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The National Perspective with Bart & Karlos - June 8th, 2026 - Banana Ball, Politics in Sports

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June 8, 2026 6:05 am

A discussion about the intersection of sports and politics, including the impact of Donald Trump's presence at the NBA Finals and the World Cup, as well as the challenges facing American soccer and the MLS.

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It's Monday. June 8th. Carlos with a K. Carlos Ortiz is here. As we're firing this up a little early on the live Dan Shaney YouTube stream.

On a Monday morning, I've got my annual physical. Today I filled out the um The pre.

Well, I scheduled it when I still. You know. Thought I was sleeping till 10.30 every morning. And could get up and not have to. Worry about not having soda.

So I'm like dying because I haven't had a, I didn't have my 7 a.m. Mountain Dew Zero. But I'll get through it. I will get through it indeed. But they had me fill out like the pre.

Form. Of, like, things I want to talk to my doctor about. Yeah, so you don't have to waste time at the waiting room and, you know, filling that shit out. Oh, he's he's got a list. He's got a laundry list.

I told him I'm fat. Um sad. Um I tell them I need a colonoscopy, I think. I don't know when do you get those? 50?

I'm 42. I don't know about colonoscopy. You should be getting a prostate exam, you know, I think once a year because you're over 40. Yeah, I I don't I need the thing where I have to have something up my butt. Yeah, that's the prostate exam.

Yeah. I also need two fingers in my ass as well. It's a good thing we're not on live radio anymore. That would have been dropped. I also did that on purpose.

But yeah, I need the uh I need the prostate exam. I don't think I've gotten one since I turned 40. I unplugged the wrong thing.

Okay. It's a buddy for everybody, everybody. 45 that Chad is saying for Kolonoski. Yeah, but like, you know, what's got me all tied up and twisted is James Vanderbeek died early. Sure did, muh yeon.

Wealth don't buy health. But was that a colonoscopy situation? I don't know what he died, but I just know the national vacation is finally over. Um Tim's gonna edit all this out in post. That is for sure.

How are you doing, bud? Good, good. You know, can finally get back into a normal, normal work week. No more. No more high rocks races, no, no, you know, extended shit that I have to do, you know, no long weekends so.

Back to being unemployed Monday through Friday, and Westwood 1 on Saturdays and Sundays. All right, so that's where you can find Carlos if need be. Westwood One Phenom Drake Toll was in my city. Oh, you don't say with the Savannah bananas. Actually, before I get into that.

Carlos joins me every week to talk about things from a national perspective. In a weird twist, there are no sports anymore. It's all how politics affects sports.

So Times. Not going to try to dip into any of that. On Twitter, absolutely I will. Maybe a little bit with the FIFA World Cup. I have some FIFA World Cup things that I need to.

share with you. I know you don't give a shit about soccer in any way, shape, or form. Like you don't even People that don't like soccer give a shit about soccer because then they go on and hate soccer. You don't even give a shit enough. Like, that's how much you don't give a shit.

You don't even give a shit enough to hate it. You just know, I don't hate soccer. Yeah, I'm completely indifferent to it. And this is an MLS season ticket holder, folks. That's true.

Which uh they're on international play until uh I think July is the next home game.

So I'm like six, seven weeks free of. of NYCFC. Yeah. Um so From a localer standpoint, NL Central update. What's going on with your chubs?

My chubs? You're Chicago Chubs. No, you mean the Cubs? I was like, what the hell are you talking about? Oh, no, we call them the Chubs.

I don't call them that. You know, I call them by their proper God-given name, which is the Cubs. They suck. I mean, I don't know. What else is there to say?

They're fourth in the division. Two games over 500. That's amazing. They're about as 500 as they can get. Alex Brigman's fucking terrible.

Dansby Swanson's. He's also terrible. They finally decided to give him a mental breather, which is aka just get off for a day or two. They did the same thing with Ian Hap a month ago. It's just this roster is, you know, not performing.

And not only that, pitching was going to be an issue going into the season. They lost Cade Horton for the year. They haven't had Justin Steele. He's probably not going to come back to All-Star Break if he comes back at all.

So, you're relying on guys like Jamison Tyone, who I've hated since he assigned there. Ben Brown is their best starter. He wasn't a fucking starter coming into the season. He was supposed to be their long man coming out at a penny. Uh yeah, and Jed Hoyer says, oh, we're probably not going to make any trades.

So This is what Tom Ricketts wants. They just wants to put asses in the seats, but he won't with minimal investment so he can go and try to buy a soccer club and act like he's the next uh, you know, fucking John Henry from uh Fenway Sports Group. But they want to be a conglomerate, but they can't even manage their own sole property rights.

So Yeah, I don't know.

Well, that's what happened with the Red Sox. They've gone down the shitter. Yo, the Red Sox are. I mean, the Red Sox are worse, but the Cubs are going to be what the Red Sox are soon. The Red Sox are the Red Sox now.

The Cubs will be the Red Sox in about a year or two. Because the Red Sox, they've put all their energy in other places.

So they kind of act like. Like a crystal palace or like an Aston Villa. They act like one of these not major clubs that then, when their guy gets good. Then they sell him off. They sell off Mookie Betts.

