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I'm Bart Winkler. Carlos with a K, I think is here. You got to talk again now. I am here. I muted.
Okay, all right. All right. You have a mute button and everything. Oh, yeah, because you were messing around with the sound and then. I didn't hear.
I saw your mouth move. I didn't hear you talking.
Well, that's because I was doing vocal exercises. I was going avocado. Asparagus. Unique New York. Seashells, Seashells by the Seashore.
And I fucked up the first part. Dude, I've seen way too many spoilers for Daredevil season three. No, don't say nothing. I saw no spoilers. I have not been on the grid.
I am looking forward to tomorrow. I'm going to have some pizza rolls. And mozzarella sticks as I enter. uh the dare double viewing zone. You haven't seen any spoilers for season three?
Zero.
Well, actually, then that's a lie. I saw one and it's... I don't even want to say anymore because I don't know how much you know, how much I know. But I s I saw one, but I'm still I'm still feigning ignorance, so it's new to me. But I have a feeling I know how this season ends.
Yeah, same.
Okay. And then next season, Daredevil fights the Shitari in Stark Tower. That's not true. At all. Carlos Ortiz is alongside with us.
It's the national perspective show. We do it on Mondays. Carlos repping his Cubs gear. Usually it's Cubs gear or Giants gear. I throw an occasional Rangers one every so often.
Jake says, Is this a hard hat? Yeah, my flat is very thick. I'm Bart the Builder today. Bart? You know, I could just, I could just, I was wearing a flat brim the other night for WrestleMania.
Very flat. And people. I thought I was a flat-brim guy, and I thought I'd been pulling it off for the last year and a half, but apparently. Not, but you've got a Simpsons Cubs hat. Sure do, man.
It's the, it's the Wonder Bat. That's the.
So is there anything on the other side? Homer? What do those run you? $130? Definitely more than retail, but it's worth every single penny.
Here's like even the inside, it's sexy as AF. Mm. Yeah, I guess that could be something. With his hat. No, I'm a flat-brimmed guy, man.
Just deal with it. I'm a flat-brimmed kind of guy. That's the way. Uh it's gonna be. Myself frozen my engineering.
There you are. I guess I could mention the Cubs. They won 10 in a row. That was pretty cool. How about that for you?
Yeah, and then they ran into the Dodgers.
So they put a kibosh in that. Two straight losses for the Cubs. Wow, they beat him Friday. That's something. Yeah, and it was in exciting fashion, too, on a walk-off.
But Yeah, getting shut out on a Sunday wasn't fun and then getting bludgeoned to death on Saturday wasn't fun, but It's the Dodgers. Nobody else has a chance. It's fine. NL Central is a little more spaced out than when I last talked to you. Everyone's still over 500.
The Reds are eight games over. They're in first. Cubs one game behind. Pirates two back. Cardinals and Brewers are both 14 and 13.
Brewers, um. I think brewers should be happy just to be where they're at. They uh they've had a lot of injuries. We've had a lot of injuries. They scuffled a little bit.
They are still winless in these shitty supper club jerseys. But I'll take 14 and 13 at this point before they head into a series with the Diamondbacks. I was looking into. Tickets to go see the Yankees. The Yankees are coming to town next weekend.
Wow. Mm-hmm. Uh and suddenly Suddenly my kid is a big Yankees fan. What? Oh man.
That's brutal.
Well, he likes, he likes the. He always asks me what my second favorite team is, and I say. I've had a soft spot for the Rays. I don't necessarily like them. They stink.
Then he says, Well, who's your third favorite team? I go, This isn't how it works. It works. Yeah, exactly. I don't I like one team a lot.
Yep. And I hate every other team. That's how it works. He goes, Yes. Oh, I like the Brewers.
The Pirates, because he played for the Pirates. That was his team last year. Divisional rival. Got it. Um, the Padres, because we went to a game a month ago, sure, like, but no.
The Rockies, for some reason. They just killed the Mets. That's funny. And then the Yankees. I go, why do you like the Yankees?
He said. Aaron Judge. All right. I mean, he's a child, and Aaron Judge is a larger than life figure. I can almost give a pass for that.
I won't, but I can understand division. He also really likes Shohei Otani's.
Well, that makes, you know, it's just like Aaron Judge. Those are the two biggest names in sports or in baseball, rather.
So, yeah, no, listen, as a child, that's not Shohei Otani. Shoheio Tawnees. Oh, Tanis. That's what he likes. The pitcher and a hitter and a gambler.
That's what he's saying. Which one's his favorite? That's what he says. Sho Hay Otani. Record Monty Otani is the best one.
Yeah. Get your translator to take the fall. Which is more apparent the further we get away from that. Yes, or no? Yeah.
No, we didn't want to cast dispersions when we were on air. We're not on air anymore. Otani fucking did it. I think so. There's no if, ands, or buts about it.
