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Indeed.com slash BlueWire, terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? You need Indeed. Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler.

Actually, maybe good afternoon or good evening. I have decided to break up audio wise and I guess video wise, the Packers content and the Bucks content. So I didn't know, I'm just trying to think as a podcast consumer. If you want Bucks stuff, do you want to do you want to fast forward a whole hour or do you want just two separate things? I really I really had a long conversation about this.

I thought about this for a good 90 seconds and I thought I'll break them up. So if you're listening to this one, there's no Bucks on this one. I'm posting this before the Bucks game plays and then there is a separate Bucks show, both audio and video on the Dan Cheney YouTube stream and also on the normal podcast stream. So this one's being posted on Sunday, October 29th. It is a Packers show, all Packers, a lot of fun guests join throughout.

It gets a little chaotic as always, some new first timers again, which has been really, really awesome to see that momentum. And so we'll talk some Packers. And if you're looking for Bucks, check out a different video and or a different audio podcast, which will drop at its normal 5 a.m. time.

That'll be the normal 5 a.m. droppage. And this Packer one is you're listening to it right now. Bon Appetit. We will start with the Green Bay Packers who are with apologies to Dan Cheney's kids. They are fucking terrible. The team is bad. They are not good. There are very few redeeming qualities to this team. And this is bad. This this is bad. The Badgers lose 24 to 10 and we kind of feel OK about it.

Like they lose 24 to 10 and it's like, hey, Packers lose 24 to 10 and they should be embarrassed to show their faces around Green Bay. I don't know if they've got any like, you know, food drives or we surprised by your groceries or whatever, but they need to they need to stay in their houses. If they are in a neighborhood that does trick or treating, they should just put a. Just put a. A bucket out and just let the kids fucking take the candy because they cannot be.

They cannot be in public for a while. I'm Barr Winkler. Matt in the Falls is here right away and ready to go. Matt, how are you? I'm all right.

This is about what I expected. I did not write this victory in blood, like some people that I know. Yeah. So I don't know if it. It feels like. Oh, that never mind. That was Yanis and Damon stuff that I was conflicted about.

Now I'm conflicted about. I don't think Jordan Love is that bad. I think he's making he's definitely making some mistakes, some bad mistakes, but I don't think he is that bad. I think that the things around him are bad and it's very hard for him to. You know, it's very hard for him to be good right now.

Well, again, and this is kind of the theme. They set this up where they build a roster around him. That is a bunch of guys trying to learn as he learns. And if that's going to be the case, you're going to get moments where Jayden Reed had a football in his hand and it got picked away from him. You're going to have moments where Luke Musgrave can't catch a football. You're going to have moments where Christian Watson is not that good. I don't know what we thought we saw on him.

He's been bad. And like the thing that I'm noticing is when I go to make a post on X is what happens is I'll say something sort of in defense of Jordan Love or just saying like, it's not. And it's the same people. So clearly there are camps of people that have made their decision. He sucks.

And there are, there are people like me who still want to give him the benefit of the doubt and thinks he deserves it. They built a roster that was very, very bad. They built the roster on top of the stairs. Yes.

They built the route. My family's back from trick or treating. They're back from trick or treating, which I did partake in for a little bit, but they built a roster that is downright horrendous. And you're asking Jordan Love to, to show some things with this roster. Now, one thing that does trouble me as a Jordan Love supporter is I see Will Levis come in there and throw touchdowns. I see Tyson Bajan come in with no experience and win a game. So I get a little like worrisome that we haven't seen more, but then again, if he had a better competent and capable players, it's just, it's very conflicting.

We, the Packers have not provided a team where we can say a definitive answer on Jordan Love. It's all like blue, blue dress, white dress. It's like, whatever your eyes see, that's what you're being told in your brain. When the answer is, who knows what the answer is?

That's right. Like, I mean, the, the drops were bad today. He had several throws that were just, just right outside of the, you know, of where they needed to be. The offensive line was not very good.

So like, they're like changed those couple of things that are easily correctable or hopefully easily correctable. And you know, things, things aren't that bad. The defense wasn't great. Just wasn't like, I see him make some plays. It's like, wow, that was a pretty good play.

Like not a lot of, not a lot of guys can make that play, but then he's, he's making bad throws and he's making bad decisions and he looks like a rookie, but you know, he kind of is. I want to read some comments here. I want to do better on the comments. Somebody else hop in.

I know you're out there. I got a couple of people we'll bring in in just two seconds. Mike says, change play caller. No, no, we back to my voicemail. No, if we change play caller, we fire the floor. Mr. I'm still dead says, good thing I have the diamond backs to help me forget the Packers for a while.

You are the only one on earth who has can speak that sentence. There is no other diamond back Packer fan out there. Maybe cone fire Joe Berry after the game.

That's from Mike. John says, will Levis a rookie looking like a stud. Can't get that production from, but again, Levis like Levis kind of under threw a ball and Deandre Hopkins caught it. So we don't have Deandre Hopkins.

The closest thing we could have had to Deandre Hopkins or Deandre Hopkins was Devante Adams who Rogers planted in his ear, how fun it is to get traded. Not enough people are talking about that. Ken says a lot of words of which I'm not even comfortable saying some of these. Wow.

This is quite the comment. Please go to the Dan Cheney YouTube to see some of the words that Ken is saying in all caps. Even words that I stay away from.

Incredible. Only a couple that are really bad. I'm not, I mean for radio.

I'm not, I'm not saying that one. Chuck says another good game to take some happy place. Hemp gummies. Absolutely.