You know, they sell off Raphael Devers, even though he's kind of been not that great. Yeah, he's kind of whatever. This season. And then somehow the Brewers, out of all this, get the best guy in any of those trades. This pitcher, Kyle Harrison.

So, for a Brewers fan with the Cubs, seven and a half games back, I believe. Yeah, let's check the standings because Brewers are 40 and 23. Cardinals are five back. Pirates and Cubs are both seven and a half back. Reds are finally a team in this division to dip under 500.

They're nine and a half back. If you're a are you, would you say to a Brewers fan, would you say to me, a Brewers fan right now, that I no longer in 2026 have to worry about the Chicago Cubs? Oh, definitely. I wouldn't worry about the Cardinals either, despite their record, because their run differential is like minus five or something like that. The Cardinals are doing it with smoke and mirrors.

Now, they might go in on the trade deadline thinking they have a chance because the Cardinals are starving to get back to relevancy. But I wouldn't worry about the Cubs. The Pirates probably aren't making any moves. You know, the Cubs already said as much. And the Reds, I mean, I don't know.

Unless they get Hunter Green back, that'll be their tradeline destination or acquisition.

So I don't know what the Reds are going to do. They're kind of a wild card in this, but I wouldn't worry about the Cubs. And this is not me hating on the Cubs. This is not me trying to reverse Jinx with my team. I just I don't see where the big move is going to come from.

I don't think they have the prospects to go get a guy like Scoobel. And even if they go get Scoobel, it'll just turn into another Kyle Tucker situation where they let him fucking walk in free agency because they don't want to pay him.

So I think. I really think this iteration of the Cubs is what you're going to expect for the rest of the season.

So, if you're a Brewers fan, you must be happy or didn't pick a shit because. This is your division to lose.

Now, what that means. It has been basically since COVID. Yeah. I mean, what that means for you, you know, going forward in terms of the postseason, listen, the Dodgers are still behemoth, even though they do limit injuries. And the Braves are back.

So right now, Brewers would not have to buy. Right now, Brewers would have to, they'd be the three seed. Braves are dominating. Dodgers are the Dodgers, of course. Yeah, but there's really nobody else in the National League that scares you.

It's a bunch of guys that are like, okay, it doesn't matter who gets hot in August to September, but. you know If you're the Brewers, you're sitting pretty. I don't know if you can. I don't know if you can get a buy. I just be very honest.

The Dodgers and Brays are that good. But neither of them are completely unbeatable. If anything, if I'm the Brewers and you're getting to that second round, I think I might want to take my chances with the Dodgers. more than I will with the Braves, but you know, we got a couple of months before we even start, you know. going down that road.

Well, I I can um I can see if you are a brewers hater. Like I can see why this team Like how we felt about the Cardinals with with devil magic. All those years, the Brewers seem to have taken that over. They had a win on Friday where they had like no runs and no hits until The ninth inning, then they put up like eight. They won Friday in extra innings.

Saturday. Pat Murphy wants Jacob Mizarowski to come out of the game. He says no. Stares him down. Yeah, Mizarowski's throwing like 105, which is his trick.

Strikes out the next two guys. Um the way they trade for these guys like Kyle Harrison's already thrown Cece Sabathia type numbers with us. And then a big win. Uh yesterday.

So I I definitely get. How annoying, but this is also the thing with the Brewers: it's annoying to watch them in the regular season. But they're not an existential threat to baseball.

Okay, they beat the Cubs.

Okay, they beat the diamondbacks.

Okay, but they're going to lose, or they're going to lose to the Mets in the playoffs right away, or the Diamondbacks, or the Braves. Like, Yeah, they will get there. They will get there. It's kind of Packer-y, only with the Packers, it's like, fuck this. And with the Brewers, it's like.

Good try. Yeah, but I look at the brewers like. They're the National League raise. you know they're they're smarter than everybody else they don't have a crazy payroll and You know, you almost expect them to get into the playoffs. It's just a matter if they're going to not win a division or get into the wild card, but they are the race.

Yeah. We are brought to you by Happy Place Hemp, promo code BART. 25% off each and every order. Uh that is no calories, so I wonder if I could have one of those before the doctor.

Well, it's not the calories. It's the ingredient. Just stick with water. It's got to be a lot. I really want to have a Mountain Dew very badly right now.

Mountain Dew is like my morning happy place hemp. Ah, give me a crab juice. I don't have a promo code for soda. Because the soda companies are Basically, driving you to drink anything else. And that's why the THC drinks come in handy and they're very good.

And you can find great flavors as well as the ones at happyplacehemp.com. Promo code is BART. 25% off at checkout each and every order. Speaking of baseball, I did go to the Brewers Stadium yesterday. Oh, we're the brewer's plane.

Okay, I thought they're not on the road. Hmm.

So what was playing at Brewer Stadium? I would tell you, it was... I don't even want to say Savannah Bananas because it wasn't. It was the party animals. Versus the Loco Beach Coconuts.

Wait, party animals have their own. Wait, what city are they from? If they're not the Savannah bananas, is this just the party animals? Both of these games are broadcast by CW Sports nationally over the weekend. Uh where Drake was and I did watch some of the game on Saturday.

