We're driven by the search for better, but when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. Don't search match with indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform, with over 350 million global monthly visitors, according to Indeed data, and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates fast. Leveraging over one hundred forty million qualifications and preferences every day, Indeed's matching engine is constantly learning from your preferences. Join more than three point five million businesses worldwide that use Indeed to hire great talent fast.
And listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at Indeed.com slash BlueWire. Just go to indeed.com/slash blue wire right now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Indeed.com slash blue wire, terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? You need indeed.
Go! Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler. Welcome to the Bart Winkler Show. Tell your friends, like, and subscribe.
We're in like and subscribe season. Tall Emmax here. Grant Bills is here. Goodbye. Good boy background!
Good boy! Smash that like button, Mark. Smash that like button. Tell a friend. Bring it up, bring it up in casual conversation.
Be like. Like uh the other day I was talking about um You know Dads and I, when we get together at these kids' birthday parties, we come at a stalemate of things to talk about.
So, you got any trips coming up? They'll say, and I'll be a trip every day to the wacky fun zone of Bart Winkler podcast. That's what you got to say. And I heard on the wacky Bart Winkler podcast. I mean, I'm not taking a trip, but I know Tim Shay's going to Madison before too long.
There's a conversation.
Now we're talking about Madison and we're talking about Tim. Yeah, I heard on the Bart Winkler show. Oh, what's that? What? Didn't that guy get fired for being a lib?
No, no, the station actually just went away because of stuff at the corporate level. He's actually back with the company and thriving for CBS Sports Radio, but nobody ever fucking mentions that. I don't have a soliloquy. I know I always say that and then talk for 10 minutes. I would like to recongratulate the Denver Nuggets.
Um they won. We have a kickoff topic that kind of crosses into that territory.
So maybe that's perfect. I did feel for them today because I, you know, it's Denver, Denver, and I'm like, Denver, shut the fuck up. And then they win. I'm like, you'll get all your glory when you win. And they were.
I was Jokic having a, hey, I don't want to go to the parade. That's funny. I'm throwing this guy into the pool, Jamal Murray. That's funny. Oh, this guy, you know, their cores together.
Now we're talking, could this be a dynasty? This is the stuff that comes. That you had to wait for, but it's the stuff that comes when it comes. And then, and then. And then Mad Dog Russo's like, yeah, well, they're not as good as the 86 Celtics.
So I don't want to sweep them in four.
Well so but okay. Why is that dude on TV? Is he still relevant? He's got the Mad Dog Sirius channel. That's wonderful.
But, like, does he got MLB every day? He's got a show on MLB, network. Does he know NBA? Like, why is he referencing the 86 fucking Celtics to like pay $10,000 a show that he does with Stephen A? Ugh.
Yeah. Gross. Just waiting. People hear what me and Paul get once a week for doing this pod with you. Yeah.
Paul gets nothing, and I don't feel guilty about it. Grant gets nothing, and I'm like, eh, should I give him a buck or two? Grant gets topics for his show. That's facts. That's very true.
Yeah. That money goes to the fund for Tim's trip. That's where all the money is. We're all trying to raise money for Tim.
So we will start on like the NBA Nuggets With a bucks adjacent spin on it. But I do want to tease, and you guys don't even know this. I'm not going to let Mount Rushmore go yet. We're going to conclude with a Mount Rushmore topic. I love Frank.
And I promise you could have like... A pretty solid number of guesses about what we'd be Mount Rushmore, and you wouldn't get it.
So there's my team. I just also want to say that in my house, we say what the Frank now instead of what the fuck.
Well that's good, that's progress. Because we my son swears a lot. Good. My fault. No.
I guess my wife was trying to help him go to the bathroom the other day, standing up, and then. There was a mistake, and he told her, You fucked up. We had some driveway work done and The guy's name was Frank. My kid took a nice liking to him, so We've turned fuck into Frank. That's good.
That's good. Go ahead. Mount Rushmore of No, no, that's last. No, stay tuned. Frank Lloyd Wright.
Stink Frankstanza. Oh my god, how did you know? How did you know? No, we're gonna. That's for the end.
So, Frank and Stein. Did you guys know? That The monster is not named Frankenstein. I've heard this. The doctor is Frankenstein.
Yeah, it's Frankenstein's monster. Monster, yes. We just all call the monster Frankenstein. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
This big. Ah, Paul. Nikola Jokic. He's 28 years old. Mm.
Yannis, Adada Kumbo is twenty eight years old. Very different players. Very different skills, very different body types. Fast forward five years, they're both thirty-three years old. The player who will age better.
The player whose game will age more gracefully and will still be Close to their current level of performance when they're currently 28. at age thirty three between Jokic and Yanis. The player who will still be closest to their prime, the player who's Game will age better. Is he honest? Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. I test you. I love that you're both thinking about it. You know how I love to test these out. My favorite ones I test out with some buddies.
This one got a total 50-50 reaction.
So Your pondering here lines up with the split. First of all, I want to say, I want to. Uh still Yet again from Armin. over at the game. Uh because he had uh thought or you put it out there is like.
Is Jokic's Lack of celebration. Like you know. It's it's funny, you know, this guy's one of those parade. Is that just him or is that like, is that what winning is now? Where winning is a relief.
We've talked about this as fans. Winning's a relief. It's losing that you don't want to do. No, so I'm going to answer that while you guys continue to ponder the Jokicianist question. I sent this to a couple of bodies, and I didn't send it to the two of you because I thought we might talk about it.
Exactly how I would have, and how like I don't know how to. Party. I don't know how to let loose. I'm more, I'm not gonna, like, you're not gonna see my exuberance in my head. I'm like going for it.
Outside, you're not going to see that. You're going to kind of say, why isn't he more excited? And in my head, I'm like, Having like the best time of my life, but you're not going to see that. You're going to kind of see me like very casually shake the bubbly, but like it's going to kind of be like, Do I really have to? Is this what celebrating is?
So I felt weird. What happened in your childhood that? makes you fear um It's just like when the Bucs won the title. Or something with your parents. I don't know, man.
But when the Bucs won the title, I was like.
Okay, cool.
So this offseason is going to be interesting. I'm saying, like, within minutes of the Bucks winning.
So, anyway, I. My so Jokic celebrating air quotes celebrating the way he celebrated. I've never felt more seen. This is my jam. This is how I would meet it.
So I don't think he's put, I mean, I'll, I'll. Kind of use myself to explain Jokic. I don't think he was doing anything. I just think that's. That's how some of us super cool dudes are.
When the Bucs won the title, you showed less emotion than Jokic? What kind of emotion did you show in the books on the title? None? How? Because I just don't, that's just not how I'm programmed.
I don't know. You want to know what kind of emotion I think I remember. When the Bucs won the title? Uh I will uh Are there pictures of you running down your You don't need to take your shirt off. I mean Yeah.
That Romi Oh my god. Look at me, I'm crying. Yeah, I shed some tears. All right, all right, all right. All right, then that guy says stuff that.
I shouldn't I have on a show with Grant right now. That's a more normal reaction.
So, me and Jokic were the outliers, but we do exist. There are dozens of us Dozens Hey, you actually got the voice a little bit too. That's pretty good. Thank you. All right, so Yannis or Jokic, next okay, so all right.
Five years from now they're both thirty-three years old. They're both obviously right now in their prime. Two of the best players in the world, two probably the two or three best players in the world. Giannis' game will age better. Giannis will be closer.
Closer to who he is now when he's 33 than Jokic will. Or that the answer is Yannis. That he will if you want to see that great uh video of that, you can check out the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. Of course, danshaney.com. New website, thanks to the guys at SunAnt Interactive, SunAnt.
Dot com. Uh but damn shaney. Good guy. Um let me think here. I'm trying not to come at this as a I wanted to I wanna say Yanis.
So first of all, I wanna say Yanis, because he's our wall. And that I realize is why I've been so mad about Jokic is because it's one of it's like It's sometimes you're you're praising Jokic and you're tearing down Yanis. That's what happens a little bit. But body type-wise, you would think, well, Jokic is out of shape, but he's not. He's just.
Like, he's like Kevin Owens. Is Kevin Owens fat? Would you call Kevin Owens fat? If you saw him on the street, you might say, I think he's a little overweight. But he's more athletic than 89.5% of America.
Presumably, he's in great cardio shape. He has long, great matches. In Giannis, you think wear and tear, you think maybe some knees, you think maybe some ankles. I would have to say Jokic. How'd I say mm-mm, say Jokic?
Okay. From the way that they play. If we've just taken everything we've ever talked about and then put it into this question, we always say that there is no off switch for Giannis. The way he plays game one is the way he plays. game one of the regular season is the way He plays game six in the NBA Finals.
