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Okay. This is going to be a big test for this Packers offense. Christian Watson was practicing on a Wednesday.

So that seems good. But this is going to be a big test for the offense. The saints do not allow points.

They have a 10 game streak of allowing 20 points or less, which is a franchise record. So if you're doing your predictions this week, it could be a low scoring game. And this Packers team, which it seems like they are, they're almost scheming Jordan that have to make the tough throws. You would hope for some more underneath stuff. Not that they need, they're not going to go into this week and say, we need to get Jordan loves completion percentage up, but like not for the staff, but also maybe for the offense, you know, cause the way the offense tried to get things done in the fourth quarter wasn't good enough.

This guy does not need to be dink and dunk. You know, we don't need that, but short high successful completions chip away at the saints D I think might be the option here. We'll find out. This is going to be an interesting week at home. The home opener first home start is QB one. Really? Is this the first home start?

Yeah. It'd be the first home start for love outside of a exhibition. He started in Kansas city. So his mom should have pretty good seats is, is what we're all saying there coming up in the show, Dan Schaefer will join us. Dan's with the recombobulation area. And I just want to go over with him. What was presented on Monday in terms of the Brewers ballpark needs and the many obstacles that I feel are going to be in the way of fixing that.

I thought that a grant bills had a nice Twitter space the other night with a lot of good information, just a lot of people chatting through it. I was not drunk during that. I'm actually highly offended that you thought I was I don't start drinking until 9 45 PM.

That was around 8 45 PM. Get it straight. Don't get it twisted.

So I was offended about that. But the conversation I think is one that is going to continue to evolve and grow and nobody is going to come out of this happy. And so we got to try to figure out what's the best, what's the best scenario for everyone. And there's a lot of people at play. There's the city of Milwaukee. There's the County of Milwaukee. There's the County surrounding Milwaukee.

There's the rest of the state. There's Brewers fans. There's the Brewers. There's people that would willingly give the Brewers whatever they want. There's people that don't want to do that. There's people that will give the Brewers money, but don't think they should. There's urbanist who want to turn the whole parking lot into a garden.

And there's people that are very anti that. So there's going to be a lot of give and take here. And we'll talk to Dan Shafer coming up momentarily about all of that reminder, happy place and promo code bar 25% off each and every order at happyplacehemp.com. Get your Delta H or Delta nines, whatever gummy best fits you. Again, if you have any questions about how they work, you know, it is football season and it's a good reminder to kind of reset things with people is sometimes people just consume this kind of content during football or there's new people that, you know, maybe record shattering numbers since my face was on channel 12 for two and a half minutes. But if you've got any questions about what these gummies do CBD gummies, there's THC gummies.

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They will essentially be locked into a three seed. So really, I'm almost watching less what the Brewers do and more what the Cubs and Marlins and Reds and Giants do and Dbacks do. Giants are kind of fading, but I don't want the Brewers to play the Cubs for the same reason that I didn't want the Packers and Bears to play week one. Even though we got the desirable outcome, Packers won and the Bears have melted down.

It was still, I don't know, it wasn't worth the summer of just tension. And even if we beat the Cubs, it'd be one thing if we were going there, but we're going to host them here. Cubs fans will come out of the woodwork. It is going to be a talking point nationally.

It will be embarrassing. We're trying to build a new stadium. We're going to be invaded by a different team. Not a new stadium, but upgrades.

It's not a good look. So for several reasons, I would not like the Cubs to be our opponent in the wild card round. I would really be fine if that did not happen. We will, I think Thursday's pretty open. Brewers play in the afternoon. Could do a live stream on the Dan Cheney YouTube channel. I think that would, if people are around, we'll jump on YouTube for a little bit Thursday in the day, maybe look ahead to the Thursday night game, but but talk some brewers and just take stock of where they're at. If you guys are bored at work or whatever, that'll be on Thursday afternoon. All right. I got some voicemails 4 0 2 9 1 5 B A R T 4 0 2 9 1 5 B A R T. John had some thoughts after the Packer game.

I do want to get those in John and Franklin on the Carl's place voicemail line. A lot of give and take on the Packer game. Sometimes having a little time to reflect is good for me. I know some of my best takes are not necessarily a hundred percent accurate, but emotionally in the moment, I don't know if that's really going to happen this year for me because I just, I think this is a seven or eight win team and it's not a reflection bad on anybody. It's just, I don't expect that much more.

I'd love to be wrong. I'd love for them to win the division, even though they are kind of in a rebuild or whatever you want to call it. I mean, this is not a Superbowl team. We're not trading prospects at the deadlines. It's just not the year for that. Um, at times love looks really good.