To show my kid what it would look like on Sunday. And at one point, he said, This is so stupid, I love it, which is pretty much their tagline. The bananas, they have different rules.

Okay. Fans can catch a foul ball for an out. That's. Actually, like the most fun part of the event, I would say. Yeah, because I'm elbowing somebody for a foul ball.

There was one guy who caught it and he was wearing the shirt of the other team, and he basically caught it out for the team he quote unquote liked.

So he was like, oh my God. And it was as G-rated humor as you'll ever get at a. At a Major League Stadium. But what I was learning. Was that when they had the Savannah bananas?

They didn't have anyone to play against.

So then the party animals were created. And then what these banana guys realized was Hey. We can create more teams and we don't have to send just the Savannah bananas. It'd be like: everyone's like, is it the Globetrotters? No, but that's what I thought.

I thought they were like the Washington Generals of the Bananas. They basically play a baseball game, but they just dance. And I'll get to that in a sec. But so there's six teams now, from what I understand. No way.

Yeah, this was the first time. That they have sold out a major league ballpark. Without the Savannah bananas. Wow, that's incredible.

So you get to Miller Park. Ampham. And when you walk in, you walk in at the gates like a normal stadium. But they had the fence extended. probably covered up a third of the parking lot in the front.

And they made like a little party zone. And what the party, so you had to get ticketed earlier, but what the party zone basically was, was a stage. And then a shitload of merch tents. And I posted this, but if you think we're in a recession. Go to a banana game.

Because you'll be like, maybe we're not. Because these lines for these merch tents. I mean, who is wearing a $65 party animal jersey? Other than the afternoon that you go watch the party animals. Or the Loco Beach coconuts.

These lines were outrageous. There were kids next to us in full uniform gear. For one of these teams. Like, I don't know where all this money all of a sudden came from for everybody, but any disposable income in America right now is going right into Banana Ball.

So credit for them for finding some sort of niche. I think when I got in there right away. They did the pregame stuff and it was you know interesting and different. Wow, look at that line. Yeah, and they explain the rules.

And then they did like the Introductions, and then they played an inning, and a guy, Carlos, instead of catching it like this, like a normal pop fly. He caught it behind his back, and you're like, hey, this is different baseball. And I will say, my kid and his buddies were very engaged. And my worry was they're going to want this now every time they go to a baseball game. Like, no, baseball doesn't work like this.

But for me, I did have a pleasurable enough time. Until like the third inning. When the dancing just got out of control. There you go. I mean, it's you It's It's just too much dancing.

It's prevalent. It's almost as if they think they invented Movement, the dancing. And I don't even.

So here's my biggest gripe. My biggest gripe, if I may. I'll get past when the team scores a run, they all feel the need to do a choreographed dance at home plate. I'll get past the umpire faking an injury only to fall down, spring back up, and do a fat guy dance. Like I'll get past Any other sort of in-between inning dancing.

that they provide, as you are doing so eloquently now. The problem I have Is you know the main Jumbotron? The main screen. Typically, you'll see a bunch of stuff up there and also the run line score. That got elevated or relegated somewhere else.

The entire Jumbotron. The entire time. is exactly like what's happening here on this stream. Only I would be the batter. I would be the batter.

And then they frame it in a way where you see people behind him dancing. And they do it so obnoxiously. that you want to jump down from your level. And punch somebody. The dancing is just way too If I may, way too fucking much.

No obafemi dancing. But they all dance. I can't stress enough. The dancing within the game. Is extreme.

But still. Fine. It's still digestible. If they didn't have on the Jumbotron for the entirety of the game. A weird view of the batter, just so you could see the people behind him that were dancing.

Dancing in a way like they were being coy, like it's a secret that we're back here dancing. On camera in front of 41,000 people.

So that is where. I drew the line. Robert wants to know if I'm the mayor from Footloose. Yeah. I do have a platform to run on now after this banana ball game.

So that is my review. You will have a good time. There's one other thing offensive or egregious about it. You better go with a child. Oh yeah, I can't imagine that I go by myself.

or with adults. I was on the shuttle with like... Five women in their 60s. Like, this was their weekend out. It's like.

What the fuck? Yeah, I mean, maybe they think it's safe to not get hit on. Like, they're not going to find, you know, middle-aged men, you know. willing to rail them because Like if I'm trying to get put into a pretzel. And I am a 60-year-old woman, I don't think I'm going to a banana ball game.

I'm going to my local watering hole. and pick up some, you know, thirty year old that doesn't know any better. There's a lot of people that are upset about baseball, certain baseball teams having different. I have a mute button, so no one heard that belch. We all heard that belch.

No, you just saw it. Yeah. I was muted. You can't hear me. I was muted.

You can't hear me. This is me working on a mute button. This is me working on a mute button. See? Is this a bit?

I heard everything you said. Is this a bit from you? No, you're lying. I know you didn't hear me. I heard everything you said.

What?

Okay, hold on. I'm gonna Do you hear what I'm saying right now? You are an alien. I am not an alien. How the fuck did you hear me?