I mean, we've we pretty much made our opinions known that we think he did it. Mean, not enough to get sued.
Now you can go ahead and just sue me. I got nothing, but uh, eBay is gonna get a. Huge cash payment once he gets out of prison. That guy set up for life. I thought my kid um I'm not going to talk too much about my kid today.
But there are what are you even here for? There are some developments. Um First of all, I thought he was pranking me. Uh during the draft. Cause as much as he's in the sports.
He got insanely into the draft. Like he got into the draft. And he's like, daddy, pick is in. Oh, the Jets now have eight minutes. Oh, who's this guy?
Is he good? He just likes numbers going down. Yeah, I agree. He loves numbers. He's he's now Last night, last night.
So I've got the MLB standings. That I've told you about with the little helmets. Those are not the current MLB standings. Those are now the standings he made up in his head. Just in his head.
The NBA standings on the floor with pennants.
So it's baseball helmets on the TV, the pennants. Are the standings of his NBA 2K franchise that he has on Easy? And is 31 and 2 only because he simmed a couple of games and then lost on accident. And then there's also another standings, which is the NFL standings. Because Last night he was going through the 2025 season.
Looking at the standings week by week and then doing them with the helmets, I told him it was time for bed. He threw all the helmets away, got the pennants back out this morning. And is now He's in the middle of week two. But he's doing it week by week. I think he's doing it.
If they win, they go down. It's his own standings.
So he's obsessed. And then during the draft, he is more obsessed than I am. And then Yesterday He goes to me. Hey, daddy. I want to do a podcast with you.
Wow, that's dangerous. That's Deja. You haven't even said his name.
So people don't know that he actually exists. I don't know if he's ready for that quite yet. He doesn't understand the ramifications and the gravity of the situation. I said, if you want to do a podcast with me. I will have you.
As a guest. it'll be closed circuit you'll be recording to nothing we can send it to non-on papa And we could have them on tape. For you to like use later in your life, but I am not. Putting you on my lap and putting you online. I'm just not doing it.
Yeah. Maybe 20 years ago without You know. It's like giving your little cousin the controller and it's not plugged in and you're playing Street Fighter and he thinks he's playing Street Fighter. That controller. at the other end is connected to nothing, connected to air.
Yeah. That's what you're doing with this podcast. I've talked about this before with kids. It's like... They shouldn't I'm not going to exploit him ever.
Yeah. But if he wants to do it. But he's seven, and he's not even seven. How do I know? Am I holding a six-year-old back?
Yeah. He asked me. I didn't ask to exploit him. You're holding him back from being seven, and seven's the age. I mean, if I had Bard and Son podcast, like.
I I think that's my, that would be my ticket back. I mean Adam Shepter is pretty much doing the same thing with his daughter. Yeah. He's like, when I start to lose relevance to you, Dylan Shepherd will go ahead and just start breaking stories. And then be like, hey, remember my dad?
Let's bring him back in the fold. Yeah, it's like that's a way to reinvent Myself. You know, I can't wait to have a kid. I'm exploiting the shit out of them. Be straight up little Tay, just making videos about Roblox and other crap and holding up stacks of cash in their YouTube thumbnail.
I can't do it. No, no, I wouldn't do it either. You'd be a real scumbag. I hate parents like that. We are brought to you by Happy Place Hemp, promo code BART.
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You're a Giants guy. That's right. The NFL draft has commenced. Looks like everyone's shitting on the Jags. Too many reaches.
Everyone's shitting on the niners. A lot of reasons. They had a bad draft. I thought it was interesting where John Lynch was asked after the first day. about the Rams taking Ty Simpson.
And he goes, Yeah, you know, there's um like consensus, but then you'll have these, like, you'll have these people once in a while go when it's up to quarterbacks. It's crazy. You never know. He traded three first-round picks for Trey Lance. Yep.
He's one of the guys who started.
Now, Trey Lance, I think, was a guy that. Commonly was going to go at some point, but we didn't get a lot of tape on him. He was at North Dakota State in the COVID year. You know, and then he settles for a fourth-round pick. I always.
John Lynch, I do not like John Lynch. There's a lot of people in the NFL I do not like. I do not like John Lynch. He got bailed out with Purdy. Bailed out badly.
He's had some bad drafts. Ricky Pearsall is still another one. Like, how is he still in the league?
Well, I think the m I think the media protects some of these guys, and he was in the media. He was media, that's right. He was in the media. And then the guys that are in the media love to tout their friendships. Jay Glazer is always.
Hyping up, guys. Peter Schrager's hyping up, guys. And that's part of the reason why. Are you guys? Are your hosts still talking to Rossini over the weekend?
It's dying down a little bit, but I think.
So, I've always considered you a little bit of a contrarian, but to an extent, like you make valid points. You're not a contrarian just to be the opposite of everybody. Like, you say what you believe. I think you really would like Lynell Willingham because he's actually, I always have. He's actually the only person that's like really like tooth and nail defending Diana Rossini.
