Good. Good morning, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler. Coming at you on a Friday.
The 30th of January. Ryan Horvat is joining us on today's program. Horvy. How are you? Happy Friday.
Doing all right, doing pretty good. Happy Friday, although right now is an everyday kind of Friday for us. Um I'm having a hard time. Like knowing what day is what. Same.
Uh I mean, I do I am responsible for taking my kid to school and picking him up. Yeah.
So that gives me a little bit of structure in the day. Um But yeah, man. And it's weird because like. Last night I went to bed at like nine thirty. Yeah, I've been going to bed earlier and earlier.
I mean The goal is to wake up and get things done. work out, feel good about myself throughout the day, but I uh The thing that sucks is that all the games out here, most of the good games, they don't.
Well, I mean, it's basketball season now. They don't tip off until like nine, ten PM. Uh, on the East Coast, these college games.
So I don't know. I've also had a really hard time keeping up with college basketball for the first time ever in my life. I have always loved college basketball, but it's changed. And uh Also. Rough year trying to bet it.
Just not the same anymore.
So. I don't know. I texted you yesterday. About the Bucs because they were in town here in DC, and I was going back and forth. I was like, do I want to see Giannis before he leaves Milwaukee?
Not knowing that he's out for, what, three to four weeks? That's how much attention that I've been paying to the NBA.
Well, Giannis got hurt last week. Again, the same way he got hurt the first time this season, where he just like grabbed his leg and then sat down. Yeah.
Many people are wondering and asking questions and doing their own research. And then He goes immediately, immediately. He's just like available for interviews after. And they're like, Are you okay? And he's like, Yeah, four to six weeks.
No what? Yeah, I don't know. I'm they and then and then they asked Doc Rivers. And he's like Yeah, no, that s that's probably pretty right. That's usually what it is.
And the Bucs have yet to put out, like, because whenever these guys get hurt, they'll send an email or something like Kevin Porter Jr., mysterious injury himself. He's out for an extended time. Will be re-evaluated. They haven't even put anything out about Giannis. This is so.
The Bucs are like totally going through the motions right now. It's very. Frustrating to watch, unless you want them to lose, then it's really enjoyable. But I also feel like that's a big, like. I don't Ever like being this guy?
Um But the NBA is not, something's off.
Something's off. The NBA is just not. Like, it's like half the teams do not give a shit about how they're performing. It's very weird, except for the Hornets, for some reason, care a lot. That's the thing.
I've always been a big NBA guy, man, my entire life, but the last couple of years. It's just been a rough product, and I don't care about the teams, and I really don't care about the players. I guess it's it's tough not to care about the regular season. I mean, everybody's already done the players don't care. I'm saying, like.
us as fans now really, and then just get all hyped up for the playoffs. And then the playoffs are just so long. Like the first round now, every series goes to like six, seven. It used to be like the first round used to be sweeps. Also, there's like not really.
I mean, OKC's good, right? I mean, Denver. They've lost three or four. Yeah.
I like uh, I like San Antonio with Wemby. Like, if I'm gonna watch hoops, I'll watch them a little bit. I like watching Detroit. But again, like Detroit's the best team in the East. It's uh It's rough right now.
I hate being that guy as well. I just can't get into it. Also, I'm a Bulls fan, so I'm boycotting the product. And I feel like a lot of Bucs fans will probably do the same. You know, the real ones will stick with the team.
Talk about you know draft picks and shit like that, and hope to find the next Giannis, but I think that's what they have to do. They got to rip the band-aid off. Get the best package. You know what else I would do though after trading Giannis? I'd fire Doc Rivers.
Doc Rivers with a young, like, no, I want a new voice in my locker room developing my players. I don't want it to be Doc Rivers. I still will never understand why they hired Doc Rivers. I know that he won that Jimmy Haslam ring. I won that ring.
It's it's hard to not think that there's So the owner of the Browns. Who everyone's been shitting on, and he can't seem to run a franchise. Right for that. He gave a bunch of guaranteed money to Deshaun Watson. I feel like Jimmy Haslam He's got a lot of money.
But he doesn't know a lot.
So he goes into these collectible shops and he's like, oh, I've heard of that. Give me that. I don't care how much money. 'Cause like Deshaun Watson Nobody else would have given him guaranteed money. Jimmy Haslam did.
Doc Rivers, nobody else was going to hire him as a coach. Jimmy Haslam did. And what's frustrating for Bucks fans Twofold is it does seem like they are choosing Doc Rivers, like they're going to trade Giannis. And then continue this with Doc Rivers.
Now, the thing you should do. Is get rid of Doc Rivers. Kuzma last night was talking about how this team's got no sense of urgency. Kuzma. And then with Doc.
You know, we revisit a lot the Adrian Griffin tenure because he was 30 and 13, and Jay Crowder's been talking.
Some shit about it. Um And I'm not trying to justify that Adrian Griffin shouldn't have been fired. All I'm saying is. The organization had They had expectations with him. You're 30 and 13, and it's not good enough because we're worried what could happen next.
Meanwhile, this team is. Like Obviously And not even subtly. They are trying to tell you. That they have quit on dock. They are telling you that through their play.
