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Grandpills alongside. Paul Immig is here. We will get to the topics du jour. Uh do week? What's week in French?
Who cares? Um before we do that I've talked about it already. I said my piece. Do you have any soccer-related questions? For me, anything I didn't cover, anything that's come up.
Any questions about anything related to this World Cup travesty? or soccer in general. There are a couple of things that made me care about the World Cup this time around. More than I ever have previously. And one of them was your podcasts and your lives.
So that's a legitimate compliment. I mean that very sincerely. Um Didn't it didn't hurt that the Mexico game against England on that front lap is was really intriguing. But no, I learned a lot. Terminology I didn't know.
Well. That was good. Or at least I wouldn't have been confident saying out loud. I've heard that. I don't the terminology thing, it's like It's like because I grew up with certain words And then you find out, oh, in other countries, they call it pitch and stuff.
Yeah.
It would be like if you grew up playing basketball, and then they go. Actually, we don't call it a ball, we call it a sphere. Yeah, I mean, you just sound like a massive douche if you ever said that.
So, I have to stay true to what I grew up saying, and I'm never going to say pitch. Nail nail. Kit, any of that nonsense. If you say world class. There are some things I like, like when they score at the very end, I like that they say, he scores at the death, you know?
And I like that the soccer announcers are very like. What a just a miserable shot from the from the forward. You know, stuff like that is really cool. Um But yeah, I I'm I'm worried that the World Cup buzz is gonna go away. I felt it personally for me go away.
Until Messi. Boom! And the stuff Argentina did today. Um there's never been more of a like Who's the goat? It's this guy.
It's this guy. And then one guy just fucking clears. In the history of our time with Messi versus Ronaldo. Any other questions? The only other but my last comment.
And you eventually said this in what was Monday night post-game, I believe. But a lot of your comments about Kids and soccer and everything, and the cost of it. And I saw a couple of comments that you had gotten throughout the past week or so about like. Welcome to hockey parenting, or welcome to parenting.
So, just so you know, I've been thinking a lot about before you had, before you finally said it midway through your Monday night post-game live. I was going to mention it to you here, which is this is not. At all, a soccer thing. This is just so the cost of parenting a youth sport if they take it really seriously and really want to do it. Is ridiculous, and it actually made me look something up because I've been thinking about this of how.
Does it just feel like there's more? Kids of former NBA players in the NBA, does it feel that way, or is that factually accurate? How, like, just off the top of your, how many current NBA players do you think are the son of a former NBA player? I have what I think is the correct number.
Okay, well before I answer that number, Paul. Yes. It's It's different for like Kenyon Martin's kid to get a shot. than it is for Bob Coozey Jr. to fucking hoop in the 80s.
First of all.
Okay, okay. Yep. Regardless, maybe you want to take a guess. Maybe your guess you find is irrelevant. My guess is 34.
Grant, you have a guess? I was going to say like 10%. But maybe that's too many. I'm trying to think.
So I think there's what, 450 players in the league.
So 10% would be 45. It was like 33 to 35. You know, some guys are like on that, like, Joe Bart. One thing you guys, if you haven't learned about me, I'm a good guesser. You're a good guesser.
Thank you.
So I don't think that that is a coincidence. And like, even aside from your comment of Bob Koozi, it is not easy. Yeah.
A situation in which, like, you don't have. You, as a professional sports player in 2026, didn't have parental money growing up. Or that they, at the very least, didn't spend all of their extra income or go into debt helping you get there. Because of how expensive it is for everything.
So Yeah, but there's also, there's also, I think one of the big problems, too, is. There's just Like parents have to put their kids in these sports just for fun. Also. And if they put him in for fun, maybe something develops. But everyone's trying to say, I mean, there's a sign at Shorewood Little League.
That says, like, be respectful, be courteous. And it also says, number five. Brewer scouts are not here. Yeah.
Like it says that on the sign. Yep. That's good. But then again, this same little league. offers parents an app That the coaches, there's one coach that every team has, from what I understand.
that doesn't really coach. He just updates the stats.
So, if you want to know what your seven-year-old's batting average is in the month of June, you can look at the app. And that is fucking absurd. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah.
There's a good age at which all that can start. Um And like I remember so as a By the way, I think I hope this is interesting. I know it's taken away from time, but I remember, so growing up in Sheboygan County, we did non-competitive. You've done a lot worse with this time, Paul. I know, it's true.