Jokic. I'm not, it doesn't even really look like in the whole finals he broke a sweat. He moves methodically. 25, 10. No, he's putting up like 25, 15 and 8.
Mm-hmm. without breaking a sweat.
So I think I don't know. I mean, I wanted to say Giannis, but. It might be Jokic. Jokic, Jokic is, I think Jokic is putting less pressure. On Well, Giannis Donks and all that stuff, Jokic is putting less pressure on the pressure points.
I would say, Jokic.
So, Grant, I know you're going to agree because I saw you're nodding and you're. I want you to go quickly. The only thing I want to say is a counter. Is when Jokic is 33, if he maintains the same general body type, which is probably safe to say he will. When when let's say Jokic is 15% slower.
in five years. Is that 15% like huge? Like, if he gets 15% less laterally quick. Is that the difference? Like, is that a big difference?
Or does his methodical play style. override the fact that A bigger guy, a larger human, will likely As an athlete is concerned, age worse, right? Bigger people will not age as gracefully for the most part. And so, even like a 10 to 15 percent decrease in Jokic's lateral skills, I don't, I'm, I'm, that's a devil's advocate question. I don't know, but that would be my counterpoint: is to say, like, Jokic is already obviously methodical in his movement.
If he gets slower in the next five years, how detrimental is that? I don't know. Anyway, Grant.
Well, I agree with Bart. It's not Giannis. If we take 15% away from Giannis and we take 15% away from Jokic. Athleticism and speed and power and all those things. Jokic has tools in his toolbox right now to compensate with that.
I don't know that Giannis does. The comparison that I thought of was. Like Tim Duncan. Like Tim Duncan aged really well because he was really good at the little things. He was good with his footwork.
He didn't really play out of control.
So I think of Jokic as Tim Duncan a little bit. And I think of Giannis more as Shaq, someone who's overpowering, throw you out of the way. The problem with Shaq as a comparison is Shaq was notorious for not. Being in shape and really not maybe doing all of the things he could have done to prolong his career and protect his body. And that's not Giannis.
So I'm interested to see how Giannis ages because Giannis is to me. A more modern Shaq, but also has all of the personality, the work ethic traits that Shaq didn't have.
So, how would have Shaq aged if he wasn't? If you take Shaq's body and you put Kobe Bryant's mentality in there, which I think is kind of what Giannis is in a slightly different body. Yeah. I don't know if we'd seen a player like that. Age.
Like I Giannis is not Shaq. Upstairs.
So, how does that age? I'm interested. And not only physically, but does Giannis have the work ethic and does he have the capability to add tools into his toolbox, maybe that Shaq was never interested in adding or didn't need to add? That's going to be another big factor as well.
So, I'm not saying Giannis can't age well. I just think if everything were to stay static, Jokic, you would have to say, would age better at this point, right?
So who are some guys I have two names off the top of my head, but I'll let you guys answer it as well. Who are some Jokic body types in the NBA over the past 25 years? I'll tell you two that have come to my mind: Al Jefferson. and Kendrick Perkins.
Okay. So like Clearly Jokish, like, you know, one of the best players. In a long time.
Okay. Not trying to compare their skills whatsoever, but I don't know. I I like the Tim Duncan thought. I had I had not. Maybe I should have.
That seems like an easy connection. I had not put that together, Grant. I think that's a good one just because they're both fun.
Well, Tim Duncan was the big fundamental, right? Yeah. Jokic is so fundamentally sound, has such such soft touch around the rim. Um But Duncan was tall and thin and lean and Um I don't think Jokic. Like, I don't think Jokic is some fat slob.
No, not at all. And it's not intended as that, but he's also seven feet tall. You know, so it's like. Uh you know, how how much does the I don't. I guess it's like, so do any other names come to the mind?
Like, who else has had the Jokic body type? I mean, oh my God. Omas. That's a Devi. I'm not thinking an NBA, guys.
I mean, Kevin Owens was a really interesting comp, to be honest, Bart. I thought that was really good. Perkins. Here's a more fun question. Perkins, yeah.
What is Jokic more likely to do with his body post-playing days? Is he going to be one of these offensive linemen who lose 100 pounds and look great like Joe Thomas? Or is he just going to. marshmallow himself up. Like Barkley.
Although Barclay's slimmed down now in recent months, in the last year or so. Yeah. Probably the latter. You think it'll get bigger? I mean, we see his childhood pictures throughout the NBA finals.
I mean, it's just his body is, he's just a larger-bodied human.
So. I don't know. I'm not sure.
Well, either way. Let me say, I'm also going to say you shouldn't be judged on it. I know I was being. You know, devil's advocate with this Yankee. Can't lose weight right now.
So that's why I'm saying that. Yeah, get in the gym. I think the answer is Jokic.
So, not Giannis, it's Jokic. And we're riding off the high of Jokic dominating the NBA this playoff run. If this was two years ago, With Giannis, like maybe the ends would have been different, right? Because Jokic hadn't yet accomplished what he's now accomplished, and Giannis would be coming off the NBA Finals.
So, how much of that is recency? I don't know. But I'll be fascinated to see because they are clearly. I mean, I would tell, I would say they're the two best players in the world. They're the same age.
They were both drafted very late. Jokic, much later, but you know, still. Very different playing styles, very different skill sets, very different body types. I'm going to say they're the opposite of each other. They're the exact opposite of each other.
And it's cool because now they both have two MVPs. And then they overcame, and shortly thereafter, after we thought, oh, they're a regular season player. We stopped giving them awards. And then they overcame and they succeeded on the high stage. It's really cool.
Like, I don't really have qualms with. Jokic, it's cool to see another foreign player overcome and kind of take the same steps that Giannis has taken. It's cool. It's cool. And I think there's enough.
Food in the NBA for everybody to eat. Like, I think just look at the last three finals: Giannis accomplishing what he accomplished. Steph, although he had already won a couple of titles, accomplished something I think that was still very meaningful and added a chapter to his career. Whereas maybe the second title with Durant didn't. Like, I don't know if that was super additive.
Other than a number on his resume, I don't know if it told another chapter of his story. And then Jokic as well.
So I don't know. The last three championships have been. I've been interested in them to varied degrees, obviously, because my bucks were involved in one and You know who you always forget about, who I always forget about in that kind of discourse is Kawhi. Mm-hmm. Kawhi's want a title.
Yeah, he's won two titles. He's won two. Are we gonna talk about Spo today? Yeah, we're gonna do it.
Well, sure, let's go. I'll just take him in the first round of a 12-team fancy snake draft.
Well, not twelve team, but I mean if there's a thirty if you're doing all thirty 30 NBA teams. I was like, is there 30 or 32? He's so what let me tell you this. I would answer your question a little bit by saying. The Timberwolves have apparently made Carl Anthony Towns available on the trade block.
What I texted my NBA buddies about, and by the way, I purposely withhold some of these from our text group because I don't want you to know what I'm thinking about. Got to keep these things private until we silence Paul. That's right. Yeah, people weren't jealous enough of our. Three-man show, we also have a three-man text chain.
Wow, it's amazing, it's really good. Um, but the one thing I was asking now: text chain, I have to look at. Oh, sorry about that. Everything's a text chain. We're driven by the search for better, but when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all.
Don't search match with indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform, with over 350 million global monthly visitors, according to Indeed data, and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates fast. Leveraging over one hundred forty million qualifications and preferences every day, Indeed's matching engine is constantly learning from your preferences. Join more than three point five million businesses worldwide that use Indeed to hire great talent fast. And listeners of this show will get a seventy five dollar sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at Indeed dot com slash blue wire.
Just go to indeed.com slash blue wire right now and support our show by saying you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Indeed.com slash blue wire, terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? You need indeed. When the Timberwolves made Carl Anthony Towns reportedly available last week.
And Towns would probably be right on that fringe of being a first-round pick, right? If everyone was available, we did this a couple of weeks ago. And there's some of those lists that it says Carl Anthony Towns is like the 28th to 32nd ranked player in the world right now. And like, you know, Grant, we pulled up the Bill Simmons trade value chart.
So it takes into account youth and. Contract. At one point, Carl Anthony Towns was the number one answer on the anonymous GM survey about who you'd start a franchise with. That was not that long ago that he was at the top of that discussion, too. And certainly his playoff performances and you know And just general, like disappearing act that he pulls in big games.
Kind of soft personality.
So the question that I asked the guys was.
Okay, because one of them was, they were both not with me on Spo being a first-round pick if everyone was released. But I said, would. Who would say no to Carl Anthony Towns for Eric Spolstra? And I said the the fucking heat would say no. But he would say Bam took a leap.