Happy place, hemp.com. Scott says skull, but spells it wrong. Lisa says Jordan love isn't bad. He's fucking terrible. Lisa. This is my friend that texts me a few weeks ago that says, I think Jordan love might be fine at best. And now she says, Lisa, uh, Jake is here and Sam from Sussex is in the backseat of a trunk. I think twice if you're being kidnapped, Sam must've been at the game. Jake is doing incline. What's going on here?

All right. You were at a bar and now you're driving home. I'm trying to do some hamstring curls, but it's not working out for me. Professional time out. I'm trying to talk to Sam.

Matt's talking to Jake. Well, look at this. Well, I know because all you guys think that jumping in on like, I don't need, I don't need, this isn't a place to come multitask. Like don't be on a show while you're doing a deadlift.

I was waiting to get off the machine until I got brought on. So you're welcome. Okay.

Well first of all, you get your, you get your fucking squats in. Let me get Sam's point of view as he's in his vehicle. Sam.

I don't know. It was maybe one of the worst games I've ever watched. Uh, Le Fleur, how hot is Le Fleur's seat right now? I mean, I have no faith left in them. It's so uninspiring to watch our play calls. You know, we get a, we get a turnover and we have some momentum. And what do we do? We run AJ Dylan right at the tackles. It's like, how are we supposed to get any excitement going? Could you, could you in the bar here in the fourth quarter when Jonathan Vilma is like, I don't understand why fans are booing. They got three timeouts, but we just, we, if, if, if Jonathan Vilma doesn't understand why fans are booing an AJ Dylan one yard run, then he needs to be more prep work.

And he's called a few of our games already. So you should know, but it was funny because we, we were in a different room. There was two rooms in the bar in the room we were in. The game was on a Roku, so we had like a 15 second delay. So I knew every drop happened before we even got to see the play.

So I was actually able to premiere myself, which was kind of nice, but I just, it sounds terrible. Yeah. How does a bar not have equal TV time?

I don't know. It was a cigar bar. So, but still no seats in that one. I guess that would make sense why they all sat there first.

I'm not a regular there, so I had to learn. Was it nice Ash? No, it was not. Well, premiere cigar in Brookfield? No, Lake Country Cigars in Delafield. Oh, Delafield. Geez. I had to meet my buddy halfway from Madison, so. Oh, okay. All right.

Anything else, Sam? I just, I don't think, it's like Matt said, I don't think love's that bad. We had a lot of balls going in and out of guy's hands and I don't know, just hurts to watch right now.

It's a lot of growing pains that we shouldn't have. There was a pass that he threw to Aaron Jones in the flat that I thought he sailed, but then Jones probably could have caught that one. I still, I don't like when he throws deep because they never seem to be completed, but that's not always his fault.

They're like a hair too long every time, so I don't know. These guys can't fucking catch. Like our receivers cannot catch.

They can't. Musgrave cannot catch. Watson cannot catch. They can't catch.

We all want them to be good and we all like them, but you're trying to mold these guys along together. They can't catch. It's a problem. It's a huge problem. Yeah, no kidding.

Jake's just like every other show and he's like forgetting how to work this. Well, it's just that kind of day. All right, first things first, let's just show this off right there.

That's what it's all about right there. I'll save that for later. Now I want to address Lisa and other fans like Lisa. Okay, so if you can... Be nice. She is one of my oldest friends.

Oh, well that's perfect then. How old is she? Matt, are you single? What? You just asked how old she was? Yeah, because Bart said she's one of my oldest friends, so she could be like 90 years old. Get it?

I caught it. Well, Lisa, you're going to be a proxy for a lot of casual packer fam because that's what you are. If you can watch these games so far and definitively say you think Jordan Love is fucking terrible, you either just have way too many biases, you're an Aaron Rodgers nut hugger, or you're just fucking terrible at watching football and sports.

So if one of those three things... I'm not saying Jordan Love is setting the world on fire. What Jordan Love is doing is he's a first year quarterback who is growing with his team.

Now this is a kid that is fairly being compared to Aaron Rodgers, who by the way won six games in its first year and also inherited in actual NFL offense. Whereas Jordan Love is being forced to grow with all these young guys. And to be honest with you, I like their young receivers. I think they're young, they're raw. It's going to take them a little bit of time. Get the route trees down, learn the speed of the game, but they're growing along with Jordan.

I think they have a great mix of skills with Reed, Watson and Dubs. It's just going to take time. Unfortunately, that's not something that a lot of people have patience in this era. It's like they want it now, now, now. They want Jordan to be Aaron Rodgers. And that's just not going to happen, especially when Jordan Love is carrying around the boat anchor that is Matt LaFleur's pea-sized ring and is like fragile, fragile ego. He's an awful coach. He hires awful coaches. Cenovich, Berry, LaFleur, they all need to be fired into the sun.

Okay. I've been calling for Yox and I'm into play. They get him in the game. They started moving the ball.

He commits one penalty. Boom. He's gone. They put in the walker.

What happens? Another penalty. This, this coaching staff, they are the ones that should be taking the brunt of the failure of this team. Now I got into a big argument with all of my brother-in-laws, um, during the game or just they're losing their minds. And I'm like, guys, this is a Patrick's team. They've been a contender for the better part of 30 years. When you keep kicking the can down the road, because you're going for it every year with your highly paid quarterback and or highest paid quarterback, eventually you have to pay that hole.

You can't keep kicking it. This is what happens. They're going to have a bad year. They might have a mediocre year next year. And then the year after that, they're going to be fucking winning the division again and starting to build towards another championship level contender.

