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May 4, 2026 9:31 am

The National Perspective with Karlos Ortiz

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May 4, 2026 9:31 am

The hosts discuss various sports topics, including the NBA playoffs, LeBron James, and the Packers, as well as the WWE and UFC. They also touch on the NFL and the recent news surrounding Tyrod Taylor's signing with the Packers. The conversation is lighthearted and humorous, with the hosts sharing their opinions and insights on the sports world.

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It's Monday. May 4th. Carlos on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. Is showing you a delicious Wendy's nug. We're longtime Wendy's supporters here in the In the Winkler verse.

And Carlos, I believe. Is eating his lunch on air. For the first time. Which is a long Winkler-verse tradition of people actually eating when they're guests on the show.

So, thank you for abstaining for the four months I've been making you do this. Um but I do understand that Humans need to Provide sustenance for themselves, and I'm not going to stop you from eating, especially those delicious, crispy nugs. Mmm, nourishment. Toby and I used to promote Wendy's on the show, and they had just come out with their potato wedges. Which um I thought standing, did they get rid of them?

Yeah, they went back to prize. They don't have any wedges at all like for the breakfast? Oh, for breakfast, you're right. Oh, no, they probably still do. And then I would start to call Toby my little potato wedge on the air.

Oh, that makes him uncomfortable.

So, I guess you get to be my little frosty nug. No. Mm-hmm. How are how are you? I was good until you did that.

Also, it is a sad day in our universe, if I may. This is the 29th anniversary of Frank Grimes passing away. Yeah, grimy, as his friends like to call them. Very sad. But actually, I will give this proper respect and swallow my food.

Real life, rest in peace, to Yankees, great broadcasting, great in general, John Sterling. John Sterling passes away today. The news was made official this morning. I never got a chance to meet John, even though we worked in the same place. Like, I was a stone's throw away.

Just two ships passing a night. But from everything I heard from John, he was above all else a very kind man, very generous with his time. You know, we'll stop to have a conversation with you regardless of who you were.

So rest in peace to John Sterling. Shame I never got a chance to meet him, but everything I heard about him was great.

So, you know, my thoughts go out to his family during this time. Have people do like Would that be the one... 'Cause mine is Euchre. That people come up to me and ask, or like if I'm. If I'm talking to my family or if I'm talking to someone and they find out.

What it is that I quote unquote do/slash did. Yeah. The one they always say is: Have you ever met Bob Euchre? Sterling's the one for me, even though I'm not a Yankee fan. Yeah, I've like I've been in the room with Huke.

And I have like talked to follow up a sentence that he's talked. But we've never been like, hi, I'm like, he wouldn't know me from, you know. The next third baseman out of Biloxi. But that's one where I feel like. Because the real answer is.

What I just said. But depending on the audience. I will embellish just a little bit. Because it seems like they want it. They want it to be true.

They're not asking me. Right, you're not flexing. You're just trying to give them a little something that they could feel. They're not asking me, have I ever met Bob Euchre? Because they want to know if I've had that experience.

They want to remember Bob Euchre through somebody again.

So I'll say Yeah, man, whatever you've heard of them, those stories are all true. Uh You know, I don't lie. I just fudge. I don't lie. Nothing wrong with that.

I mean, you're doing it for them. Yeah. I'm doing it for them. All right.

Okay. What do you got what what's your what's your lunch of choice since you're eating?

Well, again, I really didn't want Wendy's.

So I apologize to everybody who makes us part of their week. I do appreciate that. I certainly don't want to throw anybody's routine out of order. But flat out, I completely forgot about this stream. Bart texted me about five minutes before we were supposed to get on air, and I went, holy shit, I'm supposed to be home.

I was out doing some errands, but I do. Appreciate people jumping on and wondering where the hell we're at.

So, that being said, I was on my way to get Mexican food. Like I said, I had no idea about this stream, even though we definitely talked like two, three hours ago. It just completely talked about it this morning. Really? You're like, hey, you're all good.

And I'm like, yep, no problem. And then I went about my day, started doing errands and stuff. And then I'm like, oh, wait, I got to get back.

So, um, I am just getting. I just got Wendy's, the little value thing that they get. Four for four is what they used to be called.

Now it's like six bucks, but. Junior bacon cheeseburger, nugs, fries, and uh strawberry lemonade.

Okay, that's a pretty good howdy mm. Because it's readily available and it's fast. All right.

Well, now let me give proper. A tribution to the people that are actually paying to be talked about today, as Carl's place brings you, me and Carlos Ortiz. We were together on the Infinity Sports Network. That show came to a crashing halt months ago. And it feels like, though, since then, A lot of my Like, I got yanked off the air to prevent massive victory laps.

Because a lot of things that I've been talking about have come to fruition. I've said. I don't know what's up with Diana Rossini, but something ain't right there. Oh, she's in love with Mike Vrabel. I've hammered.

Hammered Jokic. and the media that loves Jokic for a long time. We'll get into that. The Celtics falling apart, blowing a 3-1 lead. We'll get into that.

LeBron. LeBron It's like people This isn't this is one series against a Rockets team that Does not know seemingly where KD is. There's already odds for his team. Oh, yeah.

So, what young team can he ruin next year? But it's like This series And he peaked and then they lost some games and then he closed it out. But the the the LeBron Remember when Tom Brady won his sixth, and people were like, Okay, whatever. He's he's, I can't fight it anymore. He's the goat, yeah, just because of his accolades.

And I don't think that Michael Jordan diehards have put LeBron over Jordan because of one first-round series against the Rockets. But there does seem to be another level of Oh shit, like LeBron I can still say. That Michael Jordan is better than LeBron James. but I can no longer do it. While shitting on LeBron James.

Yeah. And I think that's a bit, I mean, that's as close. As you're ever gonna get, because if you're a Jordan guy, you're never not going to be a Jordan guy. There's nothing LeBron can do. But now instead of using his finals records against him and all this kind of stuff.

You are um You're looking at Well, he's also good. But my guy is still better.

