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Aren't you just having the TIME OF YOUR LIFE this week with the Brewers in the World Series? Well, here's a nice plate of NFL nonsense for you as the Packers fall 20-17 in Detroit. Bart is big mad. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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It is great to be with you here tonight on Sunday, the 25th of October, just after a Packers loss to the Detroit Lions. The final score in this one, 20 to 17. A lot to talk about in this game. A stupid game. A dumb game.

I think like. There's going to be criticisms of the Packers. There's certainly guys that we need better from. There were more injuries. There were more stupid penalties.

The overall thought for me is the product is awful, and this is not a Packers loss thing because this was the overall thought for me against the Cowboys when the Packers won.

So I'm not one of these Packer fans that we lose, and it's all going to be about the refs. And it's not just about the refs. This I don't I don't know what is happening. Maybe it's just me. I I'm getting enough texts from enough people and talking online and all this stuff that I'm not alone.

Something is tangibly different with this product. I'm watching college football all day Saturday. I love football. And I'm enjoying the product like I always have. I watch the NFL on Sundays, and it's just not hitting.

It's just not hitting. It's not getting me high anymore. I don't know what it is. I think a big part is referees. I do.

I think the games feel longer. I don't know what it is. Like when I watch some of these Monday night and Sunday night games, even I think the game's about to be over. I look at the clock. There's 8:20 left in the third.

I'm not. I'm not understanding what is happening. Um, couple of comments here. I'm used to getting the calls. Us Lions fans have gotten hosed for years by crap calls.

I'm not talking in a vacuum here. There is a weird. There's a weird thing that Packers fans get. That Packers get a lot of calls. That's not true.

It never has been. Maybe it is against the Lions, like anecdotally. But don't Packer fans do not feel like we're getting calls? This is par for the course right now. These late third down penalties, pass interference after a pick, roughing the passer when there was slight contact—that way they would never call.

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The most hilarious part of the game was when Dan Campbell went for it on like his own twenty-yard line. Dan Campbell, I've said this about him for years. He is chasing the twenty twenty-three NFC Championship game. The Lions had a big lead against the Niners, and they blew it. And they kept going for it on fourth downs and chasing points, and it didn't work out.

And if you watch Campbell, and if you watch the Lions, it seems like he is still chasing that. He's still trying to get back to that, and he's still trying to chase all those points from that game.

Now it worked out for him because our kicker sucks. Surprise! The Packers have a terrible kicker, and I am mad at people. I am. I am mad at all of you guys.

There was a preseason post game show we did, where everyone did. No one cared about anything, but you were all premature ejaculating over Trey Smack. We have a kicker. We have a kicker. Yeah, I mean it's easy to kick in August.

How about when the pressure's on against Detroit and the bunnies you're missing? What was it? A 26 yarder he missed.

So rule number one of being a kicker: if your number. Is whatever your number is, you have to be able to make kicks that are lower than that number. Your number twenty eight, you should never miss a twenty eight or lower yard field goal. That's the first rule. Also, he does look like Charlie Barons.

I noticed that on the bench, and it might have been Charlie Barons. I don't know how well Charlie Barons can kick. But if you would have told me, oh, that actually was not Trey Smack; it was Charlie or some other guy, I would have said, of course, it was. That guy sucked.

So he missed that field goal to put them up three late. He had missed another field goal, two gimme's. He made the forty-three yarder. And there's a lot of thought about Matt Lafleur and should we have kicked early? Should we have not have kicked?

Should we have taken the points? I don't think there is a rule. For when you take the points, or when you go for it on fourth down, I I don't I don't think there is one tangible rule that we all need to subscribe to. I think a lot of people will say on the road you take the points, or if it's fourth and whatever you you you kick the football. I don't think there's any of that.

I to me there's not a a finite rule. To me, it's about how is this game going? What is the feel of the game? I really think it's a field call. I really think in the games you realize: do we need three points here?

Should we go for it? And I think at the one that everybody's mad at him for Lafleur, anyway, for for going for it instead of kicking, that I would have kicked. And then there's you know, but it's just I wouldn't have told you before the game if this happens, I would do this. I would have told you in the moment. The gut feeling is, and the way the game is flowing, you should probably kick here now.

To the floor's credit, or if I'm going to sympathize with him for a minute, his kickers are terrible.

Now they're also responsible for bringing these kickers in, and I don't mind drafting a kicker. Not drafting a kicker; those days are over. Because if you need a kicker, you take a kicker. And there's enough like this. All all I've heard about this draft is the fifth round, sixth round, seventh round is junk.

It's it's not NFL caliber talent anymore. With who's coming out, who's staying, so those rounds are basically dart throws. And if you can find someone you're actually going to play, go ahead and do it. I don't mind that they drafted a kicker. I don't mind that they drafted Trey Smack.

However. Looks like he's not good, so they need to move on from him. They need they need to move on from him. He is not good, and so you have to. If you if you are if you're going for it on fourth down, not because you think it's the best play, but because you don't trust your kicker, that's when you get rid of your kicker.

And if we're gonna have to find seven other kickers through the next seven weeks, so be it. Just because you put. Equity into this kicker with a draft pick, whatever, sixth round, seventh round draft picks get traded so inconsequentially. Don't keep this guy just because you drafted him. That would be a massive mistake.

It's clear he's not ready for the moment. Um, if if you really like him specifically, there's just there's there's not don't don't ride it out for him. He find another kicker. Oh, what if he goes somewhere else and does well? Who cares?

He is costing you games now. And then, big picture with the Packers is this was probably a game they were going to find a way to lose, regardless, because nothing about the Packers is different. This is a nine win football team. This is how they play. They're not bad.

They're not good. They're not either. They're right in the middle.

Well, they will win games and they will lose games. But if you look at the games where they've won, the Dallas win looks good. But you always beat Dallas, so something's going on there. The Bears win. You got against Tyson Bagent.

The Buccaneers win. Bucks look good today, but you beat them in the first start of a rookie quarterback. The Jets are awful. They want to fire Aaron Glenn. After another performance there today, and then you almost won this game, which would have been another like asterix because Dan Campbell's so stupid.

So I don't like Matt Lafleur. You guys all know that if you've been with me for eight seconds. I do think I should probably not shit on Lafleur on days where the other coach is even dumber than Lafleur, but I do think that Dan Campbell. His his trajectory of what kind of coach he is changed. I don't think he goes for that fourth down if they win a Super Bowl years ago, but he is still chasing points from all those years ago.

