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Grant Bills is here and Paul Imig's here too. It's our weekly mm-hmm mm-mm. But on the Dan Shaney YouTube, I just wanted to show everybody that I put a lot of time making sure the Carls Place logo. was on the screen. And now when I bring in Paul.
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This is so I had a Monday episode, right? Yeah, I did the Packer Post game. And this is t being posted Tuesday. And then Wednesday, I will have an episode with Danny Parkins and Spark Guy, not at the same time. But I talked to both of them about the Bears.
Parkins, who was on the score for a long time now on Fox Sports One. just completely owns me throughout the entire interview. I am a you know, he's got the T V presence, the aura. He outauras me in every way.
So I'm excited to share that. I used to think you would do the same to him and Matt when you would go on Parkinson and Spiegel. And then you would just go attack dogs.
So, why is it that the host is always. Out-hosted in these exchanges. That's weird.
Well, I think because I wanted to have somebody to talk bears. And I was going to reach out to Danny. And then he had tweeted me. Have me on your show already. And that's always the easiest, as you know, when people want to come on.
I don't. I don't care. Yes. Um And then, when we were talking, and I think he ended up saying this both beforehand and then during. You just seem so sad.
I needed to remind you, you need to be making content. That's what you do. I said, Danny, I made fifty-eight bucks on Twitter being sad. I got fifty-eight bucks. How about that?
Well Grant, can we comment on your uh Grant made some money on Twitter. Yeah, business is good.
Okay, so that hackers lose. I can only imagine how good business is going to be. Oh, yeah. We spared was your weekly? No, that was like, that was, I think that was monthly.
That was not, that was not weekly, but not a bad month. But this week, the 10 poll, this has been the load-bearing week so far. This has been a good Twitter week. The load of the bread. Look, I just figured all these, like, how much money did I leave on the table?
Right. And I was going to stop doing that. All these years, I've been. Oh the machine and oh content. I'm not changing it, so I might as well get in on the pie.
Yeah, I told you this a year ago. Yeah, well, you should have told me that. Like More delicately. It's about the way the message is delivered. Or tell me you talk to myself in the future, because I would believe you.
Just to be clear, I And there's a record of this on this pod. I said, Can you just let me run your Twitter for you? Hmm. You don't have to know what's happening or you don't want to. But you wanted more promotion of the national show.
I want his promotion of you doing things and saying things. Which I think.
Now looking back. I did little promotion for the national show. You did alarm me. And I like to say. But listen to this.
I like to say that I was the last real radio show. You adhered to that. You lived up to that. I didn't advertise. I didn't do any social.
I didn't do a video stream. I was just on the radio. Right. You had to you had to be on the radio to find out I was on the radio. I love that.
But in the process. In the process, I was putting out clips. Of my podcast. Which now is Like my job. Yeah.
So I think I played that one. Perfectly. I will always find a way to justify. What I'm doing. This rivalry, this game coming up.
Uh I'm having, I don't really love the take that I'm putting out there that I'm anti-rivalry. But we could talk about that, and I do in depth on Wednesday show. Oh, the other thing Parkinson said was: you got to be putting one out every day at the same time. And I did that last time. And I don't think I'm going to do it this time though.
Strategically or just 'cause you don't feel like it? Yeah.
Yeah.
I I don't know. Every day at 6 a.m. there was a Winkler verse episode. Yeah.
But I don't want to phone an episode in just to get one out there. You guys are available at a certain time.
Some of my shows are going to be podcast, like live stream. And I could hold this. I could record this now and not. push it out right away.
so that people can get in a routine, but if I do it, I want it out there. Yeah.
And I could, I could be like, all right, it's drop it at six o'clock. But for you, patron subscribers, you can get it. Like, I don't want to do that either. If people want to give me money. They are more than welcome to Hit me up at Winklerbart on Venmo.
But I don't ever want to charge people. to get the content.
However, Feel free to send him a A thanks on YouTube. Yeah.
Yeah, sure. When I say feel free, I mean you should probably do that. Loyal losses. No, no, no, no, no. No, come on.