But we took the county in the early 90s. Was not keeping score until a pretty ridiculously old age. I was like, as a competitive young kid, I was like, It's okay. Like, I'm nine. I'm okay if I win or lose.
And I remember, like, yeah, I think T-Ball went later than most, and it was, I kind of felt like. Challenge me, push me. Like, let's that this is all okay.
So Now, you know, fast forward to the 2020s, and I'm sure a lot of this stuff is starting much earlier than it did. I don't have like a A sampling of all of it. But yeah, you don't. And by the way, I think, by the way, I think this is also true of school. Like, was it this?
Was it like the level of. Competitiveness, you know, and grade keeping and like tracking. I don't think it was this way in the late 80s, early 90s. I could be wrong. I don't think it was.
I think everything. Is more competitive and more tracked. And more Just I don't know, nuance with How good do you need to be to be X? If you're gonna get here, you gotta be this. And if you're gonna have to pay that, because you need that tutor, you need that coach, you need that travel team.
Um Like it. I'm not. I'm not. Well, and again, this is the river thing. I'm going to try to get in this river, but I can't stop it because.
We've sucked all the money out of pros. We've sucked all the money out of college. We're sucking the money out of high school. And you're going to see private equity in youth sports at a level that is unbelievable.
So it's not just the parents, and it's not like I'm not saying it's not an okay thing if your eight-year-old wants more competition. I'm not saying that's bad. No. The options for them and the way that it's presented. It's just a fucking mess.
And then what happens is these kids turn into 15-year-olds and they hate baseball and they hate sports. Yeah.
And by the way, unfortunately, well, I mean, it's good and bad. I think more bad than good. The upshot of doing this is like you can be an 18, 19 year old. As a college athlete, getting pretty darn good, if not great money in NAL.
So, well, and so there's a lot of kids now. In one year of college NIL, like you made back your parents' investment. Tenfold in some cases or or more, you know? But there's a lot of kids holding their like parents are holding their kids back even further now. Oh boy.
For the shot at NIL money. Oh sure. Yeah.
I have a kid who's on the young end of his grade. I know you do. Which means I fucking torched any NIL opportunity. I think it was a great below. He could do first grade again.
Like if he was a grade below, he would be the best athlete in his entire class. Yeah.
Instead, he's, you know, whatever. All right. What did you have? Um. By the way.
Yeah.
Have your kids run cross country? Fixes all this. Remarkably cheap and balanced sport. Like, avoids almost 99% of what all of you were talking about. Just.
Just a tip. Good sport. Um Maybe one day we'll get to cross. I mean, cross-country isn't, can't be a thing until at least middle school because it's not like, what is your seven-year-old doing? Cross-country, like, you mean they're running outside?
Like, you can't have you're right about that. But one, but you're not wrong one day that seven years down the road for us part.
Okay. Um, I'm interested beyond the soccer stuff. I think there's some interesting brewer stuff and But I wanna, I'm NBA crazed right now, and I wanna do NBA, and I wanna do Bucks, and I'm more excited in a July. Than I have been for sure since 2021. Easy, easy, easy.
And probably most excited I've been in the top three of offseasons. I don't know, maybe since like the Jabari draft. Anyway. Couple questions on this. Um Tyler Hero was not rerouted.
Miles Turner has not yet been traded, and Kyle Kuzma is still a buck. Clearly, they have some things to work out because they have 17 spots currently committed to a maximum of 15. You don't hear that behind me, do you? Not at all. Zero.
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So. The roster's not set set, but it seems like Tyler Hero was a buck, and it seems like all the other guys that came with are bucks. And We'll see what all happens.
So, with that being said, I have a couple questions on the roster itself. Total combined all-star appearances. From here on out, from today on From current members of the Bucks roster throughout the entirety of their collective careers. Anyone who's currently a buck right now. for the rest of their careers, no matter how long those careers go.
If I said over, under one and a half all-star appearances. From Where Hero Rollins Jakin Shodis. Bo bogey. I don't know. Literally any of them.
One and a half is the over-under. By the way, raising my hand, excited, really excited about what the Bucks are doing and this rebuild and the whole thing. I'm in it. But over a one and a half. The answer is under one and a half.
Or mm-mm.
Well, how many times was Middleton an all-star? One? Good question. Or two. Let's look.
