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Soft and strong, simple. Yeah Afternoon. Everybody. Welcome into the Winkler Verse. Water bottle connoisseur grant bills.
Is here. Pocket protector Paul Imig. Is here. Triple P. is our weekly uh edition.
Of and this is into the Winkler verse, and we have had a busy week so far this week. A Bucks post on Sunday. The live show on Monday, another Bucks post on Monday. We're having this show. I plan to have a Bucks show with a guest on Wednesday afternoon, and then possibly.
Yannis? No, I think I just agree. Clay Thompson here. Yeah. A Clay Townsend.
And then a Bucks post tomorrow after the Hawks game. Jeez. And then I don't know that I'm going to do one the rest of the week. Ah. Probably Thursday.
Friday's a little sketch. We got an electrician coming and they have to unplug everything. And I could go on my phone, but. Yada yada. We'll see about that.
What's inside baseball? No, I I think bad Bad Wi-Fi and bad internet is a hallmark of Winkler vs. 1.0. That's true. We're trying not to have that here in 2.0.
And I will say, um, Some interesting news from the job front. Is that I'm at the point now where no one's even asking me if I'm applying to anything. And then they just figured, whatever it is I'm doing, I'm doing. I also. I've been somebody who's been a big proponent.
of the third space. I talk a lot about how we need our third space. You have house, you have work. You need another third space, whether it's the coffee shop or the bar or a restaurant. Malls used to be a great third space.
For a lot of people, they are going away. I was surprised. When my wife sent me something about the need for third spaces. And I'm like, okay, clearly you don't listen to my pod, honey. If your wife had a pod, would you listen every day?
I would not. No, no, no, no. It depends the content. I would fucking... No.
Not listen. If I had a significant other that listened to anything I created. I'd stop. I know. And so then I was like, honey, right now I need a fucking second space.
Okay. Cause all I'm doing is. Being in the home, but that's when I realized in the Winkleverse. That's when I realized I do have a job. I am a stay-at-home dad.
Mm-hmm. And I am the most important job you can have. I agree. Yesterday. I did some house stuff.
And then I did the pod with Carlos. And then I jumped on with David Shepard for Sears XM NBA. And then it was time to pick up my kid.
So, productive day. Then I pick up my kid. We're at the park. We go to the library. He sees a friend at the library.
The friend comes over. He's got swimming. From 3:30 to 8:30, I'm running around. I'm essentially his butler. Which means that the people.
that I talk to when the kids are in the playground after school. They are basically my coworkers right now. I talk to them. It's fine. I don't have really any of their numbers.
We never see each other outside of the playground. Better that way. I enjoy their company. Yeah. But we're not just like co-workers.
Your network is your net worth. And these days, you sound like a very rich man, Bart. Wow. Oh, yeah. Like, you're not on LinkedIn 24 goddamn seven, Paul.
Like, are you telling me you're not on LinkedIn? You're not on LinkedIn? I mean, I'm on it, like, but I'm not. I'll be connected. Probably not.
I don't really use it. I sent a lot of there's not enough like Conspiracy theory content there, so I go elsewhere. I sent a lot of requests out on LinkedIn recently. Um Just like No, just anybody I knew. Or anybody I've heard of.
Have you heard it? Yeah. You could say desperation. You could. We won't, but you could.
I'm not sure I got anybody at ESPN Milwaukee to. Press connect with me. I linked in request top of the food chain. Lot of empty Empty request. But Andrew Perloff did accept my request this morning.
Nice.
So I feel like I'm going places now. Mm-hmm. Perly. Take it away, my friend. Mm-hmm.
Mm-mm. Busy week. Lots to get to. We have a box of Packers. in a pop culture.
Just the way you'd want it. Nothing on Brandon Woodruff? Nothing this week. Not after Grant shit on all my my topic about it. Um No?
You're like, there's Grant. I'll paraphrase you. Paul, there's good hypotheticals, and then there's this shit. Oh, well, you asked about Brandon Woodruff pitching in the postseason. I mean, I'm not Dr.
He's not going to be ready for opening day, is what I just read. Correct. You want Packers or Brewers before we get into pop culture? What about Bucks? I thought you had a Bucks.
Sorry, I meant you got me on the Woodruff train. Packers or Bucks? I'm fresh on Bucks because all I've been talking about this week. Let's do Packers. Yeah.
Tom Silverstein wrote this morning. I'm gonna read you a few excerpts. And then I'm going to ask you a question. Have you guys read it yet in its entirety? I have.
I don't read. And I plan to use it for content on my own show later this evening as well. As well.
Well, let's see if this tees well. These are some excerpts. It's a fun word to say if you really want to hit the phonetics correctly. Does Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur have a problem he must address inside twelve sixty five Lombardiev, or is the B minus grade he received as head coach and the C grade for offensive coordinator Adam Stenovich just a reaction to some of the craters the team experienced in twenty twenty five? Later, he says, but it is a red flag that LeFleur's favorability rating dropped from an A minus in 2024 to a B minus in 2025.