And they're trying to tell you that. Uh through their answers. But yet the Bucks are just like, whatever.
So there was expectation. And accountability for Bud. And Griffin. But now Doc Rivers comes here and is just like The thing I said yesterday was He's like an anchor. On your ship, so the ship is sinking.
But he's too heavy of an anchor. You're just dead. You there's no way unless you get off the boat. But there's nowhere to crawl to. The Bucs are so fucked.
Yeah.
And this is why I'm saying, though, they don't have to. I mean, yeah, they're going to be fucked for a while, but they don't have to be, right? Like, because. The bulls are a great example of just I mean, being the same mediocre team every single season. They are the worst team that is trying to win.
Like the Bulls go out there. Yeah, the Bucs are for sure, I think. No, the Bulls. No, they don't want to win, though. They just want to go out there and they want to be the fucking 10 seed and play in the play-in tournament and lose to the Heat.
Right. And and and get the play like or make it to the first round and get swapped or losing a gentleman sweep to the box and get that you know, one game of playoff revenue or two games of playoff revenue. That's the issue. Like in the NBA, I would rather, it's going to be painful. And I get the people that are like, no, I want to go to the Pfizer every single night and watch Giannis.
He's my favorite player ever. He helped the book. I saw a championship because of him. I understand that. But, like, as a fan, I would be like, nah, it's time to just blow this entire thing up.
I mean, you just. Like we're talking about Kyle Kuzma. A couple of years ago, it was Middleton. And it was Drew Holiday. And it was Giannis, and it was, you know, we'd get pissed about, like, you know, Conaton getting too many minutes and stuff like that, but.
Now we're talking about Kyle Kuzma. Yeah, the team looks like a bunch of. Spare parts trying to Be whole. It doesn't work. Right.
And so I would just get the best package possible and just suck and just play for draft picks because unfortunately. You know, that's how you win. Um Because I mean the problem is now it's going to be tough. You know, I hate to be this guy, but as you know, without Giannis, especially, it's going to be tough to bring free agents to Milwaukee. Chicago can't get free agents, man.
So I think you're going to have to win with young players. I would just blow it up and have it be painful for the next couple of years. And then hopefully you're not in basketball health for the next decade plus. This just reminds me to. It pained me to say it at the time, but it was the right decision.
I love Aaron Rodgers, as everybody knows, but it was time for Green Bay to say goodbye because. Rogers was getting old, man. And that last year, they didn't even make the playoffs. I mean, him and Cobb's old ass are walking off the field. It was like, no, it's time to go to Jordan Love and the youth movement and be the youngest team in the league somehow for four straight years or whatever it's been.
But, um, You know, that was the right decision. to move on. And I feel like right now, You do write by Yannis. Trade him to a contender. Trade him somewhere that he wants to be for his legacy.
Because, like we talked about in the last podcast. LeBron James has ruined basketball. It's all about how many rings. You know, he had to go to Miami to get his rings because he had to compete with Jordan. I don't even know that it's LeBron.
He didn't ruin it. Fans ruined it. Yeah, social media and the media. No sport has been ruined by the internet more than the NBA. Yeah, like I don't think back in the day, like during the sports writers, they would have been like, oh, because LeBron was always a great player.
There's only ever going to be one Jordan. There's only ever going to be one Cope. Like, they're the closest to each other. LeBron was just a different type of player. He was more like a Magic Johnson.
Um And Jordan was more clutch. I mean, Jordan was the guy that I wanted with the ball in his hands in the fourth quarter. Nobody wants that fucking conversation. What I'm saying is. You know, like it's all about rings, though.
So if Giannis only wins one ring. He's like the basketball equivalent of Aaron Rodgers. When we talk goats and I'm like Aaron Rodgers is the greatest of all time. And I say that in public, people are like, oh, you're a fucking idiot. He's a Brady, you know, and I'm like, no, Rogers was more talented.
Brady had the better teams, the better coaches, the better defenses. You know, they both had some shitty playoff games. Brady did too. Um, but it's all about rings, man, and that's what sucks.
So, Giannis has to go and win somewhere else. The organization should do right by them. Because he's done right by them. And if he doesn't want to be there and he's going to be a little bitch down the stretch, it's only going to sour. It's like a relationship, right?
When it's time to just walk away from that person, or else you're just going to sour what you had, you know, the good moments.
So just let them go. Because this team's nonsense. This team sucks. Doc Rivers sucks. Get rid of him.
Send him on an island.
Somehow he'll have another fucking job in like three months. I don't even think he was interested in coming back to coach. Um And then like he just this is It's hard it I don't know the inner workings of the Bucs organization. But it's hard not to think that What the fuck is going on with Jimmy Haslam? I don't like it.
I've got.
Some trade proposals I want to show you. The other thing was, you know, when you're talking about social media. The way that the NBA is covered. And I and what I just said to you was I don't think any leagues felt the negative effects more than the NBA. Imagine if the NBA was covered in the nineties like it's covered now.
Like if on inside stuff They never Like, did a feature with a player and like learn about this guy? Hey, let's learn about Glenn Rice. My main man, you gotta do my main man because if it's inside, you know, the moderator. It'd be like five minutes of. Kevin Durant responding to Twitter, people.