He's like, she didn't do nothing wrong. You know, like I'll do what I got to do for scoopers as well. Like. If you're going to drag Rossini, I don't think I agree with that. I don't necessarily agree with it either, but I understand his logic and thinking because he's like, you know, we're killing Diana Rossini, but we're not killing Jay Glazer for hosting pool parties.
We're not killing Peter Schraeger for going on vacation with like Kyle Shanahan and half the other guys. I am. We should.
So, well, that's his point. Like, if you're going to bring the hammer down for Rossini, bring it down for the rest of these quote-unquote insiders.
So, you know, that's what then that's why I think you would respect that, you know, his opinion on it. I don't defend Rossini at all.
So, that's why I disagree with him. But I agree with the fact that these other insiders shouldn't be given a pass either. Like I know Peter Schraeger. Is good friends with Sean Payton and Sean McVay because he tells us that all the time. I I don't think Um I don't think that that's okay.
Like you could be friends with him But I don't I don't think you need to brag about it. Yeah, I mean, listen, relationships happen in this business. Like, you know, I, I, there are people that like me, I like them. Uh, but, you know, if I got to be put in a situation where I got to, you know, crucify one of them for a decision, I'm going to do that. It's just, it's natural.
You're, you're going to kind of bond with people in your travels there.
So I don't fault any of these people for having relationships. To be honest, I don't even give a shit that Roussini banged Vrabel. I mean, that business is between them, God, and their and their spouses. Like, I think that they're shit, bad human beings for, you know, stepping out of their marriage, but not because of journalistic integrity. I don't really care.
Do I take the Rossini seriously, less seriously? Yeah, probably. But still, you know, I don't necessarily fault him to an extent. That being all said, because I'm just putting a word salad out there. Um You're gonna have relationships with these people.
Like, it's cool to be friends with a head, NFL head coach. That's a flex. But, like you, it shouldn't be forefront out there because then it seems like you're given preferential treatment, even if you're given the veil. of being unbiased, journalistic. Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
I've always thought there was something up with her and Looks like I'm right. Oh, there's a lot of smoke, a lot of smoke coming on, Don. I mean, you know, we had photos that were, you know, resurfacing six years later when Vrabel and Rossini wanted to get caught. Like, how do you just go, you know, canoodle it and a club where she's like. She's like.
What was the best part of your birthday? You know, and then she's like almost biting her lip. Her first son is named Mike. That really bothers me. That honestly, if I'm the that's what got her to delete Twitter, it wasn't any of the other shit she was taking.
Yeah, I mean, it said, literally said Mikey and Joey's mom were like forefront in her bio. I gotta know who Joe's named after. I gotta find out if it's Joe Obvious, if it's Joe Burrow, if it's Joey Swole. There's a Joey somewhere. Internet get on.
Joey Shane. You know what? And there's reports that Josh might get fired this week, which is crazy as shit. Couldn't be joined.
Well, Pat Leonard, so you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt because Pat Leonard has a fucking grind, axe and grind with Joe Shane. Joe Shane, GM of the Giants, who I'm bringing up next anyway. Correct.
Well, apparently, they might do a similar, the Giants might do a similar situation as the Jets did with Mike McCagnan, their former general manager, basically axing him after the draft. Uh but it looks like um they're you know Pat Leonard again He has an axe to grind with Joe Shane for whatever reason. Who's Pat Leonard? Pat Leonard, he does. Oh, fuck it.
It's it's not post. Oh, so he's a reporter that's saying change. New reporter daily news. New York Daily News.
So. Anyway. Pat Palinard's always had it out for Joe Shane, but so he's the one that's reporting that it's very possible Joe Shane's going to get fired this week. They just kind of went through the motions because of the draft, but like this has been John Harbaugh's team. Donna Ponte has been handling the contracts and the negotiating.
Donna Ponte was newly appointed VP of football operations. Because of Donna Ponte? Yeah, she never, that role never existed. We hired her specifically into this role that was newly created about a month and a half ago.
So she's brand new. She negotiated contracts. Joe Shane is literally just there. He's like kind of like a nice thing. No, she got pilfered away.
Donna Ponte is literally, she's the new VP of football operations. She was hired once John Harbaugh became the head coach. Hmm. Interesting dynamic. But yeah, Joe Shane's essentially been a glorified head scout.
So now that the draft is over, they'll be like, you know what? Maybe they just kind of get rid of it. Again, the Jets have already set a precedent by doing this, by firing Mike McCagnan a couple of years ago. I wouldn't be shocked. If it came down by Friday, Joe Shane just Mysteriously is gone from the Giants.