Ben, Ben will come on my post games and then he'll log off and then he'll give me money. Like, you don't need, you don't need, I should be giving you money. What are you doing? We need you need more Benz. Way to go, Ben.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Way to go, Ben. Thanks. All right.
So Grant and I get zero. We want zero. We will only accept zero. It's it's for Mr. Yeah.
Yeah.
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Of course. I mean, we're out here shitposting for nickels. We can take care of the boys. I do think that there is a bonus stranger thing episode coming out. I'm fully in on conformity theory for anybody.
Conformity gate. I just want to put that on record. I saw you and Cohn going back and forth about this. I love when you and Cohn have aligned interests and can actually just talk about something instead of. battling on the internet, which is normally what it is, but it was nice to see you two doing that.
Okay. I'm really happy I met Cone. Had I not met Cohn for those nine minutes I hung out with Cohn. Yeah.
I think that's a game changer. And I see clearly now. Cohn was always right. Cohn, I'm going to get a hat that says Cohn was right about everything. Put it on the Winklerverse store.
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All right, not knowing what you've talked about elsewhere. I want to at least venture. There's not a lot of elsewhere to be had, Paul.
Well, you've already recorded with Danny. Maybe you got into this.
Okay, but that's not Winkler versus Cannon yet. True. You're actually beating Parkinson. Like, you have greens here. You have the first crack at this.
Yes. Good, good, good. All right, here's what I want to ask. Because I think it's applicable to the three of us. Wait, um Before I do.
Grant, are you equal parts Brewers fan, P Packers fan? I think I am 10 out of 10 of all of our teams. It just depends on the time of year. Bart, are you equal parts Brewers fan, Packers fan? I have also felt that, Grant.
There are times when I'll say to myself, I love the Brewers more than my other teams. Yeah.
But if I were to take a step back... Um It's probably like I was going to say 40, 30, 30. It's probably 80, 10, 10. Who's the 80 Packers? A Packers.
Oh, really?
Okay. All right.
I think I'm closer to equal parts. Buck's probably at the bottom, but that's more just an NBA thing these days. That can change year to year, though.
So I'm close to it, Paul, to answer your question, Portland.
So maybe it'll be the most applicable for me and Grant. But I think, Bart, you can get the best. I don't know. I feel like I've betrayed myself to say 80, 10, 10, but. Clearly, the Packers are my number one.
Sure.
Well, it's January. They're about to play a playoff game.
So that's my point. They play less. But I'm telling you, if the Brewers, if the MLB ever goes to my 17-game schedule idea, The Brewers would be number one with a bullet. I don't know what that means. It means whatever you want to me.
What does it mean? From the lens that someone is an equal Brewers and Packers fan. No matter how this Packers Bear game goes, this will not be as painful as the Brewers' Cubs series because at least it's not happening over the course of a week. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
In other words, would you rather experience The rivalry of all rivalries for your team over the course of a week. Or of three hours.
So I'm going to say, no matter how this Packers Bears game goes. It will not be as painful. from a fat experience. as the Brewers Cub series was because at least this isn't happening over the course of a week. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. I think mm-hmm. This will not be as painful, but it has nothing to do with the time frame. And I'll lay my cards on the table and continue to reveal what a massive loser I am. It has everything to do with the fact that Craig Counsel is managing the Cubs.
If not for that, I think these two things would be pretty equal. Like that, the fact that council was managed, that was not, it could not happen. That that just straight up was a thing that they could not happen after the year they had. Yeah.
So I actually had a segment called the Monday Mailbag on my program where people Tony from Texas asked if I would ever consider marrying a much older woman for the money so I could just continue to do radio my whole life. I couldn't give him a good answer. But someone also asked: would you guarantee a Packers win Saturday if it meant the Brewers would lose a playoff series to the Cubs somewhere down the line? I said, no. No, not as long as Cred Council is there.
Yeah, I um I'm just mulling over my idea. And my answer As I mull over the Man, there are some really good savings on the internet, including 25% off each and every order at happyplacehemp.com. Promo code is BART for your gummies, tinctures, balms, et cetera. Um I feel like tonight could be a good night to drift away. Oh, I'm doing a Bucks Warriors postgame tomorrow, too.