So Packer related, this was a stupid game. You should feel upset about it because they lost a winnable game. That was a very winnable game, very winnable, and we waited, we waited. Months, we still don't know if Josh Jacobs is getting suspended. We don't know what's going on there.

We don't know if we're ever going to see the video. Nobody wants this video to come out. The NFL does, but for some reason, it's under lock and key. But we waited. We're standing by this guy who did something bad, and he said, "Oh, it's four seconds.

It could change your life." Yeah, well, the four seconds you dropped the pass in the end zone changed this game today. We've stood by you. Through questionable times, just so you could come back and drop a game-winning pass in the end zone. Sick. Although he is our best running back by fifty to seventy-five to maybe a hundred times, because none of these other guys can move.

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Terms apply. Cancel anytime. That's a mouthful. The product in and of itself, and I really want to stress, and I don't think I'm going to be able to convince everybody. If you're not a Packer fan, or if you're just, the refereeing is atrocious.

This refereeing is is awful. This refereeing is awful. Here's what I don't understand about the NFL right now. Don't you think if You're running a sport. You want it to be as watchable, enjoyable, as digestible as possible.

It shouldn't put too much burden on you. The product, if your team is losing, that's going to stress you out. But you shouldn't be stressed out by the actual rules and procedures of the game. Yet in the NFL, it certainly seems like there is a desire. To call penalties on every single play, they seem to want to call penalties more than they don't want to call penalties.

I feel like in all sports, if you don't have to call the penalty, don't do it. If it doesn't affect the play, don't call it. We don't want to be bogged down with stoppages and flags.

Something's going on. Are these flags to make the games longer so there's more ad breaks? Maybe. I don't know what it is. That sounds stupid, but there's going to be a reason why all these penalties are getting called, and the reason's going to be stupid.

So if it's not that, it's that the refs have a big ego. If it's not that, it's that somebody's in on the take to extend these games. I don't know what it is, but I don't think it's a coincidence that all of a sudden penalties have gone up by like ten over the last ten years. There are more flags being thrown than ever. And I don't understand why, but the reason, whatever it is, has to be pretty stupid.

Because that's the only way to explain whatever this is. These roughing the penalty passers don't need to be called. Pass interference, if it doesn't affect the play, doesn't need to be called. How many times you see a holding penalty on defense or offense called when it's not involved in the play? Kickoffs are always negated after a long run because there's a block in the back on the other side of the field.

Like, yeah, don't do that. That's against the rule, but it didn't affect the play, so don't call it.

Soccer. If you're offsides, if you're in an offsides position, but you don't affect the goal scoring, like if you're on the, you could be offsides in soccer, and you could be sitting at the corner flag.

Okay, you could be offsides sitting at the corner flag, and then the play is in the middle of the field, and they could call offsides on you because you are offsides, but they don't if you're not in the play. Yet in the NFL, they scan all over the field and they try to call penalties as much as they can. They want to call penalties so bad they can't even wait. This motherfucking ref on his ass throws a flag into the sky. He's so desperate to call a penalty.

Just a horrendous, horrendous experience. Watching these games are not fun. It is a waste of our time, and we're all wasting it together. The NFL has built up a lot of equity over the last hundred years. We love this product.

They have shown that they ask jump, we say how high. You go internationally. You play on Tuesdays. You play in the morning. Whatever NFL, we will follow.

I feel like people are fed up, and we're still going to stick with it. We're still going to stick with it. Still the NFL. We still love it. We're still hoping it gets corrected, but I don't think they've got as much time as they think they might have, because people are going to turn out in mass if this is the kind of shit that keeps happening.

And I am talking specifically right now about the Packers and Lions, but I've also felt this way in every other game I've watched in the twenty twenty six season. This game's going on too long. There's too many penalties. There's too many penalties that don't need to be called and don't make sense. This product is shit.

We all know it. It's shit. I'm not disparaging you for watching. I'm watching. I'm not disparaging you for liking it.

I like it. I don't. I don't. But I probably like it as little as I've ever liked it before in my life because it is not enjoyable. In fact, it is boring.

This sport has gotten boring. I don't understand what is happening because in college, to me, it's not. And the fact that I'm even saying I like college football more than NFL goes against everything I've ever said in my life. But I get into it and I love it. I don't know.

It's just it's just a lot better of a product right now. That even with the double shots of whiskey being poured on every college game day morning, and the shirts being taken off, I just I just don't get it. I don't get it. I'm going to throw out the link. I'll bum through some of these comments here.

Monica says two dollars. Thank you, Monica. Terrible refs, bad kicker, and coaching. That's pretty much a good summation of what is going on. Here, Tom says the problem is the game isn't physical anymore.

The stars are protected. NFL is turning into the NBA, and I don't think it's crazy to think that, like, these are not this is not the best version of the NFL that we could have because I do think there is a lot of kids that would have played in the NFL in the last ten to fifteen years. That didn't because they never played football. Either their parents kept them out, or they went to another sport, or they themselves realized the dangers of brain damage and CTE and some of these other injuries. You know, if I'm watching sports and I see Damar Hamlin almost die, freak accident, sure, but that's going to stick with me.

There was a weekend, a few weekends ago, where two was it collegiate athletes died playing football, and there was more this year. Like I'm not. I'm not playing if that's an option to me, so I don't. I don't know. I do think that we've probably got, we've probably got.

If the NFL would have just avoided CTE and never had to answer for it, the product would be great because our best kids would be playing. They'd also be dead or on a track to dying. When they are getting older, Charles says that last drive by the Packers offense not getting any points from the Lions twenty-two yard line. Why this core will never win a Lombardi, and I don't know what to say about that. That was you.

You stop Dan Campbell. You stop the Lions. You're laughing. It's hilarious. Why did Dan Campbell go for that?

It's so funny. That he went for that because obviously that's going to that decision cost you the game. Enter the Green Bay Packers offense. We ran it to Jacobs, nothing. We tried to get it.

We got it to Jacobs, five yards, and then we go incomplete to Jacobs. That's a play I alluded to earlier, and then we missed the kick. And it was even tipped.

So stupid. And then the Lions marched right down the field, aided by penalties. Yeah, but they were able to score. And we had another penalty. I mean, we extended the game.