It doesn't matter. I'm not even worrying about what the rest of the roster looks like. Cause you could, let's say you did. You know what? Honestly.
I remember where I was. I don't remember where I was. Maybe I do and I forgot where I was, but I remember how I felt. Tell me how you feel Felt. The first time that I ever like heard of a Coach being traded.
I was fucking like... I was dejected. I was like, like I was. I wasn't like confused or befuddled or upset. I was sad.
You can't, you shouldn't be able to trade coaches.
Now, listen, I'm not actually like the Timberlands are still. Yeah, but I want to live it off of that. I don't know why you take everything so literally, Bart. Ah, like the Packers got a pick when Holmgren went there to Seattle. The Bucks traded a pick for Jason Kidd.
Yeah. I it's bullshit. I hate it. I hate that you can trade coaches. Or it's not like an official transaction, but I just don't like it.
Mm-hmm. They are assets of a They shouldn't be. I just don't. Like it.
So, and so, okay.
So, you could, someone could argue why, and I just don't like it. That's okay with me. You can you can dislike it, but here I'm gonna force you to answer. Carl Anthony Towns for Eric Spoe. Carl Anthony Towns and Spo.
So you s so the heat would agree to that. The heat would not agree to that. Because they have bam. But if you trade SPO for cat, you can then trade BAM if you have to. But okay, so you say that he's going to say no, you're going to say no on a technicality.
He's not trading Eric Spolstra. That's correct. And that means that Eric Spolstra should be rated higher than Carl Anthony Towns in a draft. Yeah, you're answering the question. If you're going to start from scratch.
This was the game! No, no, no. Spolstra, he's got equity in the Heat. The Heat aren't going to be like, we're going to give up this guy that's been our organization for a decade, saw many different iterations of our team. For This fucking bum.
They're not going to do that. But if you're starting from scratch. I would not go into it. And if I if I We had those two guys in front of me. We're starting from scratch.
I'm taking the player. Even the soft ass disappears in big games, player? Joe Brunty can coach my fucking team. What about, what about? I'm another one of those.
Eric Spolstra. Hey, yeah, Eric Spolstra, your world's greatest coach, Eric Spolstra, who ended the season. Uh Two and seven. He went on a two and seven run. To end the season, nearly became the first team.
I was talking about the Celtics, could have been the team to, he was nearly the first coach to blow a A lead. Yeah. Then He loses in five to the Nuggets. A team ripe for the taking. I'm gonna just absolutely destroy you here.
Are you ready? You are the guy who says that LeBron should not be criticized for losing in the finals a bunch because LeBron got them to the finals a bunch. You are criticizing Spolstra for the thing that you praise LeBron for. The fact that Spolstra got them. I don't know what I'm criticizing Spolstra.
I'm saying I'm not going to take him in a draft. No, but you say, oh, well, he finished the season two and seven.
Okay. He did. That's a fact. Fine, but it shouldn't. It's not a negative.
It's not a stain on his resume. It's a stain on your resume. Bullshit, it is. Since you started hyping up Spolstra, the guy's been doing nothing but falling on his face. He got one of the worst rosters ever to the NBA.
Like, in terms of NBA Finals rosters. The Miami jumping on the supposed train. Look, Schulzer has not come out of these playoffs looking worse. You do. Mm-hmm.
I would love to look at NBA rosters of the past 20 years and find a worse roster than the 2023 NBA Finals Miami Heat. I'm saying among finals teams. Cavs. Which Cavs team? There's no way because you 18.
Definitely the first one. 18. Oh, the oh, 2008. Oh, definitely. When they lost to this, when they were swept by the Spurs?
Yeah. I wouldn't. You know, I we could look at them side by side, but I mean, you still had That time, 23-year-old LeBron James.
So, like, 23-year-old LeBron James is better than any version of. Jimmy Butler or bam out of bio.
So, um Small strain. And I Come out looking very good. Sure, I'll speak next as the person who brought this up originally. This is my problem with Eric Spolster. It has been all along.
Spolster gets all the credit when he overperforms, when he punches above his weight. And then, as soon as he's judged on an even playing field to everyone else, well, you can't blame him. Look at how far he got this team. Like, I heard, and again, I think you're doing the LeBron argument, though, that Bart pushes back against. LeBron gets all this credit for bringing these shitty teams to the finals, but then doesn't get criticized for that when it's comparing him to Michael Jordan.
I don't know why that's relevant. Like, you're still going to bring it up. You're still saying that, hey, it's a good thing that he was good enough to get his thing that far, but it's not a bad thing that he fell short. Grant, grant. It's fine.
I just, I subscribe to the old idea that if you're good enough to make the finals, you're good enough to win it. If you're good enough to make the World Series, you're good enough to win it. He is now two and four in NBA finals, and two of those losses came with your boy, LeBron James. Like he's two and four in finals appearances. I I I just I think he's a very good coach.
I think he's a very good coach. Just six, and this we are literally arguing LeBron here. Can you talk about this without bringing it? You're the one bringing. I don't know why you're bringing up LeBron.
Because it's the argument that you give for LeBron's resume. I only bring that up when I'm comparing him to Jordan. No, you're comparing LeBron in these instances to being: is he the best player of all time? Yeah, and the comp the you're saying on the pro side Of LeBron being the best player of all time is that he has gotten crappy teams to the finals. I only use that argument against Jordan.
I've never argued LeBron. I've never used that point to argue LeBron against anybody else.
Well, maybe as a comp with Rogers, but that's the same kind of idea, just being cross-pollinated across sports. This is this is my, I think he's a great coach, Paul. Like, I'm with you. I think there are players I would trade for Spo. I see the value with the player and the coach.
I'm not as far into it as you are. I just, this is what bothers me about Spo: he gets all the praise. And then all of a sudden we stopped talking about him. Like we stopped talking about him for years in between LeBron and in between this era, where it's like, well, we just don't talk about the whole way up these playoffs and haven't talked about him on the way down. On the way down, it's Jimmy's not performing.
It's Max Bruce isn't hitting his shots. It's Gabe Vincent's three for 16. Just make adjustments. Not on the way up, not on the way down. Just make adjustments.
And where were the adjustments against Denver? I didn't see any adjustments. I didn't see any adjustments. Oh, he put Kevin Love back out there.
Well, okay, he was doing that. Also, also, last thing, last thing. And this is just me playing devil's advocate a little. I again, I recognize Spolster as a very good coach. I tweeted this morning, just facts.
I tweet facts, not feelings. I tweeted, Good morning. Eric Spolster is 2-4 in the finals, and he has a career record. That's a losing record in the finals. And someone replied to me, Well, he got an eighth seed to the finals.
Oh, come on, Grant. I'm like, I was told for the last couple of weeks that this isn't your run-of-the-mill eight seed. They're not really an eighth seed, though. Oh, but now they are.
Now they, okay.
So now that they've got I see, now they're an eighth seed. Got it.
Okay. Just want to make sure I understand this bolt strip reasoning. That's it. That's all. That's it.
That's all I had to say. I would like to say stop talking about. This would be my closing comment. You are using a 2-4 finals record as a negative. My God.
Yeah, it's not. It's a little bit. Being to six NBA finals as a head coach in a relatively short span. He's been to like one out of every f Two and a half NBA finals in his coaching career. Like every two and a half years, he's like, four of those were with LeBron James.
What's your, I mean, but I. I don't Where's the disconnect here? Bud won one title with Giannis, and I got Tony in Texas and hot take Jake calling in.
Well, you know, I'm always right. They should have won. They should have won four. Bud. But we say Bud should have won four with Giannis.
It's unfair to think that maybe Spolster and LeBron could have. Batted better than 50% in the finals that they qualified for. And also, the last two we made it to weren't even close, Paul. Like, could you make it a series? I mean, Christ, you're in the bubble.
Like, could you at least make it a series? Maybe you don't have to win, but the last two haven't been close. Like, I didn't watch this finals. Let's be real. I lied, I have one more comment then because Oh my god.
kickback from Eric Spolstra's money. I am not trying to say he was as good of a coach in 2008 as he is in 2023. Players get better, coaches get better.
Well, and he was in the film room. A lot of people don't know that about him. He was in the film room. I'm okay to move on. Ready?
Yeah. I didn't bring up Svolstra. Rewind the tape. Bart brought up Svolstra. All right.
No, granted. I brought him up.
Okay, not I. I was not the one. Hey, there's breaking bucks trade news. I'll go replaying the game. I don't, what game?
There's bucks breaking trading.
Okay, yeah, let's hear it. Breaking news brought to you by the BetQL Network. Get smarter and beat the books. Download the free BetQL app today. No, don't, because if you s you cannot unsubscribe from their emails.