Yeah. I'd look piss poor in the, in the 53 minute drill, 53 second drill, piss poor. And you would have thought from sitting behind Rogers and watching them in natural complete, a complete and easy short pass just to get the juices flowing, put the defense on their heels a little bit. And it just never happened. Um, I don't know what happened with the, I guess they were trying to draw them off side on that fourth and short play.

So I guess it was kind of smart even though it just collapsed. Let's be honest. They went into this game. I couldn't believe the players that weren't playing. I guess we should have known Jones.

Wasn't going to play as soon as he grabbed his leg last week. You know, we love the guy, but he's, he's out a lot, you know, and he, and he's so important to us. So, you know, it was not a great game by LaFleur, but what the hell are you going to do with so many critical offensive players out? You understand why they put so much resource into the defensive line. It's so important and the teams that have really good ones are really hard to beat at times ours looks like that, but they got pushed around in the second half.

I don't know how you fix that. I don't know if changing defensive coordinators fixes that. We got to run over and we got too much talent and too many picks invested for that to happen.

We're just going to see, we're going to see where this goes. Let's go ahead and get the saints next week. And when I assume you meant to say voicemail cut off there.

You get three minutes with Google voice three minutes. Yeah. Saints are going to be tough. I think, uh, you know, you look around the league and you can look at the Packers as like a good, bad team or a bad, I don't know, you know, that bad, good team or good, bad team saints are going to be a test.

Cause I don't know how good they are. You know, I offensively, I don't think their cars, the greatest that NFC South those teams are winning. I don't know what happened there and we play a couple of them.

We play all of them, but I've already played Atlanta and now, now the saints again, those were John's thoughts on the Carl's plays voicemail line, uh, Carl of et.com backslash Bart, uh, my cough I've been, I've been recording this. I've been pausing and, uh, wow. I'm really fighting through it. Okay. Uh, I got another one from the beer Baron. Now this is a topic that we're talking a lot about the stadium and this voicemail got the cough going a little bit because I was laughing through it.

There's complaints about the stadium that maybe we're not thinking about. And, uh, I really liked, I really liked this one. Again, this is a Carl's plays voicemail, Carl of et.com backslash Bart, check out golf simulators, put one right in your home, use the link or find it at Bart Winkler show.com. Here is the beer Baron.

Let's get it. This is the beer Baron I'm calling because I am pissed at the brewers. Um, I was at the game last weekend or a couple of games last weekend against the, uh, nationals. And, um, I believe it was the Friday night game. It was like 75 degrees or 70 degrees, uh, and they closed the roof.

Uh, and that just really sets, sets me off. There's no reason why we should have the roof closed on a night like that. And, uh, I feel like had we been, uh, you know, told that when this, when Miller park was being built, if we had been sold on the fact that there was going to be a roof, but the roof would be closed anytime it was 65 degrees or colder, I think we'd all say that the roof can suck. Um, at least speaking for myself, I'm pretty over going to a beautiful, uh, going to a ball game on a beautiful day and have to sit under a roof. Um, second point about the brewers that's pissing me off that I haven't really thought about before until recently is, uh, our sausage game.

It's terrible. The brewers are Milwaukee's like number one export is beats. And the ones that we're serving at Miller park are fucking microwave, hot dog, water, boiled pieces of shit that they just leave in the heating light for three days at a time.

Who even knows how old the hot dog you're eating is it's ridiculous. We got to do better. Uh, I don't have a solution other than, you know, figuring out how to maybe grill some broths on site. I was at guaranteed rate ballpark, White Sox stadium, notoriously, uh, one of the, uh, shittiest parks in baseball and they had grills and they were grilling brats fresh right there and they had raw or cooked onions on a flat top grill.

How are we missing that in Milwaukee? What are we doing here? All right. That's all. Uh, I'm sure I'll call with more great soon. Thanks. Bye.

I mean, I think that that's great. Those things need to be said. I think the roof we've gotten to the point where we assume it's, I mean, they do like to close it more than they keep it open.

Um, there are some beautiful nights. They close it. I still think in the playoffs it should be open. Even if it's 55 degrees, it's playoff baseball, man.

Keep that open. I think that I'm in the minority maybe on something like that, but yeah, the, the, the, you want it to enjoy it. You want the roof, the roof should be there to protect you when it's raining and when it's cold, if it's a decent night, if you would go to the ballpark and not worry about the weather, just because you might have to wear a jacket doesn't mean they should close the roof, close it when it's raining or wear a jacket or brewers sell jackets. This team sucks at making money. Speaking of that, the brewers don't want to spend too much of their money when it comes to trying to enhance the stadium and a lot of that money that is going to be used to enhance it, should it be enhanced is going to come from you.