We were offsides. I'm not saying that we're not. There's a couple different layers here. One, the Packers are dumb, and they are heavily penalized. They've got second or first most.

Um, like personal foul penalties in the league.

So the Packers themselves are bad at being disciplined.

Okay, and then you also have a referee unit that is calling penalties that don't exist, that shouldn't be penalties, and we're being screwed by those. Both things are happening. I'm not saying. I posted something on Facebook. First comment is, "Oh, Packer fans crying about the refs.

Go figure. Packer fans didn't lose this game because of the refs. They lost it because we're a nine-win team, and we're not going to win twelve games. And games like this, we will lose. That's what's going on here.

But the refereeing was atrocious. Um, it's becoming unwatch of unwatchable." Bud says even the 15-yarder on Detroit was horseshit. ALOL says it's not the NFL anymore; it's the ref show. Steve says I don't trust anything the NFL is in control of. EJ says, "Are we just pro wrestling fanatics at this point?" I'm losing all interest in the NFL.

From Mitch, these refs are going to ruin the game. Ben says, "Refs, cops, whatever, they all have quotas to fill." They went for fourth and one on their own twenty-five with five minutes left. Didn't get it, and it worked. That's that, my friends, is rewarded for bad behavior. We will be live tomorrow night.

Oh, actually, I'm going to be with Carlos tomorrow. During the day, and then live again for Brewers. That'll be brought to you by First and Bull. We'll also be live on Tuesday, and then will I go to Tampa? I don't know.

We'll find out if I'm at Game Five or if there is a Game Five. Downtown Billy is here, repping the ball and glove. What's up, Billy? It's the only only thing I can I can be excited about right now. That game.

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That was a big win on Saturday. Giannis is zero and three. That's sick. Giannis is zero and three. That is a that is positive.

Unfortunately, the Bucks are also zero and three. Oh yeah, they suck too. Yeah. Um. Yikes.

I I think that game. Between the drops, the special teams, and the officiating was one of the one of the worst worst watches I've had this year for the Packers. I would put that. I would say that was worse than Week One against the Minnesota for me.

Well, it was just a stupid game. Yeah, I do think it was one of the dumber games in NFL history. Like if I, my kids, okay, I talk about him too much, but he's on the couch there. And he's he's playing his Nintendo, and normally I'd be like, "Hey, watch this game, buddy." Hey, man, football's the best. I don't know this product.

Like, I I don't. This sucks. The product fucking sucks. Yeah. What what game is your son playing?

I think he was just ripping Mario Kart. Yeah, it's great. That's way better than watching this game. Yeah, way better. What happened to Haversick?

Why did the Why did Green Bay let him go? I thought he has like the record for the longest kick in Packers history.

Well, we drafted a kicker, and we got rid of all of his competition. Yeah, it was probably a poor call. Probably pretty poor call there. Um, I think. Do I have this right?

Is Brandon McManus on the Rams? Yeah, he's on the Rams.

Now he didn't do anything today. He just was five for five after they've been shuttling through kickers. But we got to be able to move on from this guy. If if they truly believe in him, if they truly believe in him, that's one thing. But if if it comes down to it and the decision of, well, we cut him, but we drafted him, then that's just insane incompetence.

How can you believe in a guy that that's missing a kick that's shorter than a? Shorter than an extra point. Shorter than you can't. Shorter than the number he wears. Cohen says, "Hard to put much blame on Lafleur.

Too many drops today. Absolutely.

Well, and he like Lafleur wasn't even the dumbest coach on the field. No.

So I can't. This is not going to be a Lafleur shit fest. Not today. I still hate him, but it's not going to be a Lafleur shit fest. I just the thing about Lafleur is I don't like watching him learn on the job." And that's what I still feel like he's doing.

I still feel like he's learning on the job, especially with going for it or kicking. It's a gut decision. He seems to be like I thought he was out. Dan Campbelling, Dan Campbell, at one point, and then DC comes back here going for it at his own fifteen-yard line like a fucking idiot. I really like the point you made earlier where going for it on fourth down.

Or kicking the field goals, very much a field game and the flow of the game and how it's going. I think that was a really good point, and I think that that was, I think definitely did an effect here in the game today. But yeah, man, the officiating too—they, the refs inserting themselves into the game flow is so disappointing. Like Tom Brady was losing his mind on both sides of the ball. It made it really tough to watch.

I think Tom Brady might be a tough watch. That booth is not good. They don't ever they don't ever react live to plays. They're always like, "Oh, geez, wow," and they don't know what happens. And then they describe to you what happens when we're all watching the replay.

You're supposed to tell me what is going on. I'm not even sure they're watching the game. I think they're up there just looking at their fucking TV monitors. I really liked Greg Olson. I wish Fox would put him back in the in the prime spot.

I don't love that JJ Watt just got gifted a fucking first round buy to the number one Jim Nance booth either. Tom says I'm not a fan of Matt's personality and game management, but what do you want him to do about the offensive line, bad kicker, injuries on D and Parsons? Yeah, yeah. I thought he coached a good game today. I thought he did a good job with with what he had.

He was not the reason they lost. Correct. Um, I, I, I, there's, there's still things in there to criticize Lafleur for. For sure. But why did we lose?

Well, we're on our third center, John Williams. We have a guy named John Williams at center. Never heard of him before. You can't have an average, like normal, like NPC name and be good. John Williams, John Williams, with all due respect, one of the greatest composers of our time.

Yeah, I thought he had a good game for for going in, playing out of position. He he had a he had a good showing today. Big Bubs, Guti, all caps. Guti cut the other kicker and Cam, so Smack didn't have the competition. Yeah, that's a mistake.

Yeah. Tom says Pat Murphy would have pulled smack after the second quarter. Yeah, he would have made an example. Adam says this is a very Mike Sherman team. It's before my time.

I can't speak to that. Ben L, we're back to Ben L. We are riding fine on Ben W's. We're back. Yeah, I was going to put Ben is back, but it speaks for itself, right?

Football is. I have not been this upset about a regular season football game in a while. What are you upset the most about? Getting the ball back on fourth and one on your own twenty-five, and getting zero points, no clock management. I I don't even know how you can make it any worse than what the outcome was.

It yes reward. Behavior completely, and you posted, you tweeted out Dan Campbelling, Dan Campbell, and Dan Campbell said, "Hold my fucking beer, watch this," and he still won though. He got away with it. Why wouldn't you go? Why wouldn't you go for it against the Packers?

