathon, get some gas.
So the guy pulls in, and he wanted me to back up, and I'm not backing up.
So we had had a few adult beverages. Right. And this guy told me this. He told me the old man, blah, blah, blah. And it started, but it's over here, man.
Shut the blank up.
So my wife said to him, she said, hey, you know, he's gonna my husband's gonna hurt you.
So, one thing looks like I dislocated this clown's elbows. This y'all who called the police on me. Ellen, I gotta get you a break, unfortunately. Ellen, have a good weekend, bud. They tried to charge me with a hate crime, dude, for real.
All right, thanks, buddy. Have a good one. Thank you for calling. Alan, ladies and gentlemen. Version of the home game will be sent to your front door.
You know what's wild is that Alan. Like, you know, like on Stern's show. Like uh Hank and all those guys. Were they all like bits? Like they were characters, right?
I don't know. Like Beetlejuice? RIP. I get mad when people like Alan call in because I get mad at myself for not coming up with this kind of content. For like not having an Alan that you just made up?
Yeah, like I think that some of the people that call in, like, I should be clever enough to have made that up, but that was a real guy. You know, I just, you know, the funny thing is, is that Alan, I just spoke to Alan longer than I've talked to my father in the last month. And I realized that's a problem. And maybe it's time for me to kind of. Or as Alan would say, his daddy.
Yeah, my pops. Like Alan's pops, though. See, my dad, it wasn't the tithe. When my dad got mad, he would just give this look. And I just knew it was over.
Everybody's dad has that look. But Alan uses maps still. He doesn't trust Siri. You know, Siri works for the government. He didn't get vaccinated because obviously they put a chip in your brain, like Johnny Mnemonic or Mnonic, whatever that movie was with Keanu.
Oh, lots unpacked there. We learned a lot about Alan today. He was in karate tournaments as a child. His dad, I think he told us that his dad murdered somebody at a gas station. Is that if not murder, pretty close?
Yeah, like, oh, imagine just, hey, hey, son, you want to go to the ball game? Yeah, sure, dad. And then all of a sudden, somebody cuts him off and he's like, hey, we got to make a pit stop. And your dad just. Beats a man with his bare hands.
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