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Dan Schafer of the recombobulation area is joining us. Do you never you never get tired of those pictures? Do you and people go to the airport? I can't imagine you do. No, I love it. I love it when people take the picture at the at the recombobulation area.

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Yes, I will let that that is true, especially so this is why I was talking for a myriad of reasons. Today we'll do Brewers in the stadium thing. Because a new proposal came out Monday, the whatever. And I was surprised that it was being held in the stadium. Because that means the Brewers are on board. I would think that when you're with your team that needs money. You don't present anything until you got it.

Like, even if it's the most because it was a GOP thing, even if it's the most like, right leaning, Democrat guy, at least have some sort of, it's got to be bipartisan. Otherwise, right away, it'll cut a line. And so I don't know why they did that.

And then with this proposal I'm looking at, it's like, do I even need to bother with the specifics and the details? Because it's been getting crushed. People don't like it. I think that where we're at right now, because what's going to happen over the next how many years is there's going to be proposal. We'll look at it. We'll talk about it. We'll chew on it.

We'll spit it out. I just feel like this process somehow is going to go longer than the Bucks one, that this one's going to get dragged out. Because it seems like the, I identify with the Brewers, Dan.

I lost my job at one station. And like everyone still wants to tell me what to do. Nobody wants, everybody wants to claim that they have rights over me, but nobody actually wants to pay for me. And I feel like that's what's up with the Brewers. Everyone wants to claim like they're Milwaukee's team, they're the state's team, they're the county's team, but nobody actually wants to pay. I just feel like this is going to be a lot sloppier than the Bucks one. I think there are some very interesting parallels to be drawn with the Bucks Arena deal.

I covered the Bucks Arena deal in a past life when I was working at Milwaukee Magazine. And I think you kind of touched on a little bit there, having Robin Voss and Wisconsin Republicans introduced this, makes this kind of a partisan aspect to it. Obviously Governor Evers also proposed funding for this earlier in the year in his budget. So I think there are some momentum that both sides of the political aisle want to see something done here. But I think this is one of those interesting moments where you have an issue that doesn't always cut along traditional political lines. And those are the types of issues I'm often drawn to. I think the highway funding debate was another one of those that I covered really in depth a couple of years ago. But I think this one kind of falls along those lines as well, because you see a lot of voices on the right saying we shouldn't subsidize private businesses or whatever.

You have voices on the left saying much the same. The Bucks Arena debate required, you know, it was a proposal put forth by Scott Walker and Wisconsin Republicans, but it required some buy in from Milwaukee Democrats in order to get that deal over the finish line. You know, there were not, Republicans at the time were not unanimous in their support for funding the Bucks Arena deal.

I think that you're going to see a similar dynamic unfold this year. So I think, you know, the Robin Voss and Wisconsin Republicans are going to need some bipartisanship to get this over the finish line. And there are some very tricky pieces of what they have proposed, especially when you get to the local funding component.

Because when Tony Evers proposed this in February as part of his budget, it was just state funding. Robin Voss came back and said, no, Milwaukee County City and County of Milwaukee, they're going to need to contribute to this plan as well. I think for a lot of people at the local level in Milwaukee City, Milwaukee, Milwaukee County, we just went through this very long, complicated shared revenue battle, where I think a lot of people are thinking have that fresh in their mind say, hey, we need this funding to be able to keep the lights on to be able to, you know, fund public safety and parks and transit and all the different things that, you know, are part of city and county local government are a little bit frustrated to, you know, kind of reach that point, have that deal signed a couple months ago, and then immediately ask for more from local taxpayers to fund this, fund the stadium repairs, especially as it doesn't always gel with the priorities that leaders in the city of Milwaukee and Milwaukee County have talked about, you know, Mayor Cavalier Johnson in the last 24 hours since that proposal dropped has talked about, you know, wanting to see more eye on larger reinvention. You know, we've talked at the reconbibulation area about a potential quote unquote, beer district for, you know, for that the stadium district could could develop around American Family Field as well.

So I think there are a lot of really tricky questions. The local aspect of this, I think is where it gets particularly thorny. And, you know, you know, looking ahead, I do think people want to get to a consensus on keeping the Brewers here get a deal done to get keep the Brewers here. And but I also at the same time, I think the public sentiment is is in such a place where there's not a lot of support for public funding for first stadium deals.

Yeah, that is going to be a really tricky political landscape to to navigate as this goes forward. Because the Brewers being located where they are, I mean, dream scenario is they play downtown or some somewhere for me, I think that that's, that's for me, because they're in a place and I've complained about this a lot. It's like, you can very easily come to a brewer game with when they not really come to Milwaukee. You can you can stay in Brookfield. You can you know, whatever you you take Yeah, you take a bus shuttle bus shuttles are great.