It was curious that Pesacho's departure was announced the day after Las Vegas filled the last open position with the hiring of Rich D. Camillus, and it led to some special teams coaches speculating he was trying to stick it to LaFleur by waiting so long to make his decision. Visacea left about $2 million on the table, which is what he would have earned this season if he stuck around. He will not get that much at Clemson, but he won't have the same hours either. Though Basace's decision was for personal reasons, the perception coming out of the combine was that there was a problem, and LeFleur might have to deal with that.
I will end the Tom Silverstein. Excerpts there and ask you back to the beginning. Where he asked, Does Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFour have a problem he must address inside 1260 Lombardi Avenue? And I will say to you. Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur has a problem he must address inside 1265 Lombardi Avenue.
Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. Yeah. Grant? Uh mm-hmm.
I would ask you, can I answer your question with another question, Paul? Or Did Adrian Griffin have something he needed to address when Terry Stotz? You know, sprinted out of there with two sets. That's what this reminds me of. Yeah, okay.
Apples and oranges. But like, I don't think the Bucks, I don't think the Bucks fell apart because Terry Stotts wasn't there. No. But I think his departure was a sign that something wasn't quite right. I don't think the Packers will be made or broken by.
Rich Basacci's acumen. Uh, I don't think they will act, but what's going on in that building that leads him to leave two million dollars on the table? I know. It's cold in Green Bay. He works a lot.
His family, I know these things. It's $2 million, though. You don't typically see coaches walk away from. He's very highly compensated.
So, yes. And I also have to tip my cap to Tom Silverstein. Because what an excellent column. The opinions and the thought processes of which you normally only hear on sports talk radio. I couldn't believe how many people were sharing this story today and saying, This is why we love Spoon.
He gives it to us straight. This is why we love Tom. This is just no BS, no slant. It's like, this is the kind of shit I say on the radio every day. And this is the, like, this is what people, oh, you're, you're, you're, you're digging for something.
Oh, you're trying to make a story where one is there.
So I'm happy that this story has been. Accepted so positive by Packers fans because I love it. And I want columnists, I want writers to be able to go for stuff like this without the entire fan base losing its mind. Mm-hmm. Overnight.
So you're mentioning like the weather and his family. Is that what people are saying?
Well, that's just.
Well, he didn't want to work so much. Maybe he didn't like the cold weather in Green Bay. He's from the south. He doesn't want to work like. Reasons why you'd walk away from a job with $2 million on the table.
I mean, I would say this, even for. uh Tom Silverstein to With reporting baked in, still, nevertheless, somewhat speculating. Yeah. You know, the possibility of sticking it to LaFleur being a reason. Let me just tell you, that's not.
On accident, that's not like a, yeah, I probably shouldn't have included that. Like, that is. That is a thought-out thing you do when you are on a beat. and have to make a decision. Like whether or not to go there.
That's cash. Right. Like there's something there when someone of his, of Tom's veteran status on the beat. Decides that that is worth including. That is.
Very valuable.
So, Bart. Not going to be too surprised by the answer you likely give, but back to you. Packers head coach Matt LaFleur has a problem he must address inside 1265 Lombardy Avenue. Yeah, and I think with Tom, what does that mean?
Well, no, I didn't answer the question yet.
Okay, sorry. Do we have to go over the fucking rules again of this game show? My bad, my bad. Which, by the way, Grant is currently leading 85 to 72. Tony Reali chiming in.
All right. Just assigning random fucking number. I never understood how that game worked. Not a day in my life, but it worked. He didn't understand.
That was part of the charm, right? Take time. Go ahead. It's like Harry Potter. Yeah.
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That, Madello, is the mark of a fighter. Drink responsibly, beer imported by Crowland Port, Chicago, Illinois. Like Not that Grant, when you're talking, you know, it's in the podcast, whatever, but. I think it's a good idea. There's a lot of um By the way, I've been saying the phrase I feel like a lot.
I've noticed it in my personal life, in my podcast life. And every time I say it, I'm going to fucking. I'm going to pinch my nards as hard as I can. I'm so tired of me hear hearing me say it. Anyway, that's better.
I feel as if The Writers, like for Tom, for me to be on radio, and if I were to say stuff, it'd be like, who knows? Maybe this, maybe this, maybe this. You're just throwing, you're just spitballing, you're having, you are thinking of things. You're storytelling, first and foremost. People forget that.
We're not really radio hosts or podcasts, we're storytellers.
Well, and your commentary then didn't go through an editorial process. There weren't additional reviewers. It was. you know, for most radio people who don't have pre-scripted You know, thoughts, right? That's, you know, it's off the top of your head.
I mean, you're not scripted.
So, yes, there's a big difference there.
So there's a difference between like me. Like with my buddies outside. you know, pontificating in the sky like Oh look dude, those are chemtrails man. And then like somebody writing in print. It's possible to wonder if those are chemtrails.
It's different. It is different. It's different. So if he's saying. Did he, you know, want to stick it to LaFleur?
I'm reading that as. He wanted his ticket to the Levant. He wanted his ticket to LaFleur. I I can't say it, so I'll pontificate it. Right.
If you want to read between the lines, if you're smart enough to do that, which I'm guessing you're not. Then I'm going to put it in there. Or at the very least, he knows that it was bad or there was enough friction where something like that is at least on the board, which is, which is all, which is, by the way, all I fucking need. Like, you just get me, lead the horse halfway to the water. I'll get the rest of the way.