So, I will say this: as a Jordan guy, and I'll always be a Jordan. No disrespect to LeBron. There's nothing that he can do in his career that will ever make me put LeBron over Jordan. That's just where I'm at. This weekend was the first weekend that I was beating the LeBron drum.

And I'm not a LeBron hater. I've never been. I've always hated the LeBron versus Jordan thing, but I understood why the comparison. LeBron was probably the closest thing to Jordan that we were going to see in a long time. You know, you could argue mentality-wise, Kobe was closer to Jordan.

I get that, but in terms of Hallelujah. LeBron is To me, the second best player of all time. And that's not trying to knock or diminish LeBron at all. It's just, I always think Jordan is better. That being said, What LeBron did in closing out the Rockets.

To me. Is the most Accomplished important thing that he's done in his career, and he's won multiple titles. Dude. He's in his 40s. Coming back 3-1 against the Warriors.

He's in his 40s with little to no help. He's running out Marcus Smart. He's running out, you know, Rui Achimu. He had to create. Teammates just to be on this team.

He had to actually create another human. The Lions win with the Lakers beating the Rockets. To me, it's the most impressive thing that he's done. And I will no longer accept LeBron Slander. I don't need to compare the two.

I think LeBron, it's again, not a slight to say that he's the second greatest player I've ever seen in the NBA. With how many people come in and out of this league, LeBron's number two. That's pretty damn good. I um Cherish everything you've said. Respect it.

I think that also, I'm not writing the Lakers off against the Thunder.

Now, the Thunder. Oh, I am. Yeah, they're kind of like, you know, the Avengers. Plus Batman and Superman. They're very good, but I would say I was just like firing off tweets about Jokic and then the Celtics, and I got caught up in LeBron.

I said, LeBron's gonna win this series, man. You guys aren't gonna know what to do. I don't know that I meant it, but then it's funny because people are like, The LeBron boys are out tonight. I've been getting this comeback a lot. Lately.

This didn't hit like you thought it would, huh? Engagement-wise? I'm like, I don't know, man. I just throwing shit at the wall. I don't give a shit.

If one thing sticks, fine. Otherwise, I'm always surprised when more than a thousand people even see one of my tweets because it breaks out of whatever bubble I'm in. And. I do feel like I am uh I'm not shadow ban, but I don't I I do have the check mark, but I don't have like The elite check mark.

So I'm I'm I'm just I'm suppressed like everybody else on there. Nothing surprising about the strawberry lemonade. I just had it's delicious. The whole thing? It's gone.

That's about 270 calories you didn't need there, Carlos. Oh, I'm going to pay for it.

Well, I am going to the gym later, so there is that. But, um,. Yeah, definitely not what I needed in terms of. Healthy nutrition, as I did a Hyrox simulation yesterday, so that's completely washed. That's why I go with these Diet Mountain Dews.

Oh yeah. No, the diet's going to save you. They used to, it used to say zero calories on the label, but then over here it said 10 calories per bottle.

Now they've split the difference where they're going five and five in each spot. But for the longest time, it would say calories zero. 10 calories per bottle. I don't know what kind of magic. Does it give you like a little imaginary, like a little line on the bottom?

Like, if you drink past this, you're more than five calories. Yeah, it might. And it is probably a little too early for the happy place. Happy place hemp promo code BART 25% off each and every order with happy place hemp. Dot Come.

All right.

I wanted to talk about LeBron. We are accomplishing that. I do want to get into some of the other NBA stuff. with you as well. I'm going to read these comments first.

Greg. Says Mr. Positive is shaking shit up. Oh, God. On hold with Stephen A.

Smith right now. Go for your dreams, Boom Shakalaka. I know we discussed Boom Shakalaka as a Nelgo. Do you think that Stephen A. Smith's bosses also told them to limit the Greg calls like our bosses did?

I would hope so. I would hope every self-respecting program director is just like, all right, enough. Trev says, I logged in at noon. I'm having a smoke. I feel bad.

I'm sorry, Treb. No, I gotta get back to work. I'll try to be on time next time. Just programming note: there's a good chance I am not here next Monday, but we'll cross that break. What are you doing next Monday?

I gotta go report and offer something as part of my. thing So um I may or may not be back by uh one o'clock my local time. Um it's at 845. We can figure that out. I have no idea.

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I didn't think anything of it until Packers' Twitter started throwing tantrums. Jonathan Gannon hired as the DC. I think what happened, and then he didn't have a press conference.

So, what happened is. I mean, does it matter? No, but here's what happens: okay. People that cover the Packers. If no one said anything, no Packer fan would truly care if Jonathan Gannon had a 10-minute press conference or not.

Right. But the Packers Media, the guys that cover the team, they're interested in hearing from Gannon.

So then they put out. tweets and gripes like It's been so long. We've gotten back before we got again impressed.

So then the people that not only worship the Packers. But then worship the The media that ultimately worships the Packers.

Now you've got average Joes around Wisconsin being like I need to hear from Jonathan Gainen.

Well, no, you don't. Don't. Because you didn't think about it until that, even your reporter you follow said something. You're like, oh, you're right. I haven't heard from Jonathan Cannon.

I don't know if he did talk today. Tom says he did. I don't. I don't care. I have very little interest.

Yeah. Well, I don't know what he's going to say. Just be better than Joe Berry. That's all. You have a very low bar of success, declare.

I also, this is probably the least, this is probably the least excited I've ever been about the Packers in May. Not that my, even though I'm wearing a shirt right now, but not that my, just because it was a little looser and I'm fat again. I do like your brewers' hats, I don't. Oh, I get a million comments on it. It's a beautiful color.

Hate the team, but what a beautiful hat. Like, I don't know where I got it though. I have all these different pieces of clothing. People are like, where did you get it? Oh, you know, you just don't want them to get it.

Okay. Gannon's talking this afternoon, so I'm sure you can get a full breakdown from my guy, Grant Bills, today. He'll have you covered. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah.