And then it's Harball, interim general manager, until he gets his guy in place, and then Donna Ponte. Why didn't they do this t a month ago? Again, I think they treated him like a glorified scout. They're like, you know, you've had some hits in terms of the draft. Let's go ahead and just kind of keep this information in the building because, you know, if Joe Shane gets fired, like, then if he gets it fired, then he's telling the then he's going to the Bucks or he's going to the Cardinals and be like, hey, like, they're interested in this guy.
So you keep them now that the draft is over. We don't really need you anymore.
Well, let's see. Again, that's just Pat Leonard speculating, and he's the only one that I've heard say that. The Giants Consensusly And the Jets. Good drafts. Had top five drafts.
I saw the. Draft rankings from the Athletic. Jets had a really good draft. I can't. Dolphins were five.
Browns were four. Jets were three. Giants were two, and Raiders were one.
Now, those are also teams that drafted. High atop the draft. And this, these rankings do not factor in that the Packers essentially drafted Micah Parsons at being number 20. I mean, we're forgetting that, you know? Yeah, just like the Jags drafted Travis Hunter this year because they don't have a first round pick.
Well, he's only playing corner, isn't he? Yeah, they gotta figure out a way to Otani him. I mean, that's the poll point you trade up for him. I don't get it. If you're getting two players in one.
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So what did you think of the Giants draft? I thought it was pretty good. Listen, like a lot of Giants fans, I did want Caleb Downs at number 10. I think Arbell Reese falling into five was great. I was a Sonny Styles, Caleb Downs, kind of give me those first two guys, everything else, do what you will.
But when the Jets passed on Reese and went with David Bailey, you saw that there was a real opportunity for Reese to fall down. And Reese. He could be off-ball. He could be on ball, you know, move him to the edge. If you trade Kayvon Thibodeau, you know, there's a lot of different things that you can do with him.
I like his skill set. I think his floor is higher than David Bailey.
So I was happy that the Giants got Reese. But I was a little ticked off initially when, at the 10th overall pick, they went with Francis Mauinoa.
Now, I've since come down from that rage. But I think that rage has really little to do with it. I want a Caleb Downs. And now he's a cowboy. And of course, the very next pick, the Cowboys trade up and get it.
You knew it was going to happen, but. Again, it has nothing really to do with Maui Noah. I'm actually happy with the player now. I've heard some of his pressures. You know, he's got a good vibe.
The trainer that used to work with him in Miami is now actually a trainer for the Giants.
So it looks like the Giants had some inside information in regards to his back. They're like, don't worry about it. It's an asymptomatic herniated disc.
So Maui know it might be a, you know, might not need to get surgery for quite some time on it.
So I am very pleased with what the Giants did. The only thing that I felt like was kind of a bit of a reach. Was getting Malachi Fields in the third round. The Giants didn't have a third-round pick, so they had to trade their fifth and a couple of stuff from next year to go get a big body receiver who was. I don't think it was really on the radars, but they were looking for a guy to be able to catch 50-50 balls, big body guy, like I said.
So, you know, somebody will line up on the outside of Elite Neighbors. That was the only pick that was kind of everything else. I was pretty pleased. I was very pleased about the Giants Giraftons not being me being a homer. I think.
There was a lot to look forward to in all their packs. I think the cornerback that got out of Tennessee, Colton Hood, is going to be a dog.
So. He's got to be anything better than Deontay Banks. But the Giants had a good draft, Jets had a good draft. Listen, the Packers. Again, you trade you drafted Makai Parsons.
Packers had a good draft. Did you call him Mackay Parsons? I did because I had a brain fart. Micah Parsons.
Okay. I don't know. I had Makai act in my head for some reason, Makai Pfeiffer. I had it in my head for some reason. I just saw Paid in Fool a couple of times.
This is my lifer. It's no Makai Pfeiffer. Yeah. I saw Paid in Fool again. A couple of days ago.
If you haven't seen Paid in Full, you need to stop what you're doing. In fact, cancel the stream and just watch it. It's such a hood classic. But yeah, uh That's why I have Makai in my head. Packers did a lot of trading, including at the end.
Packers, this is where their draft excelled. They didn't take a wide receiver. They did lock up Jaden Reid. They've traded a couple of receivers. They went primarily defense.
Did take it to dinner. And then they traded up in the sixth round to get Trey Smack. A kicker out of Florida.
Now the athletic. That's a great name for a kicker, by the way. The Athletic says that's their favorite pick the Packers made. And Brian Gudekinst, RGM. Was asked, how do you scout a kicker?
And he just put his hands up like good. If it's good, the kicker's good. But he's got a kicker. He just goes, good. There's that lacrosse charm.
and wit that we love out of Goody. They need a kicker. Brandon McManus sucks. Yep. And this is a six-round pick.
And a lot of the overall draft conversation was A lot of these guys shouldn't be getting drafted. They're guys that are staying in college. You got a bunch of NIL situations where guys can get three more million dollars before they go get $750K in the pros.