I'll look. You keep talking. I'll find the answer. My gut says. Under mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Three time, Middleton 2019, 2020. Three-time all-star? Tw nineteen, twenty, and twenty-two. Wow.
Okay, but is Middleton an all-star? How many times if he's here for 10 years? And Giannis is not with him.
Well, so maybe the question is: how many times was like Michael Red then? Like, because he was sort of on his all-star once. Red? Is that your guess? I think so.
I'll look. Okay. Um Just the inkling is to say under. One time, 2004 for Michael Red. It could be over, I guess, but Sorry, vegan.
Sorry, vegan. But it won't be. I'll tell you right now, it won't be one and a half. No. Guaranteed.
So you're gonna Because you set the half, you're forcing us to pick either Like one or less, or two or more. It's a tough business. Of all the young guys. The two players they just drafted, or the three previous first-round picks from Miami that they got in the trade, which guy would you? If one of those is been one, so that actually like...
When you're an all-star in the NBA, lightning's more likely to strike twice for you. And by the way, if you're an offensive lineman, it takes forever to be a Pro Bowler. But if you do it once and people recognize your name, you're a Pro Bowler for seven fucking years if you're Jonathan Ogden, you know? And there's a couple things with that, too. Is Tyler Hero is going to have every opportunity to shoot or assist on everything this year?
If this is the Bucs roster. That dude's usage rate is going to like lead the league.
So, one of those one and a half could be Tyler Hero this year, who, by the way, is on a contract year, back with his hometown team. I don't know why it took me hearing this on the Bucks Twitter feed to connect it, but like the hometown hero. I don't know. Maybe you're even hearing that for the first time, but like there's branding here that I hadn't thought of. Um One of the one I have could absolutely be this season with Tyler Hero because he's going to contact him.
Tyser Forum? Yeah.
By the way, are you going to be like, he's from Greenfield? He's not technically from Milwaukee. Are people going to. I'm sure some. It's fine.
He's. I mean, I'm in Shorewood, four blocks from city limits, and people don't let me say I'm in Milwaukee. I'm in Milwaukee right now on my Milwaukee farm. Were Milwaukee people upset that Giannis not only thanked Milwaukee in his video tribute, but also the state of Wisconsin? Whisco, you mean?
He didn't call it Whisco. I think I'll take under. I think they might get like. that they're going to get a year here where people are like oh young exciting player tyler halo good and that And then people will stop. nationally like We'll just, we'll look away.
You know what I mean?
So I think they might get one this year. Hero might be good. Um But I I would have to go under. Yeah.
If you're not even be here. Right. I mean, that's the other. Which I'm shocked you want him here. You should, you would, I, knowing you, you should want him traded for second for anything you can get.
Yeah, he can get you so many assets, dude. He's a former all-star player. How are you excited about what you should be furious that Tyler Hero is still here? Are you talking to me? Yes, you.
I wanted him to be a Detroit Piston anytime in the past two weeks.
Okay. Yeah.
All right. But now I think now he so now I believe it's 60 days. Have to pass until he or any of the heat players just acquired can be traded again.
So there's still, you know, between the early September timeframe, September 6th, and the start of the season, there's still eight weeks. That's Demian Lillard, was acquired in September. Guys can be traded in September, but the likelihood has now gone way down. And Hero keeps posting everything about wearing his Milwaukee Bucks gear and getting in workouts and everything else.
So I'm just now accepting the fact that, like, Whatever offers they may have gotten weren't good enough. No, you shouldn't trade him for second-round picks. But again, he's in a contract year. He will be unrestricted next offseason. You can't lose the asset.
One of, I don't know, I don't even know what the asset ranking is, by the way. What was the best asset the Bucs got in the trade? I think that's worthy of a top five list. Um if everyone's believing the hype, like Probably Yakin Shonis. First buck to ever have one of those accents on his jersey ever.
Did you know that? Because uh the only other guy was Koo Coach. But he didn't wear the accent over the C on his, in the NBA. Oh, I didn't know that. Mm-hmm.
Do you like that Bobby Portis is number 95? Yeah.
Is Yannis really seven? That's real? It seems that way. By the way, guys, because of it. Are you okay with Giannis from where you were a week ago?
Like, the thing he did with Pashki was. Very good. I don't know whose idea that was, however.
So that's what I'm curious about. I think it was. Lost in it all in Giannis' statement and John Horse's statement. I think Giannis had a responsibility to make it be nice. And to smooth things in on the way out.