They got those over there. You know, you can you can do everything and you can get in and out and then it's like, Oh, I went to Milwaukee. No, you didn't.

You drove. You got off on a you know, so there's a lot of people that access it that way. There's also a lot of people that access it being in Milwaukee, where yes, I'll take advantage of the five county days. I'll take it I got nothing to do.

I'll go to a game. You know, there's a lot of people that access it. It's just like, like I said earlier, everybody wants the Brewers really loves the Brewers. You know, nobody wants to pay. Because we're all gonna say like, if I'm in Milwaukee, which well sure would, but I'm gonna say like, there's too many of these. Like I'm saying people every county should pay you guys all use this. You guys all use this don't give any money to Milwaukee.

And then they're gonna say it's in your backyard, man. We we so I don't know that that fight gets resolved before you even go to like city and county. I think you got another big state verse Milwaukee area here.

Yeah, that's definitely a piece of it. I think having this proposal be the only the only place bringing local dollars to to the overall package being the city of Milwaukee and Milwaukee County. And you know, as somebody who lives in the city of Milwaukee, I would essentially be taxed three times for this as a city resident, a county resident and a state resident, you know, the three pots that I'm paying into as a taxpayer is getting divided up as pieces of this bill. And I think, you know, there was a recent event that the Milwaukee Business Journal hosted in Waukesha, where Waukesha County Executive Paul Farrow talked about the benefits for Waukesha County for having the Brewers there. Well, Waukesha County is not part of this funding proposal, you know, and the five county region is not part of this funding proposal. So, you know, they're really leaning on the city of Milwaukee and Milwaukee County to pick up that local contribution and just dropping it all for Waukesha, Ozaukee, you know, and the rest of the five county region. So I think that is going to be a real point of frustration for people Because it helps, the Brewers is an economic impact that does help everybody. You know, even if you're like, I always say, oh, I'm taking a bus from Eau Claire. Okay.

You stop in Moston, you guys load up at a Hardee's. I mean, that's because of the Brewers that did something. The Brewer, I think the Brewers leaving is the option that we can have that would be terrible. If they want to use the cheaper to keep them thing again, that that's great. Yeah, they're playing the hits with that one, you know, I mean, somehow, somehow it worked.

I don't know, but somehow it worked. So I, I just, I just feel like it's going to be such a battle to get to that point. And the other part of it is this is for a team who I have been very outspoken that may have the worst either PR strategy or PR luck that you could ever have. Not in terms like the team is great. We love the team, the front office.

That's great. Everything in the F there's like a, there's like a level of that building where they get everything wrong, where it's like, we're going to do this patch thing and it's going to give us money. That's why we're doing it. Northwestern mutual immediately after that, it's a whole, we need a bunch of money. And then with the owner, cause I think there is, we'll digest a little of the public funding. I think people say they don't want to, but you get $2 on your tax bill.

You're not, you're not paying attention to that, but then the owner's buying a soccer team and buying baseball cards. And it's just like, if you're going to ask for money, tighten up the budget a little bit and don't flaunt all these other things. So I just think from the brewer's standpoint, you have that little circle, you have the county city, you have, you know, what we should do with the land, the parking we haven't talked about yet.

It's just so many things where there's not going to be an answer that satisfies everyone. And I think a lot of us are going to keep fighting for the answer that satisfies everyone that ultimately I don't think the brewers will ever move, but I, I think this is going to take a while and it's going to get ugly. It might, but I also think there, you know, there, there is an appetite that people do want to get this done. I, you know, the fact that both Evers and Voss have put some sort of proposals forward.

And even though there is, you know, kind of some trepidation on the local level from, from Johnson and Crowley about the local pieces of this, I think there is going to be enough momentum to get something done, but it is, I think, again, you're talking about navigating this tricky political landscape to get there. And I think what your point about the brewers and their PR strategy with this is a good one because they're, you know, you're right there, the patch and the stadium funding package details being out on the same day is, is kind of indicative of what the larger strategy has been. And I think if you look back to, you know, we have this example of a successful approach to this, a very recent local example of a successful approach to this with the Bucks Arena. And I think what worked well with the Bucks Arena debate is that they sold this as a way to transform a part of the city. You know, they wanted to build the Deer District. They want to develop the land around the stadium. They wanted this to be a catalyst for larger change in Milwaukee. I think that has worked pretty well so far, you know, requiring union labor on the project, requiring these connections to be made with the Deer District and some other things throughout the city.

