Mmm Hmm: What's Your Favorite Orlando Arcia Memory?

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Grant Bills is here and Paul Imig is here. And what a treat it is as always to see you both. Grant, I got it again to see you in real IRL the other day. That was very nice. That was a treat. Where was that?

Madison. I caught up with Grant after a forward Madison game. We thought about maybe going to the game and then we decided against it. And I feel like we should have went because I saw Bart after and he was like, were you there? And I felt like maybe he was announcing with a little extra. I was. I did. There was a lot of opportunities to be a little more Bart during the match, including as I told Grant, the halftime contest sponsored by Verlo in which Matty the Mattress guy in a mattress suit stood in the goal.

The contestants spun around three times blindfolded and had to kick a penalty shot. And I really, I really, I really did it with the introductions and the oh, what a goal. Oh, so kind.

You know, I really. Oh, and I mean, forty five hundred people still heard it. It was another smashing attendance night at the Steve. OK, oh, it was fans went home happy. So everyone's good.

But a lot of people come and watch soccer. I I'm not saying I'm surprised. I'm just that's really cool.

Well, it's a great environment and they got a good they got a good like the fans are into it, man. So it's called the Steve. That's the nickname. Well, that's our nickname, like me and Grant. OK, I don't know if like what like what are the if you're a big fan of Ford FC Madison, if I said that correctly, like what do you what are you?

You're a you're a what? Flamingo Flamingo. They're the flamingos. Flamingo. Does anyone call it the pond? Anything like that?

No, not that I know of. Really good, though. I think they just call it breeze.

Sure. Bree Stevens Field, but are the uniforms pink like Flamingo pink, pink and blue? They've got some of the finest jerseys in all of sports. You mean that?

Laffy taffy color palette? I like that. I do.

They're really very popular. How many more days until Bobby Portis makes an appearance? Bobby will be there next Thursday. We'll see. So, yeah, this he's got to last another week, not be traded. And then if the box like trade port is on the 21st, then the forward Madison connection to Milwaukee like is a lot tighter than we could have ever dreamed. Like, we'll do you a solid man. Let you have Bobby and sell some tickets and then I'm going to ship his ass out of here. But yeah, it makes sense. All right. Take it away, Paul Emmick. All right.

I want to start with this one. Like if if this was NBA draft week, NFL draft week, we would have you would have done we all would have done like that would have been content. Right.

So let me start by just asking an open ended question. How many minutes did you spend on your respective shows talking about the MLB draft? I touched maybe the segment on it on Sunday, just in terms of like I thought it was good that they moved it to the place where the All-Star Game is. OK. Yeah.

And drew more attention to that. And then, you know, the college guys, like, you know, we know some guys that are going to get drafted, which is cooler. But baseball, baseball can't be as. Like, it can't be as big as even if they do everything right. Like, hold on. Don't don't don't interrupt my topic, but I just want you.

OK, you're hitting on it. But I'm answering your question. No, I know.

I just want to know how many minutes. All right. So I talked about it on Sunday, leading up for a segment on a four hour show.

And my next opportunity Tuesday morning did not address it at all. Grant, I had a guest on Tuesday night as one of the preeminent Brewer talk voices in the state. Paul, I must address it, but I'm going to do it with a guest. I had a guest.

Needless to say, you did it both far, far, far, far, far less than you would have for the NFL and the NBA. Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

All right, Bart. Sorry to have interrupted your answer, but you're there's nothing more Major League Baseball can do to make their draft as compelling for a national audience as what currently is being done. There's nothing else they can do. They have to just accept being third, fourth place with the NHL draft. There's no other nothings that could make it a more compelling national audience event.

There's nothing more that can be done. Mm hmm. Or I mean, they could have it on Mars. I would definitely watch that. Yeah, but realistically.

Mm hmm. They've they've moved it to the night that it that makes sense. There's no baseball on, you know, for like 20 years ago, MLB draft wasn't even like anything. Then they're like, OK, well, let's at least put some effort into this. And they had it at the MLB Network Studios on like a Tuesday when there's games on.

Yeah, you can actually a random Tuesday in July. Yeah, this is when you can actually show people like what's going on and people can at least dabble and learn about. Do you like that?

I put my logo behind me. That's good that they can learn about, you know, the players and get like an ESPN, I think, got high marks for their coverage that somehow they're covering this better than they do the NBA. The problem is just a lot of these guys we don't know.

And then they're just going to disappear for a little bit. Now, the higher picks might have a shorter path to the majors and the respective local markets will will follow these guys a little bit more. But I don't know that there's anything that they can do more, which I think is great. Like, it's great that baseball figured something out that was right. So I I commend baseball for that. I just I think the structure kind of allows him to not be as big as they would want it to be, just like Adam Silver's leagues idea isn't terrible, but he doesn't have the structure for that NBA cup.

Question to come on that. But Grant, real quick before you know it, I just want to say so the only thing I would counterbar with like, of course, this NBA draft, everyone knew Victor women. Yeah, most people knew Brandon Miller and Scoot Henderson. But how much did G League Elites own Thompson Twins like that? For people like what percent of the people who watched the NBA draft, they sat down and I'm watching this tonight had seen more than five minutes of the Thompson Twins play basketball. No, I hadn't. But I thought that was like, the NBA draft was guy you knew two and three twins. Good story. And then Yeah, then after that, nobody knew anybody. So I mean, now you're to pick six and you're already like, you're watching it.