It's fine. So, with the news of, like, let's say there's the prospect of Basacea, let's say Basacea for sure. said had it had intention of screwing over Matt LaFleur. Let's say that is fact. If it's reported.
Packer fans still may not accept it. Sure. There are a lot of Packer fans. who want to like You know when I watch too much news? And people say, just compartmentalize.
The Packer fans do that with the Packers. Like, I want to live my life enjoying the Packers as a thing that's there for me that only does good. I'm aware there could be bad things if I look harder, but I don't want to.
So immediately. They're going to rush to find reasons where this is plausible. Where it's not a negative thing, like, oh, Basatio wanted to do whatever, and he wasn't that good anyway. And it's just a special teams coordinator. I saw that one.
Oh, it's just. With this fucking team.
So I think that that is something at play. I talked about this last night. Um when I was delirious doing a podcast. About the box. Losing.
And as soon as I saw Jalen Brown was out last night. Celtics are going to win. Knew that. Yeah. But so I was trying to figure out like the difference between Doc Rivers.
Uh And Matt LaFleur. Because there are fans. that want them fired. The difference with Doc Rivers. is There's no oxygen to start the fire.
For the Packers. I want Matt LaFleur fired, as do a lot of other people. But there's going to be pushback to that.
So the conversation is going to get louder to the extent where reporters might have to actually ask the people in charge. Plus, you know, there's the decision and stuff. But it is getting created because there are two sides of an issue. Yeah. With Doc Rivers.
We're trying to start a match underwater, essentially. Yeah. Because there is nothing that is inflaming this.
So people are just like, fire dock. No one's fighting back. If people were to fight back, then it would get louder. And the reason that there's no one fighting back is because if you are a Bucks fan, You're not a casual. You might like the box.
and go to a game and watch them and like You might watch a couple of g you might be like they're your favorite team or whatever. But you're not Bucks fans are more invested and engaged. Packer fans. There might be a whole bunch of Packer fans more engaged than any Bucs fan ever. But the You know, what's that?
The the chart? Yeah, spectrum, it's wider. Yeah, there's just a lot more people in that community. Oh, what's the fucking thing? What is wrong with that?
I thought that was as well as a This is the one of my friends last week text me. Grant seems like he's fed up with you. No, no, no, no. I'm trying to think of what there's a word that I'm trying to think of. Your take is great.
There's a graph, there's a data term. I was thinking of spectrum. You're not thinking of Grant. You're not like Venn diagram. You're not like.
Oh, it's not. You're not thinking of. Dispersion, but that's not it. Lexicon. dissertation Osmosis.
Whatever, just move on, regardless. Grant is tired of you. Grant is tired of you, regardless of what no, no, I'm not. I'm tired of some. We all get tired of each other and some takes here and there.
That's just. What happens? I actually really like Feisty Grand. I enjoy being called out by Grant. Mm-hmm.
But it's it is strangely, right? It is like fetishly. Yeah. Yeah. But part of the difference is right, like when someone, some person you don't know online is like, you're just, you just suck, man.
That's different than if Grant or I are like. who you know and trust and who like you are like, that's stupid. Then you're like, oh, that's different. Like, it's totally different. Yeah.
Yeah, like I have this little thing on my eye That's all I want to talk about. What just distribution was the word I was thinking about? The way that things are distributed over a set.
Well, that's what I was looking for. That wasn't somebody's computer. Mine, I'm trying to fix it. I'm sorry. I'm trying to fix it.
He's really tired of you. He's really wound up.
So no, Bart, I've enjoyed everything you've said so far, but you're rounding to the point of Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur has a problem with Melissa dressed inside 1265 Liberty Avenue, which you've not yet answered because everything you've not mmm or yet because you've had I think he's got a massive problem. Yeah. I don't think he has that team in that locker room, and I know you want to. Point to saying Micah Parsons, you know, said this, whatever. Yeah, go around and ask employees what they think about their boss.
The highest paid employees, no less. And then ask them, and then ask, like, I just. I I gave it. It matters when it's anonymous. It just does.
Just does. The message is stale, but the Packers, the organization. Here's what I'm thinking if I'm a player. I'm playing for an organization that is happy. With the product we're delivering.
So we're delivering a good enough product to give a go at this thing. But they are not showing any desire to want more. Are you reading right now or are you the s are you taking? Honestly can't tell.
Well, I was watching your eyes and I couldn't tell if you were reading something. Oh no, I never read.
Okay. I never read I never read. Except Twitter all day. I wonder how I can get more credit for... I give great monologues that I don't write down.
Mm-hmm. But there What what what am I supposed to do with that skill? Clip them for online usage. Post a national show for two years. I don't know.
Yeah. I was just about to post another reel I did because I was talking with Bill Ryder last week. Yeah, it was good. And I was talking about how I'm falling and I need people to cushion me.