I think that has been a really positive development and the brewers have taken a completely opposite approach to this, where they have basically said, yeah, we just want money for renovations. We don't want to do anything differently with the parking lots. We don't want to do anything differently, you know, to engage the surrounding neighborhoods on the west side of Milwaukee and West Milwaukee and Milwaukee County and things like that.

We just want money to do the same thing over again. And I think that is where a lot you're going to see a lot of the resistance and what I, you know, disagree with on this as well is that if you're going to make this kind of public investment in a stadium, which, you know, you can debate the merits of that, but if you're going to make this investment, it should have the goal of larger transformation, larger impact for the city of Milwaukee. You know, we're not going to change the city by doing the same thing over and over again. I think everybody recognizes that Milwaukee has a lot of issues that need to be addressed. We're not going to address them by doing the same thing all over again. And I think, you know, some of what I've been hearing from people at the city level is that they don't want the American Family Field to look the same in 2050 at the end of this deal as it does now in 2023.

I think that I agree. We did just have the Deer District, you know, so I love being on urbanist Twitter, man, and seeing all the, what are we going to get done? But I think in Milwaukee, it's like where other cities might get changes in years, we still need generations. And I think there's a lot of people that are like, okay, I'm still catching my breath from the Deer District.

Now you guys are talking about 794. And now you're talking about the highway. And now you want a Beard District.

I mean, Christ, I got to catch my breath here. I saw, I think there's, there's part of that, that there's a lot being thrown at people at once. And you know, I read your Beer District thing and to you, you see what's happened in St. Louis and you see what happens.

Atlanta did something. And I think it would be great to have a new kind of area there. People would have to get used to going there because right now no one goes to that restaurant.

No one goes to X golf. You know, people would have to get used to doing that. I think at minimum, at minimum, just take away one parking lot and make it a pond.

Like don't even like, don't eat. Cause you just have too much parking. There is no way that everyone looks at that much parking and says either that's not enough or that's just right. So you want to put a couple of bars and a mixed housing.

You want to put a hotel. I mean, I'm, I'm willing to dream as far as we can dream, but at minimum, it is too much parking. Can we agree on that? It is more part, there is more parking at American family field than there is at Disney world in Florida.

That that's not an exaggeration. Even on prime tailgate, tailgate days, Dan, there's still enough parking. Exactly. And those parking lots are only used, you know, 80 to 90 days a year. What are we doing with the other 200 some days a year with that huge valuable pieces of land? You know, you could have more year round activity. You know, I know they talked a little bit about wanting to winterize American family field as, as part of this proposal. I'm interested to see what exactly that is supposed to mean and how much they do do a turkey trot.

They do, they do a turkey giveaway. You know, I do think having more events year round would be a great thing there. But at the same time, you can, you know, Rick Schlesinger made some comments in local media this week about wanting to preserve tailgate culture.

And that's great. You could, I think we can preserve tailgate culture and still redevelop some of those parking lots that could be used in some more of a year round fashion. You go to green Bay, there's people tailgating in the parking lot, but also at houses also at ACE hardware is where we parked. I mean, and that's the thing that's a year round thing that worked with title town. The brewers need to, again, this is, this is, I think, you know, cause there's so much to talk about. It's just a very narrow, it's a, it's a very narrow minded thing from the brewers, which is already going to hurt when everybody's fighting for every, you know, what dollar is going to come into this. And I, I I'm just, I'm kind of stunned that the brewers are just like, cause I, I just did a tailgate for the show and somehow it was successful and we spent a lot to make the tailgate happen. And a hundred dollars of it went to the brewers for the little grid.

That was it. They're not getting any money off my charcoal. They're not getting any money off the food. They're not getting any money off the beer. Like there's gotta be, they, they gotta be like, they, do they want to make more money?

It seems like sometimes they do not. It's, it's just a total lack of creativity. And I think, you know, you, you look at some of the projects connected to this stadium and that are surrounding it. You know, you have, we have this whole debate also happening about, you know, potentially tearing down the stadium freeway, which I've advocated for that would free up some land for development. If they get rid of the stadium freeway, that little two mile spur going North, that would free up some development, maybe not having the massive stadium interchange that is proposed as part of the East West highway widening. Maybe that would free up some area. And also too, I think, you know, there's the now vacant former Komatsu plant was at one point, Joey global right across from one 75 there, you know, that's an empty manufacturing facility that no one has any answers for what they could do. Maybe that could be part of a beer district, you know, engaged with West Milwaukee, talk, have some creative solutions to, you know, renovate that space, make it something that is not just an empty warehouse, empty former manufacturing plant.