It's what happened happened. They didn't win another Superbowl. They didn't get to another Superbowl with Aaron Rogers. It was never a challenge issue.

They always have the challenge to get there. You look like you look like you're as close to crying as Matt Lafleur is. Comment section's hilarious right now. I'm angry.

Hey, if there's tears coming out, there's tears of rage. And it's mostly for stupid fucking casual Packers fans who are the, some of the worst fans in sports. I'm sorry.

I'm just going to say it. I love the Packers. The fan base can go fuck themselves. Matt much respect you for wearing your Jordan love jersey last week.

I got mine. I'm going to put it back on because I do support the team, man. I'm going to do no matter what the next relevant time for green Bay.

It's going to be in, I don't know if the draft is in April or May. That's what we should be focused on right now, because right now they're a team that needs to take their lumps and they need to fire this fucking coaching staff into the sun. All right, Jake, uh, I'm going to read some more comments here. If you guys don't mind. I'll see you at the game time. I love you. All right.

Yeah. We'll talk after the bucks. Uh, man, the falls is here.

Sam from Sussex is here. Isaiah says, do we have to sit through 10 more games of Jordan love? It's not that bad.

Are you clicking a pen or something? Oh, sorry. That's okay. Um, apparently nobody here remembers Brett Hundley.

That was Sean. Love is noticeably better than Brett Hundley. So come on. Uh, yeah, that I think I'll agree with again.

I'm, I'm, I'm staying on love and I'm judging him after the season, at least the season. And I need better risk. These receivers are, they bet they are bad here. Let me bring in downtown Billy also downtown Billy.

I'll get to you. Let me just read some more comments. Um, it's all bad around love agreed, but he's still missing easy layup throws with no progression. That's worrisome.

That's from, uh, Jake, uh, and nips 20. Yes. The wide receiver play is not good, but love. Isn't the guy. He cannot accurately throw the ball downfield 15 yards.

Jerry says he's one of the most composed first year starters I've ever seen. Hmm. Uh, Laurie says, hi, Bart, Laurie, a big fan of the mornings with Bart era and K one Oh 7.1, which is it a better place since I left it just like W K B T. Apparently God bless you, Laura. We're driven by the search for better, but when it comes to hiring, the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. Don't search match with indeed. Indeed is your matching and hiring platform with over 350 million global monthly visitors, according to indeed data and a matching engine that helps you find quality candidates fast leveraging over 140 million qualifications and preferences every day. Indeed's matching engine is constantly learning from your preferences. Join more than 3.5 million businesses worldwide that use indeed to hire great talent fast and listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit to get your jobs. More visibility at indeed.com slash blue wire.

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See guarantee details at TurboTax.com slash guarantees experts only available with TurboTax live. Packer fan 1993 says keep loving for the season. Bring them back next season and see what he learned.

Although she wrote session instead of season. Zach says tank for Drake. Dan says not love's fault at all.

Lisa responds in fairness to love whom I think is awful. The whole offense is bad. How can people continue talk about how bad the defense is when they are stuck on the field for so long? The defense is bad because Joe Berry's an idiot. The defense should actually be better than this, but Joe Berry sucks.

That being said, they're not why the Packers are losing. What also blows is that the defense is on the field forever. And so we never see our offense. We got a combination of an offense that continues to go three and out. And then a defense that is the worst fourth down defense in the league. And I don't know the stat on this, but their dog shit on third down too. So you have Barry's defense, which is again, they're better with somebody else.

And then the offense never has the ball. And these games are excruciating to watch at this point. I did admit on X today that it is true. I never thought it was true. And I still argue that playoff pain, we know a level of playoff pain that other teams do not know and would not trade for, but we have been spoiled because they suck. Downtown Billy talk to me. I was very much in the party of getting Rogers out of here, bringing in Jordan love.

I was wrong. This roster is hot garbage. I genuinely think if Rogers was the QB that we would all be calling for Joe Berry to be hitting the road because that would be the glaring problem on this team. Really tough to blame the defense when the quarterback, the receiver, the offensive play calling is all the absolute worst in the league.

Frankly. I would like, I would rather have Jordan love than a lot of these other QBs. It's tough to have them develop when he has absolutely no help around him. This receiving core is absolutely awful.

I call on for Matt with Laura's head. I love for him to get fired at the end of the season. That being said, I don't really know what this team looks like for Jordan love without having Matt LaFleur calling the place. That's the only professional football scheme that he knows how quickly he could turn that around.

Who knows? But bottom line is I think it was, it's time to admit that we were wrong in, in calling for Rogers to get out of here. I think, I don't think love was the answer.

Oh, I've been told by blessed union of soap for all those years that love is the answer that love will find a way. But if that's not the case, so I had one buddy text me the Titans one and the giants one. So the Packers currently sit at the number five spot the 2024 NFL draft. When this team gets a top five pick, does anyone feel confident that good is going to get it right?

That's from Dinkman. We could be in a situation. When do we have the draft in 2025? Do we have the draft in 2025? Is it possible that when we have the draft in 2025, we're drafting first? Very possible. I'm going to get, I just don't know how you can trust with that, that top of a pick Marvin Harrison. I don't think that's the obvious answer.

I don't think he would do it. All right. So I got man, the falls here. I got Sam and Sussex. I got downtown Billy. Here's cute video game guys. 69 is this the video game section?

Get these Packer guys out of here. We're going to talk business. Is this your boy? Yeah, man.