But I think the Bucks had that responsibility too, because they're trading this guy away. And I think that's something that I forgot about.
So I'm sure it behooved both of them to sit. Pashki and Giannis down. Yeah.
What is so? He's up doing this stream. And Miami's introducing him, and everyone's excited, or they're at least putting the jersey out. Mm-hmm. At the same time, the bucks are like I don't think all that need to happen at the same time is what I'm saying.
Well, the problem is it doesn't matter. This is such a fucking blade of grass complaint. It does matter. The problem is that both teams had 10 days to put together their plan. And then so when the timing hits And now, okay, it's July 6th at 12:01 A at 12:01 PM Eastern.
It's like, all right, is our content ready? You know, and then it just kind of all happens at the same time.
Meanwhile, Yannis is. live streaming with something and being given fake LeBron signs with. Whomever fake stuff. Long story short, yeah, I think the answer is. Under, but that would mean that you have little faith like in Burries or Ament or Yakinchon.
Is like, you know, what I'm actually kind of talking myself into the over because I think Hero this year is one of them. Again, he's going to have the ball constantly. Like Hero absolutely averaged like 28 and 8. Just from just a byproduct of the ball always being his to do with what he wants.
So I'm actually going to change to over. I'm going to change to over. I'm going to be optimistic. I think they're both. I mean, I would put the odds at Maybe minus 110 under Plus 110 over.
I don't think it's. I don't think it's that like... I mean, either scenario is. you could argue for which very plausible which means you've done your job Yes. Thank you.
Yannis mentioned it in the Pashki aforementioned Pashki interview.
Well, hey, Yannis, it's time for you to say goodbye. Uh, what do you want to say about your time in Milwaukee? You know you could come back here any time, Yanny. Brought to you by Brought to you by, I've gotten sick and tired of this place, enterprises. Giannis has played his last game as a Milwaukee Buck.
Mm-hmm. Or god damn it, Paul. Another good one. Thank you.
I would have said no. You mean you would have said. I would have said. His last game is a month. I always said mm-hmm.
He has. Until the Paschi interview came out, did that sway you at all? With the Kevin Guardian. That actually kind of sways me that he won't. Oh, really?
I went the other way.
Okay. It actually kind of sways me that he won't. I think it almost felt like a very organic. Aha. moment that Yannis sort of had with Pashki there.
But I guess it depends. Where are the Bucks gonna want where are the Bucks going to be Give me like six years, this is going to happen. Yeah, six years.
So, in six years, yeah. Are the Bucs bringing back a 38-year-old fucking legend just for a retirement tour? Are they that down bad? Were they like... They've already retired 34, and then he can come wear seven here, and they can sell new merch.
Like, is this a thing that's gonna happen, or is it gonna be like We actually don't We're good now. We don't need you you're gonna I think this is a. I think that, like, I don't think he's going to play here again. I mean, just for reference, like Paul George is 36, Kawhi Leonard's 35, LeBron is 41. But who would have ever thought that Kawhi would go back to Toronto?
That right. I mean, for sure.
So there's just, and again, it uh Giannis seems like, and I think he's commented as such: like, he wants to play until they're like, nope. You were there's you were you did not make the team. I think he's going to keep playing. You think so? Because I kind of thought the opposite.
I don't know that he strikes me as someone who wants to play until the wheels fall off. Where do you get like? I think he just wants to win one more and then he wants to deuce out. If this is all about winning one more. Then he's gonna want to win a third one?
I don't know. I mean, at the same time, in that interview. He's like He was very, he was conflicting. He's like, some people never get one. Charles Barkley and...
Um Charles Barkley. And he's like, that's fine. And then he's like, but I need as many as possible. I don't know. It was weird.
What did you also think? Did you see the stream where he called Malik Beasley? Like, does he, is he aware of what's going on with Malik Beasley? Not enough to be like, he's like, hey, you're going to come back in the league? Motherfucker, I'm being investigated for shaving points on your fucking team.
Yes. By the way, if you guys have seen those Malik Beasley videos, like how he rushed to get a re, like, how he tried to get that last rebound, and the 110 where he ran the ball up the court to get a layup with 0.4 seconds. Boy, I don't think Giannis will come back. I read that interview as Giannis would one day like to come back and get a standing ovation from the building and. You know.