And, you know, bring something that could be a destination for people. I just think there's so many opportunities on the West side of, on the West side of Milwaukee, you know, around the ballpark that we could be realizing that we're not. And just the lack of creativity with this plan is I think the most frustrating aspect of it, because they're not aiming for a larger transformation the way that the bucks arena deal did. They're just saying, Hey, let's, let's do the same thing all over again. Let's keep everything the same, which in 2050, then our kids will be talking about this. Exactly. Exactly. So it's, it's a frustrating approach.

So I, I, with everything that we've said in this, in this time, there's the brewer's wrinkle. There's you know, I haven't touched on like, if people are going to pay taxes into this, Oh, well, why can't it go into this? I get that.

But it's different sports. It's that money's not going to be available unless it's like, and there was a, my, there was 800, they built an $800,000 gate for the football field. And someone's like, well, why don't you give that to the schools? If you're going to give that money goes, the booster is like, no, it's for this. I'm you either get this or you get nothing.

So there's always that aspect to it. There's the County, there's the city, there's the state, there's the brewers. There's Hey, let's, let's make it big. Let's do nothing. Let's do a little, because of all that, I just feel like there's too much.

We're going to, we're going to be right at the finish line. You have seemed a little more optimistic that maybe this doesn't have to take as long. This is like kind of a soft way to ask you for a prediction of how this will end. I do think they will be able to get to a deal. I think there's enough common ground in this proposal where people will find a way to get to a deal. I think it's going to require a lot of compromise. I think local politicians are rightfully frustrated that this isn't a regional ask, that this isn't, that this comes just right on the heels of the shared revenue debate, which was such a difficult one for Milwaukee, where they hadn't made all these policy concessions. But I think there is, I think Robin Voss wants to get this done. I think Tony Evers wants to get this done. I think people in Milwaukee want to keep the brewers here.

It's just a matter of doing it right. And, you know, I think they might have the votes at the state level to do something even, even without Milwaukee having a say in this. Like I, I I'm trying to learn more about the deal. If they pass what was proposed on Monday, I'm not sure if it would require local votes at the county board and city council, the way aspects, certain aspects of the bucks deal did, especially at the city level. I do think there's a way for this to get done. I do think it's going to be kind of a difficult debate over the next couple months. I think there's going to be, you know, public hearings scheduled either later in September here or early October.

And but, but I do think there is a path to something getting done. Well, it's fun that it's completely derailed our excitement of a playoff race. I'm glad that the Brewers again, can you can wait till wait till you're bounced or something to give over your, your dugout to, I just, I love this team so much, Dan, I just despise every piece of them, but if they move, I'd be crushed. I'm doing Brewers cosplay right now. I I'm with you. I'm, you know, I'm, I'm a big Brewers fan too.

I love going to games. I would hate to see them leave. But I think the political landscape for this is very different than it was, you know, eight years ago when there was the bucks arena deal. And I think just the fact that it is a bigger public ask than the total cost of building Pfizer forum is going to make people really, really balk at this. And I think there are, there are a number of Republicans too, that, that, you know, I think they're the Koch brothers group Americans for prosperity has been very vocal in their opposition to this.

And so I think there are going to be a number of Republicans who are greatly influenced by you know, outside groups like that. But, but I do think there's a path to getting something done. I think there is, you know, the, the, what was proposed, this is the beginning of a negotiation, right? So they're going to over overshoot a little bit for what they're going to do and make it look like they're making these concessions on local dollars versus state dollars or board seats for the stadium district board. And I think it's important too, to recognize that like the state owns this facility, this isn't owned by the Brewers, the state owns the stadium.

So if the, if the Brewers leave, the state is still going to own the stadium and what, and what, and what happens then, you know, what, what happens then if there is nothing there? Well, congrats to the Milwaukee milkman. You're now playing 40 games. Congrats to you.

Yeah, I don't know. I, people always clown the Packers, but I'd pay $300 right now. If it just guaranteed me one, the Brewers never left.

And two, we never had to hear about this stuff again. I'd pay, you can tax me back door. I'll buy stock. I don't care. Yeah. You got to subscribe, get the free, get the freeze or subscribe, but keep up the good work, man. Us, us indoors got to stick together. That's right.

That's right. Independent media, growing independent media in Milwaukee. You have like a, you're like a real, you like created, like you're, I'm not on your level. I'm just some bozo in a basement.

We're both bozos in a basement. That's what's great. You know, as traditional media flounders in a lot of ways. So those of us doing things independently, you know, or do I love your show. I think you're, what you're doing is great. I have a ton of respect for, for what you've been doing.