And then the newspaper article, there wouldn't be box scores in the newspaper. There would be, you'd open up to section C6. And instead of box scores and standings, it would be Oh, look at this player in a different jersey swap. You know, it's just junk. We don't talk about the league.
We don't talk about the games. We're only talking about. Trade proposals and that kind of nonsense. Speaking of some trade proposals, I have for you. Hit me.
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I love how Thanasis is just a package deal with Giannis. Like you gotta take this shit too. I know. He's in every trade. This is from, these are some trade proposals from Zach Harper.
I have not looked at them yet. I've seen a lot of trade proposals online. They're all dog shit. I don't like any of them.
So I like to imagine this by pretending I'm hearing about it for the first time. All right, let's pretend it's real. Giannis has just been traded to the Warriors. Oh my God, what did we get? We got, or no, this is the Heat.
Giannis has been traded to the Heat. What do we get? Tyler Hero. Calalware Terry Rogier, isn't he in jail? Yeah, ain't he going to the pen?
A 2029 first, a 2031 first. Pick swaps in twenty and Uh thirty and thirty two. This is A trade proposal that Zach Harper has put together from the Athletic, giving himself. A grade of B plus. He's trying to put together trade proposals, and then he's grading.
His own trade and how he thinks Milwaukee would do with it. I think you could do worse. I think you could do a lot better. I, for one, would not be excited for Tyler Hero. Kalau Ware.
The prison rights to Terry Rogier. And then a bunch of swaps five years from now. First of all, So many Bucks fans talk about like this 2031 first. We got to hang on to it because that's when we're going to draft Giannis Edeta Kumpo again. There is not another Giannis coming in the draft.
We've tried to find other Giannises coming in the draft. We thought Thon Maker was Giannis again, okay? We thought, oh my God, we thought he was Wemby, is what we thought. We thought we were gonna pair Giannis with Thon Wemby Maker. Um so this trade I think this trade would dishearten me quite a bit.
Terry Rozier being that reminds me of Major League. This guy now says you could change the contracts to put in Andrew Wiggins, who, you know, say what you want about Wiggins, but at least he. You know, he could go outside and get his mail every day if he chooses. Cross him off the list, then. Yeah, I don't know.
This would not excite me, but at least Tyler Hero. Could go out there and give you twenty plus points, but You know, I don't want. Oh, I don't want Tyler. I don't want the Milwaukee. I don't want that.
And the thing is, it wouldn't even be like a Derrick Rhodes Chicago situation because the people in Wisconsin, at least 60%, I would say, you could correct me if I'm wrong. Fucking hate Tyler Hero for for For not being a badger. Am I right about that? Um, yeah, and then how he, you know, beat us in the playoffs. Yeah, so No, I honestly.
I would just be like I don't know. It's so much different because all I would want would be a bunch of draft picks, but the NBA is so much different. Like, let's to be honest, man, like, Tyler Hero, you're not winning or competing with Tyler Hero. Being the best player on your team anytime soon, in my opinion. I also as a sports broadcaster Slash fan slash owner.
I can't get excited for things I can't get excited about. And I can't fake that. I gotta be honest. Also, really quick, if it's not Cooper flag. The best player for Giannis can't be an American born white guy.
If I'm the GM, dude, it's gotta be someone I've eaten like Jokic or Luca. You know, we're in a whole nother world. If they're from, you know, Croatia, my lands, Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, my wife's territory. But if we're talking like Tyler Hero from Milwaukee for fucking Giannis Hall of Famer, I'm good. I just gotta be honest here with all due respect.
Go on. He can't. If we're gonna trade for someone, he can't be someone. that at one point snuck underage into club paragon. Right.
We can't have his dad. We can't have our best player's dad going to his bathroom. Yeah, we never got an answer for that. Allegedly. We never got an answer.
Anyway, so I can't get excited about things I can't get excited about.
So I am not excited about trading Giannis. I don't feel like there's a good enough package. Out there that they would get.
So none of these excite me. Just like I don't. I don't know, man. I care about the defensive coordinator, and we should fire Visaccia, but. We got this Bobby Bab nuts guy, and everyone's like, oh, fuck, Bobby Babnuts is coming to the Packers.
I don't know who he is. I don't care. The Packers are back next year if Micah Parsons comes back and he's Micah Parsons. And if they can upgrade in the secondary, then the Packers are. competing for a Super Bowl next year.
You know, all these jabronis on the sidelines, I don't care about it. They just need Micah back. I think they would have competed this year if he doesn't get hurt. That completely changed the defense. And then the secondary, the Those idiots were exposed because you weren't getting a consistent pass rush.
Well, Keyshawn Nixon's a pro bowler. Yeah, so is Shador. And I hate to say it, man, because I like Rashawn Gary sucks. He's no good.
Well, he can't run, he's slow. I don't know, like, what happened to him? Sports science should do the study on his drop-off. I got a Warriors trade proposal from Zach. You hit me because I feel like that seems the most likely.
Well, he gives this one an A-, first of all. Yeah, the proposal is Yannis and Kuzma. Yeah.
For Jimmy Butler. Jonathan Kaminga. Brandon Podemski. They're 2026 first. They're 2028 first.