Well, okay, I'm gonna I don't want to give my answer yet. Grant, there's nothing more Major League Baseball can do to make it a more compelling national event for sports fans. I didn't put it together that they moved it this year to all star break that week. That's the this is the perfect time to have it in Seattle to where it all is happening. I think I think the NBA all star break and maybe this is what they're trying to do with the mid season tournament, or early season tournament, or the NFL draft. Like the idea is, you celebrate the league and everything and everyone involved that week because everyone's in town and everyone's all over it.

And I think Major League Baseball, well, its draft isn't really interesting and compelling. If you put it this week when nothing else is going on, we were gonna watch right because we don't really have anything else to pay attention to, even if it's for, you know, we pay attention to it for 15 minutes, we watch it on Twitter. And then we talk about it on our respective shows for, you know, 20 minutes tops like my only experience with the MLB draft used to be I would turn on Bart the next morning, or I would listen to Bill at 10 o'clock when I was like mowing lawn or doing work and it was Corey Ray. And that was kind of it. No, it wasn't just that it was Corey Ray live on Chuck and Winkler.

It was Keston here a next day live on Chuck and Winkler. I don't remember that part of it. I don't think we got enough credit for that little shit.

Well, let me just let me just retort credit or blame because did you do their careers? Corey Ray is a Bears fan. Well, he was already doomed. Where is Corey Ray? I think he's still in their minor leagues.

No, not good. Where is Corey Ray? Where is Corey Ray?

Who wants to know? He's 28. This is his prime.

This is where you really want to be hitting your full stride. Hopefully he's out of the league. Oh, he is the free agent. We mean ruined Keston here his career, he's gonna be the best player in Nashville sounds history. You're gonna name the stadium after him. He is an amazing, seriously, an amazing Nashville sounds player. That's what I'm every time I see his stats.

They look like video game stats. Long story short, in the past, basically all the coverage that the draft has gotten is I turn on my favorite show the next day we mentioned they drafted Corey Ray, an outfielder Oh, good, they need outfielders. And then you know, you move on and talk about whatever else. So this week at least feels like it gets the most chance to get rum. And you know, sports fans like we're dying for content. So if there's nothing else going on, we'll pay attention.

So I think they're doing a pretty good job. I don't know what else they could do. It's baseball and we don't know the guys. So I think the biggest thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, at least in the NFL, like sure, like we can say like, okay, well, the Packers drafted this guy who probably won't contribute into your year until year two, he might get some snaps as a rookie, but for the most part, this is a project draft.

Same with with the Bucks drafted bow champ. It's like, Oh, like, he probably won't contribute much as a rookie, but there's some upside here. In Major League Baseball, like you literally best, best, best, best, best case scenario, won't see this person in a Brewers uniform, period, much less on the bench for two years, probably more like four or five years in a lot of cases.

So it's, there's no like immediacy to it. And there's and by the way, there's nothing Major League Baseball can do about that, right? Like Jackson Churio is one of the top prospects in baseball.

He would be getting drafted right now at 18, 19 years old as a top pick in if he was an NFL player with the same level of skill as a top NBA pick with the same level of skill. But that's not going to happen. Like he still is not even a brewer, you know, in terms of like the Major League Club. And so do you think again, like you both basically concluded that there's nothing more Major League Baseball can do? How much of a part of that, though, do you think is? Well, yeah, because you're not drafting players to contribute in the next couple years, and in some cases, several years that that has to hurt, right?

That's a big detriment. They can like, they can roster these guys right away, but they're gonna suck. I would wonder, I mean, like, how badly how like seriously, like how badly? What has ever happened? Like, when's the last time that a guy has been drafted? And then now you're on the Major League team? Has it ever happened?

And if so, like, for real? He never played minors. I don't.

Okay. I mean, we were like, infants, so I don't know the backstory there. He's never played in the minors. I knew that he didn't play the miners. I didn't know if it was like he was drafted on. No, but a lot of these not like recently, the number one picks over the last few years have gotten there pretty quick.

Bryce Harper comes to mind. He got there just about as fast as you can do it. Right? Yep. Yep. But even like a guy, a campus guy like Churio, you know, he's in double A right now. Yeah.

Right. I mean, I think it's probably fair to say when you look at MLB pipeline. It's also, you know, maybe that's one thing that like, the Brewers don't want or any team don't, doesn't want to give away. Now you're letting like, if you develop Churio, you've got this guy that now you get Appleton gets to see him, Biloxi gets to see him, Nashville gets to see him. Think of how many local economies Jackson Churio is going to prop up. This is certainly something that I would dive into the local economy angle for sure.

I love let's get Keith law. Here's a, I mean, this is, this thought just came to mind. So it might be that baseball does nothing for the local economy. Then again, I said that all these people come to Miller park and don't spend a dime in Milwaukee. Then again, they haven't come to Miller park in a few years.