Oh. I mean you can, but then they keep showing up in your fucking inventory. Here's my five-star cute bet of their D. Guys. Come on, there's this big thing here.
I'm on the edge of my dick here. The Bucks have traded Drew Holiday. Good. Marjan Beauchamp. No, that's bad.
And a 2029 first-round pick. Don't care. to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Four Darius Garland. Mm.
Drew Holiday. Bochamp. 2029 first to the Cavs for Darius Garland. This is a great trade for the Bucs.
Okay, I'll temp. This is a good this is a good trade for the Bucs. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. By the way, Garland, I will give you a little bit on him.
Uh is just starting his rookie extension He'll make $33 million this year. He has five years left on his deal. He is, I don't have it in front of, I think he's 24 years old. Uh 23 years old. Mm.
Mm. Holiday. Bochamp, 2029 first to the Cavs for Darius Garland. Good trade for the Bucs. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. I mean Good for Cleveland. you get another ball dominant, really inefficient. Point guard that's not really a point guard.
So I guess Mitchell and Drew Holiday, interesting. I kind of like this. You know what, Paul? Hot damn, I kind of like this. Defense suffers for sure.
Mm-hmm. Very good playmaker, though. You can get everyone involved. He's an underrated playmaker. He took a step back when Donovan Mitchell got there last year, found other ways to contribute.
Mm-hmm. He is 23 years old, so he is nine years younger than you. Not to be hang on to your assets, guy, but can we do it without Marjah? Yeah. Uh the cabs the cabs the cabs required Marjan in the deal.
Well then I'm going to require that we don't give you a first round pick.
Okay. We can lightly protect it. I don't know. I can protect this. I can figure it out, but I don't want to.
I hate that. Drew Holiday is 33. Darius Garland is twenty three.
So you're shaving ten years off But we're not going to have Garland until he's 33. I don't like when people do that either. No, no, no, no. But I'm just saying, like. Like there's one last ring around the tree.
And Garland is presumably not yet. As good as he will become. I do. I keep thinking about things I don't like. I think that's fascinating, that you can tell a tree's age.
By the rings of a tree. That, I mean, is there anything more fascinating on this marble? As someone who grew up in a logging town, my hometown was built by lumber money. It was something I learned about. We had a little museum in town.
Okay. I agree. I agree, Bart. It is just. Incredible that that kind of infer like You can't saw my leg and see thirty nine rings around it.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. How old is this guy? No identification. Cut off his leg.
We'll find out. Can't you look at the teeth? Can't you check age with the teeth?
Okay. Mm. They do check dental records. Mm. Do you like it?
Yeah. Are you real or are you really gonna hang this up on BoChamp? I feel like I feel like the calves would be happier. I don't care who's happier if both teams are happy. Oh, who's happier means who won?
And I like garland too. I don't know. Maybe I... You know, I don't know.
Well, you guys, but I watch 82 games of the Milwaukee Bucks. I don't climb to watch 82 games of the Denver Nuggets. Or the Cleveland Cavaliers, okay. Mm. I don't know.
I'm not swayed either way.
Okay, John Horst, though, what do you got to make? I'm trying to react to it. I don't know. Yeah, if I hang up this phone right now, John Horst, I'm not calling back. Oh, I'm John now.
You're John now. Oh. You got I got two other offers here for Garland.
Well, if I'm John Horse, I say, hey, since we're talking trades. What would it take to get J.B. Bickerstaff? Yeah. Get a coach over here.
Overrated coach. I agree. Well, I don't know. Marjan is like Marjan is Like, oh, we need to get younger. That's He is Jake.
I know. It's Tony and it's Hot Take Jake. They're in my head. They call your show every other night. They're like, we need to get younger.
Like, that's just a magical button we can fucking push. No, hold on. I'm going to push back there. This is said button. I know, and that's what I'm saying.
Like, the idea is: well, we need Marjan because we need the youth. What we're getting guaranteed youth, good youth that we know is good. Marjan lottery ticket. We know Garland is.
Well, we know, and I. I don't even think he's reached his potential as you said. And I think he could be great in a playmaking capacity. If we're keeping Chris, we're keeping Giannis, we're keeping Brooke. Yeah.
There's a lot of fun avenues to explore. I mean, I don't know. I don't want to frame this like I'm more, I'm higher on Bochant.
Okay. Uh How, what is the honest thing ever? To this book report. You didn't even read a book yet, do a book report. Why is my face like blacking out?
Do you see that on the video? Mm. Your hat is. Oh, my hat is. But my face is like green screening away.
I can't tell. It doesn't seem that way. Like it's some dark matter from. The dark hold. Yeah.
Agents of Shield. Yeah, I figure. Could have guessed it was Marvel something. That got cancelled.
Well, um, Agent's the Shield is a pretty oh, fucking Marvel, guys. Don't get me started.
Okay, I won't then. They pushed back all of their movies. Captain America is supposed to come out next May.
Now it's coming out next fucking August. I think the thing you're talking about. We have a lot of time left on this earth, I feel. Jeez. It's dark.
When I I got it when I was uh When Lost was on, I I used to always want to make sure that I just lived so I could see the end of lost. Wow. Yeah, now I guess I would rather die. Endings. I want my wife to watch it.
She would love the show. But then the ending's so bad that I can't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
My answer for this trade, as you probably would have guessed, is mm-hmm. I think my my take is Regardless of whether you believe Drew Holiday. That he's going to retire at the end of his contract. At which point, by the way, he'll be 35 years old.
So, like, it's not totally inconceivable. He could totally keep playing. I think Drew Holly will age well into his mid and late 30s if he wants to. But To subtract ten years from holiday into garland. It seems Like a no-brainer.
Like, I'm not even. I would say yes without even thinking twice. Yeah. I think so. I think so, unless Giannis was like.
Mm-hmm. You know, if it was, if it was for some reason, like. a no-go with the other players. Like if trading drew away were to ruin things and kill the vibes and really frustrate people. then maybe not, because I think it's.
for the next two years at least, I think it's kind of a horse apiece. Like Drew can be really inconsistent in the playoffs. He can be inefficient. Garland could be too, but you're resetting the clock. You're getting younger.
Losing Marjan would suck. I wonder how much Marjan, you think Adrian Griffin. Goes about using Marjan differently. Bart. I'm actually curious to see what his role is next year.
I am too. And I don't want us to be like a letter. You know, I d I don't care what they do, I just don't want to give up Thon Maker. Yeah. Oh, they better not trade Keston Hira for Manny Machado in a season where they came within a couple of innings for making the World Series.
Yeah. So I don't I don't like getting too Cut up on the young guy. I guess with this trade, I mean, if you, I would do Garland for Drew. I don't want Drew on the team.
Well then what Then what are we waiting? You're hanging it up on Ma wait, it was Marjan who was hanging this up? I don't know. I think maybe I thought I could get somebody. Different.
I mean, the Bucs put Marjon on the block last year around the deadline.
Well, that all being said, what I put on the block, and the block is what I call my tongue, are the gummies from Happy Place Hemp. Promo code is BART. 25% off each and every order at happyplacehemp.com. I told you how it works. It's very easy.
25% off. every single time you use it.
Now, how does it make you feel?
Well, it makes you feel good. And it helps you, you know, there's some things going on at the house right now, if I can be clear. My kids being a rabbit asshole. More than ever. Plus, when I try to escape that.
Um I have to watch like Jessica Jones season two and Luke Cage season two when I just want to get to Thor Ragnarok.
Okay, so that's been a burden on me. And then I try to escape that and talk to you guys, and Paul won't stop talking about Eric Spolstra.
So sometimes I just need to relax and go somewhere else, go to my let's say, happy place. with happy place hemp. Dot com promo code BART. All right, so Grant and I, the trade's good. We'll do the trade.
I love it.
Sounds good. I am too. Make it happen, John Horst.
Okay. Um. We can do this one in two minutes, or we can keep going if you want. Bart, I think you mentioned a little bit on your Monday episode. But what started out as a joke.
In our text message chain on Sunday when Craig Council missed the game. By the way, I. I didn't know what was going on.
So I googled like Craig Council. Cause I genuinely like, you know, and your manager, Pat Murphy. I was like, what? I love how you are both the most detailed person in the world, but also like sometimes the most oblivious, depending on what's going on. Like there are things that you know every word of the new CBA, like something insane could happen in a brewer's game and it would take you two days to be in the loop on it.
That's totally fair.
So here's the general rule: if it's about numbers. or contracts or that I'm gonna know. General Things I probably will know in a couple of days after. All right. So come to me with like Paul.