So your back end guys are in college for another year. I've got no qualms with drafting a kicker. I think. I mean, if you're going to do it in the first round, that's a little absurd. Who was the last first-round kicker to get drafted?
I feel like the Raiders did something like that.
Well, they took Janakowski. Yeah, but he wasn't a first-rounder, was he? The Patriots recently took a guy. Um either the second or third and then they like cut 'em. I think the Niners took Jake Moody in the fifth.
Oh, Janakowski was in the first round. Janakowski was a first rounder. And he was a 17th overall pick. Yeah. I mean, right.
They're a big part of the team if you think they can. But it's this is the thing with talent. They account for at least what 35% of your offense is a huge part of the team. This is the thing with Ty Simpson. Quarterback Alabama went to the Rams at 13, which was.
Was a surprise based on These mock drafts, but again. I always say Just like in fantasy football. If your guy is there, you take him. You take them. Yeah.
Although I do feel like the Rams pulled an Aaron Rodgers green base situation. And again, if your guy is there, you take him. Sure. But. If you know your guy is just your guy, and you can't, there's 31 other teams, you never know.
Yeah, who knows if the Cardinals or the Jets would have snagged them with their second pick in the first round? That's on the table as well. But did they try to even trade down and get more capital? Does it matter to them? No clue.
Does it matter? I don't, I felt like if Les Need, because it really, I don't care what Sean McVay walked back in terms of his statements, that initial reaction told you everything. If Les Need feels like, That's going to be my guy once Sean McVay and Matt Stafford are done with this team. Then you take him. You don't play around games and try to get an extra asset or extra pick or whatnot.
He's there at 13. You're like, oh, screw it. I'll just snag him. I'll worry about the repercussions later. But this screams to me.
This pick is going to do one of two things. It's divided in a huge wedge between McVay and Lesnade. One of them is going to be gone at the end of next season. Either Sean McVay is going to retire and go do media, Matt Stafford will probably retire, or Leslie's getting fired. This could be a J.J.
McCarthy, Quessio Dolpho Menza situation all over again, like it was in Minnesota.
So one of these guys will be gone because of this Ty Simpson pick. And when you draft a quarterback that high. When you're a team that's not in need of one initially. You know, I'm glad the Packers have Jordan Love. But could there have been a guy that the Packers drafted there?
Mike. T. Higgins, yeah, could there could there have been a guy that would have helped Aaron Rodgers or helped your defense, and you would have been able to take another crack at the playoffs, you know. That's what you're giving up when you take your when you kind of hedge your bet. And get your future quarterback with your franchise quarterback still there.
Because we're not going to see Ty Simpson at all this year.
So he does not help this veterans on his team. He doesn't help the Rams further their goal. The Rams were a couple plays away from getting into the Super Bowl. Ty Simpson does not get you to the Super Bowl. If anything, you take a step back because you foregoed your best asset.
in terms of helping your team right now.
So I don't know. It's like, you know. You can't play two games with your Rams. And we saw it with Minnesota. We saw it with the Falcons.
They drafted Pennix after they paid Kirk Cousins and they fell apart. Kirk Cousins could have used another year or another weapon. And granted, he's slow. Penix is hurt.
Now they got Tua who start. Yeah. I mean, those when you take the when you misuse your first round pick and take it for a quarterback that you're not ready for or the quarterback themselves is not ready, you wind up compounding that issue. It sets you back a minimum of three years. Usually it's five.
Greg says bad teams draft well until three years later. Yeah, we don't know who's really won the lost draft yet. Jay Lewis says bad teams draft well because they are bad. True. No argument for me.
Corey says in 1966, Charlie Gogalak was drafted sixth overall by the Washington. Football team. I saw what she did there. Yes, well, not listening. He went on to have a 55.9% success rate.
I say 56%. Just say Redskins. Sir. What's their name? I mean, I don't know.
I don't know. There's a lot of tweets that sometimes I like. And I want to retweet.
Okay. But they say a word in them that I can't say.
So I feel like I can't also retweet them. You know what I mean? What? Bro, what are you talking about, man? I'm so glad that that was the drop that was pre-programmed there.
I got some NBA discussions to have with you. Are you watching much of that? Yeah, I watched a little bit of the Association over the weekend. That Lakers Rockets game was a snooze. Also, called that one.
I also have Orlando tonight because if you're going to give me the magic and plus money, I'm going to run away with that. But yes, let's talk some ball. Yeah. Well, Lakers they're toying with the Rockets. I think they're biting time for Reeves to really get healthy and obviously for Luca in the next series.
I'm not saying I have the classic game five theory. Mm-hmm. Where a team that can sweep doesn't so they can get Another game at home. Because the Lakers were the top seed in that one, right? They were the four.
Oh, there's three. That three and six. Yeah. Yeah, so you you lose a game that you don't need to lose. And then they look like a completely different Lakers team.