And, and, you know, I, I, like you said, I think we got to stick together and support each other in this. So well, I'm there for you whenever you need me. Well, thanks for having me. Always, always glad to have a, have a conversation about, about things like this. Thanks Dan. Thank you.

So thanks again to Dan. I don't know what the right answer is. I, you know, I, yeah, I want 794 torn down. I, you know, I see these urbanist pictures and I'm like, Oh my God, city could look different. Why are we, you know, I'm anti highway, all this, you know, I just think there's too much parking. Again, we don't need to put botanical gardens in the parking lot, but there is too much parking lot. If you could just move the highway, if you could flip-flop blue Mount in the highway, that would change everything.

Cause there are game day bars, you know, and you take a little shuttle, but just the whole, the whole outlook of the area and like things that would be created next to it would be different if, if those things were flip-flops somehow. Also, I don't, are they, are they going to knock down some of that cemetery for that highway? You can't do that. That's very disrespectful. And then that creates ghosts.

I'm not sure technically that that's how that works, but I would never, I would never fuck with the cemetery. All right. Hot Take Jake has a voicemail on the Carl's Place voicemail line. Hello, Bart. It's your boy, Hot Take Jake.

Let me talk to you. First things first, this Brewers stadium thing is just so annoying, but so typical. You have two sides of the political coin that both want to get something done, but you know that they're just going to make it a fight because that's the political world that we live in. I mean, I remember Grant talking, throwing a little bit of shade at the nineties, but I'll give the nineties credit for this.

Back then the politicians had somewhat of a semblance of working together. Now it's just like, you know, you're fighting for the sake of fighting, even if it means going against what your party stands for. And it's just really disappointing. Me personally, I don't give a shit about tailgating. I don't give a shit about retail space.

I don't give a shit about condos or any of this shit that's being thrown around. Either build a new stadium or fix the one that we have. I don't give a shit because I just need one of them done. If you don't, you're going to fuck around and lose the team. And maybe that sounds crazy right now, but this is how it starts.

So get it done. You a-holes. Speaking of the Brewers, Bart, I'm really disappointed in you. I mean, we could all be a little bit lame from time to time, but for you to not even want to open up the article about Ryan Braun and the biogenesis and all that shit, dude, come on, read the article. I know in this day and age, admitting we're wrong is a fate worse than death for most people. But if you read the article, I don't see how you can walk away and still defend the guy. He's an a-hole. I mean, you deciding that I'm just not going to read the article.

That's like saying, yeah, you know what? I'm just going to watch the Cosby show. I'm going to watch Mr. Huxtable make vagina jokes. And if that's the, as long as I do that and I don't read the news and Bill Cosby is the greatest man alive.

He's not, by the way, he's actually a big hypocrite, which is probably the worst part of the whole thing. But I digress. Bart, read the article, get informed, do your own research. And that's all I got. Just remember I'm the truth and the truth is painful.

All right, Jake. I mean, first of all, about the nineties, I think you're remembering nineties politics a little more starry eyed than they were. Bill Clinton got impeached cause he got a blow job. So it was very, it's partisan now. It was very partisan then.

It's been partisan for a long, long time. I know you didn't just compare Ryan Braun to Bill Cosby. Like the things that Bill Cosby did were awful. Ryan Braun, I don't care enough about what he did to change my opinion about the satisfaction he gave me. So I don't, I don't need to read an article. Basically, Ryan Braun is a loser. Here's why.

Reason one, reason nine, reason eight, reason 15. I don't need, I know the story. I know what happened. You know, wasn't the cleanest way to go about things.

The worst part he did in all that was have that press conference denying everything. But Ryan Braun was a good baseball player who gave me good memories for my team. And I don't, you know, I know that like maybe he was a jerk or maybe whatever. I'm not here to, I'm not here to fish for reasons to take away the joy I felt watching him play. I'm not here to do that with him. Cause I'm, now I'm thinking of, well Aaron Rogers. I don't know.

I don't, don't just, just don't, don't, don't quote me on that one. Braun, Braun, I just don't think it was, it wasn't bad enough or annoying enough or whatever. Maybe I wasn't doing a daily radio show.

So I wasn't inundated. Braun wasn't going on Johnny King every night. What the fuck is his name? Larry King. I don't know. Whatever. I'm not reading the, I'm not reading the article. I don't want to read it.

I'll do my own research. You you're right. 4029152278. That is the phone number for voicemails. Here's a couple more Packer ones. Uh, this is from Landmark. Good day, Bart.

It's Landmark. It's been a minute. So I figured I would come in here and talk to you a little bit about the Packers.

Been in every day or out there. Listen to the podcast, listening to y'all talk about A.J. Dylan.