Then again, fuck you. I want to say one thing about, I don't remember what year this was. I, I don't know if I was already covering Packers and helping out with brewers in the summer, or if this was pre Packers beat for me. But I remember mentioning like the Tuesday afternoon in July or Wednesday afternoon in July has to be a Wednesday afternoon.

Right. But like watching McKelvey and Hodrick court, where it was, there was that we were covering the game in front of us while the MLB draft early rounds were happening. One time I told Hodrick court on a Sunday, a Saturday who got drafted and he like, he goes, anybody know who got drafted in this round? And I was like, like, I never talked to Tom and I was like, yeah, they got some kid out of, you know, Lake land.

And he's like, he looks at me, does anybody know who got drafted in this last round? Is that a true story? I'm like, I think it's, I think it's this, Hey, Todd, you know, he'll go drive. That's a pretty good object. Can you do more? Can you like read a book, something just in his voice or something?

That'd be pretty good. I've been doing Hodrick court for 10 years on the air. You used to be like, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Craig, Craig. I know that. I know that it's, you don't, you don't want to go to your bullpen when Devin Williams is available, but he, he had to be, he had to be down, down kind of on the outs, didn't he?

If you didn't use him. What do you think? You know that that sounds like Hodrick corporate also sounds like Mr. Mackie. Mr. Mackie. We're driven by the search for better, but when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. Don't search match with indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform with over 350 million global monthly visitors, according to indeed data and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates fast leveraging over 140 million qualifications and preferences every day. Indeed's matching engine is constantly learning from your preferences. Join more than 3.5 million businesses worldwide that use indeed to hire great talent fast and listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs more visibility at indeed.com slash blue wire. Just go to indeed.com slash blue wire right now and support our show by saying you heard about indeed on this podcast indeed.com slash blue wire terms and conditions apply need to hire you need indeed. When Cynthia came to TurboTax, she just launched her new side gig, a true crime podcast.

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Yeah. Then it was visiting press. It was radio on the same section. So I'd sit behind the visiting guys. And once a game, Tom would always come and do his like, routine.

Same jokes all the time. He'd walk up there with his kangaroo hat. And he'd be like, he'd be like, Oh, geez, they say they're gonna make the game shorter someday.

Can't be short enough. If you ask me, I'd love to get the hell out of here. The way the Brewers been playing. I was thinking about watching games from home and mail in my article. Oh, my God. Did you guys? Did you guys know that they they cut prices that have to place him to 25%? Isn't that great?

Have you placed I'm done. Oh, well, he doesn't have a stutter. So I'm not making I want to be clear, right and making fun of a stutter. He's just finding his way through sentences. You're making fun of him by assigning him a stutter is what you're doing, which is when he said he would only do that when he'd asked Craig, right?

It was going to Craig. So is that one thing? But any good impersonation like is you have to take like the one minor thing and then make it for everything. Yeah, right. But there's millions that are afflicted with a stutter and I really want to stress I'm not making fun. And by the way, I think that's because as reporters who do press like you don't know if you're going to be spoken at you to talk at the same time. It's not like someone raises their hand and they pass. You're like dipping your toe. Right. Hey, it's like it's like when we interrupt each other like like actually up and then you pause. Then you then you go down. Oh, someone else is also talking.

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You know, Luke Cage season two. Alfre Woodard's a tremendous actress, but. She is chopping up the scenery quite a bit.

All right. I want to talk about chopping up the scenery. What does that mean? What does that mean? Like every every word she says is just like. How dare you like it's just like, you know, like have you ever seen Forest Whitaker be like over actor? That's right. I agree. That's right. I agree. He him is my only experience with him was in Rogue One.

He played soccer era. And I'm like, why? It was a really weird I don't know.

And but it's just like that's a little part part for us. Bart is not a Star Wars guy. But I just got a I just got a compliment. Oh, come on. Well, I'm not a Star Wars guy, but I got a compliment.

Oh, I thought you I thought you were taking that as a compliment. I'm like, what's wrong with Star Wars? Craig, what's wrong with Star Wars? God dammit. Craig, is Jar Jar Binks only in there as a market to kids?

Oh, my God. Would the prequels have been better if they picked a different young man to play and a kid? I think the prequels have aged pretty well, actually, over the years. It was just a CGI that was no good. Yeah, I think the problem was people wanted to further the story before they before they went back into town for the soul.

This is suffering succotash. Someone on YouTube enjoyed my conversation with Andy Herman and said, I'm a great interviewer that I bring out the best in my guest. You kind of wanted to toot my own horn.

You have done that a few times brought out the best in your guests. I've also not interviewed David Stearns as hard as I should have. Yeah, you weren't you went you went pretty soft. Who knows if you would have pressed him a little harder. He might have stepped down enough, you know, after what we said.

Yeah, if I press him harder, he'd be with the Mets already and they'd be winning a bunch of games and then we wouldn't have this great season that we're having. Speaking of Craig Council, can I pull the whole I don't want to wear a hat, but I have hat head, but that's never stopped. Craig, he'll just sit there and go like this. I'm going to take this hat off and I'm just going to go like this. What do you think?

Devon wasn't available. Craig, do you know that you have hat hair? We got 10 games in 10 days, Paul.