I envy Paul because he he still gets the news the old-fashioned way. Which is what? Like the newspaper. Three days later, yeah. Which, by the way, you guys, I told you a couple episodes I was watching Veep.
I'm in the final season. Leon West, which you almost spoiled, has now joined the campaign team. I'm so sorry for almost doing that, but I don't think. And one of my favorite moments of the whole show is when, uh, What's his mike was applying at the Washington Post? And and Leon asks him.
Have you not paid attention to what's been going on with newspapers in the last 10 years? And Mike goes, No, I don't even get it delivered anymore. I just read it on my phone and it's free. How convenient. And I'm like, home.
I'm like, Yes, that's a great dynamic anyway as the season goes on.
So, um And so it just led me to thinking, and I forget which one of you suggested something. I think it was Bart. R and I don't know how serious you were about like Managers should get five to ten days off a season. Don't know how serious you were. I think that was you, Bart.
Um And they start thinking, okay, like maybe it's you know, maybe that's a bit rich, but We all get Like, you get paid time off at your job. Like, baseball is grueling. It's long. Oh, I said what's the best. It's, you know, baseball is like, it's a very unique thing.
MLB managers should get Three to five PTO days per season. No questions asked. The bench coach fills out the roster. Maybe the manager still fills out the lineup and texts it to the bench coach. But you know what?
Baseball is long, it's grueling. Council doesn't need to be there for all 162. MLB managers should get, we're going to call it five. PTO days per season. Mm-hmm.
Or and even my secondary question that is Baseball teams would be happier. Things would go better. Oh, if everyone could, you know, maybe even players get, no, I'm not hurt. No, I'm not sick. I'm just not coming today.
I get five of those. Maybe players get it too. Everyone's going to be happier.
Okay, let's do shake this however you want. Or that there's something to this. Mm-hmm, or mm-mm. Oh, what's new? Bart's about to downplay the importance of mental health here.
I can see buckle, buckle in. What are you talking about? Yeah. You know, kids these days in their work ethics. No, I'm on pills.
I haven't taken them in six weeks. Do you think that's probably why I'm so scatterbrained? Uh. I um So then what I thought was, because I, you know. If you're I mentioned teachers.
Teachers get to summer off. Fuck them. They should buy their own you t fucking pencils. And that would be the argument, you know, for the MLB manager.
Well, they get the winter off, you know. But you're telling me during the year, if you're a teacher, you can't take a day off. Teachers get weekends. Like, managers don't get weak at personal days and holidays. Like, they managers literally don't get it.
You mentioned this about the media, but it's like. They gotta do a fucking thing with MLB, then they gotta talk to all their idiot scribes, then they have to do another thing with Euchre, then they have to do the game, then they have to talk to people again. Like they got man there's They get they're they're on the clock the entire fucking day, seven days a week. And it's in settings that, like Michael Malone was saying, what an awful press room this is.
Meanwhile, Council, it's 10:15 at night in Pittsburgh, and he's in the visitors' managers, which is like a broom closet, you know. Yeah. That's why you used to interview the manager in his office. Managers start having that in the dugout just because they couldn't fucking take it anymore. They wanted some fresh air.
Yeah. So, but then I think, like, all right, let's say. Let's say counsel gets five days off and he uses them. at varying times. And then let's say the player's like, you know.
I kind of like it when dad's not here. We're playing a little looser, a little freer. But also. And then and then they you know think hey, well Council, I know you like it this way, but when you weren't here, Murphy batted me third, and I really liked being there.
So I it could come in It could come into some problems. Not that bosses don't take days off in other jobs. I don't know the right way to do it, but I will say. Uh because These this they're For being a man, like they're asked to do way too much. It's not physically grueling.
I mean, they still make him wear a goddamn jersey. These are 65-year-old men. That have to dress up in a little league uniform. To do their fucking job. That's why I appreciate Craig always puts a hoodie on.
Or like, you never see him in his jersey. Opening day, though, like council recognizes the importance of those special days.
So he'll like opening day, he'll rock the jersey full fit. God, I love Craig Council. It's a bummer this is his final year and we're not talking about it more. I am, so we texted about this on Sunday because Paul, you were at the ballpark or whatever, and you're like, oh, council's taking a day off. Is this drama?
And I texted back, I'm like, I'm amazed this doesn't happen more often. And Bart agreed with me, and I knew he would because it was a Bart type of take. I don't know that there's Somewhere else to go with this. Like I think the take is I'm amazed that managers Do what they do. And manage as many games.
I don't know that there's a next step of they should get. Five personal because I don't know how it would work, and I managers you guys know: baseball writers, baseball broadcasters, Bart, you've had levering, and you had Blake. Javik Blake on, like you've talked about these guys. They are wired differently, like they live and breathe baseball. I'm sure council could not fathom being away from the team and being outside of the dugout.
More often than once a season for his son's graduation. They are wired that way. We're not.
So I don't. Yeah, but I would say then, then don't take your PTO. That's an option. Sure, but then, like, what? Then, what's the conversation here, Paul?
Like, oh, well, council should have five days available if he wants. But then again, like, Like, okay, so when would he take them? Memorial Day or 4th of July. But those are some of the bigger games. Those are the heavily attended games.
So, you know, okay, so take a Tuesday night game off. There it is. I was waiting for the Tuesday night game off. I almost said that on my show on Monday and I stopped myself. I just said random weeknight because now I'm paying attention.
Random Tuesday in June. In Pittsburgh, obviously, because that's where the random game is. Random CC dude in Pittsburgh. Great American Ballpark. You're playing the Reds.
Um. Yeah, council could take it by the way. I'd like to extend, and I did this on our Madison show. I said this on Monday. I'm going to say this here too.
I would just like to extend. from from myself and the listeners in the community of my show The most sincerest congratulations and job well done to Jack Counsel for a great high school career at Whitefish Bay. And I wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavors at Michigan. And Craig, please don't leave. Because if you leave, Jesus Christ, I don't know what I'm going to.
I don't know what I'm going to talk about. on my show. I just thought it was so strange that In Googling you. Can't go to Wisconsin. Yeah.
How does Wisconsin not have a baseball team? Very strange. But I just thought it was odd.
So I don't know if you know this, but the In Googling the news and trying to figure it out, the ESPN headline was. Council skips Brewers Sunday game or whatever. And I just thought that was shitty. Like, he skips it? Like...
You know what I mean? Like, it was like, you're not okay. I didn't put it. In my opinion, if you say switch the game, like, you're inserting opinion, right? You're saying, like, If I was to be of the belief that that's an unacceptable thing to miss, I would call it skipping.
I would write this headline. Craig Counsel attends to fatherly duties, puts the man in manager. That's what the headlines are. That's what I would say.
Well played. But you you would agree though you would agree though that Like, skips the game. It just sounds like it's bad. Like the ESPN headline, Council skips Brewers' game. Um So I don't know what the answer is.
They lost.
Well Yeah, and there were some interesting late bullpen decisions, right? You could have pitched Devin Williams and. You know, like what would, you know, then the ninth inning runs on this. How much? Craig's at his son's graduation.
Text them.
Well I don't know. But if Craig's at his son's graduation, and if I'm thinking, if I'm at a graduation, there's a big brewer game, I'm checking my phone. You think a guy checks his phone? You think guys going dip fl like, do you think he ever really unplugged? Yeah, I don't think I don't think he unplugged, no.
Craig doesn't want this job. I mean, that's clear, right? Why do we say like he's got the worst? Like, he's just miserable. He's managing his hometown team and he's.
Very good at what he does. But he liked it and he's done with it. He wants to do something. He might be, but that doesn't mean he's miserable. There's a difference between he might want to call it quick.
You're the one always putting this in my head. Me? Yeah. Uh oh, and it's not.
Well, okay.
Well, and this is a different conversation. Let's say that Craig Counsel came into this year. Thinking, I don't know that I want to keep doing this. Find me the example of something this year that would change his mind. Because this year has been, he's just getting boned every which way.
All of his good players are getting hurt. Like, nothing's really going well. And they're in first place, and or they are close to in first place. I know the Pirates are close to the place. Close enough that we can still say it.
Yeah. At this time of the year. If he coming into this year is like, I don't know that I want to keep managing because I have to deal with this and this and this, this year has been a prime example of all of the BS things that managers have to deal with. And and it's probably frustrating. Yeah.
It's like it's like it It's load management. And it's like the MLB season. It especially if you're the manager, starts. in early February. Like And then it's and you gotta go to Arizona for a month.
What's that? Be away from your family. Right. And it's like, okay, well, they're off in November, December, and January. But Grant, to your point, it's For those other nine months.