Because your mute's broken. Oh, wait a minute. I know why. Because I'm on the wrong microphone. You're not on your microphone.

No, I know. I'm on the wrong. There we go. See, now I sound, I must sound a little bit different, right? You sound better, yeah.

Yeah, because I'll it defaults to my fucking laptop microphone. Uh Alright, the mute button worked there. Yeah, very asymptotic. Because I already fucking burped on stream.

So there's that. What was a good one?

Well, yeah, I don't have any weak-ass belches. I do one like a man. I don't know how to burp. If I could burp, that would solve a lot of my issues. Because I get a lot of stomach issues.

And then um I can't burp it out. I'm going to talk to my doctor about that, but that is, that is like a thing. What percentage? of people can't burp. I don't have like the glands that are necessary.

That's strange as AF. Yeah. Do you have any questions about Banana Ball? The thing that I was saying before you burped. was um A lot of people don't like the certain Nights that baseball teams have in the month of June because they're worried about what their kids are going to see.

And then they take them to a banana ball game where half-naked men are dancing the entire time.

So, yeah, my only problem is, you know, I wish that there were half-naked women dancing instead. Let's have a little equal opportunity here. I feel like banana ball is very sexist. The condition most associated with being unable to burp is called retrograde. Cicrophnigus dysfunction called no burp syndrome.

It was only formerly. It was only formally described in 2019. There have not yet been large population studies measured on how many people have it. What doctors know is this is very rare. And if you're looking for a number.

The honest percentage is unknown, but it's probably relatively small. The guy is drunk. Mm-hmm. I mean, I have burped before. Mm.

I can't make myself burp. And typically when People Have the bodily insides that then would force out a burp. That does not happen for me.

So that's a big reason. My stomach is a fucking mess. Did I ever tell you this one time? A doctor told me the reason that you're having irregular bowel movements? Mm-hmm.

is because your intestines and stomach like twist back and forth. What do you mean by that? Like how a dog. Stomach works.

So it builds up for you, and then it will twist back, and then you will. need to have a large BM. Jeez.

Sounds brutal. I'm like looking at my dog. I'm like, does that happen to you regularly? Shit. Elsewhere, yes, yellow suit guy was there.

And he made his presence felt. Who's Yellow Suit Guy? He's the banana founder. Oh. His main quote is: We're not trying to make a billion dollars.

We're trying to make a billion fans.

Well, they're going to make a billion dollars before they make a billion fans. I just I if you're the brewers like You give them your ballpark. They probably made more there this weekend than you did. Than even a series against the Cubs. Like.

I don't know how much parking costs because we took a shuttle there. Smart. But And I don't know how much the ticket cost 'cause somebody gave it to me. I want to go for free. But everything else was expensive as shit.

Yeah, I don't have money. That's why I haven't gone yet. I would also Like to look into something that happened to me at American Family Field yesterday. where I went to buy a lemonade. For my son.

And the lemonade said it cost six dollars and fifty cents. I then scanned it. And it said $7.40. And I thought, that's got to be tax. Then I said no tip.

Because it was a self-kiosk. And the total charge was now $8.13. I believe there is a scam of brewing. At American Family Field, and somebody needs to look into it. Wow.

I don't know what's going on, but... I noticed, and it wasn't enough. Are you sure you don't want a tip? And then added it anyway? I don't know what they did.

But it was like, I'm not gonna. Missed two innings of fucking banana ball because of a 73 cent. Surcharge. But that's how it starts. You're like, you know what?

Ah, whatever. And then people just go, ah, you know, whatever. Until they realize that $6.50 lemonade now costs $13.75. Yeah, but I am noticing. I am definitely noticing.

Don't let the machines win. Um what's going on? Any other questions about Banana Ball? Yeah. Uh no, I'm glad you had a good time.

Um, I know they sold out Yankee Stadium. It was the actual Savannah Bananas. Couple months ago, when they were here, I don't know when they're going to come back. I don't really care to look, but I would like to experience this myself. But if it's not the bananas, I don't think I'm going to go unless the morning show host of Drake C Toll, where the C stands for cash, apparently, gives me free tickets.

Then I'll go. I will never go to a game again. I want to make that. Yeah, you're not, you're not. I'm glad I went.

I'm glad I went. Like this is one of those things I'm glad I went But did I enjoy myself? Debatable. Would I ever go again? No.

Like memorials and these kind of things. And the last thing I did when I was an extra for. The NBC Open. I'm glad I did that. with the Zack Brown band.

I would never do something like that again.

So I think those experiences in life You're having a very American year, you know, going to, you know, being a promo of Sunday Night Baseball. Yell. Lemonade. banana ball being unemployed yeah What's it like in New York City right now? Nick's fever?

You know what's funny? And all right, politics aside, I always have to do this stupid disclaimer now. President Trump is going to game three in Madison Square Garden.

So, all of the surrounding watch parties within the Guardian have been canceled, or like they're not allowed to do it.

So, the permits weren't given up, whatnot. And security is obviously going to be bumped up.