Custom made you guys brothers. Am I allowed to swear on here? Matt? Is this your boy?

Maybe we'll see. What's up, man. For the video game section. This is we got serious sports to talk. Well, I just bought Madden. You bought men. That's a video game. That counts.

What do you think of the new Diablo season? I don't even know what that is. We'll talk about in the video game section, talk about your little love and your, you know, Jordan, you know, and then we'll get to the video game section where we're good and ready.

All these other bozos. Don't look at me like I'm crazy. I don't think we're doing video games tonight. Oh, well, well hit me up on the snap when you're ready. Okay. I will. Do you want to stay in case we talk video games or no? Oh yeah. I'll bring it up sporadically. All right.

Cause I'm also going to go six wide. Let's go. We've got boots on the ground at Lambeau field.

Oh Tony. Hey, who's breaking down mock drafts. Who's with me. Let's do it. I think it's time.

It's time. You know, Bart, this reminds me of when the bucks were trying to win under Herb Cole. Scott styles might've been the coach and they just found ways to lose and lose. And they eventually got the number two pick in the draft.

This, this is incredible. What a mess. The fans were asking for Sean Clifford to be the quarterback.

It's getting bad here in Packer land, like in the stadium. People were talking about Sean. Why does anyone want to see, why does anyone with a brain? Why does anyone think Sean Clifford is going to be better than this? Well, there's no, there's no chance, but there's no any kind of history with him. So they're like, well, not for Jordan love.

Let's move on to the next guy, but that's not the problem. I'm just telling you what, what I heard in the stands, Bart, I'm just reporting the news. If you could, if you could replace guys on this team, I'm replacing a lot of other guys before I replaced Jordan love Jair Alexander gone.

Well, yeah, he kind of stinks. Eddie Clark. He got Aaron Jones gone trainable. Let's do it all. Let's do it all over again. Let's get even younger. I know one.

Let's get even younger. And who do you want for your next head coach? Who do you, where do you go? Jim Harbaugh.

I'm on green. We can, if you want to add in video games, he's a great e-sports coach at my alma mater. Ooh. Yeah. Would you play as this is the real question guys. Peace quiet. Would you play as Jordan love in Madden? Well, this is what's great. Let me tell you that I need an answer.

Okay. We got some video games. I would scramble with him a lot.

No, we got some video game content. He's not that fast. First of all, I tried scrambling.

I tried an option. He wasn't that fast. A couple of days ago. I played with the Packers. I like to take a shitty team and finally I can take the Packers cause we're a shitty team, but Jordan loves on the video game. I was throwing, it was, everything was fine. And then there was one play where I had Musgrave over the middle and I threw to him, but the, and I threw to a perfect, I know I did, but the ball like in midair went like the bullet that hit JFK and just fucking big fucking zigged over here. Cause the video game wouldn't let me, Jordan love was playing too good for the video game.

And so he threw an interception. What's your streaming schedule like? I don't pay for online PlayStation.

I don't stream. Oh, we got to change that. Hit me on the Snapchat. We're going to get, are we friends on Snapchat?

We're about to be. Who the fuck uses Snapchat? Everybody. What are you, 14? What are you, 14?

14. They use Insta or whatever it's called. We use Snapchat. Me and you remember old guys like us, old guys like us. No, I'm I use X. Yeah, dude, I've taken some a couple of times, man. It makes you feel good.

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Where's the link? Happy place hemp.com promo code Bart at checkout. Are we going to buy some live? This is a bit chaotic for my liking. Who else would like to speak?

Sam, you got anything else? No, I, we need to get a veteran wide receiver, you know, Julio Jones. You don't need Julio Jones. Just to teach the guys something. We don't need them to be the number one. Just need a guy with experience in there.

Tell them what to do or what to learn. That's why they have a position coach, sir. Antonio Gates available. How's that working? Why don't we get Randall Cobb back? He was a healthy scratch today.

Oh God, that was funny. That's trade. McColl Hardman and then still scratch Randall Cobb. How about that?

That's all I got. Tony, where are you? He's at the game. Yeah, I know I can see Lambo, but like your area, obviously like in some sort of restaurant lounge, like premium spot, a little elevated. What are you doing? What's going on there? We're at the lodge Kohler, Matthew. I've never been there.

I just go to the game, turn around and go home across the street. Lodge Kohler. What are you sipping on? I got a little vodka over here. Hot toddy. Drink a little vodka.

Just relax a little bit. Trying to look at potential draft picks. You know, I watched the badgers yesterday. This has got to be the worst state of Wisconsin sports offensive football since the mid eighties between their offense and this offense.

You got air raid in Madison. You got this bullshit that LaFleur is thrown out here. I just don't know where to start with this LaFleur offense.

They're not disciplined. There's no like you're running plays to, without like a plan. Like the plays are supposed to set up the next play, but we don't set up the next play.

I don't know what, what the mindset is. Like why is A.J. Dylan and A.J. Dylan wasn't that bad, but what, what are we doing with that guy?

I don't understand. Like let's go to, let's go to shotgun on second and one with A.J. Dylan. Third one, A.J. Dylan.

Why, why go to shotgun on second and third and one yard? A.J. Dylan had six carries for 11 yards. Aaron Jones had seven for 29. Your leading rusher today was Jordan Love, four for 34, mainly on the scramble for fourth down in which he, I think he was almost trying to get injured so that he didn't have to. And I don't know the defensive, what is the defensive ranking of the Vikings? Anyone know? Are they considered good?