No, I don't care. I've just not. The schedule is coming out, so I'm temp, I'm moderately excited for that because you know, then we figure out what trip we're going on, but that'll probably be in a couple of weeks. But I just I like overall I can't have a Packer conversation right now without saying, I don't think Matt LaFleur takes him to a Super Bowl.

So I don't really I don't know. Yeah. MetalFloor is always in the playoffs, Bart. Oh yeah. Who's gonna coach team if you fire Matt LaFloor Bart?

Oh, you even got the face down. I mean, I've been to Wisconsin. I know how your elk looks. Florencio says, what happened to the night show? Thanks for showing up.

That was crazy. Carlos and I went into our negotiations. And they said, we'd like you to come back at the same pay. For twice as much hours. And we said we'd actually like the same pay and only do 45 minutes to an hour a week.

From home with Winkler versus Branding. And they said, go to hell. And then they hired new people, and now me and Carlos are both. Right here, right now on a Monday. Yeah.

I can still seldom be heard on weekends, but. It's not the same. I was working with my boy Wicket. Oh, Wicket's a cool dude. Went to me far more often than I thought he would, but.

Yeah, I can see some things where it was like. Oh, there's a little Bartonham. And then And then he goes completely the opposite direction. I'm like, okay, no, this is my quick. But it's funny, I had his number.

Well, anything, that would be me pulling from him. All right, I see. But yeah, we talked about you very briefly on air. He says nice things about you off air. But yeah, I had his number.

I completely forgot why. I'm like, did I book him for something?

So, because when it was passed on to me, I'm like, oh, I already have it. We might have had him on once. I have no idea. But he's very good at what he does, no dead air. I will say this, though.

I didn't tell him this, and I don't mean to be a slight. A lot of Jody Mackinham. I mean, we had a shit. I've booked more guests for Wicked in those four hours than I have for anybody else in Westwood One combined in four months. I had four guests for Wicked.

Thank God he booked two of them on his own. But I'm like that. Or Married Jody McAview. Yeah. Oh, well when I say it with Jodi Mac, yes, because Jody's very good at what he does.

But Jodi specifically is just like, I needed three guests every single show.

So when he used to do his weekend stuff, I would have to get six different people to talk to Jodi. Because God forbid. He was doing four top of the hour opens. He wants to do his open and then. I need someone to help me out at 11, 12, 1 o'clock, respectively, Eastern.

And I had to go find some souls. We were putting on people who were talking horse racing. We were. As long as you had a pulse, you were in Club Jody.

So there was a very little bit of Jody in Mike Wick where I had to put, you know. couple people on air that I normally Not that I say I wouldn't, but I'm like, there's no reason to have four guests in the show. But that being said, Wicket's a very nice guy. I he said good things about you. He'll probably retract him after that.

Oh, I'm sure he's listening. And again, I don't mean any of those like, I think Jody's assaulted to the earth. Great guy. Y'all don't need that many guests. You guys are so good at what you do.

Don't need that many guests.

Well, maybe he wanted to show that there's other people with good opinions too and bounce off of that. Fuck those people. I'm listening to you. Like you as an whoever I'm listening to at that time. I um have realized Like the job it The job is a lot harder than I thought.

I mean, it's it is it. It used to be very easy coming in to work with you, although I hated the hours. You know, the commute in, you know, leaving like two o'clock in the morning or 2:30, depending on how fast I could podcast. Um You know, that the peripherals about the job sucked. But actually coming in, turning on the mic, you doing your thing, me jumping in every so often, that was fun.

It was great. Um it felt a lot easier with you. And a lot less like work. But as I do it before and after with other people, in fact, I only do it two days a week. It really feels like a chore.

It feels like work now. But it's weekends. I mean, you're the weekends. You'd think it'd be easier because I'm home too, but I'm like, I'm waking up. Oh, fuck, I gotta do, oh, I got another five hours.

Get me out of here. I can't even imagine right now. Having to go do like It's been so long since I've done a long shift. Mm-hmm. That I used to do those five-hour weekend shifts.

I don't think I'd handle it. Yeah, to me, that's absolutely incredible. I remember on weekends, I used to come in for six hours. And then there's things after. You have the show while like things are happening.

Yeah. It's just I don't miss that stuff. I I think I think that job Just the two years. really took a lot out of me, I think. I think it would have been I.

I wish we lived in some alternate timeline, you know, maybe a parallel universe. where the network didn't go to complete shit and turn into something else. And the network just lived on. And they just rearranged the shows. Because I think if we would have moved to a you know, better time slot.

I thought we would have uh been able to keep that show going for quite some time.

Well Here we are. Oh yeah, yeah. Uh you have fifteen minutes. The the uh the timer's still started at one. You were like a taxi cab.

Okay, Jokic. I've been taking Incredible amounts of victory laps. And one guy that I've been going back and forth with is Hardwood Paroxam. Matt Moore, he used to write for CBS. Sure.

Him and I have gone back in the past because he covers the Nuggets and he covers them. This Nuggets media. I don't know if it's the altitude easy joke. But there's something They really like. I'm out of there.

I've credited like Jokic is a good basketball player. There's no doubt about it. But I've also credited the nuggets. Because they have made sure. The team is styled in Jokic's image.

Like, how are we going to get Jokic 30, 15, and 10 a night?

Well, here's what we're going to do. We're going to put guys around him that. He can easily hand the ball off to and do a quick shot. Those count as assists for some reason. He's going to be the big guy.

He'll be there in the rebounds. And we're also. Going to stagger him. where he pretty much just plays with the first team. We're not going to even mess around with this.

They really didn't do a lot of that. Giannis is running around with guys that Barely know how to tie their shoes. Just and it's wherever. Mm-hmm. And so are all these other superstars.

So the Nuggets were very much maximized the minutes. For Jokic. And along the way, you're wondering: are they doing this to win, or are they doing this for the numbers? It's like, and so the blog guys, these guys all eat it up. They eat up all these defensive rating plus and.