Other than Marcus Smart, I don't think anybody else is trying. I know there's a lot of people that hate LeBron. And like, I don't know that I... I certainly, certainly don't. like everything he does.
Um Sometimes, like LeBron LeBron He's a corny guy. He's a corny guy. He says a lot of shit I don't like. He's very aware of his public persona. But he also had a, he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a teenager.
Yeah. He's not a normal guy. I mean, he can't be. He's been in the limelight since he was like 12. I think he's the best basketball player of all time.
I think for pure talent, yes. I still believe Jordan's the better player. But I think LeBron is the most talented player of all time.
So then that means LeBron's better.
Well, it's the Brady-Montana Merino argument or Rogers, if you want to say that. I think Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time in terms of winning. But in terms of Your talent. I think Marino cleared all of them, but some people will say Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback they've ever seen.
Some people think Peyton Manning's the best quarterback they've ever seen. um i i jordan to me is the best player i i've ever seen but i can acknowledge that lebron is more talented than jordan I'll bring up our old boss, Spike Eskin, who Tweets about LeBron. Uh And he says, um. LeBron is just a stat-chasing PED user. That's a little harsh.
uh but you know what i don't think i've ever been in seeing with spike more likely than i am right now So Yeah, a lot of Le Rod's accomplishments. He's he's Breaking all these records. Because he keeps playing. Yeah. But he can keep playing.
It's not like he's out there like Eudonis Haslam was at 40. Right. He's not averaging six a game. The guy's averaging 15 to 20 a night. And then to To lob to your teammate, that's who just happens to be your son.
Who you created him. Not an NBA created player. Like you've actually physically created this. This human seed. There's been guys on LeBron's team because he forced.
The team to have those guys. Mm-hmm. But he never created that human life. Based on his own action. And the fact that he was good enough at that age.
To still be like, hey, I want you to have my kid on this team. And the team was like, yes, sir. That's one thing. Yeah. But then to Throw him an alley oop.
It was cool. It was cool. I don't think that can be understated. I also really. I don't think the finals record.
Sorry to do LeBron vs. Jordan today. But I don't think the finals record should be held against July already.
Well, it's relevant, it's happening. I don't think the finals record should be held against him when he took. He'd be better off the shit teams he took to the finals. It'd be better off for his legacy if he never lost to Golden State, if he never took the Cavs there. If he never lost a final, because you'd say he's 4-0 in the finals and Jordan's 6-0.
Yeah. But to literally, I mean, he's dragging. This is Rui Hachimura. This is Luke Kennard. This is his son.
He's got him up 3-1. And then he'll do all the dirty work, and then LeBron and Luke and Reeves will come back, and then they'll have their full team. He can go back to being a third option. You're getting Luca back. Instacart understands that not all bananas are created equal.
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ready whenever you need help. because a great trip starts with the right support. I tell you this, though. If the Lakers get motorboated in the next series or, you know, dare I say the Western Conference finals, I don't think they're making it that far. I think their ceiling is the second round.
It's gonna look bad for Luko and or Reeves. If you come back and you just look like complete shit and the Lakers get dog walked by the Spurs, a Thunder, or whoever. Like if LeBron is destroying the Rockets on his own. And the Lakers lose the next round. I don't want to hear any more LeBron slander.
You're going to hear a lot of noise about Luca and Reeves. I mean, you can't fault them for injury, but people are going to be like, hey, we were better off without you. Yeah, I don't think that'll happen. Don't be surprised, man. Maybe, maybe.
Maybe Windhorse will have an agenda and want to get Luca out of the small-town Los Angeles Lakers. Lakers are the four, by the way. I thought they were the three. They would play with Nuzzle 3. I'm sorry.
Nuggets are three. Nuggets. That's okay. I got to correct you and also just correct myself. The Lakers would play the Thunder.
The league is a thunder problem. No one likes them. They're boring. They're so good, but they are not entertaining to watch. And SGA gets files that don't exist, and that is a problem.
File merchant. I mean, it's as bad as we've ever seen it. I mean, he is. He's what James Harden crawled so SGA can walk. Like SGA is everything James Harden wanted to be and wants basketball to be.
I mean, I, what a tremendous art that he's able to do. but it's just not it's just ugly to look at like what a piece of shit hanging on your wall The Nuggets are down 3-1 to the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves are getting banged up with Dante and Anthony Edwards. I still think they finish out this series. Yeah, I think it's too big of a lead, but they're getting absolutely destroyed next round.
And I don't know why it took so long. But now people are saying Oh, the nuggets have kind of turned into the bucks. They've always been the Bucs. They have a superstar that won a title. Then they fired their coach after they won a title and haven't been able to get back since.
They've always been the Bucs. The difference is Giannis gets shit on. Every step of the way, and Jokic is able to avoid any sort of controversy. Yo Jokic loves basketball. That's my hot take.