I don't know. The Vikings, I'll say this and Kirk Cousins is hurt now, so maybe not. I thought the Vikings were going to go to the playoffs. Their schedule is awful. And there's going to be of one of these teams, Green Bay, Chicago, Minnesota, the Rams, the saints, the Buccaneers and the commanders.

One of those teams is making the playoffs. It's not green bag. All right. Sam, I think I'm going to drop your free feet if you don't mind. We'll talk about going guys. Hey, let's talk about the offensive side of this football though. Cause that was Matt and the floor is bread and butter and offensively. Again, they only scored three points in the first half. We've talked about this last week, Bart, that they cannot get off to good starts in the first half. It's a comedy of errors between penalties, poor play calling drop balls, passes that are off, no running game. I don't know where to start in that offense, but it is complete shit. That offense is complete shit. I'm not going to put it all on Jordan love, but Jordan love does not look like a competent top 20 quarterback in this league, but where do you start on the offense? Where do you regroup?

Where do you start? I don't even know. Well, let's go six wide and get some more opinions. I've got Mike G joining the show. Mike G how's it going? And I'm going to bring it.

All right, let's go to Mike G. What are your thoughts? I want to know why we continuously have to throw for it when it's third and 16, we're trying to get all of it. Get half of it. You know, it's a four down territory. You need to get the first down. Okay. And we just chuck it into the end zone and then don't get me started on the left tackle.

I can't, I can't take that anymore. Oh yeah. Walker.

He goes in terrible, comes out for Nyman and then all of a sudden he's back in. Yeah. Malifur talked about that. He said, just felt like we needed a change.

Oh, did he have to go to the tape and look at the tape again? That's what he has to say about everything. Here's some more Matt, LaFleur comments, his opening statement that was obviously tough to watch. Just way too many mistakes, penalties drops, not being able to convert on third down conversely, not being able to get off the grass on third down. If only there was someone in charge of overseeing all of that, they got past the 50 yard line once in the first half.

Yeah. I mean, that's pathetic. This is pathetic offensive football. Matt, LaFleur, you are the offensive guru.

You just, the trickle down effect from, from what we've seen between Sean McVay down to Matt, LaFleur, it's not translating to a successful offensive football. I don't know who said this. It might be a grant, but it's like when you clone to clone, maybe it was you Bart. You clone to clone to clone. It doesn't work. When you keep cloning a clone, it was you.

The last clone is no longer the first clone. Yeah. We've seen that from Shanahan down to LaFleur. It's terrible. It's not working. They obviously need to redo the offensive line.

I think Bakhtiari was a kiss of death when that guy went down. The offensive line has just been in shambles. They can't run the ball. They can't pass the ball. They can't get first downs. They can't even get to the red zone anymore. They can't even get to the red zone. Think about that.

You can't even get to the red zone. Can I have whoever is watching TV mute the TV? Who's watching TV? Mike.

Is that Mike G? Mike G. What are you watching? Are you watching the Niners game or the volleyball game? Niners game. You didn't stay for the women's volleyball on Fox afterwards. Oh man.

Red is the tomato. Matt LaFleur on Jordan loves performance. There are always going to be a couple of plays you want back, but also we got to make some plays for him too. We had like six drops.

That's going to be hard to overcome. Austin, your thoughts. Hey, what's going on guys? Um, what the fuck was going on with the penalties?

We're sitting on, uh, my boy J love right away. Come on. There's a way too much. There is a lot of drops, a lot of penalties.

Well, let's not just go throw this one on love because he's the quarterback. It's a group effort, but he's just said people, people in the stands though are calling for Clifford again. Dumbasses.

Dumbasses. I am reporting what I'm hearing Austin and, and this offense is definitely the number one crux to the team's issues defensively. They're not good. I get it. Everyone wants to fire Joe Berry.

Fine. Fire Joe Berry. But Matt LaFleur is, is the offensive guru. The offense is supposed to be the bread and butter. He brought in his own guy, Jordan love, which we've all talked about.

He was all excited about, but obviously it's not going to work out. And I think the beauty of this draft pick up Jordan love is good. Coos is going to get another chance to draft his franchise quarterback because I think they will try to draft another one next year. Well, he should get his chance to draft another fucking quarterback. This is their bad. They made it.

Now you play with it and you play at the fuck out. If Jordan love doesn't work out, I don't want Gudekins drafting the next guy. Exactly. If Jordan love, if Jordan, if we make a decision on Jordan love at the end of the year, that is not the guy, then you need to move on from Brian Gudekins.

Yup. And he's up to Mark Murphy and Mark Murphy will decide what he wants to do. Cause Gooty and Lafleur, you know, they were all fist pumping during the COVID show. They got, they, they wanted this and they were willing to ride the wave of, you know, Rogers, Lafleur, whatever, uh, Jordan love for this unveiling. And it does suck when it's been like, you know, we've been waiting and waiting to see what it's going to be like. And it does feel like we're still waiting. Matt says, if you can call scoring nine points in the last five first halves of football growing, then that's pathetic. This team hasn't shown any signs of growing. And that's another thing that is the, so things that I will say that I'm concerned about regarding Jordan love is the high point was week one. And I'm watching these other quarterbacks come in and play well. And we're not even like seeing that now will Levis. I got a, I only saw a couple of plays, but he under threw one and Hopkins got it. Bajan, you know, we'll watch him on Sunday night football, but you shouldn't have a D two guy. The same defense that stifled our guy, let a D two guy run all over him.