P-E-R and just anything you can make up to have Jokic look even better. And Jokic.

Meanwhile, his career has been very similar to Giannis. He took a team to a title. Haven't been able to get back. Your coach has been fired in that time. Giannis does have the cover of injuries, including to himself.

Jokic. Lost to the Timberwolves fifth string. Guards. And Did a meeting was at the derby like the next day. I don't know what is with these dudes.

Just totally moving on. I guess, you know, maybe. Yeah, Jokic is at the Derby the next day. Jalen Brown's on Twitch doing a stream, something like a bitch the next day. These guys get over it fast.

So This guy is asking me like why are you tearing down Jokic to build up Giannis.

Well, that's not what I'm doing either. It's kind of like the LeBron thing. It's like You guys were tearing down Giannis to build up Jokic. Yes. And then the people will go, well, he had three MVPs.

Voted on people that had. There's been, I don't know what the answer is. There just seems like there's some sort of agenda where people have decided Jokic is our guy and his basketball play and Which is strange because he doesn't like any of you. It also might be a work, but he doesn't seem to like any of you. But they might be like, well, we love numbers, and Jokic is the best at these numbers, which the Nuggets then, through their style of play.

I feel like they inflate those numbers. Fair. And then, so you've got, it's a whole echo chamber. I mean, truly. As echo chamber as it gets.

So if you're a media guy arguing, well, yeah, Jokic is better. He's got three MVPs. You gave him those MVPs, should have four. They only got tired of him and that's why MB got that one random MVP.

Well, and indeed, if you look at like the last six To Eight years. I didn't wanna. But if you look at there, there was that time where, yeah, Jokic, Yannis, and Embiid, these are the three most dominant guys in the game. Yeah. But it felt like they were putting Embede here, Giannis here, and then Jokic way past the screen.

When really there was a lot more similarity to a bunch.

So it's not that. Like Bucks fans have been very loud, but it's not that we're like. See Jokic sucks. It's more like. See, Jokic is not what you thought he was.

Right. And Giannis is better than what you thought he was. We're just trying to put these guys in your mind on an even playing field because you're the ones. That have balanced the scale. No one's asking Giannis.

You don't have Malika Andrews coming to the press conference in her bare feet. She wasn't wearing shoes that reason for some reason. I don't even know because she was like leaning back and hanging out. Don't get any weird ideas. Uh daredevil style.

But like She was asking six years ago. If you're leaving, nobody's been asking that to Jokic.

So I just want some sort of I just, all I ever want is authenticity, genuine. I want things to be on a level playing field. And that makes me a super Library. And that makes me a dumb sports fan, I suppose. Yeah, I mean, both things can be true.

You could be a dumb sports fan and a lib, but it could also be true that Jokic has been propped up like. Like the lore of Jokic is greater than Jokic's actual play. And I don't want to say value because he's immensely valuable to the Denver Nuggets to the point that. I can't see in what world that they would trade him. Uh, because now that now that there's a little bit of chatter, a little bit of smoke about like that, because of Jokic's comments after losing the series, saying we're not anywhere close to winning.

And I believe that you know, the Western Conference is loaded. Um, the team. I think that they've peaked. You know, they got their one championship. That's cool.

They made some peripheral moves, but it really hasn't worked out. I mean, I can't believe they really miss a guy like Michael Porter Jr. and what he was able to bring to the Nuggets. Javel McGee was another one.

So, like, you know, the team, as my dog is attacking a stuffed turtle that we just got him yesterday, the team has slowly changed around and they're just taking steps, you know, backwards and backwards each year. Is he having relations with that thing? No, he's here in the turtle. Can I show him? Come here.

All right, he walked away. But no, it's a brand new turtle with a fresh squeaky box.

So he's just biting it, attacking it, like any other dog would. But um Yeah, listen, I don't remember what my point was, but Jokic, good, just not as good as you think. I'm not gonna. I want to show the turtle. When I get a chance to snatch it, I will show it.

I just appreciate you. I mean, I can't ask you for anything. I just need your presence here. I'm here. And so that's enough, but.

You were late, ate during my show, and then now your dog's a turtle. He's not a turtle, he's chewing the toy. It's a chew toy. Doggy, give me the fucking turtle. Good seeing you together.

Alberto, how much weight have you lost? I'm going back up, Greg. I've actually gained weight as well. I'm very upset about that. Here is the turtle.

I even I had to reshoot a video I took in the car because I was showing too much chin. Oh, that's a nice turtle. That's a nice turtle. Yeah, Shelly. Shelly.

Oh. Wow. Or if it's a gender-neutral turtle, then Sheldon. How is Alberto Jr. doing in soccer and sports?

We're 0-3 in our spring season. You guys really suck. We lost seven to one yesterday. We have 12 kids on the team, and games are only 48 minutes, so these kids only get 16 minutes a game. Which means they lose interest.

But then again, if you play a baseball game for 48 minutes, you only get three at bats. Right. You're playing a rant for four minutes anyway. Yeah. They're definitely playing more in soccer.

Yeah. I don't know.

So it was a tough weekend out on the pitch there. Greg. The other basketball highlight that I took a victory lap on was the Celtics. The Celtics I actually, I put money on them to win, so I was rooting for them to win the championship. figuring Tatum would come back, then they bring Tatum back and then He likes to pieces out for the last game.

Yeah. Bombs their chemistry. Yeah. They're using I heard Simmons say they almost were using this series as like Well, this is we're just going to figure out what we want to do against New York in this series. But then they didn't even get out of it.

And I don't know. Like, I have not enjoyed the Sixers, I like Maxie. But I've hated playing them. I've hated playing against the Celtics. And so when the Sixers play the Celtics as a Bucs fan.

Or it's just an NBA guy, it's like, who do you really root for? Yeah. But then this outcome. Where the Celtics Go up 3-1. 3-1 is the funniest lead to blow.

Where they go up 3-1 and then blow that to the Sixers. It'd be different. It's the other way. It's got to be this outcome. This was by far.