And he pretends not to. And all you fools follow him. He loves basketball. Yeah. Look at how fast Jokic wants to get out of here and go train his horses.
You know, oh, Jokic does it. This is just a job to him. You guys are, you guys, he loves it. You guys are falling into his trap. Yeah.
And If you're gonna throw heat on like Jokic's path to the title. Remember they played the fucking Heat? Yeah. Giannis had to take down the Nets. with KD, Kyrie and Harden, and I know those guys got hurt.
The Suns, they were down 02 to Chris Paul and Devin Booker. I d I d I don't like The yokage thing bothers me because People rushed to give him accolades and awards. And then, and then there was the year Embiid got it. I don't know why Embiid even came back. If you're going to be out, just be out, dude.
Don't come back to get smoked by 20. Seriously. What does New York think about the Knicks? Two children. People are breathing a sigh of relief that they were able to win the last game, even up the series, because it was do or die.
If they went down three and one, it's over. You were going to see wholesale changes.
Now, people are still uneasy, but they were able to breathe, like I said, a sigh of relief with that last win. It was a very convincing win, too.
So game five is tonight, I believe.
So this is going to be a big fight feel here in New York. I don't give a shit about either team. I root for chaos because I think if the Knicks lose, Mike Brown's going to be one and done. Uranus ability that Anovin is the next coach to mix. Carl Anthony Towns will be on his way out.
Mikkel Bridges will be sunk in cost. He'll be on his way out. uh the the noise around jalen brunce about how long can he be your alpha I think that chatter has already started. You know, so maybe they'll be able to be approached changing approach of philosophy.
Well, they'll bring in another guy. like a yan is To be your number one and have your Brunson be your number two. But that's a conversation you can hold up until the Knicks get eliminated. This team is very flawed, so I think there's a lot of concern, but. Um You know, we'll just kind of wait and see what happens.
I think if Atlanta wins tonight, they win the series.
So it's still important. You know, even up the series, it's important. But Yeah, they they gotta take care of business tonight too in order to get their fan base off of veg. That game's tomorrow, but. Whatever.
I wasn't going to correct you, but then you said tonight three times in 10 seconds. I thought I said tonight once, but. You get the point. Everything I say, you could just carry it over to tomorrow. There's no difference.
Nothing's going to change.
Well, then I figure. The magic pistons game is tonight. That much I am aware of. Then I, yeah, when do people listen? Whatever, it doesn't matter.
I do want to participate. In the streaming discourse. I've usually usually I've been like What's the big deal?
So, in NFL playoff games on Peacock. Just buy it. It's $6 a month. It was so easy to find yesterday. I'm having an issue though.
My attitude hasn't changed.
Okay. Like if they're gonna be on streamers. Peacock is great value. Yeah, you get the office parks and rec Traders Never seen it. Prime, everyone's got Prime because of Amazon Prime.
Yeah, listen, if I need a bottle brush cleaner, I'll have it tomorrow. And oh, wait, there's an NBA game on?
Okay, okay, great. I can watch the Cavs and Raptors, the series that everyone forgot. My issue is during the draft, like Thursday and Friday night. I did not watch any NBA action. Because I couldn't flip from draft to NBA.
Yeah. You have to like exit one app, go into another one. Like, you know, like if I'm watching the draft. Through the ESPN app, you know, I'm not gonna go ahead and close that one out to go open a prime or anything like that. Like, it's inconvenient.
I don't know if that's part of the human spirit. And our ingenuity? But I bitch about this, and then someone will say. You don't even need to pay. There's tons of There's tons of like...
What am I thinking of? Like three measts, but like where like you can bootleg or pirate. Yeah, pirate. That's not my mind.
Well, why don't you just put a second T V in your I'm not going to fucking Buy and mount another TV. It's not a viable option, especially if your TV is like mine, where it's like 80 inches. What am I going to do? Buy a secondary 20-inch one to like put in the corner? Not do it.
Well, throw it up on your second screen, your computer. I want to be able to press previous on my remote. Yeah. I don't want to have to press. Home.
Duh duh duh duh. Duh duh duh. Takes I know to get into a to change the channel. I know. that we are living lives.
Just middle class Even low middle class lives. We are living lives. that are more luxurious Than what the Roman emperors used to live. We can go anywhere we want at any time. If I want to go see you, I could be there tonight.
Probably. If I wanted to go to Spain, I could be there by Friday. Yeah, easily. Un Fathomable technologies at our fingertips. As long as you can afford it.
So I understand. The First world problem that this is. But I still don't mean that that doesn't mean I have to like it. You watch it on your phone, old man. As Robert James 3758 says.
Yeah, I just want to press pref. I used to press pref. Like, if you have, again, I keep going to the 80-inch TV. I want to use it. Why do I have to pull it up on a my a a second stream on a 12 inch phone.
Because it defeats the purpose of having a big ass T V in the first place. I bring it up too because I think there are a lot of people like me that are like, ah, fuck. I got to do that shit. Yeah. It's not worth it.