Yeah, what are they going to do? They're going to get a penalty that doesn't work. They have no. The Packers don't have an offense. We do not have.

We don't run an offense. We try. We try to run. We can't. Yeah.

What were the rushing stats today? Jacobs had one or two that were maybe fine.

Well, he was eleven for thirty-six. As long as ten. Yeah, there's no way he had more than a fifteen-yard rush. We ran for sixty yards, three yards to carry. We don't have, so we can't do anything at the line of scrimmage.

All of our screens get blown up, or they call roughing or intentional grounding when it shouldn't have been. We do nothing in between zero and twenty. Jordan Love just chucks prayer balls all day. That pass to save you.

Well, that's our offense.

Now, the one he threw a pick on that was a punt. Yes, fine. I'm not upset about that. I don't think anyone should be. No, but this is what he's going to do.

Jordan Love is going to have 27 for 45, 274 yards, two touchdowns, an interception, a rating from 85 to 95, and we're going to lose. It's not like. The team is such dog shit. All right, we'll see. I'm getting.

I'm gonna take off, Bart. Hi, Billy. All right, see you guys. Hi, Billy. It's a Carl's Place voicemail.

Carl's Place giving you a call. Yeah. What else? The the pass to Savion Williams. It was second and fourteen behind the line of scrimmage again.

At that point, I was like, "Okay, we're going for it on fourth down." Then, and then we didn't go for it on fourth down. I'm like, "Why? Why are we running negative pass plays on second and fourteen?" I guess yes, our run game is terrible, but push the ball down the field, middle of the field, slant, something. I don't even know the last time I saw a check at the line to a quick slant or anything like that. I don't either.

We we can't do it. We don't do it. We were bitching about that the other night. Yeah, Matt says the Packers are just not a good team. Most undisciplined, penalized team in the league.

Worst offensive line and running game in the league. Coupled with the worst kicker in the league, makes them unwatchable.

So let me let me think about this from this perspective. Let's say I am Matt Lafleur. I'm Matt Lafleur. Um. I do my question and answers.

I get on the plane. I get on the bus. I go back home. I think about this game tonight. I'm pissed off if I'm Matt Lefleur.

I'm like, what is this team that I've been given? Why? Why are we so broken on offensive line that our strategy this year was hiring three warm bodies off the scrap heap? After we realize our offensive line sucks, you had me up there saying nice things about Josh Jacobs because our running back room is so terrible. We love Golden and Watson, but all we can do is throw to them.

Tucker Craft, after his extension, has been a big disappointment. The defense we cannot keep saying every week. Once we get Parsons back, we can't keep saying that because he's coming back now a lot later than we thought he would. And as we wait for him to come back, more guys are getting hurt. You got a kicker you can't even go to because he can't make gimmies.

So, yeah, Lafleur, like, I would like to know because Goody Goody gives him a roster, and then Matt Lafleur fucks it up. And then Lafleur is like, "All right, fine, I'll coach the roster I have." And then it like progressively gets worse. These guys can't be, and then policy don't give a shit. He's just up there fucking counting money. That's what you know.

What you know? What I've been talking a lot for weeks that I love the Packers so much, but I love when they get knocked down a peg, and I love when it's the Brewers that do it. And here we are on this incredible, like we in Wisconsin have not felt this good in a long time, and we're even finding other things to be happy about, like Badgers volleyball, Badgers football. You know the Bucks stink, but they're trying hard, and you know whatever we know, Giannis is losing. There's so there's so much that like is going to put a smile on your face if you're a Wisconsin sports fan, and yet the Packers.

Are not one of those things, and they are taking advantage of you, and the league is taking advantage of you, and that's my complaint. I thought the defense played well, all things considered. Twenty points is impressive, multiple takeaways, and they were fighting against roughing the passer calls, and that call on Cise with the push off was egregious. I mean, that's a good play by. A young defensive back, I was impressed, and even with even with that roughing the passer call and the non int call, we still stopped them when they were going for it on fourth down for a touchdown, right?

And we pushed them out of the Williams out of the back of the end zone. I mean, the defense did not give up today. With how bad the refs were and everything, I was impressed. No Isaiah Franklin, no Cooper going against Gibbs. They kept him as in check as he could be.

It wasn't a Bijan game. I mean, I see serious improvement from the defense. That's the bright side. I think my phone's gonna probably die. I'll I'll stick around for another minute or two, bud.

Alex says, "My blood would be just as boiling if we had won." Well, that and and because there's there are some I'm I'm seeing you I'm seeing some Lions fans creep in here. Tell me, hold that L, hold that L.

Okay, we hold that W, hold that stupid W. Whatever you you want that, have it. Like at this point, I'm sorry, I'm just. It's good. It's good, man.

It's good. But we we talked about the cow. We beat the Cowboys, and I was like, "Fuck, am I? Should I celebrate this win more? Because all I do is bitch about the refs in a win.

So obviously, we're gonna do it after a loss. I'm gonna bring Jake into the proceedings. Hot take, Jake in his car. Looks like. Hey, hey, what's up, man?

How are you? Hi, Jake. Good to see you. Good, thank you. It's been a minute.

It's been a minute, huh? Ben, a minute.

Sorry. Can you guys do your own show somewhere else if this is going to be? Oh yeah, Bart's here. What's up, Bart? Hey, Jake.

What are you thinking? Why you got your lights on, Bart? Come on. Hmm. Why you got the lights on?

Okay. We're all gonna. Yeah. Make. Come on.

Get into the aesthetic here, Bart. We're in the Winklerverse right now. We're we're in outer outer Winklerverse. Ah. What do you want, Jake?

You've had stolen lives. Yeah, I was just gonna say, do a really shitty accent. The the the you've all have stolen lives.

So Bart, Captain America, that's Loki, right? Ah, that's what the theory is. It. Would be it makes sense if it was, but I don't think it is. I think it totally is.

Like as soon as you see his stupid hair, you are like, what? Yeah, that's. Yeah, I don't know what's up with Chris Evans's nose, also. And he looks like super thin. Like he looks like we've got Captain Ozempic.

Captain GLP one. Yeah. Anyway, all right. What about the game? Um.

Well, it's interesting because. The for me as a Packers fan, my vested interest in the team, like where I'm emotional about it, it went away when Lafleur was extended, because it just tells me this team doesn't care. There, so why should I?