Be celebrated, not necessarily to play more basketball. What a co-owner. No, just welcome back, Giannis. Everyone clap. For him, you know, type of.
Which is which is obviously going to happen. Look, Giannis has obviously, for the last couple of years, been very scared of Bucs fans turning against him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So I think. I think that conversation's probably just a continuance of that. Like, he wants to be able to come back and not have people dislike him and boo him and all those things.
So, I think Pashti was kind of. What's more likely, Giannis suiting up for the Bucks or me hosting a show. Um The four-letter network that I used to work at, which now I call a four-letter network, not ESPN. The thing that you always reversed. I don't like the body.
Well, I was going to say why, but I'll keep it to myself. The Um I think he'll play until he doesn't make a roster or until his body completely quits. I think honestly, Maybe this is a narrative thing, like as a The person who You know, we cheer for the stories, not for the teams, but like. I think if LeBron goes back to Cleveland at 41. I think it makes it more likely Giannis comes back to Milwaukee one day.
Because did you lose me for a sec? No, uh maybe, but didn't seem like oh my crop duster went by. Yeah.
But it didn't disrupt the podcast. This this inquiry did, but the the first thing didn't. Granny, Tim's the one running the crop duster. He's more than just post-production. He's also.
You missed the spot, you fucking piece of shit. Yeah.
Bart might have missed it when he was yelling at Tim Shea, but grant, I mean, again, maybe this is just a narrative I'm creating for myself, but it. Knowing how Giannis likes to follow and do things that others before him have done, he looks up to the greatest of all time and his Kobe stuff as a young when Giannis was a young player and LeBron, like if LeBron has the full. 362 are back to Cleveland. I don't know. I can see that being influential on a 38-year-old Giannis as he thinks about, like, what do I want to do?
Like, how do I want to finish my legacy in the NBA? Sure. I mean, LeBron, for LeBron, to me, he already did that. He already went back to Cleveland the second time. Like, I don't think he needs to go back a third time to show Giannis, you know, timelines are a little different.
Yeah, yeah.
It's interesting, Giannis looks up to LeBron so much because they've never seemed buddy-buddy. Giannis has never seen buddy buddy with anybody. And he said that in his like stream thing that he was doing during the official free agency start: that, like, I'm. I go up against everybody. I don't really, and I like that about Giannis, by the way.
I always have. Um Last one in this abbreviated Well, I got one for Grant for you. Good guy. Last one with me. Um in 10 years From today, that Giannis mural is still up.
Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
Well Yeah.
Well, what if the guy sells the building? That's the thing. But whoever let's play that out if you're the guy and the person that buys it The first thing you're going to do is the new owner of the building is like, we can't have the mural. I'm going to wish we'll think on this one and say, mm-hmm. 'Kay.
Um I like murals. When you drive on 794, which they kind of call God's highway. There's that mirror of like that lady with no head. Yep, on your way into SummerFest. I don't know what that is, but I like that it's there.
I just I I like I even like seeing like Like I like seeing graffiti and shit. As long as it doesn't say like. you know whatever. But if it's just like if it's just like someone El Barto. Yeah.
I don't care. Um, there was a guy named Fond du Lacted. He was like an up-and-coming artist, and he started doing murals at the high school. And then, all around town, there's like nine murals that he made. There's a shop called Mike's Music, where it's all these different, like the Beatles, and Eric Clapton, and Janice Joplin, and it just.
It just adds life to an otherwise decrepit part of town. Or like that part on uh La Crosse on Fourth Street. Yep. Where it's like Lethold's music or some shit. Those aren't murals, but they're just old advertisements.
Light old music, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
That kind of shit is great, or like an old Coca-Cola banner, or like just anything faded into the brick of a building. I hope it stays. It adds character to a downtown. I mean, I need to go there the other day to steal that gnome.
Okay. Me and that guy are friends now. I like the twist that you guys are buddies now. I love that twist. We talked for 45 minutes.
I like that you then started out your like uh your What did you call it? Proof of life video on Friday being like, with basically like, hey, if you're watching this, like, Let's be friends. He's a nice guy. I like it. All right, you guys, keep doing this, please, and I'll listen.
Do you have a comment on the mural? GB. I don't think an official figure will get rid of it. See you, Paul. I worry if people are going to keep painting over it.
You know what I mean?