They're 2031st. They're 2032 first. A swap in twenty-nine and a swap in thirty-one. I don't want fucking Jimmy Butler at his age. And Jimmy Butler on a bad team is going to be a lot of fun.
Well, he's not playing. You're going to play, right?
So now you got Dane's contract sitting there. You got to trade Turner. He fucking sucks. You're going to have Jimmy's contract. Fucking Christ.
This is all. I mean, the pick part of this is good, but again, I'm not tickling. I gotta rephrase how I'm gonna say this. Because these draft picks are young children, and I don't want to. I'm not getting excited about young kids, but I do need to phrase that a little better.
Although, no, that's a good one. I'm not.
So, there's nothing wrong to say that. That's actually the right thing to say. I feel like, man, like, honestly. You just take again like this might be the best package. Especially because Jimmy Butler will never suit up in Milwaukee.
I don't want to settle, though. I want the Bucs to. Over-negotiate. Oh, you want Giannis? Give me your whole team.
Because like the goal I work down, don't start it. Anthony Davis and Max Christie. What sucks about the NBA, in my opinion, is the fucking lottery, man. Because, like, at least in the NFL, you could be a dog shit team like the Raiders, and you're picking number one overall. The Wizards.
Are shit every year, yet they never get the number one overall pick because the last thing that the league wants. is the wizards where stars come to rest. That's why I was thinking about going to the Lakers game, dude. And I'm like, what are the odds fucking LeBron's playing out there against the Wizards? You know, maybe he does, but how many minutes are we getting?
My kid's like obsessed with LeBron James right now. And is it Jordan guy? Yeah, like towards the end of his career and stuff. It's all social media. And as a Jordan guy, you know how bad that pains me?
Trade number three, Giannis to the Wolves. For Jaden McDaniels, Julius Randall, Taryn Shannon Jr. a 2028 swap, a 2032 swap. And a 2026 first. Uh, he gives us a B deal.
I think this is the B. This is a D. This trade fucking this is an F. This trade sucks. It sucks because they would like win some game.
They would be like, I'm telling you, like. Julius Randall will be taking like 36 shots a game.
Somehow, this team will like fuck around and win like 36 to 40 games, which will be like play-in-worthy. Again, if you're trading Giannis, you want to be bad bad.
So I don't want any vets that are still. Any good. Also, like that aren't going to want to be there and they're going to fuck up the culture because you're going to want to bring in young players and see what you have. You're not going to want Julius Randall out there chucking up the round. There's no Bulls trade proposal because, again, the report was the Bulls.
Look through the trade options, and we're not interested. Remember that I saw that, yeah. Oh, we don't need him. We got uh the fucking kid from Hinsdale, we got Matellus Bezellis or whatever Kobe White. Yeah.
All right. And then the last one: Giannis and Drew to New York. Knicks receive Giannis and Drew Holiday, three-team deal. Blazers get Mikal Bridges, Josh Hart, and Yaba Soule. The Bucs get Carl Anthony Towns, Matisse Tybal, Chris Murray.
A 2030 swap and a 2032 swap. Uh this is a C plus for the Bucs.
So he BOOM! Why you obviously the Knicks would fucking win this trade. Like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, they get Giannis and Drew Holiday, and the Bucks get cat. Even David Stearns is blushing at this trade, not David Stearns.
But David Stern is blushing at this trade. I like cat actually. I just, again, like, I like cat as like the side. Cat has. I feel like there's always like this knock on him.
I thought he was actually pretty good for the Knicks in the playoffs last year. But. Again, then you're like a decent basketball team, decent enough to sneak into that play-in. And you just, you don't want to be there. Trust me.
That's the last place that you want to be. That's like being in the wild card. It's like the run with like. After the Packers were legit threats in the NFC. You know what I mean?
Like, after. They weren't winning 14 games. They were sneaking in, winning 10-11. Usually Rogers was hurt for half the year, and you knew they had no shot. Like that's that those kind of years.
That's not as fun as it seems.
Some comments on this. M. Shark says: Tyler Hero, Jimmy Butler, Jalen Johnson. Why the fuck does every package have Milwaukee connections? Yeah.
Harry Doyle. Ads Why does every proposal have some kid from Wisconsin involved? M Shark says, I just fucking said that. Guys. I loved it.
I love the internet. It's all good. It's all good. You would be the originator, though. No, hold on, I got just a couple more.
L. Or A L A L L L Letters and some numbers say Giannis looks like a 30-year-old married dude now. He's crabby. It's probably the worst year of his life. Plus his family living in Greece is probably stressful.
Well, I mean they didn't have to move. He'll be there soon enough. Yeah, I still think he's more likely to play in this Euro league than he is. for the heat Lucas says Giannis is a once-in-a-generational player. Bucks trading him and not figuring out a way to build around him is dumb.
Fire Doc Rivers, find new players to surround around Giannis. I would rather them just stay with him, but now Giannis has to sign an extension. But I'd still rather. Have Giannis play with world's shitty, but now we've seen what it looks like. This is no good for anybody.
This just needs to end. And then one more from Corey. I'm friends with the guy that took the video of Tyler Heroes' dad going into the women's room. Want me to get him on the show? His dad, or the guy that got the video?