So, the garden sent out a message to fans that are going to be going: hey, come two hours early. Because the secret service will basically be screening you. It's going to be like going through the airport in order to watch the game. I feel like Trump has not read the room. And he's going to a city where most of the city hates him, most of the Knicks fans hate him.

And he's going to go watch this game, which is his right to do so. is certainly his right. Anybody should be able to go watch the game. But I feel like He's indirectly pissing on the good feeling of Knicks fans. that are like hoping that they're about to take a command in 3-0 lead.

And just by the mere presence of him being there.

So I feel like that whole presidential visit is kind of putting a slight damper in Nixon's mood, which it shouldn't. Because honestly, Fucking Nick should be down by two. They had to come back by 14 in game one. Game two, they should have lost because the Spurs made a 14-0 run in the fourth quarter until Wemby couldn't hit that last shot. And, you know, and.

Inexplicably, sorry, as my dog screams at my doorbell. Actually, I do have to. Quite two seconds. Quite time. Yeah, go get that.

I um. I I do want to How I would approach this. If we had the national show. First of all, I bet on the Spurs tonight. I haven't really been doing a lot of betting, but I bet on the Spurs tonight.

I looked at the series price line, which is plus 300, but I didn't take it yet. But I did bet on the Spurs tonight. But one thing that I am noticing, and I posted about this too, is. There is a strong desire, and that's where you can go to a banana ball game and not have. Politics shoved down your face, even though.

You know, they still do the National anthem and stuff. That long story on that. But I'm back now. Yeah. What the fuck is going on?

How I would approach this topic, because you almost have to bring it up. But how I would approach it On the national show is What do you guys want? All right. Can I talk here? Uh nah he wanted to say something, so I just wanted to make sure that growl was audible.

Yeah. Yeah. Between your body and your dog's body and your house. There's a lot of fucking noises that I'm trying to talk over right now. And I was a pro.

I tried to power through it, but I had to stop. That was cool. I never heard my dog door microphone.

Okay. Well, I'm so glad to have witnessed that moment. Live. May I? He went away.

Can you put him down like permanently? No, I love my dog. I'll kill you before I kill him. Can you shut him up? Oh, that I've been trying to do for 12 years.

All right, I'm going to try to present my take now. Ready? Sure. Here are the various things that you could talk about. In sports radio.

Right now. Trump disrupting.

Okay. Even saying disrupting, people are going to be like, TDS. Number one. Trump disrupting The NBA Finals. That's that's a p politician.

Inserting himself in sports.

Okay. What else? Oh, the Bears. No. The Bears are trying.

They might have to move to Hammond, Indiana. Not might. They probably are. The Bears governor's board approved it. Yeah, so who do we talk about in that situation?

JB Pritzker. Stadium politics. We're talking it's all politics here in that story.

Okay. What else can we do? Oh. We have uh The world's greatest game. Number three.

Soccer. And s and the World Cup is meant. Exactly for this reason, where we can all put our differences and politics aside. And for a month, blend our cultures and celebration. of the beautiful game.

But we've got complaints from Every country in Europe. Uh This Iran situation is fucked. Yeah. There's people getting Like, I don't care. You could be an Iranian or an Iraqi photographer.

Or just like a dude from Sweden. There's been reports they're complaining about getting into the country.

So what do you what do you do on that? Uh then Guys, just stick to sports. Just give me something that I can just watch. Just give me some mindless entertainment that I can just watch. Like Two guys fighting.

For the UFC on the front lawn. Of the fucking White House. Yeah. So how do you In the summer of 2026. Talk about sports.

and keep politics out of it completely. Because while politics have always intersected with sports. And You know, from Jesse Owens. is a great example to all the things that have come and gone. This summer seems the most Ingrained the two things have ever been.

And even like the other story. The big story out of baseball this last week has been. Blake Trynan didn't want to wear a certain hat for the Dodgers. It's all politics right now. There's no escaping it.

There's no escaping it. And so what do you do? And that is the qu that is how I would have presented it. And I feel like You know, I feel like I sit back here, even when I'm on sports radio, when I'm not, I feel like I sit back here and. Like, I think I know everything about it.

I think I'm such a fucking genius. And then, you know, everybody gets celebrated except for your boy. But no one is asking that question. Everyone is so quick to. Insert their opinion.

Well, Jackson Dart, yeah, he's got, oh, okay. How about, how about, talk about the fact that sports and politics, the line is gone. And now, if that's going to be the case, or for as long as it is the case, How do we want to do this going forward? Because if sports is the great unifier. We are going to have discussions that not alienate half the people.

It's more like 35, 6 foot foot. But if we're gonna, if we're gonna. continue to talk about sports. How do you want me to do it if it's impossible? Because even saying, I don't know, this UFC fight on the front lawn of the White House, like, That might be a dumb idea.

It might rain. It might. But you can't even approach it from that way because if you start to criticize, and I'll wrap it up with this. We had Jeff Perlman once. And so, Jeff Perlman, you know, you have your thoughts on him because he's always outspoken about shit.

But we had him on because he wrote a book about the USFL. And you can't, you cannot talk about the demise of the USFL without. President Trump is a big part of that story. It was a huge part of the demise of the USFL. He wanted into the NFL.