What do you expect me to have time to use conditioner? You ever see Craig in like his normal going out to the grocery store? Close? No, no, no. Do you? Oh, I saw him once after a game.

We walked out of the tunnel together super awkward. But he was dressed like like, not well. He dresses younger than his age.

Okay. He looks younger than he looks much younger than his age. So he needs to Yeah, I are you are you throwing shade at someone who would quote dress younger than their age?

That's a shitty take. I haven't worn a pair of blue jeans in four years. So I don't know. Are blue jeans worn by young or worn by what I mean, I only wear clothes that I'm not I'm not criticizing anyone's wardrobe.

I I can't fit into clothes. So no, I just I thought okay, just a little hit. Well, Craig, it wasn't like you're saying it wasn't like a casual attire, young person casual.

It was young person hip. No, I think Craig Council is a guy that you know, I'm not saying he lays out his clothes the night before but he looks around and sees what the best outfit is. He doesn't just throw on fucking pair of shorts and the shirt he slept in and go to work. He's a representative of the hometown team.

Right? He walks around as a representation of the Milwaukee Brewers. Craig, would you say that them jeans would have fit your best hit to 10 years ago? Well, I don't know which which of the hard to court things you've done so far is going to be the clip but one of them is because this is I don't want to I don't want to write I would watch if I saw someone's podcast preview and it was that and I had never seen yours I would come watch your show. Listen to your show.

So but nobody knows what he sounds like it doesn't matter. He just sounds like you're doing Mr. Mackie. Mr. Garrison. I wish we could do other members of the Brewers beat like I wish McCalvey had an interesting voice. No, he's yeah, he's What were you gonna say Paul?

Or Bart? Well, my favorite moment ever on the radio at least top five is when Chuck was talking with Frank Caliendo. And and we had a good award winning interview.

Yeah, it did. We we were talking about I don't know, but then Frank's like, Yeah, I played I know this coach and Chuck's like, you know, this coach from four years ago. And then and then like, because Frank kind of did an impression of the coach. This is like a random high school coach or something like what other high school coaches can you do? And Frank, Frank's like, I mean, I don't I'm more focused on like the Morgan Freeman's and Robert Downey.

It's not a big market for the fucking gym gods or whatever the fuck an arrowhead. He found the perfect, like, impressions, though, for your co host Bart, that's for sure. Like, if he can do anything from any of the local Wisconsin coaches, that would be I had Chuck on the show. We have him on the Bill Michaels show on Tuesday, every Tuesday at 1230. Damn. So you can book you can schedule him better than the Bart Winkler show frames that a show with Tim, which was great.

I wish I could listen to that. But he actually messaged me in the morning. I woke up I had a DM from Chuck. He said, Hey, I think he said coach bills, exclamation points. Talk to you 1230 today.

Can't wait. Billsy by the way, when you just said coach bills, I initially heard as bi l apostrophe s as in like your bills, coach. Oh, coach. Like, if you're your bills, coach, grant bills.

Oh, coach is grant. Do you refer to as the bills? Michael show? You know, my coat, Mike, some of my co workers say that.

I don't like that. I'm trying to make the medium unit a thing. Struggling, but I know you see no see, we're on Bart and I are on to something now here. It No, I saw I saw Billy and summer fest. And he asked me something about the medium unit.

I go, Are you better? Yeah, he asked about the medium unit. No shit.

I thought he's making fun of you. I'll take it. You got you guys can give me two minutes to tell you this. Bill has it because you will find this hilarious. We have an intern who's been running Bill's board in the interim and interim intern. His name is Austin.

He's 19 years old. He's never been on the radio before got an internship, because he's friends with the son of someone who works in the building and we needed a board op. But this week, Zach's on me.

We have people on vacation. So Austin has nothing to do because I'm running Bill's show now. So he's just been co hosting with me. This kid. This kid started weeks ago have never been on the air in any capacity is hosting Wisconsin's largest network show alongside me and then leaving to go make sandwiches at fucking Jimmy John's at 230. This kid has no clue what's going on. And it's whole it is hilarious.

It's good. He's funny. Like he he has no hosting or like he can't use the hell out of him then. Yeah, but like I'll you know, step he did buy or sell. And the last one he I said, Can you do Can you make like three or four things for buy or sell? And the last one was simply buy or sell Bill's tiki bar, which we both bought the hell out of. And literally at two o'clock, this kid goes, All right, thanks for letting me do the show. And then he goes make sandwiches and sun Prairie until like six o'clock at his actual job.

What a king. Anyways, I do think, Grant, if you can establish your brand, to the point of, you know, it being the bills Michaels show is just a perfectly, you know, if you also want to run away from that too, like, I wanted I wanted my name to be barred on the radio, but they went Chuck and wick Winkler. Great. It sounded like wicked. And they were hoping to like fool people. That's so funny.

I like that about that. Yeah. Do you remember when Mike wicket absolutely totally 100% lived in Milwaukee during his final year of being on Chuck and wicket? Yeah, do you remember that so stupid that like, and that no one would care anymore?

No, absolutely no one would care anymore. But the only reason that I got Grant, you know that story, right? Yeah, but so the only reason, so the only reason that I got to do anything is because wicket moved at a time where it was taboo to do yourself from somewhere else.