Due. Um Which I 'cause I was just thinking of my drift schedule. I try to make sure I drift after. These productions. Although you never tell by the Crows that have stamped their feet all over my fucking face.
Are you taking a vacation soon? Because I think I found your bags, they're under your eyes. I was at the uh 1250 studio today to drop off a laptop. And there's a big picture of me still outside of the room. Like a sticker, like a fat head.
They had it in one spot, then they took me down, then I got rehired, and so they brought me back out.
Now I don't know what they're going to do with it. Fob doesn't work anymore. That broke my heart. But A guy was looking at my face and he goes You were hung over when you took this picture. And I go, no, sir, those are the ledges that sit underneath my eyes at all times.
Like Ants will come and colonize on these things.
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Brewers and Cubs was, even though you can look back and say, okay, Packers, Bears have played. A lifetime ago. And that's one of the things I'm trying to preach is that. The Packers' Super Bowl success was a generation ago, essentially. 2010 is not 2020.
This was a long time ago. There nobody's there. That was there. We got a new president. For Christ's sake.
Okay, that Packer thing happened. And you should relish it. But let me uh no, it's not, yeah. 2010. is closer to 1996.
Then 2026 Oh, that's gonna be a tweet. Right fucking when Paul comes back. I'm going right to my goddamn phone. You know, I had a guy come and try to sell me uh phone the other day. And I hate answering questions to these people because I think they're fishing to try to rob you.
But people always come to my door. He's like, what kind of phone do you have? Is it an iPhone fifteen or a sixteen? I'm not fucking telling you that. I don't even know what kind of iPhone I have.
Let me look. And he's like Can I can I just ask, I gave you a great deal. Why won't you buy from me? I said, I'm not in the business of purchasing things from my door. But they keep coming.
And so I got to get that. If somebody here is a business idea. Here's a business idea. Go door to door. Selling No soliciting signs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sounds like an impractical joker's bit. If somebody came to my door to sell it to me, I would buy it. I just appreciate the bet. Hey, do you hate being bothered like this? Get one of these for your door.
Ten bucks. I have an iPhone 12. Problem is you can't really. Paul, I didn't really answer your question yet. Would you like to?
Grant said it's the council factor. Yeah, I heard a little bit about it. Then I went into a Soft comedy bit about how I want to go door to door selling no soliciting signs. Yeah.
Laughed at that. Are you kidding? That's really funny. Is that an original? I just came up with it.
You can watch it all live happen in the brain. What do you Okay, Grant, you're being it. That's no, no, no, no, no. I just hate how he gets two pops out of this because you pop back in. That's fine.
I'll get Shay in here and I'll do it one more time. He'll be like, Funny, Bart. Oh, that's funny. This isn't because it's you. But like If that was like the leading bit or the recurring bit that a comedian of I'd be like, this is why I like this comedian.
That's that's very clever, man. Very Larry David coded. Yeah.
Well, as you know, I did not grow up listening to sports radio. I grew up watching Conan O'Brien and. I've seen the articles. What I really watched a lot was MTV's Undressed. Which one was that?
It was like the softest core porn that When you're 15 and you have a T V in your room. It works. Was that before or after your Interest in the Hansen Brothers. After. And I thought they were sisters.
And that's fine. I remember that episode of the Bart Winkler podcast you had with Rami, where you guys talked about your influences and you talked about beating off into a Kleenex. How many years ago was that? Why do I remember that? I almost missed this.
This is content. Anyways. The timeline is irrelevant to me. Like one football game, we're going to tweet about it for a week the same way we would tweet about Brewers. You have to use a Kleenex and not paper towel because they're easier to flush.
You shouldn't flush either. Yeah.
Tim? I M I think, Paul, I think they affected one another. Oh, okay. I don't think I can give you the real answer.
So is this what this one's harder because you went through that? No, so it's not as hard. It's not as hard. Easier because you went through that.
Okay. Um And even though they won. The Brewers Here's another line that you'll hear tomorrow. Parkins was like, What the fuck are you saying? basically.
I said, the Brewers won the baseball games, but the Cubs won the series. And he's like, no, they didn't. I'm gonna echo Danny. What the fuck? Whoa, what's the lasting?