So I was I I when I signed off I was I wanted to be cushioned by the listeners and not reach out a hand if nobody's going to. And I was going to post, and I go. Yeah, I feel like I've clipped enough of me explaining my fucking job. I'll just keep that one in the fucking trash can. But I actually I'll even say that to what Grant was saying.
in his initial response. Yeah. which was like when Grant says it, or a radio person says it, it's somewhat like a throwaway. It's gone. It was a spur of the moment that was expressed.
Whereas when it's written down, I will say when something gets clipped. And then, especially if it gets picked up enough that it hits a certain point of 20,000 or 30,000, you know, people have now seen it.
Now I think that then crosses over into like. Oh, like for some reason that validates it. But it's also, we can, you know, I don't go in this locker room. We can say shit and pontificate, third-time drink. That is the word of the day.
There's more at stake for Silverstein writing. Yeah, and he's in there every day, and he's, you know, built that level of aura. Sure. Does he have aura? Which Packer writer has the most aura?
Fuck. There's so many. Matt thinks he's got aura. That's for goddamn sure. The coach?
Pete motherfucking Dortmund. I'm with you, Paul. I think Doherty might have the most aura. All I could think about when I was at the Combine in Indy last week, walking around Lucas Oil, was the time Mark Daniels almost got pitchforked and torched by Packer's Twitter for asking Matt LaFleur, how do you live with MVS? Remember that?
And all of Packer's Twitter was like, how? Dare he. Like, he like everyone wanted him out of town. I, that was so ridiculous to me. The um Last point on this thing.
If I had never gotten clipped, Grant. No one would have cared or known. If it's not clipped, it doesn't count. You are right. Don't you fucking clip this?
Yeah. Don't you clip the shit? Tim. I'm Rob Domovsky. Yeah.
Oh, Tim came back into the Winklerverse late last night. Yeah, I only saw the thumbnail so far. I caught that. Was he in the thumbnail? He was in the thumbnail.
He was. He always frames himself so well. He's in the thumbnail. I got to change that. He was on for like three minutes at the end.
You were wondering why the numbers were down. I was. Fucking Tim. Fucking dumb. All right, you're gonna say that.
So, what happens? Here's what I have a question for. Obviously, if Matt LaFleur. It's dog shit. Or no, obviously if Matt LaFleur and them if they win the Super Bowl, I got to talk my way out of that paper bag.
You know what, though? I don't even agree. It will excuse everything, but again, process.
Okay, so. Is related to results, but it's not like a direct court. Like we have great, the Miami Dolphins, for example. A plus the best ratings in that player survey every year. And yet stink, right?
Yeah. They hired the Jeff Hafley haircut. And by the way, I think let go of a better coach than Hafley. In doing so. But I guess my point is, Martin, like the Packers, I will couch everything I say too.
It's like the Packers can absolutely be. you know, the the Super Bowl champions this upcoming season. Could be. Having said that. Their current Structure And managerial process to me.
is extremely Concerning and bad. And I think both things can be true. The talent that's been acquired. can be so Positive. And so good That it can override that the process of behind the scenes is really flawed.
Right. And like, even to reference one of your episodes from last week with Bukowski, who was talking about luck and the role that almost like the annoying amount of. Um Like I said, the annoying amount of Value, weight. that luck has in winning a Super Bowl.
Okay, so let's, and I agree. Let's, and mostly that comes down to injuries. But so the Packers can win the Super Bowl. 100%. I think they should be.
If you say you can only pick eight teams right now to win this upcoming year's Super Bowl. I think 90% of NFL fans are going to put Packers in the eight. I think. Right, you get eight. Every NFL fan who really follows the league, you get eight.
Packers are going to be in 90%, I think, of those people's eight teams that they can pick. But the Okay. This all coming out, and Grant, I got to hear you on the Wisco Sports show learn this in real time in your interview with Nagler, where he mentioned. that this survey was taken before the five-game losing streak to end the season. How much worse is this grade?
And all of this other noise, if that didn't happen.
So, really, in the past. Three months of Packers football. They've had a five-game losing streak. A 21 to 3 playoff. situation To their rival, and the coach got handshake mogged by Ben Johnson.
That happened too, and then bullied on his media tour ever since. Those details matter, which then didn't at all preclude him and the GM from getting massive extensions. Which then You find out that the players have turned Matlaff Fleur into a bottom five. NFL head coach. while totally dumping on the offensive coordinator.
Well, it's saying that a bunch of other things behind the scenes have really fallen behind, which led me to text you guys a week ago something about like, Mark Murphy was the person holding this whole ship together. Or and it's like. Small sample size, Ed Policy is still new in the role. There's plenty of time for him to carve out his, whatever he wants this to look like. But right now, it sure looks like a guy who gave a ton of money.
To two people, I like Gudekinst. He's far from flawless. I know there are people who really don't like the way he's done things. I think he's deserving of another go-around. LeFleur, on the other hand, um you know, obviously like this Trio mostly agrees.
Bart and I, a little bit more harshly than Grant, but Right now, I see a structure that I'm like, man, like you. If I was an outside team, and I know Bart put this in the context of, how would you say this if you watch the Bears do this, you would dump all over the Bears. It's because it's not a normal thing.