I want them both. I want a reunion.
So if you could get me your buddy, and then we'll get Tyler Heroes dad. And I'll put up the picture and I'll like Maury Povich the reunion. You know, I almost. That is not the bathroom. Out here, have you noticed though in some of these places it is getting like harder and harder?
Especially if they don't just have like a man and a woman. And they're like... You know the ones where you just like they're like connected and you either go left or right? Have you ever accidentally almost went into the women's and been like, oh God, no, holy shit, let me get out of here? Did that a couple weeks ago, not on purpose.
Caught myself immediately. I was just in a woman's bathroom. Yeah, I just used the women's bathroom and didn't know. Really? But I thought there were urinals in there, and it also might have been a dream.
I'm not really sure. I'm going to go with it. It's probably a dream. You know what I did see? I saw.
A video with Triple H. Who is revising history to make it seem like he was the best wrestler of all time? He fucking sucked and sucks. I'm so sick of everybody. Hold on, hold on.
But in their bathrooms. The women have the WWE logo the right way. And then for the men, they flip it around like Ms. does.
So it's the WWE W for women's bathrooms, and then men, they flip it around. That's weird. But you escape it. While you said that, you gave me an idea, though. Do you wanna guess the do you wanna win loss the Royal Rumble?
Little bit. I'm pulling up the odds. I ch I want to bet it really bad. Right or a like Roman Reigns is the favorite right now at plus 150. All right, hold on, I'm pulling it all up.
Well, they got a bunch of shit, you could bet. Where are you? You ready? Yeah, what are you looking on? I'm looking on, well, like you can only bet this at like bet US and like, I don't know.
It's not on like FanDuel or anything.
So Yeah, it's not like Bavada. But right now, Roman Reigns plus 150. Gunther. Two to one. Braun Breaker.
Gunther's in a different match. Gunther's fighting AJ. That's what I don't understand. And these may have been updated. Sammy.
Four to one. He's fighting. Sammy's in a match, too. Cody 4-1, LA Knight, 5-1. I told my son.
I think it's going to be Roman Reigns, and I think he last eliminates Cody Rhodes.
So, who's Roman? Like, so Drew's got a belt, and Punk's got a belt. I think there's going to be some fuckery before we get to WrestleMania because there's the elimination chamber. Yeah, I think Sammy They want Sammy to beat Drew. I don't th I don't know though.
Your boy Tommaso Ciampa is in AEW now. I know my son woke me up at like 7 a.m. to tell me he's really all he's all into like the spoilers and the returns. Like today, I was actually just taking a shower. And he's been off all week.
So out here, man. There's like no because of the snow? Yeah, because of the snow. He's been off all week. And then Monday, my wife tells me it's somehow going to be a late start.
So. Um, I was taking a shower. And it's like 9 a.m. and he just comes in and he's like. Daddy, CM Punks, the cover guy on the WWE video game.
I guess today was like the big announcement, but anyway. Uh He's all into that stuff. Yeah, I think somehow Roman wins the Royal Rumble, and then Cody ends up being the champ. Has he ever won the Rumble, Roman? Yeah.
Didn't he win it the year where, like, you won it and you were the champ that weird year? I don't think. Why would you waste Sammy winning it at the Royal Rumble? When you could have them winning it at WrestleMania. And I I don't think this is the year.
I think somehow Cody ends up being the champ for WrestleMania, and we get Cody versus Roman, but with Cody as the heel. Do we want that again? I don't know. The first two were pretty much awesome. They were certified bangers, as the kids say.
I told my kid next time that wrestling comes to Milwaukee, we'll go. And then he's like, remember, Daddy, you told me next time the Rumble's in Milwaukee? Because he loves the rumble, dude. He does rumbles with his toys.
Sometimes I'll play like music, like I'll play the turtle song and then Michelangelo will come in. Loves it. We've watched the Jey Uso one probably twelve to thirteen times. Yeah.
So we're really excited. And I'm excited it's in the afternoon.
So you can watch the whole thing. I'm not thrilled that it's in Saudi Arabia, but. You know, I'll take what I can get. Because it's in the afternoon. Oh, I'm like, Saudi Arabia, how are they going to?
Well, it's in the afternoon. Oh, okay. You know, not real, real, real strong in your convictions there, Winkler. Dude, they got some shit I really want to bet here. They have most eliminations.
Oba Femi is minus 200. Braun Breakers 2-1. They have The Iron Man, who's in the match the longest, I'm guessing. Javon Evans, plus 125. Cody, plus 150.
They got What number will be the men's Royal Rumble winner? Odd or even? Total even ah, 27 wins a lot. They're both minus 120, though. That sucks.
It's like betting the coin flip minus 120 both ways. Entry number of men's winner: number one or number two, four to one. Number 29 or 32 to one. Anyway, all right. I think who do you think wins the Royal Rumble?
Um, oh, okay.
So, if it's, I'm worried it's Seth, they give Seth everything. What about Brock? What about Jericho? He's old. And he fights Pong.
He could fight Pong at Mania. God, I couldn't watch that again. They're like nine, they're like a combined Fuck 200 years old. What about The Rock coming back?