Well, nobody's gone back to Craig Council or did they take that sign down. Did they take it down? Take it down. I don't know. Not if they took it down.
The sign or the ass? They took the ass down. I don't know if they took the sign down.
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Um So, anyway, that's August 6th.
So, the ticket is pinned on my Twitter. Here's a question I have for you. Yeah.
Regarding the Brewers All-Star. situation they got Wild Bill and Miz. Yeah.
On a scale of One to ten, ten being I would, I don't want to, I want to say like 10 being an injustice. 10 being you're angry. 10 being that's not right. You know, whatever. Whatever The most upset about it you could be one to ten.
That we only have two guys. Cause I saw the. All-stars being revealed on July 4th. And I thought Harrison could get on there. Maybe terrain.
But we had two guys and I was like, huh. And then I went on living my life.
So I think I was like a two. Um I'm an eight. I'm pretty upset that Contreras is an all-star, he shouldn't be. Um, oh, it's the other way, it's the other way, Terang. Terang probably should.
He's made it a lot easier to accept him not being an all-star over the last month just because he dropped off. He's warmed up over the last week or two now. Um Again, like I can stomach Bryce Trang not being an all-star. I think it's horseshit that Luis Arize is. Like, I just don't like the player.
I don't want to watch an experience an all-star game where that's. where he's in. Um And Albi's isn't as good.
So, in a vacuum, I can stomach it just fine. But then I look at some of the other guys who made it, I'm like, oh, but they're there. Um So, you know, a little tongue-in-cheek. They should have more. Aaron Ashby's deserving, Harrison's deserving.
I think one of them might get in when all is said and done, just because that's how pitchers work. But. I don't know. My main question on that. that I don't really have uh I don't have the ability to answer.
Am I upset like the the fact with the all-star stuff?
So the fact with the fact with the all-star stuff. I used to care about it a lot more. And this is when you used to be able to poke holes in the things at the ballpark. You know, they used to hand those out, and you could actually vote at the ballpark. Yeah.
Okay. Now it's all online, and now there's like triple vote days, which is horseshit. That, okay, so that makes me mad. That they've like gamified this. Just vote and you vote.
But um They also, I also used to care more when the brewers were shitty. Yeah.
So I've gotten older. At the same time, we've entered the Well, we've been in the golden age of Brewers baseball for a while. We're hanging out. We've been hanging out there, the golden era. Yeah.
And I think when you look at these teams and you look at Who gets the most all-stars or who gets the most voting? It's always from these clubs. A fever. Or in a fervor, I should say. That too.
Am I getting choppy now? You did for a sec, but you're good now. I got you. It's the lesser clubs. Yeah, so I think for Brewers fans.
The all-star thing used to mean more to us. And we'll bitch that like other teams might have more, but We don't give a shit enough to actually do the voting. Lucroy getting in used to be like the only thing that mattered. You know what I mean?
Like that game was, oh, now we get to see Jonathan Lucroy in one game that matters. You know, like that, that used to, or we had a closer, you know, who would get in.
So yeah, Dan Cole pitched the second inning in in season. Yeah, now I just I don't know like again I'm not mad that Part of my frustration is I see some of the other guys who were in it and I'm like, well, that's bullshit. But I'm not losing sleep over it. No. Not at all.
Are did you are you going to talk soccer today or what? A little bit, yeah. And then probably never again.
Well, I actually have a take. Do you want to hear my take about that? Yeah.
It's this idea that Like everyone now today is like, oh, and now we won't talk about soccer for another four years. You know, my take is that's fine. like that's what the world cup happens every four years we can get really into it And then if you don't want to keep doing it. And you just are going to get back into another four years. It's fine.
My Colin Cowherd's been as: we take the Christmas tree down every December, and we don't complain about that. You know what I mean?
We serve cranberry sauce at Thanksgiving. That doesn't mean we need to pull it out on Valentine's Day. You know, same type of thing. Like, I think it's fine. You can get into it once every four years, enjoy it, and you don't have to feel shame that, okay, I'm not going to be a prim guy.
I might not be back for another four years. That's okay. That's life is cool. I like that spin because I saw Stugat say something like, Well, now I can stop pretending about soccer. Then fucking don't.
Yeah, just if you accidentally get into soccer, just fucking who cares? Don't. Don't be like, oh, sorry, I Hey, everyone. These people act like they brought home this chick. And they're so proud of it.