So I still watch the games. I'm still a fan. Like, but it's interesting watching it without emotion, because the only time I'll get emotionally invested in this team again is when he's gone. The game itself. Bart, you're letting him off the hook here.

I know there was so much to talk about and to unpack about horrific refereeing, and the product is awful. And you know, it's just it's so different than what we're used to. But Lafleur's also sabotaged the entire first half with his decisions. Like I don't understand. You always defer, and he received.

They never do that. I thought that was a weird one. Then it's not just the idea of we're not going to take the points, but the play that he drew up to get golden the ball two yards behind the line of scrimmage. No one's talking about how horrific of a play design that was. Yeah, that's the Lafleur special.

And then furthermore, I'm going to go into not taking the points there. I really think Lafleur thought he was doing a big brain decision by not kicking there. Like, if a player fumbles, you know how you sit him and you're like, you're not getting any more carries. And it's like, I think he thinks you can do that with a kicker. When it's the complete opposite, you need to go up to him and say, Hey, you're our guy.

This comes up again, we're going right back to you. Be ready. That's the kind of leadership you need, but I really think this like obsession that he has with trying to be a hard ass—he's just too fucking stupid and too fucking uh. Like you're not buying him as a hard ass. Look at the fucking guy.

So yeah, way too much. Like no, he wasn't the number one reason they lost, but he also was a huge, huge, huge reason that they lost. As soon as um the the fourth and one from inside the twenty or whatever it was happened. And the first play that they called was the little Jacobs, I think, zone read up the middle for nothing. I said in my friend's group chat, "Yeah, Detroit's winning this game with zeros on the clock.

It was inevitable that Dan Campbell he tried everything he could. Any other coach, team in the league gets that done.

Furthermore." Has there ever been a time in our lifetimes where Green Bay didn't lead the NFL and dropped passes? It's it's almost comedy at this point. It's really bad, but but that's all we're doing. See, I don't. That's all we're doing is chucking the ball downfield, and these guys are double covered a lot.

Well, Jordan, you're going to drop more passes than you're going to catch with the strategy of this offense. Jordan Love has given up, and uh, my cousin was in my group chat. He made a great point today, where like I thought the defense played well. Gannon did a great job of scheming up to the talent that he has, and Lafleur. The point he made was Lafleur thinks scheme wins, not players.

Players don't win; scheme wins.

So he's going to scheme what he thinks is the W, and then expects his players to do that. He's not going to put these guys in position to best take care or to best utilize their abilities. I mean, it's just one of the laundry list of reasons why he'll never do shit as an NFL head coach. He's eight years into the league. You cannot be learning on the job anymore.

It can't be allowed. But. In Green Bay, this is what we accept. This is mediocrity. We're getting at least two more seasons of this.

So until do you think I? I think there's sometimes Jake. When I did interviews, when I do interviews with people, I don't ask questions to serve the audience or the listener. I ask questions to try to impress the person I'm asking the questions to with my knowledge. I feel like Lafleur went for it on that one fourth down to impress Dan Campbell.

I'm not kidding. Oh yeah, like he's a Campbell envy. Like, I'm not kidding. I feel like I feel like Lafleur wants the approval from other coaches. Yeah, did I do good?

You would have done that, right? Right? He might be like me. I crave respect from the people that I don't respect. I want them to respect me, but I I don't respect them, but I crave it.

I think that's part of the human experience. Like, you know, I have a friend that. He lives on Instagram and Facebook, and he is obsessed with his haters, right? And everything he posts is about like making the haters mad and everything. And it's like, do you not understand?

No one gives a fuck about you because no one gives a fuck about anybody but themselves. That's that's the world we live in. That's an aside. As far as the product, I mean, I've I I think we've chatted about it, Bart. the The number one thing I think is the talent is not as good as it has been, and it's gonna get worse.

I think college. We're already we've seen it a lot more than the NFL. I haven't watched college in two years, with all the the rule changes and the the talent's just not there.

So that leads to it. But also, when you talk about what is it? What is that thing? What's the magic thing of why this is getting bad with the officiating? Look at what the NFL has embraced.

What sports have embraced in maybe the last ten years or so? I think it's a sickness. The gambling stuff. Just in these cases, follow the money. Where you know who's going to benefit from this?

I mean, the Winkler. But it's going to be so obvious. It's right in front of our face. We it can't be that obvious. They're not going to all go in to get all this money from gambling companies and then just obviously rig games in front of us.

Are they? I think. But honestly, and this is—if you look at the way the world is right now, Bart—if you look ten years ago, there's things that we said, well, that could never happen. They would never be that blatant and stupid about it. And it's just like, huh?

Oh, well, yeah. I—I guess Nicki Minaj is going to be the new press secretary, possibly.

So that's what I read. I—I say, bring it on. Let's let's get fucking crazy. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts.

Jake, I'm going to say adieu. Good to see you as always. Swoop. I take Jake joining us here on the stream. Remember, Happy Place Hemp is going to be my dessert of choice tonight.

Promo code Bart, twenty five percent off each and every order. We're talking gummies and seltzers, and I will be ingesting. Let's just say a couple of seltzers. Tim Shea is joining us with a new T shirt. World Series.

What's up, Shay? Looking good. Looking swell. Hey, Bart. How you doing?

Where are you? At a bar in West Dallas. I got a nice flight to catch out to Tampa tomorrow, so we gotta get this out quick here. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I'll be at Miller Park tomorrow. I will too. Are you?

Okay. We'll meet up. I don't know how I'm gonna do my show. My phone's at one percent, so this could last literally like five seconds. Hey, so I shit on Jeff Passan, and everyone's like defending him.

What's that about?

Well, because I think he was kind of defending the Brewers a little bit. No, it was that kid that took a picture of him and called him short stack as he was ordering tacos. Yeah, and then Jeff Passan had a real dick answer, and I'm like, Ah, do you need to be a dick here? And everyone's like, Oh, fuck, we don't like Jeff Passan. Let's knock it off.

Yeah, you got thoughts on the Packers? Just on a week I'm not supposed to be mad. This team really got me mad, but I don't know if it's the team or the refs that got me more pissed off today, but. Whatever, this Trace Mac. I'm I'm I'm done thinking about them.

I'm just full. I am on full on Brewers. I didn't even. I know a lot of people are. A lot of people are like, fine, the Brewers, but we're gonna get back into the Packers, like we always do.