What's the lasting? What has stood out from if you think Brewers' Cubs played in the playoffs? What do you think? I think what you're going to say is that they then got demolished by the Dodgers, right? The L flag?
Yep. Oh, that is, that's too, that's, that's too. Online. That's exactly what he said. I think that's a great point, Paul.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Way too online. I remember the Brewers beating the Cubs. And honestly. I'm just realizing this in the moment, have completely downplayed to the point of forgetting. But the season then continued thereafter.
Yeah, I'm totally because it was our that was our World Series. There's no doubt about it. At the time, we said this is probably the Brewers World Series. Yes. And that sounds like a stupid thing to say because they still have a chance to keep going.
No, they didn't. I'm telling you, three months ago. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. Yes, they did.
Nobody thought they were getting swept by the Doctor. No, no. That's true. Four runs. But I have.
Dismissed. My brain has chosen to eliminate and remove that part of it in the sense of just. They beat the Cubs, and that was a crazy series. And the reason I'm thinking, I think if the Brewers Cubs series hadn't been 2-0 Brewers. 2-2 momentum swinging.
I mean, until you go into the fourth quarter, per se, of that baseball series, and then you've got like this. You know, well, what if Saturday ends up being the exact same as the game a few weeks ago? That's what I'm saying. What is harder? To me, it's unequivocally like.
If you're equal parts Brewers or Packers fan, and the Packers game plays out similarly, regardless of the win or the loss. I think the baseball series is way harder as a fan. Because of this, because you have to go to sleep like six times, one, two, three of those nights. Right. And one in three of those where you feel great.
You're like 2-0, playing great. Cubs come in and win one. You're like, yeah, but you still. And then it's 2-2. And now it's like, now you're feeling existential dread as a Brewers fan that not only did you possibly lose the series, which they didn't.
But that you're going to do it having been up to O, which is way more painful than 10112122.
Now the series is over.
So I mean, I think the only thing that would make it more difficult if you're putting on the hat of equal parts brewers fan, equal parts Packers fan. is if the Packers are up 10 in the fourth. and lose. But like that would be. You know.
more difficult because that would actually be the equivalent of being up too well in the series. Only for it to be a close game. Like, even if the Packers end up being the Bears, if they go into the fourth quarter with a double-digit lead. Um So I think for me, it's worse that it's spread out over a week. as opposed to but I guess those moments of dread Are probably more intense in the fourth quarter of the football game.
Well, I'll tell you, I do think, I think this is worse. Or better. It's going to depend on the outcome. Because how many times have you even talked about Brewers' Cubs since? I don't much I've talked about it, but I've thought about it.
Like I really If the Packers can go to Chicago. and completely murder. The joy from a month ago? Oh. We are then going to have that.
Over Chicago forever. Like, yeah, okay.
Well, you beat us, but then we beat you. You know, a month. It's a complete reversal. It's the Bears just had their best season, not ever, but in a long time. New coach, it's all clicking.
Oh, and who could ruin it and make it feel like it never happened? The Packers, you're right. But if the Bears win versus the Brewers Cubs. If the Bears win. I think I told someone this last night online.
where I live. Like I married into a family of Bears fans. The win this weekend would be like a joke, they say, in my eulogy. Like, oh, that bart guy, he's known to lose a temper. I've never seen him as mad as when the Packers beat the Bears.
Four months ago. Yeah.
Assuming I'm going to die soon. That's the joke. I just think that's more commentary on. And like again, Bears fans are Are clinging for anything over the Packers, just like Brewers fans are clinging for any, you know what I mean? Like it's a complete and total reversal.
So, yeah, if the Bears win, They'll hold it over Packers fans, but to me, that's like, yeah, okay, well, that's. And the fan bases are going, the fan bases are going in different directions here because in 20, like, the Cubs won the World Series. Yeah, not 2010, but 2016. And sure, the Brewers have, by the way, over-under on wins is up to 87.5 for next season. Whoa.
That is them not wanting to get burned again. That's all that is. Under. Um I'm a proverbial under guy. Are you?
I like being under. Seems like Freddy Pralta might actually be traded now, so that's you can factor that in. What? What's that about? I don't know, just what Rosenthal said today.