So anytime something happens that's not normal, you question like what happened there. But a lot of us around here are just like, no, it's we're always going to benefit of the doubt with a team that I don't think has deserved it. The Packers gave a massive contract extension. To a guy whose own players assigned him one of the bottom five coaches in the league, a grade that was prior to the five-game losing streak and the 21-3 situation in the playoffs.
Now you find out that it's at least speculatively on the table that the special teams coordinator not just quit. But did so and waited. As a fuck you moment to that head coach. The process here is really bad. Like really, really bad.
There's nothing that you can look at and say. I like what's happening behind the scenes. I'm encouraged by what's happening behind the scenes. I know there are people who will just defend Packers no matter what. I get that, and I understand the.
You know, the mentality and the psychology behind that being how some people go through life. I don't understand that.
Well, I don't either. But like, I will, I know people exist that do that.
So. That's all fine. But the process here and everything that's happening. You don't need Bart to yell at you about it. Like the the players the players are telling you.
There's a problem, like Dirt Spoon is telling me that Rich Bersace is telling me there's a problem, right?
So it's so. But I wish Rich would say more. I mean, let's give it an interview here. And maybe he will. In the NFL again, if he's 65, going to Clemson.
Before Tom's article, came out. I had a similar topic teed up about between the player report cards. And Visacea leaving the team after the main hiring swing had only ended. For this being a random week in the NFL offseason, it's the perfect week for those who think the Packers are poorly managed right now to say, I told you so. Or like this was kind of, I was gonna tee it up anyway.
And then this additional reporting just put more on that.
So we can say more if you want, but like, man, I. I just, I can't wrap my head around the idea that someone could say. No, I'm actually not concerned at all about the way the Packers are being operationally managed right now. I'd have to say to your question anyway. I don't think this is a good time for a victory lap.
I don't think that. I don't think that there's ever a good time for a victory lap. Yeah, I so remember when I like I don't know if you guys ever heard this. I put parade chairs out when the Bucks were down 0-2. Mm-mm.
But that was something that everybody celebrated, and then it happened, and then it's like, good job, Bart. Mm-hmm. So here I am shitting all over Mat LaFleur. That if he wins a Super Bowl, I'm going to have to fucking eat it on my knees face first. See, this is where I disagree.
I still think. I still don't think there's.
Okay, well forget about that. If he doesn't. And he crashes out. Oh, yeah. I can't take a victory lap.
Why? Nobody likes to hear. I'm not saying they like to hear. You're going to say they were right. I'm saying, okay, well, then the best case scenario would be then that others do it for you.
But still, it's just, it's not as. May I compliment you and point out something on your podcast from last week you had Bukowski on? And Bukowski said, Bart, here's what I'll give you: if Matt LaFleur crashes out and the Packers crash out in the playoffs for the next two years, then I'll agree with you they should fire LaFleur. And you're like, But I don't want to crash out in the playoffs for the next two years. Like, I want to light the next two years.
Man, we said that two years ago. Correct. I said last year after the playoffs. Fine. This is what it was.
Okay. You got to do it now this year. because of the extension or whatever, third year of love. And people are like, where I was a year ago. And I don't understand why.
I know change is hard, but who are you going to hire? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I would not put the Packers in one of those eight teams because I do not feel they will ever win a Super Bowl with Matt LaFleur. And if you want to argue me on that, that's all, that's fine. But here's the scenario I will lay out for you.
John? I'll give you even that they get the buy. They get to buy. Number one seed, great regular season coach with Rodgers. They get the buy.
You think Matt LaFleur can go up to the plate? And hit a home run in three straight-at bats. Because I don't. The only scenario in which it doesn't matter that he does or doesn't do that is if he's not at the plate to do it because the talent is such that. They do it.
They do the job for him, right? The hitters before him in the lineup. All homered. And so him coming up fourth in the order with the base. When was the last time a dog shit coach won?
I saw I don't Two years ago, Nick Siriana.
Okay, actually, that's a great less than two years ago, a year and two months, a calendar year and two months ago. I think he talked shit. I see, I think you misinterpreted how I asked it. I meant. When was the last time that a dog should coach?
Once it's possible, I know, but I just don't remember. But also, like, you're saying, like, well, part of it is the players are going to need to go out and win it for him. But if they do that, that's a product of his coaching. You know what I mean? Like, that means he'll have them locked in.
He'll have them, he'll have everyone rowing the same way. I think that's his purview, too. I'm not saying there would be no credit to be given. I'm saying Bad coaches. Siriani.
And others. you can win your respective leagues championship. If your talent is such that A, they're healthy. To Bukowski's point and the amount of luck and the value and the weight that that holds. Yeah, you talked about the training staff in that report, too.
That's not something that we've discussed. I just, Matt LaFleur has not earned this. From Packer fans. He's not earned what he's getting. I don't understand it.
I think you are disillusioned by the loud minority that's screaming you at you on the internet. I think a lot of Packers mostly agree with what you're saying. And I think the most ridiculous part of that hypothetical, Paul, is that they'd have the buy. I think the number one thing that's preventing this team from making a deep playoff run is they're incapable of winning more than nine games.
So then you got to win four games in a row to win the series. On the road. On the road, most likely. There's no fucking chance. There's no fucking chance.