And then they don't want to do it, so then they don't do it. I have to take this. All right, I was going to sign off anyway.
So see ya. All right, love you. Bye.
Alright. Carlos Ortiz. has a phone call to take. Mm. You can turn your video off, or can I watch you talk?
All right, there goes. Uh, the video good to talk to Carlos here on this Monday. We've got later in the week, we'll come up with some other stuff as well. But on Mondays, we do catch up with Carlos Ortiz. To talk about things from a national perspective, as we used to do on the Infinity Sports Network.
I'm glad the Brewers got a win. Just, you know, keeping things into the Winkler verse, into the Wisco verse. I'm glad the Brewers got a win, obviously. Um they got the diamondbacks coming up this weekend. They need to get healthy.
Kyle Harrison, what a performance that was. Caleb, we miss you. We miss Caleb Durbin. There's going to be a lot of don't trade with the brewers kind of conversations to be had, and that should be, those should be had. David Stearns is struggling with the Mets.
The Phillies are struggling. In the NLE.
So interesting who's where in the standings right now. It's very early. We're not even at the end of the first month. Technically, we're a month in. Season started on Netflix a month ago.
But I wouldn't 14 and 13, 13 and 14, even, you know, 7 and 19. Although if you're one of these teams, you do have to start winning at some point. Yeah. You have a lot of time, but wins have to come more than the losses. I think the Brewers are fine.
I'll be interested to see if the Reds can keep this up. But right now, I've got no reason. Again, somebody asked me, do you think the Reds and Pirates are real? Pirates seem to do this every year. Reds, I mean, Reds, I think, are good.
They were in the playoffs last year. I think they're good. But we'll see how good they are as things materialize. But I've got no reason right now to look at any team in the NL Central and say that's a fluke. The only really fluke thing would be the Brewers probably should be better because they've got guys that are hurt.
Yelich is out. Churio is out. They need these guys to come back. They need offense. They need to remember.
How to hit home runs. Uh this is live Winklerverse. Ball? Hello, Paul. This is life for the time being.
So happy with the Brewers. Packers overall draft. Again, you gave the sports radio caller some red meat with a kicker, but you need a kicker, and this guy looks good.
So, if you're going to draft it, it's a six-round, too. I don't think. We shouldn't have drafted a kicker. Like If it's the fourth round. Sure.
But the Packers, Goody was done with drafting. He knew who he wanted later. They signed the street-free agents. He said beforehand, uh I've got 75 guys on the roster. We're drafting guys and bringing in free agents.
We're already a little full. I'm good. They need a kicker, bring in a kicker. They were going to get one undrafted anyway. We're all anti-McManus.
Right, he sucked. At the end.
So they need a kicker. There's really not a big difference. Between taking a guy when there's 50 more spots available. And just waiting, because at least you get your guy. You've scouted a kicker.
You plan to sign a kicker. Anyway. And your best guy was available when you. Had resources to move up and get him. Get him.
It's the same philosophy, a little different again with the Rams, 13 overall. They don't need a quarterback. You probably could have waited. But if you want a guy, get your guy. I mean, it's better to come out of the draft happy with what you got than regret who you didn't get.
and you're going to be more regretful. Oh, could we have traded for a pick rather than I really wanted that guy? Rams, that's going to have to work though. Like Jordan Love. Jordan Love I'm glad we have Jordan Love and the Packers have a guy after.
But was that the best pick at the time? I said when it happened. Rogers needs to win a Super Bowl and Love needs to win a Super Bowl. 'Cause you took away your chance to win a Super Bowl now. I don't know.
I don't know if love needs to play eight years or 12 years or be an all-pro bowler or whatever. I can't definitively say that was the right pick yet, even though love has taken over for Rodgers. Because what did we miss out on? Was the return better than, like, was this a better path than the other path could have been? We don't know.
But we don't know. And if Jordi Love wins the Super Bowl, then we'll know a little bit more. But the Rams have that to deal with now. And he was the 13th pick, and that was higher. And Ty Simpson was not.
Spoken of even as well as Jordan Love was. Jordan Love was going to be a first-round pick. Packers just happened to Trade up for him. Badgers did not have a guy drafted. A lot of people are mad about that.
I mean, I'm not surprised, so I don't give a shit. They sucked. I just feel like people are like, wait a minute, the Badgers sucked. They didn't have a guy drafted. Yeah.
The Badgers did suck. We knew that already. Because of when they played and when they sucked. I don't know why everyone's having a Eureka moment. Yeah, right now.
Admiral season came to an end. Sad. Wave could win a championship tonight. Good luck. Milwaukee Pro Soccer, never heard of her.
So I don't know. Thanks for stopping into the Winklerverse. Thanks for Carlos to come on by. He'll join us every Monday again tomorrow. Have a great day.
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