And it's not like there's that much tape on Jordan love where the Raiders had an execute a great, great plan, but also our skill guys are worse than the fucking bears are. So I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Let's piggyback off what you just said on offense, maybe one pro bowler who that's maybe one pro that's not hurt. Hey Aaron, Aaron, zero.

There's so far from the global. Exactly. There's zero pro bowl players that had offense for all the Jordan love supporters out there. Also, as much as we want more Aaron Jones, it's not like when he's gotten the ball, he's done magical things with it. He's not Marshall folk. It's just that if you're going to give the ball to someone 20 times, give it to Aaron Jones.

More good things will happen. Then if you give the ball to cousins. Yeah. Achilles. What do you got Matt?

Cousin's ACL out for the year. Really? That's a killer. That's a free Weimer in the chat. Oh, wow.

Either way. That's a big blow for them because they have a really crap schedule. Could they trade for a quarterback? Do they trade for a quarterback? Do they trade for Trey lance this week? What do you think of that trade that they, of, uh, they should have done with Christian Watson and Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan Taylor trade. Yeah. You know, he was out for three weeks on hamstring. It's like, well, what, what are you doing?

This is every year you're out of the first few weeks for the last year. He was too, I think, but Oh, I, I kind of think like I'm, I'm still, I'm going to really be hesitant on when I call, uh, Jordan love bad. I'll do it when I'm ready when it, but Christian Watson, I think is, I think he's bad. I think he's bad. I don't think he's good. I think, I don't think any of these receivers are good. I think maybe Reed could be okay, but he, I mean, he must, he must have soft hands. If the guy just rips it out of his hands and none of these guys make catches, like, I don't know, watching Ohio state, watching Marvin Harrison, the, the, the ability to just be able to have the ball in your vicinity and make sure you come down with it. Our guys don't have that. How many balls have gone through like Musgrave's Casper hand? It's like right through them. Yeah, that's, um, yeah, plenty of drops, man. You're a hundred percent right. The receivers are not doing their job and it's making, it's making love look bad.

That's for sure. Hey, it makes me go back to Devante Adams and think, man, that guy was good. How good was Devante? How good was Jordy, Jordy Nelson, these guys, James Jones, Greg Jennings, all these studs that we had throughout the years. And, and, uh, remember when we had the best five wide ever? Yeah.

And, uh, Rottweiler, you got to take, I do. Why don't they take more fucking risks? If you're running the ball, be conservative. Why don't they, they're there.

What are they two and six or two and five? Why don't you take some fucking risks? Play it like the man before thing. This team is not like really, they have nothing to lose. They have nothing to play for fucking risk. Do that game. Do play from the little giants. I swear to God. You know what I mean?

Do stuff in the port Rico, spice it up for the fans. Well, yeah, the first big pun, five first halves in a row of no touchdowns is ridiculous. You are playing conservative. You're playing scared. You're playing to tepid.

You're playing timid, but you are a bad football team. Right? Bless you muted, buddy. Hey, I was very shocked. They actually blocked a field goal.

When did they do that? And then shows O'Connell right. It was like, I want to know what's going on with this black field goal. What the fuck was going on there? No huddle the whole game.

I like that suggestion. Yeah. They, I guess they are taking risks. They're lining up on in pistol on third and one, they're giving the ball to A.J. Dylan in short yardage situations. They are taking risks. They are doing really low percentage shitty plays with high reward.

And none of them are working. Did we all think that A.J. Dylan was going to get the ball three times at the goal line there? Cause I did.

And I knew they were going to stop them every time. Do something else. That was all different. Look at this, look at this idiot in the comments.

He says, how do I get into the live stream? Oh shit. That was Mike G. Just kidding. I said that. I couldn't figure it out.

Did I teach you that in radio school? Well, it's great to have, where are you? Where are you Mike G?

Where are you? I am Franklin. Well, Milwaukee address, but right around there. See, I've got a Shorewood. I'm in Shorewood, but I have a Milwaukee address too. And people don't think I'm a true Milwaukee. I actually thought I saw you one day, but I don't think it was in Milwaukee. Was it in Shorewood or Franklin? Well, I go to school at UWM and I there's a daycare there that I have my son in.

And I thought you were picking up if you were dropping your son off. Oh no, he doesn't go to that one. We looked at that one.

He doesn't go to that one. No, that's just another dumb fuck with a fat belly, balding hair and a red beard. Tim says Gilbert Brown, the grave digger. Oh, that Gilbert Brown said this two years ago on the big unit Bill Michael show that after the Packers loose Rogers, it will be a 30 year drought before another winning organization takes shape. That's too long.

That's a bit extreme. We're not the Houston Texans here. Like it's seven weeks. Let's wait.

Let's, let's a big jump from seven weeks to 30 years. So with this new structure that they're doing, is it Murphy? Who's got a fire?

Leflore and goody or goody fires and floor or, Oh, the jet, the jets one. Yeah. Oh shit. After you said the giants won the game wasn't even over when you said the giants won. I did. They want an overtime. Bart doesn't know the OT rules. I was trick or treating. Hey, and I'm doing this show.

I have not really seen much of the other games. I just, all I know is that I need AJ Brown to have as little fantasy points as possible. Did that happen?

No, that was another setup. Cause I have AJ Brown motherfuckers. Hey, Hey, I have Bijan and he didn't really do much. Jordan love is over from Ryan in the comments. Ken says Mark for coach. Do you think Murphy would do anything? Hey, there were a lot of boo birds.

Whoever asked that. I think if the fans revolt, like we are the fans, we are the people we have to revolt against this bullshit, not make it acceptable. You know, the old Al Davis commitment to excellence. We as fans, as consumers shouldn't go to this bullshit game and watch this nonsense.