Unless. Luck has struck. And don't say, don't say, well, then that's a Jordan Love problem. Because he had two MVP seasons of Aaron Rodgers. Here's the only here's the only thing.
Could you give any you gave fucking Matt LaFleur two MVP seasons of Aaron Rodgers? MVP. Who many of you think is the greatest quarterback of all time? Bart, here's going to be the problem that you're going to, and I'm sure. He made a one-score game, a one-score game with MVP Aaron Rodgers.
I rest my fucking dick. I heard about that on Jeopardy. Um If anybody remembers that. Good callback. The thing you're going to struggle with, and me.
but especially you, is no matter how poorly The Packers do if like if the season is just like Everyone's healthy and they go 4 and 13. The the way the Packers are structured, unlike Mini teams, especially like the super rich teams, and like we'll just use the Cowboys and Hazamba. Matt LeFleur is the coach in 2027. There's no like he was just the Packers aren't going to be the team. to throw away $45 million for a coach not to coach.
That's just, that's so Matt LaFleur is not coached for at least two, probably at least three years, no matter how horrendously it could potentially go, which I don't think it will, by the way. I think talent in many sports can override, at least to a certain degree, they're not going to go 4 and 13. They are too talented to speak. They're going to go 9 and 8. That's what they're going to do prop up.
So they're the Steelers then. And LaFleur will be here. They have good players, unlike the Steelers. LaFleur will be here for 18 years and one day just have to walk away because his organization won't fire him and they'll just keep extending him. And he'll say, for real?
Like, you're still going to keep me here? Like, I guess I'm going to have to quit. But so my point is, like, yeah, I think we should embrace weed, broadly, needs to embrace. He's the coach for two to three years, regardless. At this point.
And, you know. I don't know. But either way, I'm very concerned. You know, and The thing that Put a pin in this one. Let's do that, but she can actually transition it to the bucks in this way.
Well, I'm going to say hi to some people.
Well, let me say one thing before, and then you can do it. But transitioning into the buck slightly, and as we start to begin the pivot, is to say. The Bucks front office for like the past decade. has come in And like the bottom 10. of these like organizational front office how they're run.
Polls like that the super nerds on NBA type pods do. Really smart guys who like to like you ever heard Nate Duncan and John Hollinger do their pod, like mega nerd stuff. I love it. But they'll do every year, they'll what? You?
Yeah, right. Surprising. But every dude they do their off-season ranking of organizational Power, like, you know, who actually has their shit together. And it's not like who's the best team, who has the best roster. And so it's like for the past decade, you could say, man, I'm worried that the Bucks keep coming in as a bottom 10 team.
And then you fast forward a little bit and you get through the stuff and you're like oh Oh, now the credit card bill is due. And, like, oh, like now we see why, like, how they're structured and how they're set up has been a problem. And oh, like, here's why it's going to take them so long to recover because they're not doing all the small stuff right, because the ownership does this, or the GM or the front office does that.
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Just go on. I know you've done a lot of bucks, but let me ask you this one. I want to read a couple of things that were surprising to me. In a previous era, like in five days ago. When things were looking up for the Bucks, February 27th, the following was tweeted, much to my surprise.
Six days ago, the Milwaukee Bucks have the best half-court offense in basketball, 103.8 offensive ratings, 6.6 points above league average since January 1st. Giannis has missed over half of those games. It's a 106.4 specifically since he's been out. AK has been extraordinarily good. This was six.
Days ago. That's it. Wow. Chicago, here's another tweet that I saved. Chicago went on a 27-0 run to snap its 11-game losing streak.
That of course came after February 27th. Then they've lost their last three games by combined 78 points, something like that, right?
So I was, they were, they had won eight of their previous 10 not long ago. I was looking at the stand, like, they won eight of 10. Like, I follow the bucks. I watched the bucks. I was like, what is they've not won eight of 10?
They have, they did, and not like with. Like the offensive rating numbers, the defensive rating numbers were like really good since January 1st. And then this. Um This recent stretch of games has officially solidified this buck season as peak fan annoyance. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. Well, I'll just reiterate a little bit, I guess, of what I said last night, is I've always championed. Seasons where you have no expectations. You know, because then it just a level of excitement. It feels new again, kind of.
The Bucs had maybe top four in the East, top six at least expectations. And they were not able to meet those.
So Okay, fine. This is a wasted year. But then there was like you know we could actually the bar got lowered All right, fuck your sixth seed. All you gotta do is make the plan. Come on.
And so the bar is immeasurably low. And now we gave our expectation. We put it back in. We're like, you know, but not a lot. But we can't even fucking meet that bar.
So it's very disappointing. It's just been because last week, yeah, I'm thinking, okay, I'm thinking, I'm thinking if Giannis comes back, they could challenge Detroit. I'm thinking all this kind of shit, you know. And now it's like, I don't know how we're making up these three games. I don't even like saying we're three games back of the plane.
It's like, why are you, why are you even, why do you even get out of bed? Honestly, it's so stupid.
So, yes, peak annoyance. The game Wednesday night at 8:30 for some reason. ESPN, you can thank for them for that. It's against the Hawks. They're one of the teams they're catching.