It's seven days a week. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like, okay, well, okay, I'm working for the weekend. No.
Like you're working all weekend, you have to go to, it's like being a bartender. You have to go to a place where you look around and everyone's having fun and getting wasted. And you just gotta be like Uh oh. Bart just disappeared. He's gotta be like.
Um Fucking I guess my choice is Hobie Milner or Peter Strezlecki. You're choosing between one more shot of Je Jaeger or fucking another Coors Light? And I'm picking between Give up a walk and then a home run, or give up two home runs. Always choose the walk and a home run. No, maybe not.
Um, Can you choose home run and then walk? Because that's only one run. That would be ideal.
So I don't know what the answer is here, but I just thought it was interesting. Like What turned from almost in Bart, I went back and looked. The initial text said, like, why don't they get five to ten days off a summer where they take off a Sunday home game with a with a laughing emoji?
So I think like it started off as like, you know, because it's such a foreign concept. Like, baseball managers don't get PTO. Like, that's a good idea. What's the text of that? Was it?
Which one of us texted that? I think you did, but I haven't copied Peggy. I go. I'm going to do a laughing emoji fan. Then it was Grant.
It was not me. Yeah, I don't. Bart's not an emoji guy.
So, maybe that was grand. But I think the point is: like, what, much like.
So, Bart, I'm going to parallel this real quick to when you said. that Chris Middleton, Should only play home games. And my first thought was: this is dumb. And five minutes later, I was like, this is correct. This is the right thing to do.
And I feel similarly with this baseball managers thing. I don't want to like it. there should be the opportunity to not have ESPN have to write a headline that says that you skipped the game. Maybe they don't, Paul, maybe they don't get four for like five days written in their contract, but there could be more of an acceptability to it. Like Hey, Craig's not going to be here this weekend.
We'll just well, you know, that's fine. Yeah. You know, there's guys that don't travel with the team all the time. Right, announcers it's fine for. or create, you know, we're going to.
Hey, we're hiring a new manager. This is a remote hybrid position. You gotta come here for five days a week. The other two you can manage from your house. Right.
Well, that would not Yeah, Zoom managers. I like this. Another example of COVID laziness, if you ask me, but I guess that's goddamn gosh. Any other thoughts or nice? Any other thoughts or next one?
Throw me a Packer one and then we'll do Packer one and then I'm going to do the Mount Rushmore one. Ah Jesus, another one. What do you have to do today? Me? Yeah.
I told you already. Nothing. Jessica Jones. Um This comes from Zach Cruz's Twitter feed. He writes, Who will be the Packers' biggest impact rookie?
And then he l rail r he lays out he says, Van Ness should play snaps right away as an inside outside rusher. Musgrave could be T E one, and they put parentheses tight end version of Christian Watson question mark. Reid could be slot wide receiver one and punt returner one. Can't rule out craft at tight end. Wooden Brooks Johnson could play right away.
Carlson is kicker one. With him then adding, a lot of rookies will be playing stabs with the Packers. Can we yeah, I gotta do it. And then he concludes by saying a lot of rookies will be playing snaps for the Packers in 2023. All right, so you got to put a hundred bucks on one of these Packers to be the most impactful rookie.
in 2023. The smart money would be to put that money on. Luke Musgrave. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
No. Mm-mm. No, it'd be uh Van Ness. I mean, the tight ends, the receivers, all of our receivers at the end of the year, tight ends included, are going to end up with 45 catches for 600 yards and three touchdowns. Every single one of them.
Yeah. Okay. The the way to make an impact on this team is on defense. Is he going to, I mean, Rashawn Gary is going to start the year presumably not playing. There's going to be snaps for him to elsewhere, but there is.
Preston Smith. Like, will will Van Ness by the end of this season has played enough. To have that level of energy plus, I think. I think we need to revert.
Well, I'll just say, I would just say, like, Van Ness is also. In the vein of Rashawn Gary as a rookie, drafted as an upside play. Might he contribute right away? Yeah, is that the expectation? I don't Carlson is K1.
And by the way, Regardless of that silliness. I'm going to tweet. The answer could very well be Carlson.
Okay. I could hear an argument for anyone. I don't think the smart money would be Van Ness because Jill Barry kept Devontae Wyatt stashed on the bench, even though his defense is getting murdered by the run last year because he. He needed to learn how to be a professional. Like, Joe Berry will find a way to mess this up.
Trust me. By the end of the year, we'll get a couple great moments from Van Ness, and we'll wonder: why was this guy playing all year? Defense sucks against the run, anyways. Can't be any worse by playing a rookie.
Well, he's you know, he's coming around and learning how to be a professional.
Okay, okay, Joe. Maybe he should marry someone successful then, because that's apparently how it's done in this business. Which, by the way, he's dating, I believe, still dating the sister of. Uh Yeah, the Cole Komet. Yep, that's the one.
Oh, yeah, the Colkomet. That's right. Edit that. Clean that up, please, in post, Tim. Thank you.
I agree that smart money, I'm not saying Venice won't be the answer, but Joe Berry Bart is a wild card, an X factor to the. Smart money being Van Ness, 'cause Joe Berry could Joe Berry it up to Lucas Van Ness. It is. I was. You were reading that tweet, and I was getting annoyed with the designations before you got to kicker one.
I'm like, kick returner one. Like, I my ears were already up, and then I heard kicker one, and I. I mean, I get like. I tweeted at Zach. I don't want him to misinterpret this.
I said it's a good and fun question. I'm not over Calling someone K1. I'm sure that like kicker made the over 280. Yeah. I just have never seen a kicker called K1, and I like it, and I want it to continue.
Did you just send that reply? I quoted him. Yeah, I'll probably go.
Okay. Yeah. You just did it. You know a qualm that I have with Zach Cruz, and it's nothing per. I just feel like he should follow me.
He went to my high school. He's from my hometown. I I had no clue about this. One of my cousins went to high school with him. They're like, Oh, do you know who Zach Cruz is?
I remember him in high school. I just feel like he owes me a follow. I that's I don't know. He's a fellow. He's an enigma.
He doesn't do any interviews with anyone. Any ever. He has a massive Twitter following and his tweets blow up and I You know, he really is not like a Dav Kleeman. He does seem real.
Well, he doesn't do anything. I've never seen him on video, never seen him talk. I've seen him because of his Twitter profile picture, and that's it. And he does good work. I just would appreciate a follow back.
I feel like I'll spoil it. I'll spoil it. Here's Zach. I am Zach Cruz. God damn it, Paul.
I've had this burner for a while. Where'd you find the picture of this guy? Um similar Google search that found um Sarah Ann Rhodes. Oh, I don't know about that. That one's not me.
Um. Yeah. I am not Zach Cruz.
Okay. Um Smart money is on who? Which Packers rookie is the smart money on to be the biggest. I don't. Mm-hmm.
Don't forget that don't forget Carlson is K1. I don't even know who Wooden is. Ha ha ha ha ha! Um It's mandatory mini-camp, Bart. This is your time to learn.
Musgrave. That was where I think I went. I'll spoil. I'll spoil. He'll come on later in the year.
Reid will have like a nice week three game where he's arrived. And then that'll kind of be it. The way that I forgot every defensive line, man. They drafted defensive line. I don't call them linemen either.
People didn't like how I say Goodland United, it should be good land.
So instead of calling them linemen, I'm calling them linemans. Is David Bakhtiari, how long will he be an offensive lineman for us? I'm locking there. Uh Jesus. Grant and I are on Musgrave.
Bart, you're gonna stick with Van Ness? Yeah, who I keep wanting to call Van Noy, which is a problem. Kyle. Mm-hmm. I believe Vanessa!
Vanessa! What do you think is going to happen when Van Ness has a bad game and they say Van Ness vanished? I gotta say Van Ness skips Sunday. Yeah. I'm gonna turn Van Ness into Janice.
Venice! I am Grant. Thank you. Stealing. Look, Vaness.
Venus. Vaness. I just don't like betting on Vanus because I feel like I'm. Betting on Joe Berry. I let Jeff Janice to do Janice.
I thought that should have been a bigger deal. That was awesome, though. What's the scope of what did you want? Who did you want to pick that up that didn't pick it up? I felt like it was an appropriately sized deal.
I didn't need anyone to pick it up. I needed more. You know, I didn't get enough from the people that were around here. He wanted kudos, Grant. Ah, you want to come on?
I just need like three or more tweets from anyone saying. Man, that was fucking cool. That's all. I sometimes I'll listen to your old shows. And I just love a lot when you're like, hey, if you really like this segment, just please tweet about it so we can.