The Vikings take the stadium over. It was awful. I, the boo birds are out and they should get booed. I'm not Mr. Boo, the team guy, but what they put out there, that product as entertainment and you guys were talking about, I forgot who said it might've been you, Mike G make the game entertaining.

Yeah. I said that the video game guy fucking entertaining to make the game entertaining and lose. I like for basic people to even watch it consume.

I want to see some cool shit. You're right, Mike. Good football, dude. I don't want to see this pass off handoff can tackle the two feet bullshit. Get your defense up.

Video game guys got a good point here. Um, because the announcers were saying that it was a play where, um, they lined up AJ Dylan, probably, I think it was shotgun and, um, you knew they were just going to run it right up the middle. It was a first in 10 and, um, it was a one yard game and, um, people started booing and I was booing. And then the announcers were like, why are the fans booing? I don't get it. And someone was like, why are you booing?

And I was like, because they're running a fucking, you know exactly what they're going to do. They're going to run AJ Dylan for a fucking AJ Dylan is getting booed from my house that Jesse Winker was getting booed before. I'm originally from green Bay and, and, um, I went to a jets game with a buddy of mine and we were booing because it was Chad. Bennington was just destroying Packers. It was like people forget that halftime or something like that. It was terrible. Wasn't that a year?

We could have got the number one seed. She had Pennington. What was that? Oh, five or something way back.

I was like, no, I was, I was, it had to be oh nine or 10 or something like that. I thought, I thought I got some comments here from Ryan Horvat. He says, bring back Rogers, bring back McCarthy. Hey, bring back Horvat. Get him in here. I'll hop out if Horvat hops in here.

He said he's applying for jobs. He lost a lot of money from his bets. I was going to say, I was going to say some of his bets he made on your show where they were pretty bad. Horvie, not the streak of 2020 this year, buddy. Who's your NFC favorite right now, Bart? I'm watching Niners get tore up again by the Cincinnati bangs. Oh, Heron was our leading receiver. Who's your favorite, Heron? Tony, I think the Eagles.

Yeah, I can't, I can't disagree. The Eagles and the Niners and the Lions will be the one, two, and three seed. I probably, I don't know Niners. They're losing right now you say?

They're on the goal line. Joe Burrow got a TD. All right. Well, whatever.

This airs Monday, so it doesn't matter. Here's one from Shane. Did you guys all just go quiet? You guys were all like talking over each other for minutes at a time and then everyone just went dead quiet.

Okay. I thought, I thought like maybe the signal got shitty again. Shane says Jordan Love is fucking fine. Anyone who thinks differently is not watching. I think it's the coaching. I think he's far from the top of the leaderboard.

Wasn't Tom Clemons like the best QB coach with Farve or Rogers? Uh, yes. And you know, what is he doing? Nothing. Who? He's like 75. Let the man retire or whatever the hell he's doing. Let him be, uh, what else here? Matt? Lafleur is a timid guy that reflects on the whole team. This loser needs to go. Oh, speaking of a timid guy, can I bitch? Yeah.

All right. Jair Alexander. Oh my gosh. His ability to avoid any contact.

It's just incredible. Like um, Nixon's coming in and hitting guys and you see Jair five years back like, oh yeah, I would have got him. And then the exact same scenario, um, when Jair is like second in contact, he grabs the guy, spins around his body. Like he's going to throw him down. Doesn't throw him down at all. It waits for somebody else to come hit him. The guy is absent on the field.

I cannot, I'm, I saw somebody put a pole out there, bigger waste of money. Jair or Bakhtiari, at least Bakhtiari wants to play. Jair, I'm so sick of that guy. I'm done with him. Yeah.

There's, I, there's not a lot of, maybe that's something I'll do this week. Who like, like who's even gonna be on this team next year? I don't know, but you can fucking trade. You can trade, uh, Jair. You can get rid of Campbell if you want.

I don't care. It doesn't matter, but Jair needs to go. The new tackling.

I didn't know it was Jair. It was just driving your shoulder into the guy. Hopefully he goes down.

Cause I don't see anybody tackling. All right, I'm going to play a Carl's place voicemail that I got at halftime. Beautiful.

I'm going to grab a beer. All right. This is from Craig, Carl of ET.com backslash Bart. This is from Craig Thompson. Our guy, Craig. Hey Bart, this is Craig Thompson. Oh man. Just watching this at the time of the Vikings game. I love your stuff that you do with hammock and you guys are wrong the other day. Like it's not, it's not good.

It gives me the good. We need to cut the head of the snake out, go read through the whole system. Murphy needs to go because this is under his law. That's a fucking debacle out there. We need to get, we need to get a president of operations who wants to stash Superbowl, not build fucking Lambeau land. I could care less about where they're going to put the Brett Favre selfie dip, dip booth or the Mark, Mark Shumura fucking water park, a hot tub stand. I'm worried about getting Superbowls. I mean, this is a, this is ridiculous.

I don't understand. So let's cut the head off and start all the way over from the director, from the president of operations all the way down to the fucking training staff. I've never seen a training staff that is horrible as the Packers training staff.

Yeah, they're shitty. That's good stuff from Craig, Carl of ET.com backslash Bart. Um, let's go six wide again. I don't know where Matt went, but here's Tom driving. Hi. Why do you guys, so many of you joined from the car?

It's not safe. Well, I, I have a dash holder. Oh, okay. Were you at the game?