Oh, he said they'll get a bigger package for Peralta than they did for Burns. I'm like, well, that's not saying anything, but good to know. Yeah, you didn't. I know we don't have the tangent, but I remember you didn't like, even at the time, you didn't like the return on Burns. No, he didn't.
The other thing was not to just completely make this a preview of me talking to a TV star tomorrow. Yeah, is Parkinson coming on this week? I haven't heard it mentioned. But um I I tried to explain to him like This is just another Saturday in January for me. Did he believe that?
No. Do you believe that? Yeah.
I try to tell people all the time, like, they think being a Packer fan is so great because you had 30 years of great quarterback play. And you go to the playoffs all the time, and these other fan bases will say to you. Oh, I would kill for that level of success. And now I think I'm going to end up, see, I can't, I shouldn't. I'm gonna end up Basically don't listen to tomorrow's episode because now this is something I told SparkGuy.
was The Lions thought they would kill for Packers success. Right? Until you've dealt with the post-game. I know I've said it in my basement, though. Then they blew an NFC championship game, were the one seat and choked at home, and now still at a winning record, but missed the playoffs.
God, what does that fucking sound like? That's Packer football right there. Yeah, do it for 20 years. Bears fans are coming into this. We're hosting a playoff game.
You know, there's all the excitement when you're bad for us. See, we need a come down. This is the worst part about the bites of the apple theory: you stop appreciating the taste of the apple. Yes. We need a come down.
We need to not be fed apples for a while so that someone can be like. You know, it's like when Wendy's left Fond du Lac. Wendy's left Bond du Lac in like 2001 because they weren't serving Wendy's. They were serving cocaine out of the drive-thru. Not Wendy's specifically, but the people that were working there.
It was well known in Fond du Lac: if you wanted a little of snow powder, you went to fucking Wendy's. Day. Mm-hmm. Then they took it away from Fond du Lac. And we would want Wendy sometimes.
So we would have to get in our fucking car and drive to Appleton just to get a fucking Frosty. And now Wendy's is back in Fond du Lac. Uh-oh. And now the people love Wendy's more than ever because you took it away from them. That's actually a bizarre but great analogy.
Thank you. We are fed the same shit every year. Here's your playoff loss, sir. Should we fire the coach? How could you fire the coach?
I want it. We. We have this coach that every time, and we said this with McCarthy. And they say this with Tomlin.
Well, you fire the coach, he'll be hired the minute he walks out the door. Why isn't he winning Super Bowls then? Why are we getting so far and tripping on our own dick? I I was saying this, uh but you can't listen to what I'm saying. And be a Bears fan and make it make sense.
You might not even, it might not even make sense to you as a Packer fan. You might just not, some people, look, all Packer fans are not created equal. I, we, I understand that. But for me. There's like And I can see it with my kid.
He's excited for the playoffs. Sure.
Poor bad. I am not. I am. I am Regardless of the Packers' outcome, I'm extremely excited for the NFL program. I'm excited to be excited for the playoffs.
I'm excited for the other game. Us lose. Totally. I'm excited for the other games. We talked about this before we started.
I agree with your premise, Mike. I'm going to get to where I've been. Until they have a fourth quarter lead that is insurmountable in the NFC championship game. And this is the video game thing. I'm sorry.
And yes, it makes me spoiled and entitled. Sure.
Fucking right. Every other team would have had at least two Super Bowls with 30 years of Hall of Fame quarterback play. And I'm sorry that at age 41, watching this team really be good my entire life. I'm sorry, I can't get as hype. For a seven-seed Road Warrior.
Well, they did it in 2010. Magic bullshit fucking thing. I can't. I just can't. I do think there's a correlation of age and thus number of years experiencing.
Packers playoff games, Bucs, Pat Brewers, like it's going to have a cumulative effect. You can't just experience. This year's playoffs in isolation of Everything you've been through.
So, like, I would understand that when you've spent your high school years, you know, snowbagging a Wendy's drive-through, I mean, you don't really find that high anymore. I might have shared this story on the pod previously, but in case I haven't, and either way, I think it's relevant. I mean, Bart has already teased his next two episodes that haven't aired yet.