He couldn't. He bought a team, eventually convinced him to move to the fall to go up against the NFL. And then they got destroyed. And also, him getting Herschel Walker was a big like. He's a big part of that, but then Just by mentioning that.

It's just you cannot separate it. And As Bruce says here, when politics insert themselves into sports, UFC literally on the lawn of the White House. You lose all the ability to play the stick-the-sports card. But the issue here. And why I'm bringing it up is That's still gonna be played.

Yeah, people are going to play it regardless. It's not the whole thing. Your politics are inserted into your force. That's exactly what it is. To criticize the sports is then to cr to criticize the politician.

Yeah, so I can't criticize. FIFA. I can't criticize. The UFC. I can't criticize MSG security because, in all three of those instances, I'm essentially criticizing Donald Trump.

Yeah. And that's hard. What are you supposed to do? Yeah, I mean, wait, wait, two and a half years until his term's over because I mean, that's the only way that you're going to be able to criticize it. Then it's never been shut up and dribble, it's never been sticked towards when it's your when it's your side.

Like when you agree. Like, oh, you know, when you agree with whatever's being said, it's hey, man, no problem. Yeah, sports politics, go ahead and be in the same bed. It's when it's the opposite view, and it's from both sides. When it's in an opinion, it's the opposite of what you believe, then it's shut up and dribble, then it's stick to sports because that card has always been played.

Sports and politics have been in great for a long time. Fists up. You know, at the Olympics, you know, Carl Lewis against Hitler. You know, there's always been a political aspect. I'm sorry.

Who did I say? I said Carlisle. Carl Lewis was against his own vocal cord. That's what that problem was. I listen, I'm 40.

I'm not 400. But like, the sport. Sports and politics have always been within the same fabric of things. It's just, it's now it's. Sports used to be the great escape, like you said, the great unifier.

It's no longer the case anymore.

Now, sports has become divisive. Because of people letting their opinions be known. Like, oh, you don't believe what I believe?

Well, now I hope this quarterback fails or this linebacker needs to shut up and just pass rush the quarterback.

So, like, I don't know what the escape is anymore because it's no longer sports, to your point. Like, what the hell would we be talking about if we had a nightly show? Like, what's the lead tonight? Oh, they're in game three. I would present this topic this way.

And I'm even a little uncomfortable doing it in my own safe space on a podcast. Because If I'm presenting it in a way. Where I'm asking the question. About Sports and politics. Intertwine.

I got to write some words down, I think. I feel like we're all using entanglement. What are you, Jada Pinkett Smith? Yeah. But even that question I think would have alienated.

Not I don't want to use the word alienate. But people would say, I come to sports radio to hear about sports, and here I am hearing about politics. And I'm b no. I'm trying to ask you. It's a Yeah, and then the other topic would be you could just ignore it.

You could just ignore it. We could do a show tonight. Where we talk about the Knicks and the Spurs. On the court. And I think we could do it.

But we don't know what's gonna happen. This is The fact that Trump or not, there's a huge. Change being thrown into the way Knicks fans are enjoying these playoffs. Yeah. With the outdoor parties and stuff.

Is that so I can't talk about that?

So you just talk about the action on the court. With the Bears Stadium, you almost can't talk about that at all. That's all political. I would not have brought up anything Pride Month on the show. The World Cup is tricky.

I don't I don't know. I don't I don't know. And so what am I talking about? The French Open. I guess I just Brandon Sworesby.

You know, we can talk about him. I think we're in a really tough place. Nobody knows. How to get out of it. And we can't have this discussion without people immediately.

Picking what side, what team they're on. And here's what I have. I want to wrap this part up, but I do want to say this because I've had this take a lot and I don't know. that I've expressed it publicly. But I think one of the biggest problems.

With The way we run American democracy. Is the Electoral College Not Be not from the argument. That it should be popular vote. Not from the argument. I understand why the Electoral College was founded.

Actually, kind of, it kind of makes sense to me. Like, the states, if we're the 50 states, the states, So that makes sense to me a little bit.

Sorta. It would make The problem with it is What do we do on election night? We watch a map and we see s the scores go up. We see the score. He's got 50.

Oh, he's got 39 now. He's winning. He's coming from behind. No, none of that's happening. The votes were all.

Cast.

Now we're just counting them. But because we treat And even blue for your team, red for your team.

So politics has acted like sports. I don't know. I think that's a big problem. I think that that's a big problem.

So I don't have an answer. I just haven't heard anyone. express it this way and I feel like in my little corner of the internet I wanted to do that.

Well, well done. I have nothing else to add except what I already added.

So you don't give a shit about the World Cup at all? No, no, not really. There's nobody from NYC FC that's on one of these clubs. There are two guys that got called up to the Australian national team. But if you put a gun to my head right now, I couldn't tell you who the two guys are.

I just know that they're Australian. Yeah, no, most major league soccer players aren't good enough to be in their respective national teams.

So You know, they're just Well, that's because American soccer is talk shit. Yeah. Uh The MLS thing, I thought like 15 years ago. If you told me all these guys...

Some of the top guys in the world. Would be representing their countries and representing their MLS teams. I'd be like, This is incredible. Uh, that must mean this league has developed talent. But no, it's still it's still a retirement league.