Now the thing with A.J. Dylan is there are people who think that he's Derek Henry. He is not Derek Henry.

There's a lot of thick boys out there in the league running this football. A.J. Dylan is one of them, but he is not Derek Henry. There's really not a lot of Derek Henry's except for, you know, Derek Henry.

So we've got a temporary expectations for A.J. Dylan a little bit, but he does have a Kringle collaboration right now with uncle Mike's up in the green Bay area. This quad Berry Kringle or something. If y'all want some really good Kringle, that place can change your life.

Not a sponsor of course, but it's delicious. So check that out. But other than that with the Packers, I think the biggest thing is they without Jones and Watson don't have a whole lot of dynamic playmakers on offense. Like obviously Reed is young and new.

Musgraves young and new. They're just running around out there doing whatever, but they need dynamic playmakers to support Jordan Love. We have for so long been dependent on Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers to make anybody who walks off the street amazing.

And for a lot of times in their career, they were able to do that. I don't think we can depend on Jordan Love to do that just yet. He has been better than expected, but I'm not going to expect him to make anything of this.

He's dude or the Wix guy or anybody else. So we just need to get some more dynamic playmakers. Look at Atlanta. They've got Bijan. They've got Drake London. They've got Kyle Pitts. They've got 18 other random dudes too in their quarterback. They're horrendously afraid of their quarterback, but at least they've got playmakers surrounding it. So I think once we get Watson and Jones back, it'll be a little bit of a different story, but that defense, they have put too much time and too much capital into that defense for them to play the way that they did.

And that is really the disappointing part. I can see that my three minutes are almost up. So I'm going to say, we're just going to keep hanging out with the brewers and put the thing out there for people who want to talk about wrestling. I am in if you need me. Anyway, I'll let you later. Goodbye. So the Kringle sound good landmark.

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Hey, this is teacher Tom. I'm calling in after listening to the Tuesday show and pushback for Dan and the people on that. Well, maybe isn't as bad as what we've been saying, but I agree. He's not a great head coach. I think there's a lot of good things with offense and he is doing a good job with the young guys, but back in January, and there's nothing to be ashamed of being a great offensive coordinator. He's only 32 of those jobs, but he's maybe not quite out to be the head honcho would be the leader. So I'm sticking with that one.

I don't agree with you, Dan. Also, good to be back to teaching and still doing a little bit of painting interview with Jake from the Wisconsin bike bed. I enjoyed painting his house and another one of those listeners. And then that tailgate was a lot of fun. It was so stinking hot, but we had a great time. Glad you did it by the way.

It looked like it might fall apart, but glad it happened. And we had a blast by by Tom. Thank you, Tom. You know, chipped in on the tailgate, teacher Tom's great guy.

He was there with his dad and yeah, he painted. So the bike fed, I talked to Jake teacher, Tom painted Jake's house. We are just trying to connect people or people helping people. There's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of businesses out there.

There's a lot of people with services and goods. Why not help each other out? We're all in the same place.

We all like the same stuff, help each other out. So that's what is cool about this is the connections that have been made along the way. You heard from Jake from the Wisconsin bike fed again, the whole point with talking to them is trying to just make sure people drive a little bit safer. A lot bit safer would be nice, but just a little bit safer, safer. They're doing the lights on slow down, look around campaign, because those are some things that you need to do.

It's getting darker earlier, obviously. So crashes do go up and not just like car to car, you know, car to car, you at least have that big armor of protection around you or so it seems you're on a bike. I mean, you're in trouble.

You're walking, you know, that's, that's rough too. So be careful. All right. I know. I think a lot of times we probably drive places more than where the walkers or the bikers, but when we're the walkers and the bikers, we are the skateboarders, whatever, you know, we, we are much more aware of how violent those things can be. So a Wisconsin bike fed, just reminding road users, get those lights on slow down, look around Wisconsin bike fed.org.

As I'm recording here, MJ Hurley, he has been on my show before I've done his he's been on my CBS show. He is reporting that Bakhtiari will not play this weekend. So we'll see.

I haven't got around to what LaFleur said about it. I think that if you're David Bakhtiari and everyone's talking about you protesting turf, I think the move is don't play the next game when it's on grass. Cause then they'll say, all right, he's a, he's not a protest. If he was feeling a little bit of backlash because Bakhtiari had not come out on this. I'm going to record this before any media stuff. And he talks because I got to get out to the Steve and then get some sleep. But the move would be, if he's feeling some heat, then he doesn't play.

Cause I don't, if he's going to take a stand, I think we would have seen that by now. All right. Picks on Friday, we'll be live Thursday afternoon, talk some brewers until then you have a good one. We will talk to you soon.