Where did he move to again? Oh, yeah. Oh, to raise his three. Yeah. All right. I have a topic for you. This one is like grant. You're gonna love this one. Okay.

I mean, this is a grant bills topic. Orlando Arcea. You love him?

I do. Orlando. That's part of Bart's brand too.

But like, okay, we're gonna get into this. Orlando Arcea being the starting all star game shortstop is as surprising of a Brewers related type story for a player that any of us will be able to recall during this conversation. Orlando Arcea, I'm gonna preface this, the worst hitter in baseball multiple years is the National League starting all star game shortstop.

The most surprising baseball or Brewers related story that could have possibly been dreamt up or you too are I can't believe where there's still or there were Orlando Arcea marks when he left. I mean, this guy was brutal. A terrible, terrible player. Why?

Why every metric? I mean, he was so anti my Willie Adama's take was that the guy is good until it's clutch time, which Willie's been stepping up. Listen, Orlando Arcea was clutch and he was nothing else. He was clutch. He was so bad for the other eight and a half innings of every other you're not your brain is not going to remember every single moment of Brewers history.

And a lot of the moments I remember are Orlando Arcea. That's four hits, four hits in game 163. Paul, Joe Madden after the games like we couldn't get that bastard out.

I don't I don't know what was the problem. We couldn't get him out for a six to five game winner, I believe on an opening day against the Cubs. Oh, correct. Correct. Can I just do some stats here? I mean, this is a negative war player. If you are a neutral hitter, you're you have a 100 weighted runs, created wars only measures like things you do like with your bad and with your glove war doesn't your importance in the clubhouse and how much a clutch hit carries over to the team's morale war doesn't measure that shift in 20.

Okay, fine. I want to do I'm going to give you weighted runs created plus is a very easy one. If you're 100 your league average. If you're above 100, you're better than league average if you're below 100 in 2018 and 2019. It combined more than 900 plate appearances. RCA was the worst hitter in baseball both years with a 55 weighted runs created plus and a 61 weighted runs created plus in the 2019 season. He was a minus point nine wins above replacement. Like horrific, absolutely terrible.

You can tell me the Rotten Tomatoes score of Miss Marvel. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the hell out of that show. I'm glad you enjoyed the Orlando RC experience but him being actually good is bonkers. No, I saw it coming. Oh, you're both so full of shit.

No, I'm not in Paul. I'm not I saw come with VR got rid of him. RCA got rid of him. And then we like tried to make Jonathan scope happen.

This is gonna be an impossible thing to like research. But there's been there's no chance any player had 500 plate appearances and was a negative point nine war player who then became an all star. This is like, this is not already he's he's already able to have the big moments. He just needed to like, perform on the side stages. He was like a headliner.

He's Jimmy. He's a headliner. Like, it's a big difference. If I if I do, if I go out and like do a show in front of 300 people, I'd be more comfortable doing that than in front of 10 people. You got to like he was more comfortable on the big stages. And you can teach you can teach someone like that easier to be better on the smaller stages better than you can the other way around. I absolutely had it in him.

I absolutely love your analogy. So let me ask you the second part of the question because we're going to just as let me just read how I wrote it because I think it's important. Orlando RCA would not would Orlando RCA would not have achieved nearly this level of success in Milwaukee and needed a change of scenery to become this player.

Mm hmm. Or he needed a change of scenery as in he needed a team that would believe in him. Oh, that's fair. I mean, the Braves are the Braves are one of the best run organizations in sports right now. 100% they're tremendous, right? And they've made some moves like they traded away willing Contreras got another catcher.

They were great. They traded away Freddie. They didn't trade away Freddie Freeman. They elected to go get the other guy whose name is escaping me. Matt Olson.

Yeah, Matt Olson and it worked out great. And now they're getting you know, what they could have got from Dansby Swanson at that number versus what they're getting from Orlando RCA. Paul, your guy who gets this Orlando RCA always profiled as as a player that had potentially elite traits and all these different things. He was not not with his not with his bat though. I don't think his bat was ever considered anything other than like, first of all, you speak of Orlando RCA like he was a train wreck. He was horrible in Milwaukee, you know, run prevention man was wrong. Which is part of your war score.

I know it's important. And he still was a negative player. Look, you can have a little bad offensively he was you bring the stats I bring the eye test and the vibe. I just I saw it with him.

I just liked the guy. I always said this about Orlando RCA in a game where like on Sunday's game when the Brewers lost one to nothing and no one could get a hit or they won one to nothing don't get it. That's the type of game Orlando RCA would have four hits in the days where no one else could do anything.

He'd show up he wouldn't be phased for whatever reason that would be the game where he would have two doubles and a walk and like he would weirdly show up when nobody else did but then he would not show up when the entire rest of the team was hitting. He's a very bizarre player and I get he's complicated to break down and you know and I'm not saying you're a cat. That's not what I'm saying Paul but I think he was a hard player for a lot of folks to wrap their minds around and that's fine. I just not saying I always thought he had this in him but he was a good good player it sometimes it just takes patience. Yes I mean about this generation Paul there's no patience anymore. You're good into fast food society.