The funniest And most enjoyable outcome to a hater of both of these franchises: the Sixers coming back 3-1 to beat Boston. Yeah, I will say because the Tripistons also came back to 3-1, but no one rags on the magic. You know, compared to what the Celtics do, because Magic were like, all right, cute story. We've seen this before. You get bounced out in the first round every equal time.

And they did fire their head coach, Jamal Mosley, who's out of a job, just like us.

So, breaking news there. If you weren't adept, Orlando Magic will now be looking for a new head coach. Hey, maybe Billy Donovan will go down there for a second try. That being said, it's a funny outcome. Because of all the gripes and complaining, specifically with Jalen Brown on the conclusion of the 76ers and Celtic series.

Jalen Brown, he goes on Twitch and he says it in post-game two and a couple of different places. He complains about flopping. He's a Joel and Beat's a great player, but he flops so much. He doesn't need a flop. He's better than that.

And it just sounds like complete sour grapes. Brown, I wish we actually were working because I would have cut the sound. Where Jalen Brown has said specifically, flopping has ruined the NBA. He's like, flopping has ruined the game.

Now he's right. He's absolutely right. But it's also a uh What are the kids saying? What's that acronym? S-Y-B-A-U Sibau, which is shut your bitch ass up.

I never heard that before. Oh, you're not cool like I am. I'm hip to what the kids are saying. Jalen Brown, shut your bitch ass off. Because I got the audio.

Oh, that's great.

So, yeah, you'd be the board guy. Jaylen Brown. This is my personal opinion on basketball.

Some of y'all might disagree. You know what I mean? but argue with your grandma. Flopping has ruined our game. Jolen Bede is a great player.

One of the best bigs in fucking basketball history flops. He know it. This ain't breaking news. You say, you know what I mean? It is what it is.

I can clip it up, like I said. Y'all can post it on these paid accounts that y'all these bot, whatever. That's just my opinion. All right, he's cramming a lot of gripes in there in one 30-second clip. Yeah, he's just, it's just nothing but salt.

Also, bravo to you. Because I was about to say what you already retweeted. Bravo to you staying on top of it. You want to go? Just wait, just wait, just wait, just wait, just wait, just wait.

That's funny.

Well, there's some breaking, there's some minor breaking packers. Oh, yeah, yeah. Definitely nothing that you need to pull over for. Jake says Jalen's not wrong about Embiid, but it doesn't change the fact that this is loser behavior. Oh, 1,000%.

And that's why the Celtics and Jalen Brown specifically need to shut the hell up. It absolutely. Salty ass behavior. Jalen Brown should be the new logo for Morton Salt. Get rid of the girl in the yellow coat with the umbrella and just put Jalen Brown there because he's salty as all get out.

Now he's right. Flopping has tremendously a floppy. Yeah, he's James Harden, SGA, Foul Merchant. All these guys are doing it. And if he's not even.

Completely correct about what ruined the game. If you're a basketball purist, if you're someone who pines for the 90s, who thought basketball was better when growing up, like I like, you know, when I watched basketball as a kid compared to today's game. Blame Steph Curry. Blame all these guys that want to shoot from the logo. The Celtics helped ruin the NBA.

How many three-pointers did they miss in game seven alone? They were just chucking up shots left and right. Three-point shots have done more harm to the game than flopping has.

So he's right to an extent, but you sound like a Bitch, when you blow a 3-1 lead and then complain about how Embiid and such is flopping all the time, especially when you do the same thing. Such absolute weak sauce. Yeah. And then the fact that he lost on Saturday. And within 24 hours had scheduled a Twitch.

Yeah. Where he's going to then and I thought it was just going to be him, whatever. I didn't realize he was playing back the game and like breaking it down.

So I understand, by the way. That We are doing a podcast in the middle of Monday. That is barely. Reaching the numbers that Laura Loomer is getting these days. I understand that.

But There is too much content. And when an NBA player loses a game and then immediately goes on a Twitch stream the next night, And then random people were showing up in the most sideways room I've ever seen in the world.

Okay. I thought like this is this is the problem. This is gonna be a phrase millions of people say for the next million years. I thought it was AI. Not him in the room, but the first initial announcement like.

Hey, come join my Twitch. But The next the next day. You're going to go. I was, I already thought it was weird that Jokic was like, all right, I lost. I'm going to the Derby.

Yeah. Okay, when did that plan happen? But for Jalen Brown to just be like, all right, well, fuck, what am I going to do? I'm going to sign on it. See, a lot of people say men podcast 'cause they won't go to therapy.

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Kakawa! Um the Packers have signed Tyrod Taylor.

Okay. to be the number two quarterback in Green Bay. Tyrod Taylor.

Now, I immediately... Posted another Pro Bowler in Green Bay. But I also got confused with Tyler Huntley. But was bailed out by Tyron Taylor, didn't win a promo, go to a promo.

So thank God there. Taylors play with the Ravens, Bills, Browns, Chargers, Texans, Giants, Jets. And now coming to The Green Bay Packers, uh, Tyrod. Tyrod Taylor.

Who you will inevitably see for at least one game. Because it's Jordan Love. What the fuck does that mean? Jordan Love's gonna Have a hangnail or some shit, and he'll miss a game. Tyratello will come in and do it.

Probably going to get his ass blown up by a shitty offensive line and then have a concussion. All right, well, whatever. I try to say hangnail, you went full-blown concussion. Either way, you're going to see Tyrod Taylor. Enjoy.

And then he's going to have a game where Matt LaFour. Calls the game more conservative, but then Taylor hits the two big plays, and the running backs do all the work. And someone's going to be like, We need Tyrod Taylor. Packer fans, man, they they just like do not want They're ready for. They want to be like.

We miss Malik Willis. They want to be like. We've had four great quarterbacks in a row. Because they'll acknowledge love, but they want to move on from it. They're like, Far of Rogers and then love, yeah, he was good, whatever.

But now we've got this fourth guy. Yeah. They want Jordan Love to be good. They just don't want to live through it. They want him to be a great bridge.