Bart, do you remember when we got Horvat a Ty Summers cameo for his birthday? And Ty Summers thought Horvat was like 11 years old. I hear you want to host your own radio show one day. I think that's super cool. Yeah.
Who is your cameo from? You got me Janice. That's what I thought. It was Janice. That's from his car.
And now I remember now. And he said, I'm on my way back to Lambea. Oh, that's right. The Packers had to like respond to this, didn't they? No, I don't think it was that big of a deal.
I think they fielded a question or two.
Okay, but it was enough that like it didn't respond. I do know there are people who like at Packers. Is this real? Is he really coming? I think somebody, someone in the media reached out to the Packers.
And said, is this real? The Packers did not put out a PR alert. Yeah. Yeah, okay. No, don't Don't make it seem like we're that fucking important.
Yeah. Okay, well this is actually a great segue. Do you think the Packers would credential me for training camp? Yeah. We didn't even fake it.
Why not? Hey, Ryan, how's it going, dude? My name's Ty Summers. I play linebacker for the Green. Packers.
I just want to say I appreciate so much your support. Um that means a lot. Seriously, and I'm I'll make the most of this opportunity. Hopefully make you proud. I heard you want to host a radio show someday, so I think that's freaking cool, dude.
If you ever actually have one, let me know and I'll hop. on there. Yeah. Thanks for the support. It means a lot.
Seriously, it means a lot. Yeah, I'll just play the rest. He talks about leg day. Oh yeah, that's right! But, you know, if you have a goal, you have a dream for something, man, keep pushing for it.
That's what I did. got me here so Uh stay diligent, work hard. and you can achieve just about anything you want to achieve. Um also I heard you're struggling with a little leg strength at the gym. Trust me, I didn't have a whole A lot of money.
Yeah. To do legs, but I recognized how important it is, especially in the sport.
So, now you get emphasis towards it. Work on your weaknesses and make them your strengths. That's all I gotta say. But hey, happy birthday, Ryan. I hope it's a great one.
And I hope you finish out this year here strong, man. You got 15 bucks for that. That uh, and that motivated a young Ryan Horbot to move to Creston, Iowa, and really begin grinding in this business. That's But hey, take your weaknesses and make them your strengths. How about that?
Now we're Waiting for Paul, and because he knows I won't edit this, I have to. Stall. Even though it is a podcast, but. Paul's trying to find something and so instead of Did I ever tell you that you can leave a voicemail on the Carl's Place voicemail line? I've left you a voicemail before.
You have. And then one time you were leaving one, and I picked it up because I thought you were calling me. No, I would never call you in the middle of the day, I would never call you out of nowhere. After six years I called Chuck once. They tell you this.
How'd that go? He's like. What what? I'm like, hey, I just have a question quick. He goes.
You've never called me. I'm like, oh, I know, I'm in the car. You need to You need to work in more things to the show where you're like, here's what Chuck would have said about this. Like, the other day when you told the story being at the park and you saw two kids in jerseys, and you're like, Chuck would say something like, You don't see kids in jerseys these days, it's so rare. I like I I like I like Chuck's voice living on on the show one way or another.
What if I got a Chuck Freeman puppet. That I did.
Okay. You don't see kids in jerseys anymore. Oh, that's right, Free. Kevin Cronin, some people say he's lost his fastball. I did.
Did you see the guy from KFIZ got to interview the guy from Oak Ridge Boys? I would walk across nails for that honor. Kevin Cole. Oh, shut up. Why don't you respect me?
I do. I don't respect your friends. Oh, my God. All right. Last one.
And I teased it earlier and I'm excited about this. And I realized I was going to maybe try to come up with this as like a RLVG.com backslash Bart. Oh, sorry, there you go. I didn't know how to do this in the way, so I'm just going to do it the way that we did the Mark Murphy one, which is. just open-ended.
Okay. I think we should do a Mount Rushmore. of the Bart Winkler Show radio show callers? And a Mont Rushmore of the Bart Winkler Show Podcast Callers.
Okay. And I don't know if Bart's going to want to participate. Or if he'll feel like he's playing favorite child by doing this. But let's talk through the radio show first. And what a perfect time because we were thinking about it.
And by the way, it can't be like. I had a response from Zach Cruz. Did you?
So How else? How else? I'm going to get. Can I guess what he said? Was it like No, I'm shocked at the response.
What'd you say? What do you think he would say? Oh, no way. That's all right. Follow me back, asshole.
But I like how you responded. He said, LOL, I almost deleted this right after I sent it because of that. I'm glad you didn't. I love it, and we'll be using it going forward. K1.
Kicker.
Well, he's QB1 because he's QB1. Who's because just QB1? Oh, he's he's he's top two. Hey, Carlson is top two kickers on the Packers, not two. Top two not to.
Who are my Mount Rushmore callers of the radio show? From the radio show. I wasn't comfortable saying that.
Okay. The podcast is yet to be determined. We're removed enough from the radio show. Nominations. Ram.
Yeah. Um Rick and Oscar Um John and Franklin. John and Franklin, obviously. John and Franklin's. The Curly Lambo.
Jonathan Franklin's getting the first Carve. You know what? I just had a document going through all the times I ever did Bart collar standings, but I am. Trying to free up space on my Google that I literally deleted this. Three days ago.
What do you remember from? Notebook Mike, Ram, Mike the Painter came on late. Tony was Mike the Painter, because that also created like Mike the Tainter, and like, I think Mike the Painter is really important to the story. Notebook mic. I mean, some people came and went like.
Brew Crusoe was good. Yeah. Yep. Maybe not regular enough to be. Rush Moored.
I loved JMO because anytime he came on, some out-of-pocket shit would happen. It was always in the nine o'clock hour. Like some, like that. That's when. Remember when J-Mo talked to Ted Davis?
I think that was the last public appearance we had from Ted Davis. You remember that? I don't. Why, hey there, J Mo! I got a big kick out of the show that day.
Was I just saved? What was that? I don't know what you're talking about. You. J-Mo, for some reason, brought up Ted Davis, and you were like, Ted's actually right here if you want to talk to him.
Okay. J-Mo, they uh They didn't put enough money in my pocket. But I'm happily in Texas now. I actually call. Call volleyball games from the school from the TV show community.
One of my favorite moments on the show was that J-Mo Call. I don't think I know. He doesn't talk about his racist hometown of Vider, Texas, or whatever it was. I love J-Mo. Oh wait, what about Alan?
Oh shit. Yeah, but Alan didn't call enough. But was it memorable enough that it was irrelevant? Is Sam Congato on the Mount Rushmore ball? Ah, Alan is the Sam Congato of the.
Yeah, it's a good column. Did you put KJ in there? KJ called a lot. KJ. Yeah.
KJ is, he is a monument in and of himself. I don't know that KJ belongs on Mount Rushmore. KJ is, dude, everyone in the state knows KJ because he used to call Bill every day. I know who KJ was long before I started listening to you, Bart. He was not a Bart Winkler exclusive.
No. John and Rick are both on there for sure. John and Rick. What about what's the dude in Anaheim? Vincent to the party.
Yeah. And and there's a difference between like Chuck and Winkler and then me and Orba and then me and Toby and then Which was basically when we were like Just almost circling the drain and into the pipes. Yeah, I kind of combine. I mean, I personally, I'm going to combine you with Horvat, with you with Toby, with. Like it's all and then me.
Yeah. With various producers.
Okay, so you're you're definitely carving Rick And John.
So we're doing Chuck and Winkler.
Okay, do yeah, okay, do that. That's that's Um There are other guys I'm forgetting. There were guys that would call him a lot, and then they decided to hate me because I said wear a mask. Who was the dude in the limo? No more Oh, Limo Brian.
Lim O'Brien? I do the notebook mic's got to be in either the Chuck and Winkler one or the Bart Winkler one. Yeah, I agree. I mean, Ron and Rome called a lot. Ron got some.
He also got mad at me because I said Elon sucks at Twitter. Never talk to me again. Yeah, a lot of these have fallen off just because of personal disputes over here. God damn it. Did you stop listening to Bart because He wasn't on the radio, he was on the podcast.
No, no, no. I followed him to the podcast, and he just. Attacked me. All right. I don't know.
We'll have to keep building that one. Grant Bigler on to finalize it with me. Grant, what Grant, where's your head going with this? I loved Rick. I love John and Franklin as an institution.
I have a soft spot for J Mo. But he's probably, I don't know that he called enough. I just have a lot of JMO memories. Uh I really like notebook mic. And I, you know, Bart.
I'll give you a compliment here. I don't think Notebook Mike could have been such a A good caller on other radio shows. I think you recognize something in Notebook, Mike, that very few radio hosts would have taken the time and effort to recognize. I mean, because he was Mike on the South Side. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. We branded the notebook mic. I remember even when you had Rami on, and Rami said, Oh, is this the same mic that's Mike on the south side? Yeah, but this is notebook Mike. For my show, he's notebook Mike.