It's still guys coming over here, getting a payday at the end of their careers, living life in America, which for them they enjoy more because I mean, even Lionel Messi. Who is a big deal? And you go to the elementary school, and there's like eight kids wearing a shirt every single day. I still feel like Lionel Messi could still walk on the playground and not totally be recognized. With kids wearing a shirt.

Yeah. And he's so good. Even at the end of his career, clearly getting a payday from Inner Miami. He's so much better than everybody on the pitch. It's absolutely insane.

He looked like he was moving in slow motion and still bust these fucking guys' ass. I'd also say that um When people are going to say, well, we don't have our best athletes play soccer. We don't LeBron James, what if he was playing soccer? What if Patrick Mahomes was playing soccer? What if Aaron Judge was playing soccer?

We just talked about the best soccer player in the world who's 5'6 ⁇ , 160.

So We can still let all the big boys play the real sports. Yeah, those guys that are 5'6, 160 are trying to be halfbacks. Because they know you can probably get a bigger bag in your first, you know, in your rookie contract than the NFL than you could, you know. Playing for you know, the Nashville Sounders. The reason I know I butchered a name.

What is it? Seattle Sounders? Yeah, but there is the Nashville Sounds.

Sounds that's what I, yeah, which is a brilliant. I just added the so I laughed. Because I appreciated it, but I wasn't going to correct you.

Well, I I saw it in your face that it needed correcting. The people of the stream deserve better. And because of that, I shall leave. Goodbye. See ya.

Uh it was there in my face. You're right. I think the problem why America sucks. And I am doing a couple of quick aside or promotional tactics. I'm doing a couple of World Cup preview shows this week.

Wednesday, I will talk to longtime Milwaukee wave legend Michael King. Hey. No, not around here.

So I'll talk to Michael King. I got Gary Compton on. He was a longtime Wide receiver for the Milwaukee Mustangs.

So we're going back in my Bradley Center series.

So Dr. Michael King. Uh he's an England native.

So he'll give us his perspective on that and everything else up. He's the man. And then Thursday. I'm going to be at Tom's watch bar. Across from Pfizer Forum.

And I'll do my live one-hour World Cup preview show before I hang out and watch Mexico there. If you want to hang out. Oh yeah, I do have. And I will be promoting. an affiliate link Because there's a lot of, I'm not going to run from the fact there's a lot of great bars to watch soccer in Milwaukee in, and I will be at all of them.

But if you want reserve seating, it is hard to get. I've stood like eight rows deep. At some of these bars before, but if you want a table and seating and service and guaranteed, and then you get some. credit back in food and beverage. I have a link for you if you want to do that.

Open what? Which I have posted on my social channels.

So I'll be at Tom's on Thursday. And then Friday night. Even though the U.S. plays at night, and it's a great opportunity to. Go ham on my liver.

I am planning a post-game show for the first USA game. On Friday night. And I believe these three shows will be some of my most watched shows of all time. I would uh love to see the numbers after the fact. But America soccer doesn't suck because LeBron James doesn't play.

It sucks because Reggie's not playing. They don't. Allow. They're not inclusive. Already I'm playing U8, U7 soccer.

All these kids. I know some of these parents are like Can we play up? Can we play up another level? We're not, we're not, it only costs 300 bucks to play this rec league. We got to go play the $1,000 league.

We got to get all the, we got to, I'm seeing this with baseball in my community. You want to play another year, Rec? No, I got to play Little League. They have a fucking app in this Little League where first graders can look at their stats every game and know what their batting average is. Jeez.

I'm fucking furious about it. I am furious. And every parent's going to say it's stupid. And then, guess what? The minute a kid goes two for three, they're gonna fucking.

Snapchat it and show me, or whatever, screenshot it and show me. But American soccer, it's too expensive to play soccer, it's too expensive to make the national team. That's a problem. And then it'll be presented by DraftKings or Fandil. And the first soccer passion in this country.

There is soccer passion in this country. But The MLS has not found a way to figure that out 'cause they're trying to manufacture it. It doesn't it doesn't help that all their games are behind, you know, Apple T V. Or people are not going to pay a subscription to watch it. You need to put it on real regular free TV.

I did a show on promotion relegation last week where more of these comments that would follow, I have already spoken, so you can check that out if you please. Wherever you get your podcasts. But a lot of World Cup coverage. The biggest issues from Forrest, the biggest issue, and it's unfortunate. Most people's dad told them soccer I'll just say it's for wimps.

I try not to use that word. I'll say fuck shit, bitch, you know. Really? I say that word all the time. Yeah, I don't know why.

I think you're such a word. Yeah. I don't know why. Because it's one of those words that I think I have said on the radio. I think I have said it.

The word's pussy. I'll just say pussy. These days they call him pussy. Yeah, we say Josie in the pussy cats all the time. Yeah.

The pussycat dolls. I've said bitch on the radio. I've said bastard. Can you say those words? Uh I actually think you can.

If you're Jim Rome, you can call s you can outright call someone a douchebag. Yeah, I've never said douche. I've never said douche on the radio ever.