It's not like Tim Shea holding it with him. What's up, Tom? Trying to decide if I should still be patient and following the next season and start getting mad and upset. Um, there's a little delay with you, Tom. So I'm, I'm just going to cut you already. Okay. Yeah, sorry. But I'll answer your question. Okay.

Sorry, Tom. A little delay. Sometimes when you guys go through the phone or the car.

Um, I don't know. I don't know that I've got, did anybody, were you guys mad today or sad or I don't know that I was, I don't know that I was like, there's a difference between being mad that you're not winning games because you're supposed to be good and just like resigned to the fact that you suck now. I was frustrated in the fact that they suck and not seeing progress, especially in the first half.

Um, that that's more so where my, my watching experience came from. I was, I was just frustrated that they're not making changes to do anything in the first half and then they got to be down and then they'll start, um, playing with a little intensity. Yeah.

I'm with you. I was more upset part that Matthew Perry died yesterday than this game. That was brutal. I mean, that was really shocking.

Yeah. That's sad. That's sad.

This is not sad. I was indifferent with this football game. My sister-in-law's over, she's a bears fan and I've said, is this what it's like? She hasn't talked to me since Matt Leflore become predictable in his play calling.

Yeah. Matt Leflore is like Tecmo play video games, video games, video games. He's like Tecmo. There's only eight plays that he runs.

The first play is always that. All you gotta do is press up and be, and you know what he's calling right? Video game guy. Yeah. You're talking to the right guy. Yeah. They got, they got to do something, man. Like it's, it's not fucking hard. Do you suck at something? Change it up.

If it's not working the first 15 matches, you know, you gotta, you gotta pull out the wet Willy and let them have it. Yeah. We'll be talking more video games. Let's start doing shit like that. Let's, let's give, let's give, who do we play next week? The Rams. Let's give Stafford a wet Willy. Let's poke fucking Cooper cup in the eyes.

Do something. Yeah. Hey, I don't want the defense to get off the hook here. We've criticized the offense all day, but they've spent most of their draft capital on, on defensive players in the first round. And I look at the name, I look at the roster and I'm thinking this should be at least a top 10 defense part. And they just suck. Oh yeah.

I think, I think gluten, the floor need to go. Yeah. Tony, wasn't it three to 10 going into half Austin.

Yes. 10 to three. Oh right. I said it backwards three to 10.

I'm talking about our team. I forget that that was a big, a big debate by Chuck back in the day. Yeah. Well Chuck's right.

It's 10 to three. Yeah. Right.

Whatever he gets shit. I mean, okay. So they gave up 24 points. That's what pisses me off the most is they had that turnover in the red zone and still managed to give it back. The point I'm trying to make Austin is when you put all your draft capitals, I get that this should be a dominant defense, not a mediocre world K defense.

I get that a hundred percent. And also they spent a lot of their free agency money on defensive players. Preston Smith, they had a Zadarius before that, uh, Devondre Campbell, Rasool Douglas.

These are guys that they did not spend a lot on. They got him off the practice squad of Arizona. No, they did resign him though. Austin. Oh, okay.

Well, and Devondre, they resigned. Well, I'm going to wrap this up. Cause I want to go talk about the Packers for a while. We're going to do a bucks post game. We are going to do a buck post game. Any minute video on video games I think would be brilliant. What, what video game tag would you like out there? You know, just me and you, we're just going to talk video games 15 minutes. We can talk retro.

We can talk new news. I think, I think, uh, it's the biggest growing sport in the world right now. I think all five of us would agree. So I think getting a little bit of that into the mix will be very bucks gaming season tickets. Do you think? Yeah. Hmm.

I should do that. I'm playing golden eye and super Mario 64 right now. What's your take on that?

Yeah. Music games. How do you guys, the new Mario is fucking fantastic by the way. How was it 30 years since golden eyes come out and we still have not made a better video game.

You can't beat it. That's why fantastic. And still no, still no golden knife.

It's better than gold mine. All right. Well, I think I'm just going to tack the bucks on to this, but on YouTube they'll be separate. All right. All right. My last comment is when the fan base becomes indifferent, we don't care anymore.

You know, you got problems. That's how I am as a packer fan. I'm looking at my drafts. I'm not going to probably watch these games in full. I'm going to follow my fantasy team because it's just not worth my time for three hours to watch terrible football.

It's not even Mr. Video games, right? It's not even entertaining. It is hard to watch.

And that's, that's not good as a fan base. I think Mark Murphy is going to put good goose on. He's going to be on red alert. It's going to be interesting. The rest of this season, if there's empty seats and boo birds, there's going to be a lot of heat on good.

And on Matt, that's what caused Murphy to fire. Absolutely. Absolutely.

That's how the fan base has got to fight back. You cannot accept this mediocrity. All right, folks.

I would agree. Mike, don't be a foreigner. I won't. Don't be a foreigner.

Don't be a four. A what? A foreigner to the show.

First time. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. A foreigner.

You mean like a that's from the band foreigner. Oh God. It doesn't matter. Okay. Holy shit. Mike.

No body was moving. The first time you're like fucking shy, Mike, Mike's dancing. We need more risks. We need more, more good football. We got to do crazier shit.

Not running the ball at stupid times. I'm just, I'm worried about Thanksgiving and how we're going to look on national TV. I'd rather just call it in, mail it in trick or treating day.

I already trick or treated. Yeah. Good for you. All right. Is that a spider Gwen cap or is that a wrestler mask?

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Go spider. Yup. What did your son dress up as today?

Cat boy from PJ mask. All right. I don't know. I don't know much about it either. Okay.

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