They want him to be the greatest bridge quarterback of all time from Rodgers to whoever that next great thing is. Man, Jordan Love, man, you couldn't ask for a better bridge. Yeah, I don't understand I don't understand why like Mm. Because people joke, like the backup quarterback, but in Green Bay, it's important. It's not going to be a joke, and people are going to.

It's a valuable positioning, Rume. People are gonna be like you're not you're not bringing in Curtis Painter. who will never cede the field ever. when he's back in a Peyton Manning in Indianapolis. Oh, how about I went to a brewer game and Matt Painter was behind me?

Yeah, I don't get the connection there, but man and the people, like I told you in our text. Good for Matt Painter. Uh, that he had coach of uh Purdue. If any of you don't know who Matt Payner is, I don't know why he was there. Why he was there?

He was there. But cool. NBA playoffs continue tonight. Knicks and Sixers on NBC and then Spurs and Timberwolves. Noah Eagle on the call for the uh Knicks and Sixers.

on Peacock and the games are overlapping. It's very strange. This whole playoffs have been strange. There's still going to be, like, basically, every series right now I was looking at is going to have a game on ABC, on ESPN, on Prime, on NBC. Yeah.

You're not going to be able to get. Until the Western Conference, Eastern Conference finals, when I think it's just one network, you're going to be jumping from Lily Pad to Lily Pad trying to catch these games. And I've usually been like, oh, it's only six bucks. What's the big deal? But it's like too confusing now.

I went to turn it, I went to, I knew a game was on streaming the other night.

So I'm like, all right, I'll go to Prime. It was on Peacock. Yep. Then you have to pay. One streamer, you're already going in.

Mm-hmm. Two streamers, brother. What are you doing to me?

So we've got the Spurs and Timberwolves. We might get Anthony Edwards back at some point. We probably will, but just a matter of when. Um, Knicks and Sixers. Knicks got tested by the Hawks, but then.

Boy, they went out to an amazing finish in that series. Yeah, they finally said, you know what, CJ McCollum, you're not this dude. We're just going to go ahead and game plan you out. And the Hawks had no counter.

So every Eastern series win at least six. They all win seven except for Knicks and Hawks. They've got the seven-seeded sixers. The Pistons and Cavs. Pistons were down three-wheeled to the Magic.

They haven't like looked that impressive The east is wide open.

So if you're You know, a Bucks fan, you're like, God damn it, can we have done anything here, man? Um but I I would say that the the East right now Talent-wise, has to be the Knicks to lose. I will say this. The Eastern Conference, basically, whoever wins between a Knicks and a Sixers. They're going to the finals.

I don't know.

The Sixers. We're watching the Eastern Conference finals with the Knicks and the Sixers. No disrespect to, well, no, fuck that. Complete disrespect to the Cavs. and the pistons.

All right, I guess. The detripisms are not your traditional number. Where does this turn it on? You know, he has not been getting any secondary help. Like, Jalen Duran has been, you know, hit or miss.

You know, Tobias Harris is Tobias Harris.

So, like, you know, there are guys that are there, but they're not consistently getting Detroit that second option to scoring. It's their defense that finally clamped down and why Orlando went home. I would have, to be honest, I thought it would have been more entertaining if the magic advanced, but you know, we don't get that. You know, Franz Wagner getting hurt and not playing game seven really, you know, screwed Orlando there. But in any case, The Detroit Pistons and the Cleveland Cavaliers, neither of these teams have looked overly impressive at all.

I think, I don't care if it's the Knicks or the 76ers, they are waxing. Whoever wins between the Cavs and the Pistons.

So the Knicks and the Sixers, right now, they got to gear up for a fight. It's really the key to this that series is Joel and B's knees. If he is compromised and cannot go seven games, because I think this series is going to go a distance. then the nicks should be Honestly, if it's not this year, it's never. The Knicks should be walking into the finals if they're able to get past the Sixers.

And conversively, if the Sixers win, I think they should be favored. They should not be looked at as a seven seed when they're facing the Calves or the Pistons. I think either of these teams. Go right into the finals if they're able to get past this series. The West, you have the Thunder Lakers, like I said, Timberwolves and Spurs.

Not as entertaining. Timberwolves could have a magical run in them. Lakers could upset the Thunder. It's probably going to be Thunderspurs. Mm-hmm.

Which is that I think that's a series we want to see. I think I want to see LeBron Wemby. Oh, listen, again, there's someone who's given LeBron his flowers, and again, second greatest player of all time. And what he's done is so blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The thunder and the spurs.

They're reigniting something in fans that we haven't seen in a while. Like good old-fashioned, I don't fucking like you, and we're both good. the thunder and the spurs specifically with Wemby and Chet Holmgrove, they don't like each other. That's the series we need to see in the Western Conference. The Lakers, cute story, get him out of here.

The Timberwolves, just too banged up. Even if Ant-Man comes back, it's the Spurs. You're not going to be able to, you know, beat Pete Wempy and the rest of those guys.

So we need, I think the NBA needs, they need Thunder and Spurs. The thunder Although they're not entertaining to watch, the thunder.

Well, and here's the like thing around the thunder that's interesting. They were the Sonics. And people are like, okay, fine, Oklahoma City. Like, did good when they had the Hornets.

So maybe they deserve a team there. But not C, don't take Seattle's. But all right, but Seattle's going to get a team back enough.

So, okay, everyone can be happy.

Well, they still haven't had a team back. And then for much of that time, the Thunder were terrible.

So there's very little reason for anybody else to have given a shit about the Thunder in this time. Then they make one trade. Massive dividends, obviously. Where they flip Paul George, get SGA, and all these picks that they're still cashing in on. At the same time, Adam Silver keeps trying to tinker with the NBA.

The draft stuff comes in, the salary cap stuff comes in. Second apron stuff. Yeah. And it's basically, if you look back, like, Oh, well, once that trade happened. The NBA sort of manufactured that the Thunder would be the ones to benefit from tanking, only no other team would ever be able to do so again.