If I can't have it now you're out of here. Like we're gonna kick we're gonna kick in during a back to Jimmy John's forever. What if what if he's got the skills to be the next small unit?

Big medium and small. Be sick if he would just screen calls because then I would actually have to do nothing. We could put him on the other side of the glass and have him answer the phone and I wouldn't just do nothing.

It would be great. Listen I think the Brewers were as they were more patient than they should have been with him. You said you need like instant gratification. Two years running worst hitter in baseball. You can't possibly want to be like hey let's do that again.

Like at what I mean I know he was like 25 and 26. We sat through two shitty years of Yelich to get a better Yelich again. What's the what's the what's the ceiling outcome of that though? I'm watching what's the ceiling Jesse Winker had never proven that before though Yelich you had seen it yeah Arcea you were just hoping and you were drinking hate you were drinking hopium Bart you were doing if you thought comes up here and hits 150.

I need a goddamn minute here. If you thought Orlando Arcea in 2018 was going to become this player it's your hopium theory. There's nothing more to it.

Nothing. Maybe I just know ball better than you. With the worst hitter. Does ball does Paul know ball? I don't think he does. Listen I know Paul Reed stole my nickname but b-ball Paul can apply to both baseball and basketball. Disagree. Look I get what you're saying Paul.

I'm being difficult but I don't know and I'm being consistent. There's a little there's this is something about him and he was just such a and sometimes you just have it Paul. Yeah and he and he I mean I think like the clutch thing is part of the it right and he was extremely charismatic and and when he wasn't the worst turner in baseball fun to cheer for like you I wanted I'm so glad he's 16.