Now that he didn't win an Oscar. Or whatever the fuck he wanted to win. Oh, for the sm that that's uh that's out now on HBO. I wouldn't actually pay money to go see that movie, but I will check it out. Remember he got that 15-minute standing ovation when they showed it?
Overseas. Yeah, why? And Rock was like Yeah. Are you gonna watch it? The smashing tree or whatever?
I don't like the rock. I don't like the rock. No, me either. I don't like it. involvement currently I'm not Done with it.
I don't like any of his movies. He's like, always in the jungle. I feel with coming. I feel like they're always like out of the way. Every movie he just does is Jumanji.
Yeah, I feel like he's always just like... battling somebody in the jungle for some reason. Uh pivot, pivot, pivot. Pivot. Pivot.
Pivot I think Aaron Rodgers Is going to be very Aaron Rodgers about it. And not go play for McCarthy. I think the whole world wants to see him play one more year with McCarthy, and because of that, he's going to be like.
Now I'll retire dude I actually think it's the other way around. I think that Rodgers might want to come back now. And I don't think McCarthy's going to want Rodgers.
Now that he gets acting like he wants Rogers. Yeah, I mean, I think he's saying the right stuff. Maybe he does deep down, but I don't know, man. I could see him. He's getting.
Somehow another shot. He gets his dream job. Do you really want to do it with... 42-year-old Aaron Rodgers. you know who I don't know.
Maybe he does, though. Because I think that they know that there's probably not. They're not going to get a quarterback that like a Yeah, there's no McCarthy's not getting fired after one season, right? And he could take this as like he could take this as a red shirt year. Or it's just All right, my buddy Rogers is playing and I'll develop a quarterback on the side.
Yeah, yeah, fuck it. It's fine. That's what I mean. Like, it sucks for Pittsburgh. We don't need Rogers.
We're not going to need Rogers forever, but we need him right now. We're not going to always need him, but we need him right now. I'm so glad he's back. But I uh It sucks for them and for a lot of teams. Uh that like this quarterback class ended up being such a huge bust, man, because Like last year, I was like, I don't reach for a quarterback because next year it's going to be Lenora Sellers and Cade Klubnick.
Um You know, a lot of people said, Arch. I always knew Arch was going back to Texas because his family told you that. But they were all busts. Drew Aller. Um, so I think what you do is, yeah, you draft a quarterback and try to develop them, or you bring back Rogers, and if it stinks and he stinks.
You get your quarterback next year, but you could do a lot worse. But man, the thing is, is Roger is like I I would rather I wouldn't. We talked about it already. But a better situation, I would say, for Rodgers would be a team like Minnesota. where you have a good defense.
Like Brady won that last year in Tampa. Because that defense was elite. They had an elite pass rush. They were gifted a game against the Packers without David Bakhtiari. If Bakhtiari doesn't tear his ACL in practice before the Bears game that year, the Packers win the Super Bowl.
Rodgers was under pressure on every dropback in that game and still threw for 350, three touchdowns, and one pick. I don't understand how he choked. He got sacked, I want to say five or six times. And then the next week or two weeks later, they beat the fucking shit out of Mahomes. Um, pressured him on like 80% of his drop back.
So they had a top five defense, and they had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin. Rodgers is out there throwing go routes to MVS and Roman Wilson. And I like DK, but he's punching fans in the face, probably deservingly so, because fuck that guy, honestly. There's like seven tight ends somehow on that roster, and they all kind of do the same thing. And they like lead the team in rushing.
Yeah, yeah, like. I just I don't think that's I think, like, is it right? They hand the ball off to their tight ends. They only throw to their running backs. And the wide receivers are punching people in the stands.
Like Just like kind of like a mm-hmm. Again. This guy's got three teams this year. This goes back to kind of the Giannis conversation, but in a different way. Like, maybe it's time to just say goodbye so he's not flipping off the fans and you know, booing them and telling them to suck it.
And you just let him go and you remember the good times and you cherish the championship and the MVPs and the good times. I almost feel like watching this version of Rodgers, it's kind of like I'll send my dad, I'll be at like, A concert. And I'll send him like a cool video, and then he'll be like Sammy Hagar, and he'll send me the video, and I'll be like, Oh, that's so sad that Sammy still or like when frames would go to REO Speedwagon, I'd be like, It's so sad just seeing them roll their roll their Segment. Uh But they're all old and shit. I always get that wrong.
Dude, I mean, Frankie Valley. I was going to say he's fucking dead, dude. He died. I always say Richie Vallins. I always do.
I only All right, Super Bowl's coming up next week. Do you have any Pro Bowl bets? By the way, what is the Pro Bowl? What is the fucking Pro Bowl? Is there a game on Tuesday or some shit?
I thought it was Wednesday, maybe. I have no idea. Aren't they quite now in San Fran? What are they even doing? And.
You know what I hate? I hate when You eat a lot of things, let's be honest. I hate that these probos now And even like the rookie sophomore challenge in the NBA. I don't like when they bring back like... And this team's going to be captained by Michael Irvin.
Well, this team's going to be coached by Kenny Smith. I don't know. I don't like that. Just yeah, I'm with you. I should like it, though.