So I think it's okay if I recall something from a year ago. Um But the thing that stuck to me that, as you were saying all of that, Bart, is when I was covering the team and Josh Sitton. Was talking at his locker after losing the playoff game. And I think it was after the Seattle debacle that cost. me a trip to the Super Bowl.
Uh make it all about me. Media. There you go. Cost me a trip to the Super Bowl. And he was saying, I believe it was after that game, the next day at the locker.
It was definitely after a playoff loss. And he said, I would have much rather just been. had a bad season where we didn't even make the playoffs. Rather than Be minutes away from the Super Bowl and then have it stripped away and taken away by something that You know, Josh Sitton, for example, couldn't directly control in other than his role on the team. And myself and the other reporters at the time.
I'm pretty sure I'm speaking accurately, as they collectively said, the fuck? Like, that makes no sense. Like you'd rather have not been on the doorstep of the Super Bowl?
Well, 10 years removed, me is now thinking very differently than I did. And I'm like, oh. Absolutely. Like, that's so much more painful as a player. Speaking for his example.
I think as a fan, if it's like If in the 2015 season the Packers had just gone 4 and 12. You're telling me that wouldn't have been better? Than having a 99% chance of going to the Super Bowl and losing. See, this is, I got to step in. I agree with this premise.
I'm wrapping my arms around this thing that, like, some fan bases think. Oh, it's so great. It's like, no, man, like, it's traumatic in January when you're expecting and you're hoping for a run and it never comes. And you just year after year, you show up and it happens again. Because when you only make the playoffs every once in a while, you can lose in the second round.
And as a fan base, be like, man, that team was awesome. Like, man, they gave a, like the CC Sabathia team, right? We're gonna talk about Sabbathia forever. Like they didn't He didn't win any playoff series. He didn't go in a run, but that meant so much to us.
So, I agree with the premise. I really do. I don't agree that going four and 12 would be better, and I don't agree that we need to suck for a while. I just, what I'm saying, and I agree with your premise, is that. Going to the playoffs every year and losing is a unique challenge or unique experience that is harder than a lot of fans would.
Think if you're a fan of the Browns or whoever. But that's as far as I'll go. You guys are nuts.
So here's some of the pushback.
So, as you both know, As rarely as I tweet. Last week's conversation. And the realization That since the Packers had last won the division, every other team in the division had won the NFC North. And then I tweeted about this too. And it's like, so you want to give contract extensions.
To the two most important people who have led a team that haven't won their own division since every other team in the division has won the division.
Some of the pushback was like, well, those teams benefited from fourth-place schedules.
Well, those teams didn't make the playoffs every year. At least the Packers made the playoffs every year. That's consistency, and consistency equals success. And what I didn't say in one of the responses, but what I was going to bring here, if it came back up at all, Was So you're telling me there's a benefit to being bad for a year. You get a great draft pick.
You get a fourth place schedule. Like you're you're discrediting The other teams in the division for having a fourth place year, which led to having a fourth place schedule, which means you've got to have a better season uphead, the Patriots. right, who are the two seed in the in the in the in the AFC. Had benefit of a fourth place schedule.
So, what you're telling me is that there's good things to not always just being the Bulls, to not just always being the Packers in the case of eighth seed, eighth seed, eighth seed in the NBA, seventh seed, seventh seed, seventh seed in the FL. There are benefits, draft picking. I would just say, and then I'll conclude and be quiet. Don't like think, oh, there's so much good about being consistently fine, consistently in, but not great, because there are advantages to a year from now, three years from now. Taking advantage of the schedule and advantage of the draft picks, of taking advantage of the fact that last year had an incredible head coaching class of free agents with the top contenders for it, probably coach of the year with Vrabel and with Ben Johnson and others.
It's like it's okay to take a step back for a year. No. You don't agree with that grand? No, I understand that when that happens naturally, the league gives you some advantages. The Packers are playing a third-place schedule this year.
It's not like they went up against. We're not saying they should tank for shit season. No, no, no. Correct. I'm saying, but you also shouldn't relish.
The being consistently good thing. That's not the thing. I don't want the Packers to try and be bad, but I wouldn't mind if they were. But if they were, and you shouldn't be. Excited.