So you can say douche. You can say debag. You can't say douchebag. Yeah. But you can say douche.

Really? You can say douche. Like how you can say ass but not ass whole. Correct. That's kind of Yeah.

Because it's a donkey. But you can't say assholes. Can't say asshole. Hmm.

Can say F. at any at any form, fashion of it. No Fs at all. No S's at all. I got to do this to my son.

I'm so sorry, but it was a funny moment. He got, we were at a, there's a place in Shorewood called Foxhole. which I highly recommend. Very great food. Nice outdoor patio, Shorewood, Oakland Avenue, open during construction.

But they have pictures of foxes all over the walls. I like foxes. They're like little dogs. Like Tails from Sonic. Or even like Michael J.

Fox. The Fox and the Hound. Fox, the TV logo, Fox. That's good. And then he goes.

Well then why don't they have pictures of holes? And we're like, because they're called Fox Hill, we're like. You know what? It's not bad. You can have an actual picture of a foxhole and like, you know.

In the middle wall. Yeah. Pretty much all kids play soccer. How do we keep the best athletes playing it? Because the other sport coaches see that these kids are good at soccer and be like, hey.

Have you ever played baseball? Have you ever played basketball? You look like you're pretty fast. You want to be a wide receiver? Yeah.

How would you like to take this ball and run to that goal over there? Yeah. Yeah, Foxhill is great. They've been open about two years. I'll check it out next time I'm in that neck of the woods.

Yeah. One problem, I'll wrap this up with one. other soccer problem with kids Mm-hmm. When you're f you're A lot of people sign their kid up for soccer.

Okay. that don't know much about soccer. And I have to feel like this is going to change. generationally, but maybe not. Because I got a lot of kids on my team whose parents aren't really into it, but they know their buddies are playing soccer and it's an easy activity.

You don't really need to do anything to buy a ball. And even if you don't, your coach brings 12 of them to friends. Just show up. That's why you have to watch the World Cup. If your first indoctrination of soccer is the World Cup.

You're like, holy shit, this sport's cool. And I get it. But a lot of people, and it's not going to be for everyone, I get it. But let me continue. I don't know why I keep trying to like.

protect myself from what whoever who who even But a lot of people's first introduction to soccer is. Kids running around in a Pap chasing butterflies. And so if that's your first Experience with soccer, of course, you're gonna be like, Yeah, this fucking sucks. Because even if my kid's playing little league or, T-ball, I understand what comes next. Or even if they're playing shitty basketball that kind of looks like shitty soccer, they understand what comes next.

A lot of people watch soccer as just, you know, rat packs running around, and they're like, Well this is fucking stupid. They don't see the game.

So, watch the World Cup this summer before you get your kid into the sport.

Okay. Let the World Cup be the reason your kid wants to get into the sport. Anything else you have to say? Is there anything you have to say? I think this is more of you doing this against your will than you actually have something to say.

I definitely feel like I've been in jail for the last 52 minutes and 38 seconds. That being said, no, I think I've honestly, other than the Nixon Spurs, I can't tell you what. Sports I've been watching. Yeah, we're we're officially you know in summer. Like, I'm ready to go to the pool.

I'm ready to do some sport activities myself, other than high rocks, because if I have to race one more time, I'm going to fucking kill myself. But, um, I'd be rem I'd be um remiss if I didn't mention that the um DC defenders and Louisville Kings will face off for the UFL championship next weekend. That's scintillating stuff. I'm sure. My DC defenders are looking to go back to back.

I'm sure the records will be through the ceiling. Yeah. All right, Carlos, you are free. The guard is here have been removed. Y bail has been posted.

You were wrongly imprisoned.

Okay. Your incidentals are out in front. Is the NBA finals over by the time we come back on this stream next week? What would it be game seven?

Well, yeah, we would have. It would most likely be the Knicks would have won. within a week's time from now because In order for Dispers to win, we would be talking about this series next week.

So The question I'm asking you is. Are the Nick's winning within the next couple of days? Game six wouldn't be until next Tuesday.

So, yeah, I think the finals are still going on.

Okay. There you go. You heard it here first. I think that's riding the Spurs win tonight. The last time I checked the line was two and a half New York.

And I think boldly. I took the home. I took the home team two and a half. I feel like game one was a game where San Antonio got their soul snatched out of it. Game two was an opportunity to snatch it back.

They didn't. I bet on the Spurs. Here's a fun trivia game. Which one of us do you think bet more money on the game tonight? Me?

I'm pointing at you. Yeah. Is my screen going the right way? How much did you bet? My guess is you bet $10.

I bet nothing. But you said you took the Knicks. Yeah, no, I still haven't made it yet. But I'm not sure. How much will you bet?

I'll probably like five bucks. I don't care enough. Just something to keep me engaged.

So I can win my 30 cents. I don't want to be talking about, you know. I bet twenty dollars. That's a whole mortgage payment. I bet twenty big big American dollars.

Yeah, you know what? You will show me something about 20 euros. I don't know how much that is. I think it's more than the American dollar. That'll be homework for next week.

Carlos, and to all of you, thanks for stopping into the Winklerverse.

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