I gotta say it. I think tomorrow is I think tomorrow's Do or die. Thingets can't lose. Anna must win. Anna must win.
Will tomorrow's outcome change whether you go, like, I hope they lose. I hope they win. It's just no, I want them. I don't want to watch him lose.
Well, you don't have to wash. But I want to see, I want to see because right now. The other thing I said last night was: Giannis feels like Paul Rudd, season nine of friends right now. Oh. That's a good one.
I saw that in a hotel room this weekend, which is why that landed. I saw a couple episodes from that. Like Paul Rudd is great. Paul Rudd. Everything he's in, it's a Paul Rudd vehicle.
But he was in someone else's thing. And not like, so I'm picking friends, which a lot of people like, classic comedy, although some people like. Don't like it. There's also plenty of people who fucking don't. I think, friends, you had to be there.
Sure. I was there, didn't like it. Friends is not, I don't know, maybe it is. Is it a binge show? How old were you when it was on?
High school. Yeah. Mostly. I mean, it was longer than four years, obviously. One of the first things I remember about watching Friends was.
Just looking forward to being an adult. And just the. The lack of responsible, casual sex that I was going to have. In my twenties. They got a new girlfriend every week.
But for whatever reason, I watched a ton of Seinfeld, and that never once occurred to me. You know what I mean? Well, friends, friends, the thing with friends is the show, the plot lines were usually built around sex. A lot of them were. That's what it felt like.
I can't say that. It's a lot more sexual, even though I guess Seinfeld, a lot of sex scenes, too, but. But it was never about the sex. It was always. It was never about the sex.
It was about the move. She stole my move, Jerry. It was about the toys. I'm drugging her to play with her toys. It's a sex joke.
It's, I can't go left. What do you have written on your hand? Yeah. He writes down what to do on his hand. Friends isn't an immeasurably horny show.
I think for young people. Middle school, high school, it's like, oh, I'm watching an adult show for the first time. It's your first taste of like more of an adult format, you know, type of thing. But my main thing is he feels like he's can't. I mean, it's the Bucs, but he feels like he's cameoing on the team because he was there, then left, and came back, then he's back.
It's like. It's just not. Maybe, maybe a better one is now that Scrubs is back. That first one was so good. No, go ahead.
Go ahead. But season nine of Scrubs, this one is better because it's a younger unit. They're not really, they're not like the, they're not as good, but then JD's still back, but he wasn't in every episode. I think I had a perfect analogy. And one upped it.
You had a good analogy, you found a great analogy. Scrubs of any show that I've ever watched, and like that was a DVD show for me. Same. It's the one I'm the most embarrassed by. What?
People ask me, do I like Scrubs? I could be sitting there watching Scrubs. And I'd say. No. Why?
I just something about maybe, maybe it's when he did Garden State, and then like everyone pretends like they were in Garden State for three years. I never actually watched. Zach Brath was always a guy I liked. I've seen him, like. you know, on Broadway, but I never watched I wasn't gonna like go watch Garden State.
Zach Braff is the Zachary Levi of Rob Lowe's. That means nothing. That means nothing, and you know that means nothing, but it sounded good. I guess I think that was pretty good. What did it mean?
It means what I said it means. It does, Paul, unfortunately, mean exactly what he says it. I guess I'll have to think about it off air. Did you guys ever watch that show, Chuck? Yeah, I loved Chuck.
Oh, it was so fucking good. Whatever happened to Morgan? Whatever happened to his friend? He just never did he fucking die? No.
Did the cabal get him? Morgan was just, yeah, that was the only show he was in. Oh. That's weird. Grant?
This recent stretch of games has officially solidified this Buck season as peak fan annoyance. And my take on the Bucks has been the same for three months. Is they're just wasting everyone's time. This whole thing is just an endeavor in time-wasting. Coach.
Young players, old players, Miles Turner, fans, owners. Media people. Yeah. I produced the Bill Michaels show. We have Jim Ozarski on every Tuesday, and we either do one of two hits.
It's the Jim, what the fuck, or hey, don't look now. Is this the start of something? And we never have more than two of each in a row. You never have more than two, hey, look at this weeks in a row. And we never have more than two, what the fuck weeks in a row.
We've gone back and forth. Jim's great. I literally just read to you, right? Six days ago. I'm reading this shockingly positive.
Like, really? Since January 1st, they're the best offense in basketball? Yes.
And then you fast forward six days and they've lost the past three by 78 points.
Now, Bart, I think you on your live stream after Bucks Celtics, you got into the box score a little bit. Let's go inside the box score, present. You know, you always used to do that on the fan postcamp show. And I actually thought it was insightful because you're like, wait, so Giannis is back. And the way you've set the table for your superstar's return is: we're going to send Ryan Rollins to the bench, who's maybe you could think one of the biggest selling points if you're trying to miss out.
Kooz, who's been good, didn't play. A.J. Green and Miles Turner played season lows in minutes. Like, that was your. Really?
Like, that was your whole AJ Green is my bucks Rashawn Gary, I think. Which is fine. Yeah, and I disagreed with Grant at the time. He proved to be right. I'm against you on A.J.