That, like, well, at least we're not. Honestly, the most comments I got back last week. was that it's an accomplishment. to never be fourth. That never being last in your own division is in itself An accomplishment.
And what I would just remind people, I want to remind you. I don't know what the Matt LaFleur Packers locker room looks like, but the Mike McCarthy Packers locker room had a giant board off on the side, and it had the team's goals.
Okay? Super Bowl, NFC North at the top among the group.
Okay. Matt says haircut once a week. Yeah, once every three days. You got to keep it tight. Um, But I promise you.
Packers. Willis merchant. Liaison. Hold on. I promise you.
That Not finishing fourth. is not among the goals. Don't bottom out this year is not among the goals. Like, be the seventh seed again is not among the goals. The goals are the Super Bowl.
and the and the division. And those haven't been accomplished since 2021. And I think if there was obviously much longer, but even the division, you've got a long, long time. To not accomplish your goal. Honey, do not make plans Saturday, January 24th, okay?
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Valot through 17 selection varies by location while supplies last. Here's the difference between me. And someone who doesn't like what I'm saying. Are are you saying you don't want a chance at the Super Bowl every year? I'm saying if we're going to keep getting chances at the Super Bowl every year, how about we get a Super Bowl?
And there's still too many people that are factoring in 2010. As being part of this run. Which I told Grant when you were gone. Uh ninety-six is closer to twenty twenty ta uh ugu g pa pump pump pump wo bad tick kick kick good that the tick do Jesus Christ. I need new batteries.
I saw that. That also means I lose my last hour of memory. Whoa, we're doing this today. Hey, great idea for a job. Door-to-door salesman, selling no solicitor.
Science. You should pro promote Danny. You haven't done that yet. Danny Parkinson Do you guys know about that? That's going to be a secret.
Uh so they it 2010 is a long time ago. And I don't think people Calculate that. I also don't think getting a Super Bowl with Rodgers and Favre was that special because every team. Would have been able to do it with 15 years.
So, even if we had one extra Super Bowl, like if Rogers got another one, not even in 20. Or 16, whenever the fuck. Mm-hmm. It would be different. Do you understand the Bills, the Bengals, and the Ravens are all very actively like?
Failing to win Super Bowls right now with quarterbacks who are all brilliant, MVP level guys, Hall of Fame level guys. Mm. Yeah, but if they have 15 years of them and then 15 years of another one of them that was better. Does it feel like any of those teams are going to win a Super Bowl with their guys? Because to me, I would bet against it.
I'm not excusing like only one, but God, like. They did win the they won a super bowl. That is something that happened. It doesn't mean that I don't want them to try as hard now, but to dismiss that as respectfully, though, Grant. You, a twenty-seven year old adult male?
Correct. That's the cursed year. Shit.
Well, you're telling me to continue forward. You were in middle school. At the time. It was. I was in seventh grade.
long time ago. Long time ago. You know what? You're right. It's been 10 years since I covered the Packers.
It feels like a lifetime ago. And the Packers Super Bowl happened. Prior to me beginning my five years as a Packers beat reporter. That's how long it predates me today. It was a different lifetime.
That's true. I hadn't thought, you know what? They should try harder to win a Super Bowl. I didn't realize it had done that. I know you're being a sarcastic.
It's been 10 years since you had that job. Hold on. Yeah.
Spent one week since I had mine. I know you're being sarcastic. One week since you looked at me, cocked your head to the side, and said, I'm angry. The other day, um I don't make lyrics. I remember something that I Tweeted in, like, what year did Trevor Lawrence get drafted?
Like, 2019? Trevor Lawrence was like The hottest QB draft prospect in a while at the time. Generational. Who, by the way, obviously had a Eh, start to his career, and now is no one watches Jacksonville. Is now very good.
Here's the reason I bring that up. I remember posting in whatever season preceded the Trevor Lawrence draft. that I thought the best case scenario Because I'm never thinking next season. I'm thinking about the next collection of three to five to 10 years. That's how my brain operates.