This sounds like I like don't like the person or that I didn't enjoy his like the way he performs the sport. It's awesome like much like Willy Adamas like it's harder to dislike when Willy's to me I know Bart disagrees with this. I don't I'm going to cheer for Willy Adamas. I enjoy the fact that he loves playing baseball. I love the fact that Orlando Arcea go gets a foul ball and takes a guy's popcorn from the front row like if you remember some of these times he would do that right and it's like that was that's awesome like that's great stuff the fact that I remember that six years later some random foul ball play like tells you like this is a great fun player to cheer for but so let me just let me force you to answer the question. Arcea would not have achieved this level of success and did need a change of scenery to become this player. Probably needed a change of scenery and it's it's maybe not that the Braves are that much better than although I think they are a better organization and a lot of things maybe you just needed to hear a different philosophy new information to shake something loose maybe the Braves philosophy isn't better you just needed to hear some different voices and have a change of scenery who knows I need a manager that believed in him and Craig obviously that's unfair man because again like I the the he gave him 500 plate appearances to be terrible yeah but he didn't believe in him you could tell oh okay all right any any other Arcea takes is anyone going to ask Craig about this this week does Craig have media available once the next time he's has availability he has to be asked about this right like this is this is why you and I will sing this until the cows come home this is why you need radio people at a press conference not the same radio person at every press conference because then they lose what makes them then they're too involved in the day-to-day you need to parachute in a radio person every couple of days because the beat reporters are like how's Hobie Millner's arm four times in five days and hundreds like the availability of this player and I'm like what Craig what what do you remember about Orlando like we're there to ask interesting questions not get the day-to-day well housekeeping details yeah and the long form right something that you can actually wow look at this I found a tweet I'm off which Brewers player will have a breakout season in 2018 this is from 12 50 a.m. the fan Bart says Jonathan VR Cody Grant says Josh hater smart good good take all that Freeman says Orlando Arcea Chuck also really really really liked or non Perez I remember like well I did he paved the way for Brewers utility men for the last five years you ever get rock and BA going on that it's so funny Chuck is you know I have such a positive affinity for the guy and I if I I would I would say this to his face but I remember one time I was listening or maybe I was working I don't know because I was at whatever it was and it was he was basically doing like a stump speech for why Aaron on Paris should be an all-star and I was like buddy like let's let's let's start with like I don't know well and now like oh what I mean it and if I said Chuck I meant rock but like Owen Miller will have a good game and then rock and BA will start seriously waxing poetic about and you know who made this all possible was there not a couple of years old yeah those guys we all like and it's like we'll find like the one example I mean it reminds me of Victor women Yamas summer league debut where it's like ESPN was putting together like the highlight packages but he was terrible I don't you guys saw like women Yamas debut his first game is very but his first game he was really bad but ESPN had this they had to sell they had to sell him right they had to like hey here's what he's it was like look at him grab this rebound with authority it was like uh like that's what you're doing if you're like trying to become an Orlando RCU guy or an Aaron on Paris guy like I'm gonna find like that one time that he was good all right I really enjoyed that conversation even though I mentioned another tweet that I found just because yeah wow like I need to delete this tweet so remember I always talk about in 2018 when the Brewers were a game away from the World Series and I called up the postgame show after they got eliminated drunk and was like this team they got to go all in this is their opportunity we think we're going to be back we'll never get that opportunity again July 22nd 2018 Kane Yelich ads were long-term moves with an all-in feel the Brewers overachieved in the first half again now the trade market is not conducive for what they need to win the division if I'm Stearns I protect my top prospects and see if minor moves can lock us into the playoffs well I mean the brand Yelich didn't start cranking like an MVP until August September 20 we misremember 2018 all the time like they were a fine team very exciting team until the last two months and then they just got it going but it didn't happen until later and it's same with Yelich so I defensible tweet I'm looking at my old RCU tweets and there are a lot oh this could be an exhibit in a grant bills museum it would be a whole wing of the museum I don't have the smoking gun one that I was looking for so we'll continue to look for those I have a co-worker tweeting at me saying aren't you the guy that said Orlando Arcea will be better than Luis Arias and I just quote tweeted said I did say that this like two years ago well good I do want to mention that we are also on the Dan Cheney YouTube stream Dan Cheney calm he'll help you out with your insurance like home insurance and auto insurance and work stuff if you have a business and the other things you need insurance for Dan knows it better than I do that's why I tell you to go talk to him Dan Cheney dot com before we switch lanes the only former old tweet of mine I will share is this one RC it was a fun to watch easy to cheer for but not good MLB player sometimes you need those guys you know you need your fair share of not good but fun to cheer for not too many that's the that's the thing maybe maybe this was the Brewers fault for not putting good hitters around Orlando Arcea I think that's maybe what the issue was yeah it is it's definitely the issue all right um 11 minutes quick quick time check 11 minutes yeah sure yeah and whatever you want whatever I want okay the NBA cup as it has been deemed will not will not resonate in the early years but will be a big success beyond like year I'll call it year five so in other words it's gonna take a while to anyone to care for the players to care for the fans to care it is not gonna be like some overnight first-year success people kind of be like poo-pooing eh but fast forward to like let's call it the year 2028 2029 it'll be a thing by then as players who are now 14 years old going into high school become NBA players and the younger generation becomes the NBA players they'll come up with it and then they'll so the NBA Cup will not will not be an early success at all but will become a long-term success mm-hmm or mm-hmm may I go first I feel like bar yeah I just want people to know that if you do go to the Dan Cheney YouTube stream ignore that my forehead is half the size of my face if you do not go to the Dan Cheney insurance stream I can tell you what he's telling you is true what the fuck that's the grammar angle that's that's all that is yeah it's gotta Jesus all right go ahead grant well I think you're gonna hate this Bart and I look forward to hearing your answer I think it will be an early success so I guess my answer is mm-hmm because I don't think this I don't think this is that crazy of an idea I don't think this is that wild of a scheme that the NBA is trying to pull off the way I see this is they're not really interrupting the regular season there's getting all the teams together in one place and doing something different and you know what if I had a little more money and a little more time what a fun thing to do with the fellas let's go to wherever the tournament is and watch some games right or at least let's get together or I'll watch it at home and it'll look different and it'll feel different it'll be something to break up the the monotony of the early season and I don't think there needs to be crazy stakes I don't think the players need to be crazy motivated let's just get together in a cool place play some round robin fun vibey style basketball and do something different to break up the season a little bit so I think that's the only purpose this needs to serve that's an easy purpose to serve and I think it will serve that purpose so I'll say it won't take time I think it'll be fine right away and if you're looking at this tournament to be anything other than what I just described I think you're asking too much I think you're looking for well the commissioner is that's the problem okay that's fine the problem the problem is the commissioner and I detailed this the other day on my sunday show which for some reason still is not on 1250 which didn't really bother me now I kind of like I'm a little annoyed never miss a book you're not put me on on sunday I'm on every sunday guaranteed running back ql in a state that doesn't have legal sports money I don't get it not my decision to make my decision to bitch about um I just so I