Grant. You were anti-Rashawn Gary. I didn't agree with your take about Rashawn Gary. You proved that you were right about Rashawn Gary. I'm against Bard and the A.J.
Green take. We'll see if you turn out to be right as well. Um I would just say. I and I don't this is not i intended with hewer. If I Wanted to be fired as head coach of the Bucs, I would do what Doc Rivers does.
Yeah. Like that's not That's what I would do. I would make all the big, like, I'd have all the things happen that have happened, make all the comments that have been commented, do all the rotations that have been rotationed. This is what I would do. I just can truly, honestly.
not convinced he doesn't like Basatya, like Come on, fire me. Come on, fire me. Give me my $2 million so I can go home. Maybe I'll coach Clemson for one-fourth of the money. You're clearly supposed to fire me.
Everything I'm doing, like, fire me. And the bug's like, nah. And I think Doc is like, fire me. Come on. Like, come on.
Give me my money and let me go home. You're clearly supposed to fire me. I don't think the Bucs roster is any good. I disagree. But that does.
Okay, they're not great. They might not suck, but they're like. They are more talented than their record, even with the number of games down as his. Sure, sure.
Okay, I'll give you that. But my greater point is: I don't think their roster is special. But night to night, I'm like, what are you guys trying to be? Like the Celtics, without Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, it's clear. Oh, they're doing their thing.
That's what Joe Missoula preaches. They're doing Celtics' things. And I just, there's no framework, there's no foundation. There's no nothing. By the way, the Doc Rivers comment before last night's game when they asked, hey, is Giannis going to play tonight?
And Doc, most coaches would say, Yes, he's going to be available. Doc Rivers did the thing he always does, where he gives you the answer, and then it's like, and I'll also give you something because I'll take it up a notch because I'm Doc Rivers. He's like, Giannis has actually been mad all week because he hasn't been able to play. Like, it's just like, oh, God. It's just that's the classic Doc Rivers, and I don't really care that much because.
They're not a championship team that's going to be, you know, come up short because of their coach. But it's just, it's annoying. It's just, it's annoying. It's wasting my time. It's wasting my time and yours.
That's the only thing the Bucks are accomplishing this year. Here's the last thing I would say: last night I was not. As I'm usually not, I was not able to watch the Bucks game live. I was trying to figure out, okay, how can I watch this one on Replay. Blackout rules are just so stupid.
As an NBA TV guy, like, I mean, come on. And be a league pass guy, I mean, I still can't watch it. Ridiculous. Like, okay, fuck. I'll just, and I'd avoided spoilers, didn't know what was going to happen.
The game was over. And I was like, I'm not going to find out what happens. I'm going to go watch it. And I couldn't figure out how because I don't have the FanDuel network or whatever else.
So I couldn't watch it. And I fine, I'll go find out. And I was like, Whoa, like I just What a win for me. I wasn't able to watch it. I just got to cheat to the end and find out, like, oh.
You could do that, Paul, anytime you want. I was going to say, a lot of people do that. No, but I want to. You actually don't have to watch these games. The watching is optional.
I want to. Unless, of course, you find out that it was just some absolute disaster. And then you're like, it was, by the way, if the Bucs had lost to the Celtics and it was. you know, competitive and Good spirited and like made sense. I wouldn't, that's to me.
It's not like that they won or lost, it's that it was stupid. Right. It's not about like watching a bad or good Monday Night Raw episode back in the day. It's like when it was one of those really bad ones, you're like, fuck, I wasted my time. Yes, I could have found out who won the matches, but the point was like, no, I think I'm going to enjoy this.
But then when you can't watch it and you do find out and you find out it was garbage, you're relieved that you didn't watch the garbage. And I think that is going to conclude today's episode. It's not. Can I ask you one that's off sports real quick? I gotta post this before I pick up my kid.
Real fast.
Okay, fine. No, I have to do it now. Do it. Um On the heels of the McDonald's CEO begrudgingly taking one bite of his company's own sandwich. This is not a mm-hmm, but I have to ask you: what is the one fast food item that it would be hardest for you to fake enjoyment of?
Why don't we have people Let us know their answer.
Sound off in the comments. Yeah. And we will reveal our answers next week. If you made it this far, prove it by answering this question in the comments. In fact, I could even do a bartometer.
Oh, yes. I could give you a good answer, but I need to think about it. Oh, this is great. We can prove that people are still listening, and we can get a barter meter out of it. And Grant's going to put some extra homework into thinking about it.
So, eight shitty fast food items. That you would be the hardest to fake your enthusiasm and enjoyment of.
Okay. As McDonald's CEO was like, I'm gonna take a massive bite of this new sand. Oh. I love that it's just. being dumb done.
Well, it makes me more eager to try one. I think it was brilliant marketing. If the CEO doesn't like it, I need to fucking eat that sandwich. The CEO is a lizard person. No wonder he doesn't like it.
I mean, that is great marketing. That might be the best marketing I've ever fucking even heard. Accidentally terrible. Accidentally turns into accidentally great. Like, what if it was a work?
The reverse ring doorbell commercial, like the reverse effect of that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right. All right.
Sound off. Is that what you're telling us? Eight shitty fast. I got to go to work. Eight shitty fast food items.
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