Yeah, next week.

Next week. Unfortunately, yeah. And they're losing games. Jake. Jake.

He says he's not emotionally connected to this team because he thinks that Lafleur got the extension. He just he he doesn't want to care. I'm not emotionally connected to this team because I know the product will give us a nine and eight team. I know the outcome. We're a nine win team.

There's nothing that they've done. Yeah, they'll win some games. They're also going to lose games like this. This is what Packer football is under the floor. We've been watching it the last five seasons.

Freaking frustrating.

So whatever. I'm. I'll get into the Packers when it's fully time to get into the Packers.

So. I just can't right now. I'm too pumped for this week because this could be this could be the best week ever. In Wisconsin's sports history, so could also be the worst. Could also be the worst.

Very well, could. You are correct. Could be the worst. It's it's it's one game at a time. Sadly, though, no matter what happens in this World Series, we are already we're having a parade if they lose.

Yeah, that's pretty. Why are we gonna? Are we gonna be the second team to have a parade? We're doing it again. We you know we're doing it again.

Cause what they're gonna say is they're gonna say we're not having a parade. We're gonna have a rally just to say thanks, and then a lot of people aren't gonna be able to go. And then they're gonna be like, "All right, we can fucking kind of have a parade," and then we're gonna have a fucking parade. Just win tomorrow, and we'll see what happens.

So, I'll see you tomorrow at the park. Where you sitting? What's first level or second level or third or fourth? All right, all right, well, two, yeah. Two, I don't know.

Two, two. Are you?

I have it right here. If you have ten seconds, are you near two twenty four? Yeah, I think you already. Yeah, we'll talk. Are you in two twenty four?

I might be. Come find me tomorrow. Anyone that finds me tomorrow, I'll buy you a shot at. Is that next to two twenty three? It might be.

Well, that's where I am. We'll talk. All right. All right, love you, Bart. Go Bruins, muffin.

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Cancel anytime. That's a mouthful. John, who's a Bears fan, says, "Sure, blame the refs." I understand one thing that I've noticed in my let's call it a career is some of you people just don't fucking understand language, and you're too dense.

Some of you people, everything's black and white, everything's binary.

Some of you people can't fucking see the forest from the trees.

Some of you people are flat out stupid. You can shit on the officiating in a win or a loss. I'm not blaming the refs for this game. But the Packers were affected by calls that were bullshit. Can you not say that?

Can you can you not say that? You so when are you supposed to blame the refs? After a win, we did that last week. After a loss, we're doing it now. Don't be a bitch because the Packers lost, and you're a Bears fan or a Lions fan.

And say, "Oh, Packers fans are mad about the refs. You should be mad about the refs. This product is dog shit because of the refs. There are three times as many calls being made in these games than necessary. They are calling things that are not involved in the play at all, and even if they are, are borderline fouls to begin with." The league is being watered down by the referees' desire to constantly be in the action, and you're still so tribalistic.

Get over the Bears thing. Get over the Lions or Packers thing. We need to be united as NFL fans that we won't stand for this shit anymore. But you won't do it. Packers lost.

Yeah, well, you're gonna get fucked by a ref too.

So it's so stupid, God! It's so stupid. It's as stupid as politics. I'm on this team. You're on this team.

Well, now there's 32 teams, and we're all fighting against each other. Nothing's ever going to fucking get done. Monica, oh Monica, five dollars, thank you. We're above mediocre with Matt Lafleur. He can't coach a wet dream.

Why is it so hard to find a damn kicker? We'll be lucky to have nine wins, FML. We will be lucky to have nine wins, but we will get nine wins. It doesn't matter. Are we a seven-win team?

Is that what we are? Like you know those stats that say this is what you should have been. We're going to win nine games. Should we be an eleven-win team? We're going to win nine games.

We're a nine-win team under Matt Lafleur. We're a seven-seed nine-win team. And yes, I will hyphen it to say Lafleur Gudikins because this is the team that he built. This is the team that he built. I think too many people.

If I bitch about Lafleur, they're also like, "Oh, you got to bitch about Gudi too." Okay, fine. Sure. That that's who we put on the field. This is the team they want, though, guys. This is the team that Ed Policy is okay with.

They're okay with this. Why? Because we're engaged, and we're gonna get frustrated, and then we're gonna win, and then we're gonna lose, and they're gonna do just enough. Man, they got us so bad. They, they.

This is a friend zone team if I've ever seen one. Oh, we're never gonna win a Super Bowl, but we'll give you the allure. We might kiss you once drunk at a party. And leave you contemplating everything. And in the next day, I want to talk to you about our kiss because I think it's finally happening.

My best friend's in love with me, like I'm in love with her, and she's going to claim she doesn't remember it. Yes, that happened, and I'm still pissed about it. It all worked out, but that was a bullshit move. She knows it too. The Winkler verse keeps me sane.

Love our people. We can bitch together. That's why it's needed. That's why it's needed. I tell everybody I talk to, yeah, it's Winkler verse, but it's not about Winkler because, first of all, when I do interviews, no one gets my show name right.

Joining us from Into the Winkle verse, does this R need to be bigger? It's Winkler. Hard R. Winkler verse, but the verse is more important. That's always been the case.

David says Matt needs to go after this year. Play calling sucks. Justin says Matt Lafleur needs to rip the refs a new asshole, take the money from his eyebrow waxing account, and pay the fine. Maybe then the NFL will fix this shit. I did coincidentally during one of the commercials flip over to Red Zone, and Mike LeFleur with the Cardinals was pissed about a pass interference call, and he was going up and down the sidelines screaming, like I've never seen his brother do.

Mike LeFleur was bitching like, "Come on, what the shit, you mother!" He was mad. Mike LeFleur bitches like. Geez, we have to do this again. I just we had a penalty last week, and now you gotta call it out. I was like, "Can please?" No, I don't think it will do anything, but I would like to see it.

Yeah, I would like to see it too. I don't think it will have a tangible difference on how the Packers are called. Jerry says, "Surprise, the D held up as long as they did." That's what my wife says. Too easy, but sometimes you gotta hit the. You got to hit the ones you know right down the middle.

Let let me give you some stats because this was actually okay. Jared Goff threw for three hundred three yards and two touchdowns. Jameer Gibbs ran for twenty nine carries, hundred sixteen yards, and Ammon Ross St. Brown had nine catches for a buck fifty three. Jamison Williams also added five for ninety one and two scores.