spend a long time really laying it out why this is happening and I have you have to go through the european especially english soccer where there's divisions and they all play this other tournament he silver wants there to be something else to play for during the season which it's not set up to work here it's not set up for you don't have the logistics to set it up you don't have other leagues you don't have you know uh they have a regular season where there is no playoff so this is a playoff within there there's already a playoff now all you're really adding is an extra game for the two teams like there are other everything else counts as the regular season I was talking about this and the guy that I was doing the show with ej stewart who I love doing shows what I did uh da with him but he was talking about how this will be something right away to keep like november basketball who cares now there's going to be something in november early december that's got at least a little bit of juice to it anything's down the road maybe they throw in a chance at a lottery pick or a chance guaranteed in the plane whatever I just think that for it to succeed because the players might care about it if they're getting more money I don't know what fans are going to do to care about it I almost think for it to succeed like if the bucks win this cup it's not who cares we're going to talk about it and brag about it but in a facetious way if the bucks win with their summer league team and we can meme the hell out of this thing then it'll be fun if a shitty team wins then it'll be fun it almost needs to like fail to be good is my theory interesting take um I just like when the Nickelodeon game happened and people were like oh this is kind of cool is this what is this and then Mitch Trubisky won the NVP and suddenly the Nickelodeon game is the greatest thing ever here that's a good point it needs to be memed I just I don't I'm just speaking of veep grab what's a what's a meme ma'am what's a meme ma'am I don't know if you remember that when they're trying to explain the meme ma'am to uh I by the way I could do a whole podcast on veep that show took me for a ride but can I join you on that podcast yes yes a pop we'll do pop culture corner is the segment that I do on my show but not really but um there aren't stakes to games in December already you know what I mean like where this tournament is going the games already aren't important so if we just dress them up and make them look different and they're still not crazy high stakes that's fine I'm with you that I feel like Adam Silver wants there to be but if Adam Silver is aiming for one thing and in the process creates another that's still cool I guess I don't really care how the sausage is made I just care that it's good sausage at the end of the day and I think it will be you know and again this would be fun to go to I'd love it we all have that group chat where you talk about NBA games and you break down whatever Bill Simmons says in any given podcast that's what I was for I would love to go to the mid-season tournament with that group we all that group chat I would love to go to this now money and you know other there's other there's reasons why I probably can't at least this year but what a fun thing I think the okay let me ask you this way you guys watch a lot of NBA basketball or you know a good amount right like beyond just the Bucks are you more or less like more than either of you combined false you watch more Marvel I don't know what more me the are you more or less likely to watch the semi-finals game between two non Bucks teams then you would have otherwise been on a Tuesday in November yes yeah and that's the answer then right that's what makes it a good idea because I think if you ask them a hundred thousand casual ish you know NBA fans hey are you more or less likely or the same amount to watch this game on a weeknight in November because it's this tournament I do think the vast majority would say yes I am more likely to watch that yeah and for that reason I think but let me say ideally the only my only caveat and I don't know the answer to it is like will the current like will a 30 year old NBA player care let's say they've made eighty ninety a hundred two hundred million dollars in their career and the million dollars is always half a million dollars though not before the jock tax that's why they need it well that's why I like Lindell Lindell Wiginton and he's gonna be super excited for the NBA Cup but like you play those guys they're just gonna play the scrubs no I don't agree it's count so I don't agree that so I think I just wonder if the players will care any more than they would have for a regular are they less are they more or less likely to have a load management game like it's probably less likely to have a load management game right I don't think they're going to care any less and for that reason I don't I don't care if they care more just knowing that they're not going to care less is it's fine because it's going to be different and cool and more entertaining than whatever the random November December games would have been anyways well and I think the thing about NBA regular season basketball and this is why coach Bud was a really good regular season coach and whatever is you don't game plan against your opponent in the regular season it's like you just AAA versus major league kinda right so like in a regular season game you're not like all right here's how we're gonna attack this particular player like you're just you're gonna do your thing in rather regular season and then it's not until you're in a seven game series or a must win win and go home game in the playoffs that you're like all right here's how we're gonna counter-attack and dah dah dah dah dah dah I would think an NBA head coach is cool is going to treat think I would think an NBA head coach is gonna take that pink that playoff there that that NBA Cup game and they're going to do it as a must win sure just from a strategy and tactics perspective maybe which would be fun to watch like that that for me as a junkie for NBA would I would love that even if they do five percent more strategy great I'm not you don't have sky-high expectations for this if you expect little then I don't think you can be disappointed with what this is gonna be well and also do you think there could be and I don't say this facetiously at all like if you were Yanis you know generation after generation after generation after generational wealth right would you have like a rallying cry of like win it for Lindell win it for Chris Livingston because like I'm serious I think you know who I think is gonna go all out for this and then we're gonna wrap this up okay you know who needs an NBA cup more than anybody Chris Paul no that would be a joke Oh Chris Paul never won an NBA title but he had two NBA cups in his career well LeBron I was gonna say LeBron because then he can say Jordan never won an NBA car the fuck let me just ask you one last question John Wall held a private workout in Las Vegas Oh the Bucks current backup point guard according to sort of reading the tea leaves of Eric names interview with John Horst is Lindell Wigginton if they're unable to trade for Colin Sexton which I think they should and probably will yeah like no no fuck off with that bad take stop looking at a fake ass Twitter account it's sending it to us like it's whoa I'm I'm enjoying my NBA insider goat I think he's funny or it or him or she or I don't know what they love so Mike my point though is I can't verify this I was talking to a friend like a month ago and I was putting together Colin Sexton trades and there's only so many you can do and it's some combination of Portis grace and Pat there's no reporting right that's my account there's no reporting it's just like dot connecting I would not be surprised one damn ounce if that was a Paul's account if I do have to go I have to go do writer at the time okay do you want John Wall or no no you want Lindell Wiginton is the backup I have to go defend wall the people that are on Clay Travis's side that think that Pat Fitzgerald is innocent you're gonna go pro Pat today fuck no Oh cows coaches are the most like the thing you don't know it's going you know anything come on so you're gonna go and write your show and do this what you're gonna whatever you just take the people that agree with Clay Travis whereas oh I didn't mean to stay that way I'm gonna shit on Clay Travis I have fun yeah enjoy that but I'm also gonna ask if you are accused of something that you didn't do there's like no way to what what's the bet you can't like you can't like go and say I didn't do this because then people be like well I'm just saying and we can end with this what about all of the accusations in our country that are made that are unsubstantiated what happens to those people because I think they should go to prison too and what about China I still have not seen who is Clay Travis Oh Cuban Cuban has still not responded and comment why won't they just debate why won't they debate him I gotta go I don't know I honestly don't we debated Orlando Arcea bye if you only have a 401k you're not getting the most for retirement wait what add a Robin Hood IRA on top then they'll boost it by three percent you can do that and if you 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