Also, the fact that he called him Romney until the bitter end. legend for that. Like Matt and the Falls would fall towards the end, but then on my show, he was Matt and the Falls, and then on Rami's show, he was Bathtub Matt. And now he's just me. Yeah, it's me.
I've been the only one who's mentioned Ram's name. Ram, I think, might deserve to be on there because Ram got a lot of People would call to talk about Ram. Right. I mean, that's that's prestige. Like.
Yeah. If you generate that type of reaction. And it worked good for us because once Gary stopped coming on, we needed someone to fill that role, Gary Wolfel, and Ram stepped in.
Okay. happily we basically we like recast them Okay. You know? Terrence Howard was. War Machine in the first man, and then John Cheadle has been playing him ever since.
And so Ram became like the Don Cheadle. To Gary's tanny power. Do you have like an old Rick and Oshkosh call or like a memorable call? Tag something onto the end of this. I like the incorporation of history into the podcast.
I have a very short one that I was going to Post on YouTube actually. I did, I did set up a lot of uh Every Friday, there's like an old Chuck and Winkler clip that I put up for like the next five weeks. I like that. I I have one. Yeah, I got one too.
Okay, you can go for it. What's yours? Never mind. It was actually just his laugh on repeat. Yeah.
Oh. That's horrifying. This sucks 'cause the guy's dead. Yeah. But that doesn't mean we can't remember them.
Well yeah, we're d we loved Rick. It sucks that Rick didn't make it long enough to see Council not be the manager. anymore. Isn't that a tough There's that on of Rick in this exchange. But there's a net butt It's more of me and Chuck like Sifting through Rick.
Yeah, I think it's a minute. What is the topic?
Okay. Let's grab Rick and Oakfield real quick. Rick, what's up? 799. Yeah.
Thanks for joining us to talk about the event. Oh, it's not Beth. Are you listening to another station? Are you calling us from a mountaintop? Oh, it's gonna be that way.
Oh, that's strange. What are you? you doing? Who was that? I don't know.
Rick, Rick, you are serving a 24-hour ban. Yeah. That was your phone. That wasn't you. He's not calling from a speaker phone there.
I mean, if he is. He's like a hundred yards away from it. That was another station. What are you doing, Rick? That was like Oakfield Oldies or something.
I couldn't. It wasn't me. Couldn't tell what it was. Rick, don't call back your man for a day. That was rude.
All right, uh Ryan Braun. Sat down with Tim Allen. This is. Every year that Tim goes... Hold on, I'm a big softy.
Rick, is this you or is this nice? What happened? You just said a minute ago you want to ban him. I know, but I'm out of the soft spot for Rick. Bye.
Oh my gosh. Bye. drop I dropped some. Two things about the pops. Sure.
Okay. while they're not mentally tough. I don't think the fans are mentally tough enough for this. Oh, I think they are. Yeah.
Are they putting a lot of shit? Oh, hey, Rick. All right, now Brick's band. Grant knew all the words like he was watching super bad.
Well, it's a you had a pre-it was a promo at one point, wasn't it? I don't fucking know. It was an actuary.
Okay, I searched on Twitter for Rick and Oshkosh, and it came up with a list from good old KS. Who said, probably right when the station closed on, all-time WSSP callers, top 10 coming soon. But then, within that, there were many replies. And someone had said, number one, and obviously isn't just for your show, Bart, but most of them are. Rick and Oshkosh, number one, Notebook Mike 2, The Sean O'Connell 3, Spark Guy 4, David Cutahay, 5.
David Cudahey. David Cudahey needs to be might be in the Bart era. Dave's in the BART era. Yes, but Dave is in the BART era for sure. Oh, Roger from Cutahabist to be in there.
Roger! Roger! I love how it's like we're talking about Van Halen. Between Sammy Hagar and Uh David Lee Roth.
Well, it's different shows. It's all different eras. You can't compare. Sure.
I love how we're romanticizing about a radio show that was on in Milwaukee for six years, like it was the fucking Howard Stern show. But you know what, though? The callers, I mean, I think the. The thing you should probably take a lot of pride in is that the callers became that iconic. That's not normal.
Yeah, let's work for me. But you're going to say that. You're going to say that offhandedly, but like the truth is, just give yourself a compliment. The caller. I will give myself a compliment.
There were definitely, I'll be honest, there were times I told you early on, Bart, when you're like molding some of these collars and you went like six minutes with people where I was like, buddy, like, I don't know if this is good. And then, like, two months later, I was like, oh no, this is great. I was so wrong. I'm so glad you didn't take any of my advice. This is this is the show, like this crew of you're not going to do it overnight.
Yeah, that's almost built in a day, Paul. There were definitely some painful moments leading up to it. Absolutely. Ron in Rome wasn't built in a day either. Ron in Rome was not, he fell very quickly.
Yeah. Chuck, Chuck, one of our earliest fights was about something and I go, Chuck, I know what I'm doing. You gotta trust me. He's like He's like we have a one-three It doesn't look like anyone knows what we're doing. And this is I mean, the other stations aren't even around yet.
We were on it we were on them against like Tina saxophone and the ballerina six and all this other bullshit. I don't fucking know. What happened to my face? I don't know. It's all pixelated.
Yeah, you're pixelated. Ziba da ba. All right, so I don't know if we finalized our list. Maybe we won't, but you're going to get a lot of Twitter replies to this because they'll be if they listen through all the spole garbage to get here. Oh, shut up.
I had to listen to people wax poetic about Eric Spolstra for three weeks because Jimmy Butler was scoring 50 and Max Struce looked like prime Ray Allen. And now the heat cooled off a little bit. We're not going to talk about it. Make some adjustments. Great coach, all-time great coach, best coach ever.
Let's make some adjustments. Let's let's where's that malleability? That's the word I hear only this time. I never said that word, you saw it in one tweet. I know, it's uh the team is malleable.
Listen to basketball podcasts, it's the only time you ever hear that word is in the playoffs. I I like this roster, really malleable.
Now we go ratio. Looking at some of the answers to good old KS's tweet. Yeah, notebook Mike. I've decided he's going to need either the Chuck and Winkler one or. The Bart Winkler one.
David Cottahey has to be on the Bart Winkler one. He had a catchphrase. Mike the Painter has to be on the Bart Winkler version. Mm-hmm. Okay.
That's all I got. Cone will have a list. He doesn't forget. I would love to, I mean. There's this was the one.
I wanted to do the Yokichianis one. I was excited about that. But I was so curious to see not just your reactions to the Marshmore callers, but. I wanna I'm I I'm genuinely so curious who would be people's Top four. From the different eras.
I know we didn't talk about the podcast ones because, like you said, Bart, that's still being. written but Yeah. I'm not going to do like a best of nine months. Fair. It's a very self-celebratory industry bar.
Be fine. I do want to like try to plan something big for my Year anniversary, but That just won't include me sending out a lot of emails for guests that I will not get. Yeah. Who you got in the sites right now? I'd like to have Mark Murphy on.
You don't even go to fucking practice, so ain't no way I'm getting MRF. Could you, could you, if you get it, though, you'd have to at least. ask one question as evil Mark Murphy. Oh, yeah. You can't pretend evil Mark doesn't exist just because you're talking to real Mark.
Tell Mark he's on our Mount Rushmore. Hackers Mount Rushmore. There you go. Kind of that. At the end, I might be like, Alright, here's how I would have answered as my character evil Mark Murphy.
There that that would be I grant interviews to any fucking loser. And he'd be like, oh, okay, I erase this. I can't be associated with a swear word. And you'll say, yeah, my producer Tim will get right on that. And then you'll just post it unedited.
John Morant will be suspended for at least 35 games. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. Oh, I thought there was breaking news. Yeah, we do have a season for Morant.
So over over 35 then, okay. Yeah. That news will be coming probably shortly after the Thursday parade that Jokic may or may not be yet. All right, gentlemen. Goodbye.
Oh, okay. Thanks again.
Well, do you have something to say? No, I thought we would be a little more Midwest about it, but let's get out of here. Let's go. Yeah. Have a good thank you, Mark.
Without the ones like you, who work tirelessly to keep things running, everything would suddenly stop. Hospitals, factories, schools, and power plants they all depend on you. No matter the weather, emergency, or time of day, you're the ones who get it done. At Granger, we're here for you with professional grade industrial supplies. Count on real time product availability and fast delivery.
Call clickgranger dot com or just stop by. Granger For the ones who get it done.