And yet, the Lions scored 20 points on those stats. Gibbs was over 100. Amonroh was over a buck 50. I watch football as you all do, and we see Amonroh Saint Brown. He's a PPR machine.

He goes in the first round of drafts all the time, and he does have the ability to just like. Be wide open. How many times have you watched Amendro St. Brown catch a ball and there's no one around him within ten yards of any direction? It's always right in the middle of the zone, or he beats a guy.

He's always right. There's always a pocket. There's like a bubble around him, a field where you can't cross. It's like ten yard circle. But with the Packers, it's like a twenty yard radius.

Have we ever had a good game against this guy? He's always cutting us up. But they they managed it. They managed it. The defense was not the issue today.

You tell anyone before the game, Detroit scoring twenty points. You're saying, "Well, shit." So we're gonna win twenty four twenty. We're gonna win twenty seven twenty. Good, good. All right, good for us.

That didn't happen. We scored seventeen points. Make a couple of field goals. It's 23.

Now they would have played it out different. Gibbs wouldn't have gone down and kicked like an eight-yard field goal to win the game. But still, you did what you needed to do against Detroit's offense. You kept them out of the end zone. They scored twice.

That was it. Cisse had a great play, pushing then Williams out for a third touchdown. The defense stepped up. Even Nixon played good. They got in the backfield a lot.

They pushed them back a lot. They got one sack, Campbell had a sack. They're not the they're not the problem here. Goody sucks. That's from Big Bubs.

Bobby says Lafleur gets mad at the refs, but he's such an intimidating pussy that they disregard him. Yeah, they do.

Sometimes it's tone, sometimes it's demeanor. I feel. Fear, my tongue blue. I fear like I fall into that trap too.

Sometimes I'll say the message, but the way I say it, I lost a lot of arguments with Chuck on the air where I was right, but I'm the one that lost my temper. I'm the one that was whiny. That the audience always sided with Chuck.

Now I love Chuck, and I told Freeman last night I love that you keep finding your way. Whenever there's a brewer being interviewed in the locker room, all of a sudden, Freem's head pops in there, and he's like, "I'm not doing it on purpose." I'm like, "Okay, well, it's happening." They are an average team at best. Yeah, nine wins. This is a very Lindy Infante team. Would I rather listen to Joe Tessitore or Spiro Didis?

Well, I like Tessa Tor on Raw. I like Tessa Tor on Raw, so I'm fine with that. Spiro, I do not like Spiro. I'm not into Yanni said that the campo, but I've come around on Tess and I've come around on Sean McDonough. It's just very easy to do their voices.

Clemson from their own fifteen—that's more McDonough. I think I've lost Tessor over the years. Tessor is like—I don't have Tessor. I have McDonough. McDonough, I have.

And South Carolina is coming out here tonight at their own forty-five. Financially lucky says, "What a fuckery." John, you got to shut the fuck up. Watch the the stop coming here. You're annoying me. You don't like any of the teams we like.

I should be nicer. I don't know what his situation is. Ah, Keegan says the intentional grounding was crazy. He also says, "I'm not a Lafleur guy, but it's better than Lindy and Fonte, Ray Rhodes, and Mike the Pair Sherman." Let's not get crazy, Mike Schmidt. This is a Matt Lafleur special.

Find all the ways to blow it. Wash, rinse, repeat. Sparky says, "Green Bay sucks?" Question mark? Chant away, chant away. Let's go to the voicemail.

This was sent. I should have just picked it up. It was, it was delivered as I was doing the show. You remember the noise? Here's the voicemail: four hundred two nine one five B A R T.

Four hundred two nine one five Bart. Thanks to our friends at Carl's Place. Sale coming up. We'll have details. In the meantime, link below in the YouTube.

Browse golf simulators. I can put one right over there in the basement. Even if you have, even if you, even if you think your space is borderline for a golf simulator, they can customize it with you and make it happen. Here's the voicemail. Bart, it's Ben, and he was not named.

Anyways, Bart, that was a disgusting. Absolutely disgusting all around. Like we have a good team, man. Like we have some really good players. Like D.D.

Ass is a dog. I think C.C. is a dog. Like we have a good team, and Jordan Love. Jordan Love is amazing.

He's one of the top quarterbacks in football. I don't care what anybody says. Fight me on it. Fight me. Argue with a wall.

So what that man is doing this year with that offensive line, but it was just—it's the classic Matt Lafleur team game. Lose because of the stupidest shit drops, missed field goals, things that just should not happen.

So, that's it for me. Check me out on at hey it's Ben IRL or sorry at hey it's Ben one three seven.

So I will talk to you guys later. Go Packers! This sucks. Fire Matt Lafleur. I'm gonna have it at the end there, George.

The answer is no. That no, God no, fuck no, hell no. Gannon seems like a weirdo, but he gets the guys to play for him. That's from Tom.

Well, it might be your next head coach. Eventually, I want my coaches to have a short fuse for this bullshit. I didn't see what he said. I I I never see the post game. I always see it later.

I talk about the next day. I'll try to find to see what he said. But I I'm tired of the whole like. I'm tired of the whole um.

Well, you know when they say I don't. I want to be careful with what I say. I don't want to get fined. They're gonna find you anyway. Just say it.

Say it. All right. Here's Lafleur. I I'll just play the audio. I don't even want to comment on any of the penalties.

So I just—it is what it is. You got to play above it, and I thought there were there were some tough calls, but it is what it is.

Okay, I you—I don't hate that as much as you would think. I don't. I've said forever, and I'm not going to hypocrite myself. I've said forever. You, if you're going to win, you have to be good enough to overcome.

All the bullshit. You have to be good enough to overcome a baseball hitting a roof and falling in Jackson Churio's mitt. You have to be good enough to overcome a Brandon Bostic onside kick. It should have never have gotten to that point. You have to be.

You have to be good enough to avoid. You know the refs are going to get in there and fuck things up.

So you always have to be like one score better than you think. You have to be better than that. Where I would. Prodded Lafleur a little bit is, but okay.

Now this has been happening so much that if there's anything you can do about it, you have to try. You have to try. At least try. If you don't like how the refs are, if you don't want to comment about the refs, you at least have to try. I don't think he's done that enough.

Tony from Texas. Hey, my man. But what? What a joke of a league! What a dumb team!