Yeah. So the Thunder are getting a lot of, they tanked, they tanked at the right time when everybody else is tanking at the wrong time. Bad for you, bad for you, bad for you. But you were the one team that happened to take, sort of like the Spurs 2. Or whenever you have a down year.

You get a generational guy at number one. Yep. That being said, the Spurs are immensely more likable than the Thunder. Even though there's reasons to not like either. Yeah, the problem with the thing.

No one on this planet is more genuine than... Victor Webb and Yama. I love this guy. Yeah. Oh, Wemby's going to be the new face of the league.

There's only one Wemby. He's an absolute freak. He's likable, like you said. The thing with the Thunder is everyone acknowledges how good that they are. But They're boring as fuck to watch.

They are not an entertaining team. Like SGA being called a foul merchant, that's true. The dude is and he does it. It's an art like no other. He gets more calls than anybody, but it looks legit, you know?

So, like, credit to his game. He's everything James Harden wishes he would have been. James Harden walked, so SGA could run. That means it, they're not likable because that style of games, you're like, uh-uh, what am I watching?

Okay, the Thunder are up by 20, and like. This they're just gonna be blowing the doors off of people, but There's no style points, there's no pizzazz. And I'm like, if you're the Thunder, you don't give a shit. You want to keep winning. And they're equipped to do that for a very long time, but.

I'm bored watching those guys.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are very likable and they have this one-of-a-kind generational talent in Wemby, who, by the way, is well-spoken and likable.

So, yeah, I'm going to be rooting on the Spurs. And as if they don't like each other, it's great. Yeah. I thought he cracked his face. I thought he did too.

But that's why I'm like, yeah, cool. All right, we got the Lakers and we got the. And the timber wolves there and and You know, certainly anything with LeBron is going to be compelling. And I like Anthony Edwards if he's healthy. And I like the Timberwolves a whole.

I just think they're in the, you know, they'll be better off when they, uh, when NBA does the realignments and Seattle gets back into the league and, you know, Minnesota now comes into the Eastern Conference. Then I think you're going to start to see the Timberwolves start to dominate again. They just got to get out of the West. Us, but I like what they built there. They just happen to be going up against the Spurs and the Thunder, respectively.

So let's get those guys out of here. Yeah. And the injuries. Dante DiVincenzo, that was a big deal, too, because he's such a glue guy for Minnesota. It's a shame that none of them are healthy.

But that being said, You're running into the Spurs and the Thunder. That's the series we need to see to a Western Conference. More Packer press conference controversy as this Tyrod Taylor news. Did not come out until right after the Packers' offensive coordinator was done with his press conference.

So now Packers media upset that we didn't get to ask. Adam Stenovich had a question about Tyrod Taylor. Because it was May as it could ever Fucking be. Who do you like in the Stanley Cup? You're down with my Sabres still, right?

Yeah, I got no problem with the Sawbrays. Or in your home state. They might as well be Canada. That being said, my sister-in-law went to the University of Buffalo. I have no problems with Buffalo.

Um the Rangers are guaranteed a top five pick.

So You know, I've been checked out of hockey since they got eliminated. Listen, good for them. I mean, nobody's had a worse month in sports than Boston. You know, they lose to the Sabres, Red Sox fire Alex Cora, the Celtics blow a 3-1 lead, and Mike Rabel and Diana Rossini's years-long affair have been outed out to the masses.

So I'm actually very fucking glad everything happened in the bus right now. It's funny to kind of point out and do the Nelson Muntz laugh. Um but yeah, I I got no problem with Buffalo Cut. I mean what do I care uh? McDavid, to me, is the biggest loser in modern-day sports right now.

He's the new Mike Trout, a transcendent player that will never win a championship.

So I don't really have a rooting interest in the ANHL. If Buffalo wants to go all the way and do it, kudos to them. I think Buffalo deserves a championship because the Bills sure as shit ain't giving him one. Yeah, well, I'm on board. It's just I was thinking about what happens if the Sabres win.

The Stanley Cup because I've I've been a fan. But I'm just going to text my buddy after and be like, dude, this is sweet. They want he's going to be like, hell yeah. And then that's it. Yeah.

So they're going to love this the rest of their life. It's like. It's like when I went to the wave, they won a championship. The soccer team here, it's like, nice. Cool.

All right.

Yeah. What are we doing now? Let's give everybody an update on the Stanley playoff bracket.

So, oh, please do. The Sabres, we're the number one overall seed in the East. We'll be playing on the Montreal Canadiens, the degree seed. That's going to be on Wednesday, game one, TNT True TV. Check your local listings accordingly.

And then you have the Carolina Hurricanes, who already have a one-game lead over the Philadelphia Flyers.

So maybe it's Philadelphia's turn to start taking some ass weapons if the Sixers and the Flyers get eliminated here. The Hurricanes are definitely a far better team than the Flyers. No disrespect, the Flyers, but the Hurricanes are good.

So I would like to see the Hurricanes and the Sabres, and I think that's most likely what we're going to be getting because Montreal's okay. In the West, the Colorado Avalanche, who are an absolute juggernaut, they got a one-game lead over the Minnesota Wild. Their next game is tomorrow on ESPN. And then you have the Vegas Golden Knights, which since the inception of that franchise, The Golden Knights have won a Stanley Cup, and it's seemingly they're in the Western Conference finals every fucking year.

So, like, expansion drafts are so different in hockey than anywhere anywhere else. They constantly, those.

Well, the Chicago Fire, hey, the Chicago Fire. They won an expansion title in 1998. Yeah, how about that? And then, you know, case in point, the Golden Knights, their first round, they had to knock off the Utah Mammoth, who were literally just born yesterday. But the Golden Knights and the Anaheim Ducks, that game is tonight, 9:30 local time.

So check your listings accordingly. And that is your playoff record that nobody asked for. The final thing I'll wrap up with is the Diana Rossini coverage. has now taken a but what about Jay Glazer? Yeah, Jake Blazer is not naked with these people, eh?