It's bridging the. But it's just like stupid. I have not done anything bet wise yet. I'm still in wicked shitty squares pool. Haven't won.
Rigged. Um I'm so glad that you brought that up because remind me, I have a strong take. What? All right, so we all have kids. Like our, like, we're all 40 or above, or in our late 30s, right?
I got to be honest, man.
Now, the wicket, I'm not going after wicket here because we've all been in that and I've won money. You've never actually won any money somehow in it. But all my buddies on Facebook, especially that don't even have Twitter or Instagram, they're still stuck in like 2005. Everybody, dude, or now they start, they'll send me like two months ahead of time. Join our squares, man.
It's for AJ's baseball team. It's like 50 bucks. But it's everybody and it's everybody's kid plays a sport. Like. I got bad news for you guys, man.
I got my own fucking kid who plays the sport. And we got our own things to pay for. I can't join everybody's squares and pools and all that shit. All right. And.
You know what? Go out there. Like back in the day when we played sports and sit in front of Jewel Osco. or the grocery store And try to get random strangers. Stop trying to con all your friends into paying for your I won't pay square I won't play squares if 100% of the proceeds Doesn't go back to the people.
I'm not giving your kid money. That's what I mean. Right. Thank you. Do you get what I'm saying?
I mean, I don't know if you have. This is a story I've told, but. Um I did an event once. And I was the MC. And it wasn't a big event.
But there was a 50-50. And so I won the fifty fifty. I won like two hundred and fifty bucks. But I was the MC of this event for charity.
So I gave the $250 to the charity. Yeah.
So why did why did I play to win? It's a great question. I mean, I want to win. I'm not gambling. I want to win.
People are always like, give it back, even when we were doing the golf outing. I with the microphone. Because That's still, I have a lot of questions about my career. Like We would do a golf outing. And there'd be 10 radio hosts participating in the golf outing, but nobody wanted to take a microphone and talk in front of the room, and I had to do it.
Like, Aren't you guys pros? What the fuck? My whole point is, though. Because then I couldn't get drunk. That's why I was posted.
But I see. I feel like I'm a dick or like. You know, then a buddy will be like, well, you don't care about my kid. or my family, like if I say no, that I don't I don't want to enter every I only bet to win, right? And I don't want to join every single fucking scout.
It feels like too much. Like, I'll give, okay, I'll give your kid money for Girl Scout cookies. If they got a money, I don't want to do that either. But but but listen to this. Like, my kid's got a fun run coming up at his school, and so I got to ask his grandparents for money and whatever.
I don't even know what it supports the school or whatever. But that, that, okay, fine. You are now infiltrating. Our safe space.
Now you're infiltrating. Numbers at the Super Bowl, like we're all down for a fundraiser, but there's got to be a line. And crossing the line into gambling. Is a bridge too far for me. Also, like, why doesn't all of my friends' kids have names?
Of like country music singers, too. It's like, hey, it's Russell Dickerson's uh You know, fundraiser for his like, what happened to just regular names? You know? I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know.
Anyway, we have three birthday parties coming up this month. Did you know that? Let's see. February. Seventh.
Uh we're going to like a sky zone for Jaden. On the 14th, we're going to some Daniels? Building thing with Aiden. And then on the twenty first, we have something with Brayden. Edwards.
Just Aiden, Aiden, and Braden. Oh.
Now that's a lie, but those three names are names of kids in my kids' class. Yeah, those are. I mean, those are common names.
Now, I just, I feel like out is like Mike, Matt. Nick Ryan. Bart. My kid's name is Nathan. My kid's name is DeBrica Shaw Winkler.
I know, I've always loved that about him.
So. I think what we do next week. I think we do it early, though. I think we do. I think, what do you got next week?
Because I think that we should tape before Friday or Thursday and just do our big. prediction and prop blowout but i do have one two three Four, five, six props to give to the people. And I do. I do lean Seattle. I don't want to bet Seattle, and I almost find myself, which is weird, kind of.
Cheering for New England. Because they fucked me all season. I think New England's going to win. I have not won since wild card weekend. Actually, the only game I've won is Bills Jaguars.
I think I've only got one correct game. This entire playoff. Yeah, you've been terrible. I've been on a tear.
So that means probably whatever. You know, we and I like New England and you like Seattle.
Well, I don't know yet. See, here's the thing. I don't love the number. I don't really want to bet Seattle at four and a half. I don't want to bet that money line price.
I'm going to be cheering for Drake May. I like the Sam Darnold story, but. I'll always, as a Packer fan, hate the Seahawks. Not so much Seattle, great city. But I just have been fading the Patriots all season long.
Like going into the year, I said I'm not going to bet over eight and a half wins because they won four games. That's a huge adjustment. I like Vrabel, I like Drake May. The defense and offensive line should be better. But then I bought into them because they played the worst, the easiest schedule, the 31st schedule and strength of schedule.
I just don't like the matchup, man, because Drake May wants to throw the ball deep down the field. He hasn't been good in the playoffs. He's holding on to the ball too long. The offensive line has been shaky. Will Campbell.