I don't know where to begin. You're on a roll. You're hitting all the right buttons. When are people going to realize that this product that we're watching is just the biggest? It's gone downhill so badly, and I'm not just saying it as a Packer fan.

This is a national thing. Everyone is saying this nationally. That watched this game or has been watching games all year, and it goes. Tony, I'm losing you, T-Bone. It's the owners.

These owners had put these these rules into play so that they they don't have all these quote unquote like head injuries. And what's happened now? It's almost like having these bathrooms to have men and women in it.

Now, now we're gonna have bathrooms with men and women in it. We're just gonna have that now. Because someone's offended because they feel like a female. This is what it's become. The lawyers got involved.

Is it Cadella a lawyer too? I don't know. But it's it's watered down to my product. I don't trust Ed Policy. I'm just sick of it all, Bart.

And I love my Brewers. We love our Brewers.

So I don't want it to ruin my weekend. But I'm I'm kind of pissed.

So if a woman's on a plane and she uses the bathroom, do you not go into that bathroom? Is that the deal? Bart, I will go in at the same time. She's good looking, and I won't get in trouble if it's private. But of course not.

Come on, you know I will. That's a silly question. How you been, Tony? We've talked a little like on this, but how you been? I'm good, Bart.

You know, I I'm I'm all excited about the Brewers. I got Game Six tickets. I hope it doesn't get that far. I think they're going to wrap it up in five. I think you're going to Game Five.

But you know, first things first, we got to take care of business tomorrow. I'm doing great. I love I love our Brewers, though, man. It's it's it's probably one of the best runs I've ever seen by any more any Wisconsin sports team. This is like literally the best run I've seen the last two years of one of our franchises, up there with the Packers in '96 and '97.

I love that the Brewers they give us a little off day, and it's it's for this. I we gotta we couldn't have just had a day off. Off we had to watch this shit. And you're right, Bart. And we we we work well.

I mean, some of us work. I know you're working, Bart. But we work our asses off all week, and we want to just relax on a Sunday and watch some fucking good football and be entertained. We understand these guys are gladiators. They're out there warriors.

I cannot dispute the effort and energy displayed by both teams, by the Lions and the Packers. And I'm I'm glad they hate each other. That's what I want. I want my teams in my division to hate each other, and I truly think that there's a lot of hatred in our division. That's awesome.

Now let them play fucking ball, man. I don't get it. I don't. They want their. They want flag football.

They want flag football. They can't just do flag football, so they're gonna slow drip us for the next fifteen years. They're gonna first do it to quarterbacks where you can't knock them down. Then they're gonna put flags on the quarterbacks only. Then they're not gonna.

Then they're gonna get get rid of the linemen. Then we're gonna be playing seven on seven at Lambeau Field. It's gonna be dog shit. This product is dying, and we're all going down with it. Right, it'll be a dome.

It'll be a dome eventually. We're all going to these generic stadiums in a dome. Flag football. It's already started with the kickoff rules, right?

So we're headed down that way. This is the society. I feel sad for your your child's got to grow up with that, Bart. This is just it's just sad the way the NFL is turning. And unless we fight back, and I tweeted that, I heard you mention your own comment, and it sparked.

I this isn't about the Packers and the Bears. I'm a 50 year old man. I don't care. I just see it as it is. We have got to unite as just people that love this product of what it was in the 80s and 90s and before that, when our grandfathers watched it.

We got to take this product back. This is horrible, and unless we hit them in the pocketbook, it will never change. It will never change. Tony, good to see ya. I'll be wrapping up, but I love you, and I'm glad I got to see you again.

All right, buddy. Hey, go go get a win down there in Tampa. Love you too, bud. See you later. Say hi to your dad too.

Thanks. I will if I go to Tampa. Game five, asterisks if necessary. Mdk says flag football is such a hard watch. I hate flag football with a burning passion.

Now, a lot of it is because. When I played flag football in sixth grade, it was the only time I scored a touchdown, and I actually didn't get credit for the touchdown because some fat ass took my flag off at the line of scrimmage as a joke. That's how I got wide open, scored a touchdown. I remember I could go, I could show you the exact grass blade of the field at McKinley Park it was on, and Fondulac.

So I never scored a touchdown. Bullshit. But then the NFL is getting involved, and people are like, "Oh, Pro Bowl, flag football. Oh, USA flag football. Oh, which, which, who?

Mahomes should play flag football. Which of our athletes to play flag football? First of all, there's already a fucking national team. They should be the ones. You can't just let these guys drop in and play flag football.

It's terrible. It's boring. It's stupid." Flag football. Flag football fucking sucks. God, all right.

I'm having some seltzers. Promo code Bart twenty five percent off happyplacehemp dot com. And I'm watching more shitty football tonight with the Chiefs and the Seahawks tomorrow around nooner. I'll be on with Carlos. We'll talk about the NFL Giants' big OT win.

JJ McCarthy looking good. See whatever happens tonight. A real big NFC East snoozer tomorrow, but we'll be watching Game Three anyway, so that'll be fine. And then we'll be live after Game Three. I may be a little later.

I have no idea how the night's going to play out because we're going to the watch party at the stadium. I don't know if it will be all nine innings with the boy, but we shall see. I'm sure I have to get him ice cream and baseball cards and all the other shit I do when I take him to games and don't end up seeing the game. But this is a World Series, my man. Oh, I'm pretty fired up.

I was, I was, I was thinking the whole game. I was just thinking, I just got a lot to spew. A lot to spew. It was all from the dome. Fuck though.

I just exhausted myself. I don't work out anymore. I don't need to.

Now, when yelling about referees, forty-two year old man in my basement, my kid and wife are upstairs enjoying each other's company on a Sunday night. I'm down here screaming about flag football. That ref flew a flag because he got nutshotted. Yeah, he was so pissed, dude. He like tried to hit somebody with it.

That was fucked up. That was fucked up. The ref was so mad. These guys have no like emotional capacity. He's on his ass throwing a flag into the sky.

What a bitch! You can tell when I'm the most mad when I. When I say he was acting like a bitch, I'm still soft. But when I'm actually calling people bitches, like I called Giannis a bitch the other night, you could tell I'm really mad. When I say when I say that, hopefully not mad tomorrow.

We got Game Three to look forward to. Thank you all for stopping in. To I got your voicemail. I played your voicemail, Ben. Thank you all for stopping into the Winklerverse.

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