And the next morning, they're real, oh, she's a slump buster, huh? I probably should have never even touched her. But you did, and you liked it.
So just fucking go on with your life. And don't you think about soccer's feelings in this? She probably had a great time with you. And you'll probably call her again in a couple of weeks. Probably, yeah.
And then you're gonna marry her, Stucats. Um It's the same with the Olympics. Like we can get into the Olympics. No one's ever said. Time to pretend to stop caring about track and field.
Yeah.
Or like Olympic hockey or the Four Nations. Like, I think a lot of people were like, hopefully, this gets the country more into hockey. And mostly it won't because the four nations or the United States winning the gold medal, that's as you've talked about soccer, that's the peak, man. Like it's best on best, country pride, a bunch of people watching, like, yeah, the NHL on a random Tuesday night. It's not going to keep up with that.
So. But that's okay. Like, we can just get into it every couple of years. What is life, Bart? If not a series of distractions and things that we enjoy until we eventually die, this is no different.
What is grief if not love preserving? Yeah.
That's uh vision said that in WandaVision. Oh, really? Yeah.
And then my last take on that would be. Forgotten. I forgot my take. Oh, oh. I thought it was some dramatic.
Shakespeare ass setup. Like you've forgotten what? Oh. My four major sports take.
Okay. The four major sports in this country are Yeah. College football. Um domestic. Domest annual domestic events.
Okay. MLB World Series, NBA Finals. Stanley Cup playoffs. Stanley Cup.
Okay. The Masters. And then my The fourth major sport is Global events, World Cup, Olympics. Like those are Those are the things that bring us into the mob culture. The world the baseball is not a monoculture thing until it's the World Series.
Neither is the NBA. Until it's the finals. Do you Finish, and then I just I just have a question. Finish.
Sorry. No, that's pretty much it. Oh, I wonder if there's a difference between like we all get into the World Series and I get into my baseball team every day. Like, I wonder if those two things could be different, right? I don't.
I don't know if they're necessarily different in basketball, but I think so many people follow their baseball team day to day, where maybe you could even say, like, The major sports would be NFL, college football, my baseball team. For me, you know what I mean? Like, not necessarily baseball, but my baseball team is almost its own thing. But I don't know if that's not nearly as big as the NFL or college football. Um I look at it as like water cooler.
Like, what are like the amount of people that I talked to in the last 48 hours about Flo Baligan's red card? Sure. People that I didn't even know understood soccer at all, and they may not have, but they got swept up in it. Yeah.
Because it was that Like the 90s TV aspect of it. Where it's we all watched home improvement, 25 million people. You think 45 million people watching soccer last night was a big deal? Fucking 27 million people a week used to turn into wings. Yeah.
Okay. Like You could ask anybody, hey. What'd you think of wings last night? Oh, I fucking loved it. Yeah.
And that shit's gone. But these big events keep us. I think we long for things in our society that gather us all to watch something at the same time. I think that's why House of the Dragon is much smaller than Thrones right now, but I see the tweets: succession when that was big. Like, we long for things that all force us to watch and experience something at the same time.
But yet, we keep isolating ourselves more. Every day. Judy Faulkner, we are connected but alone. We are more connected than ever before, but I think we're also more lonely than ever before. That's true.
Grant, thank you for your time. Thank you for having me. And you know what, Bart? May I just say? You get bent out of shape about soccer, but I also think you're welcoming of everyone coming into the party and participating if they're doing so in good faith.
And I appreciate that because I don't know shit about the sport, but it's fun to talk about and to be a part of.
So thank you for that. Thank you for platforming all of us.
Well, I've just been dreaming forever of a time where soccer was mainstream and You know, to see them talking about it in the Oval Office, like. The way it got there, and you know, whatever, but well. Beggars can't be choosers. Like I said, I can't be all WNBA about it. I want coverage, but on my terms.
No, no, no, no. If you want to be mainstream, you got to take everything that goes with the mainstream. Good point. I also, it's funny that the NBA is the WNBA is the example for that. There are some things.
Soccer, hockey, golf might be perfect the way they are. Like, we don't need to grow those games. Maybe we need to shrink the games because you start letting too many people in, and then it's not fun for the hardcores anymore.
So, I sometimes think about that too. Uh soccer should have f ten yard markers and each time you advance you get a more shut the fuck up. All right, I gotta get back to my cattle. All right. Good luck saying to Tim.
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