The arm thing, I don't know how much that matters, but I do think that he's a guard. He hasn't been the same player since he hurt his knee, but he's really struggled in the playoffs. And it's just like Seattle's getting pressure at a top five rate. They got a top five run defense. That defense is so good.
And again, like Drake May wants to push the ball down the field and they want to hit explosive plays, and Seattle just doesn't give up explosive plays.
So I could see this getting ugly. Like, I could see Seattle winning this game by multiple scores. If New England's going to win this game, I think it's because they take away the football. I think there's a couple defensive touchdowns.
So that's why There's a couple ways to play that, I think. Marcus Jones is, I want to say, let me see if he's still 100 to 1. He is. He's 100 to 1 to win Super Bowl MVP.
So, if you want to. I'm not going to be a quarterback, dude. No, because it always is. It's either a quarterback or a wide receiver. You know what I didn't realize going back?
Oh, no. Is it that a wide receiver has never won the NFL MVP award? Yes. Yeah, but it's one, but Cooper Cup just won the Super Bowl MVP a couple of years ago, remember? I got it all in front of me.
How many wide receivers have won Super Bowl MVP? Rice, Swan. Um There was a guy recently Cooper College. Cup Deion branch. Cooper Cup.
So hold on. I got it in front of me.
So we got one non-quarterback or wide receiver that's won a Super Bowl MVP in the last 10 years, two in the last 20 years, four in the last 25 years. The non-quarterbacks were either wide receivers or defensive players. A running back hasn't won Super Bowl MVP since Antonio Holmes. Julian Edelman, Fred Balitnikoff. Terrell Davis was the last running back to win Super Bowl MVP in 97, unfortunately.
But that's why Marcus Jones is 100 to 1.
So. If you look at defensive players who have won it, remember when Dexter Jackson won the award? It's because he had. He had two picks in that game. Right, uh, remember when let's see, von Miller won it.
Looking at what he did in that game, I just talked about this with the Strowski. He had a Uh two and a half sacks and two fours fumbles. Malcolm Smith had a 69-yard pick six and a fumble recovery. Ray Lewis was Ray Lewis, and he had five tackles and four passes defended. That's why I like Marcus Jones a little bit.
He had three picks in the regular season, took one to the house, had three fumble recoveries. Had that pick six against CJ Stroud, had two punt return touchdowns, also returns punts. He had a receiving touchdown.
So at 100 to 1. If you think New England could pull off the upset. Drake May is plus 240. I don't want to bet them. I bet him.
But I'll take a stab with Jones because I think if New England's going to pull off the upset. I think it's gonna be because the defense gets pressure on Darnold. He's seeing ghosts out there and he turns the football over. He has a four-pick game like he did against the Rams in the regular season, or a two-pick game. I mean, he had double-digit turnovers as good as he's been playing.
But I don't know that that happens, man, because I think he's in the fucking zone right now. I think even without Charbonnet, they're going to be able to run the ball. And I think Seattle's defense. Have you been just talking this whole time? Yeah, just this whole time about why I like Marcus Jones to win Super Bowl on MBC.
Nice pros, right? Yeah, so I was not going to, I was just talking to myself, waiting to see if you were going to come back. I also bet Devin Witherspoon. We talked about that on the last one. I don't know what happened.
I had to get on my phone's Wi-Fi. This sucks. Yeah, you look terrible.
Well then let's wrap it up. All right, let me give I'll I'll throw you some props. All right. We'll go with um Let's see if we can still get all these real quick. Just real quick.
We'll go Ramondre Stevenson. Under 15 and a half rushing attempts, minus 124. I know we just had 22 carries or whatever it was, but that was a cold weather game. I think. I was talking about this with the Strowski.
They're going to use Henderson more. You could get him over 16 and a half rush yards. He only had two rush attempts in that last game. I think with a full week to prep man, I think they're going to use him a little bit more. I also like his receptions, and I like him to score a touchdown at like five to one.
So I'm going all in on overs on Henderson. Unders on Stevenson. I got to take Darnold over 19 and a half completions. Drake May under 39.5 rush yards. I know he keeps using his legs.
That Seattle defense is so good, man, against the run and getting after the quarterback. A.J. Barner to have a rushing yard, plus 116. I think they'll run the tush push with him. And then Sam Darnold.
Over five and a half rush yards, minus 118.
So Stevenson Unders. Henderson overs, Darnold over on the completions, Drake May under on the rush yards. Barner over on the rush yards, Darnold over on the rush yards. That's what I bet so far. Do I still look like shit?
Mm-hmm. You look a little bit better. Hmm. All right. Well, when do you want to do it next week?
Let's go, uh I do me and Joe yeah, let's do Wednesday. Wednesday? Yeah.
Live on Wednesday. Mm-hmm. Noon. Noon, your time. My East Coast time.
11 o'clock on Wednesday. All the props. I'll probably have a. I'll have the big, I might bet 60 this weekend. Yeah, I need to win.
I am broke. Same. We got to kill this Super Bowl.
So. I'll be in the lab, aka the toilet, hiding from my family, doing some Super Bowl bets.
Okay. All right, we will do that on Wednesday. In the meantime, everyone have a great weekend. Make sure your internet works. Spaying neuter your children.
I mean pets. And thank you all for stopping. Into the Winklerverse.