Correct. Yeah. But. These guys like Jay Glazer's Glazer, you know, maybe this is a Sean problem because I always rip on Sean Payton. And Sean McVay.

And who are they friends with? Peter Schrager. Peter Schrager plays the Schrager. Yeah, so maybe it's not Diana. Maybe it's not Not Schrager.

Maybe it's not Jake. Maybe it's the coaches. Maybe it's McVay and Peyton. He'd like, yeah. What are you doing?

Like, they're trying to play the media too hard. Of course.

Well, Payton was media. That's why he's all up their ass because he knows if things don't work out. He's going to have to be media again someday. When I covered this league, I remember the line between reporting and coaching. It was kind of a thinly covered veil there, but it's kind of opened up with this Diana Rossini Mike Vrabel thing.

We just kind of stay out of that and just focus on the team. And as long as we take care of our fundamentals and our X's and O's, it just got to be Rams football first and foremost. Bravo. And I hope McVay never takes a higher up because didn't he like smash Brick McHenry, who's no longer even in sports anymore? Like McHenry and Rossini got into a fight over McVay.

So let's not act like these coaches are holier than that. Want to hear my kingpin impression? You're what? Kingpin. I will put myself on mute and lean back as I enjoy this one.

No, I can only do one word. I can't do more than one word. Ha!

Okay, okay. Awful, that's fucking awful. That was terrible. Buck. Fuck.

But that second one was better. Ha!

Terrible. Miss Paige. Ha ha ha ha! No, I was better. I was nailing it at the park the other day.

Oh, yeah.

Man, oh man, I don't have it. If only somebody was around to hear me when I did it back then. Man, the acoustics in this basement are not good. Yeah, the lighting's Murdock. Fuck.

Ha!

Ha!

I got it. Speaking of which, obviously, you're up to date. Daredevil will be watching tomorrow night. Um did you see here did you want to do a spoiler alert in case anybody's like didn't watch last episode? I don't know.

No, I'd rather keep that between us. I need to tell you. What the fuck's with this New Day shit? New day. They're out.

Are they? Yeah, TKO is trying to have all these guys renegotiate their deals in the new days. Like, fuck it, we're out then. I didn't know that. Yeah, and the the rumor mill says Roman Reigns ain't happy either.

Oh no. I didn't see that. Because the last thing that I heard was, you know, I mean, obviously, we're talking about a week old at this point. Kairi Sane was let go. And I was like, I'm like, yo, you just literally had her in a feud with Asuka and EO Sky, and you're not going to get that story resolved.

I didn't know New Day left.

So here's my very limited understanding of what TKO is trying to do. Besides ruined the industry, but go ahead. Most sports leagues. Like to pay their employees The NFL, MLB, NBA. It's 50% of their revenue ends up going back to the players.

Okay. But TKO runs UFC. And a lot of these guys are so brain dead and stupid. That UFC fighters only attribute like 5% to 8% of the calls. They get nothing of the company.

So TKO with the wrestlers, wrestlers are about 15 to 20%. And they're not saying, okay, well, that's still a lot. They're trying to take it down to UFC levels. They think the wrestlers who have been negotiating their whole life. You know, with these indies and everything, they think that these wrestlers are going to be as stupid as these brain-dead UFC morons.

Yeah, no, and wrestlers are as about as financially savvy as anybody in the industries. Wow, I didn't know that.

So you broke the news to me. That's crazy. And it looks like Tongaloa and JC Mateo, which I didn't give a shit about. They're alliant family's gone. Yes, I did see that.

They're gone. Um who else got cut that was Oh, that was kind of crazy. I'm pulling up the releases now, but yeah, the whole Wyatts are gone. Stamp up. Yeah.

And then meanwhile, Dan Hausen's going to fight Kit Wilson at Backlash. Yeah. And wouldn't Miz in the corner, like, who gives a shit? But those are my two of my favorite guys: Aleister Black and Zelina Vega were the other ones. Yeah.

I know the guy that married them. Really? Yeah, some of the other names here you don't really give a shit about. Like Zoe Stark, she had her little push when she came up, but she was too busy killing everybody else that she was in a ring with. And then once she got hurt, they're like, all right, we're done with this chick.

Motor City Machine Guns was, I never got behind. Like they had that title run, but I could give two shits about those two dudes.

So they got cut. Apollo Crews, I didn't even know he was still in WWE.

So yeah, there's a, you know, they're definitely making some moves that make sense. Like Santos Escobar, again, another guy can never really get behind. They botched that whole LWO faction. Um, Aleister Black, but that was that was disappointing because they never could figure out what to do with him.

Well, they try they try to have him do the carrying cross. All right, we're too much wrestling. All right, I'm gonna wrap up. Um, Carlos, thank you for being here. I'm glad the Wendy's was good.

Hope it's settled in by now. Oh, it definitely is. And, you know, don't ever, you know, take Dan Housen's name again. You don't want to be cursed.

Well, no, I look my kid loves them. I think he must bring in a tremendous amount of revenue in such a short time. Um, his gimmick is very like throwback wrestling. I do enjoy it, but it's so clear, like, it's so clear. Because Wrestling Wrestling has more than one royal family.

Wrestling has. Like I'm watching it and I'm reading people my age. Having massive problems with what's happening, and I agree, and then I watch it through a six-year-old's eyes. And it is like the greatest city of ever fucking time. Yeah.

So we are. I mean, we're basically griping about Bluey here, folks. Yeah, and that's fine. I mean, you tell me everything that's right with Bluey. I mean, like.

You know, you're gonna have if you love something, you can criticize it. And I'm sure Bluey is imperfect. All right, good to see you. Likewise, I'm glad that I was here and that I finally remembered. Maybe next week, unless you have something to attend to.

Yeah. CBD. Again, I hope I can make it. It's a little bit out of my hair, but I'll tell you off air. Great.

This counts as on air? Sure does. All right.

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