And I remember tweeting and getting tons of pushback about what an idiot I was. You don't think day by day, you think long form. I do, I always, always. I remember saying, and the most pushback I got that I can remember. Was saying that the best case scenario.
for the Packers was to Not on purpose, but to have a really bad year. Draft Trevor Lawrence one overall and then set yourself up for the next 10 to 12 to 15 years of quarterback play. The point is, you can, it's okay, not on purpose, not tinking, to take a step back. Take advantage of the schedule that comes with the fourth place, to take advantage of the draft picks that come with the fourth place, take advantage of sometimes then being able to re-explore. the market of available coaches.
And then hope that your year that you don't have to re-sign your Mid head coach doesn't happen to be a year when the potential replacements at head coach. are also mid. Like, I think it's fair when people push back at us and they've said to us and to me, like, well, who are you going to replace them with? I know, Grant, that's your eye roll question that you might get. Last year, that would have been a very, very, very easy question to answer because there were, and not just in hindsight of like how Vrabel has done, how Ben Johnson has done.
It was pretty easy, at least for me at the time, to say, like, this is an incredible crop of head coaching candidates. It's not that this year. If Harblog gets cut, obviously Stefanski already has been. There's some. Good options?
Are they better than the floor? I don't know. I know that they are or are not. Stefanski is Matt LaFleur without the winning. Like, why would I want?
Well, why would I want a shittier version of the guy everyone already hates? I don't want that. I have no interest in that. He's the.
So, you're going to give, let me just make sure I present sense. I'm about to get feisty. You're going to give LaFleur credit for the wins with Rogers. And then discredit Stefansky for his losses with the Browns. I guess I don't.
I don't I don't, I know. You're shooting on Stefansky's winning, his win-loss record. While coaching the Browns. while crediting LeFleur's wins by benefiting from having thirty-five-year-old Aaron Rodgers. We would be firing Matt LaFleur to hire the mystery box that might be Matt LaFleur.
That doesn't make sense to me. What Paul's saying is last year, you knew the boxes were better than Matt LaFleur. And if you knew that, you didn't know that to a certainty.
Well, listen, we all have good opinions that have proven to be right, and opinions that have proven to be wrong. I was You know. Ben Johnson was like, you throw everything out of the window so you can hire Ben Johnson. Like, that. And I think I look pretty good for that take, even if my other takes have been not so good.
You guys are such prisoners of the moment. What if the Bears lose this weekend and then they're subfighting, and then they go? Yeah, by the way, I do think the Packers, I think the Packers are going to win.
So I don't know. Like last year was like, I can't believe if only the Patriots had Jaden Daniels, and everyone was apoplectic last season about that. And this year they sucked and they just fired Cliff Kingsbury, who people thought, well, they should other teams should fire that guy as a head coach. I just think it's. It's so difficult.
Paul, you're a long form guy, but you take such a, in your long form, you take such a small snip current snip of the NFL. I would say that I'm always more than most, I think. You hear me Willing to take a risk. on change leading to a better or worse outcome rather than the consistent i mean that's generally how I would think. Maybe that now, if you know what your current situation is, and you know that you're going to keep being.
Average to good. Packers have been average to good. In the past. Post. Rodgers, and even a little bit pre, like during the Rogers.
They've been better than average. They've been in the playoffs all year. I think. I think average on the low average is a floor is a little How many, I'm going to be a real prick about it. How many teams make the NFL playoffs each year right now?
14. And there are 30. How many teams are in the NFL? 32.
So you have to be just slightly, slightly above average. There you go. To be a seven seed. Better than average to very good. Not average, average.
A nine to eight team that plays for a tie instead of I'll compromise. You have to be slightly above average to good. And the Packers have been slightly above average to good. I would be okay taking the risk. That if there was a different option, that there could have been, if you're like, if you're not scared to be the third or fourth place team, scared money don't make money.
You know what? But I'm actually like, I know I know we balance between like our serious takes and our silliness, but like this is one that I would stand behind. It's like, it's okay. And I said this to one of my replies last week, this when someone was saying, who veterans is out there? And I would just say, it's okay to take a risk.
Like if you know what your current situation is and it's slightly above average to good. And by making a change, you might become elite. or bad. I think that's a good idea. There you go.
Uh we can end my rant there.
Well, we got a few minutes. Did you? I want to remind you. No, go ahead. I don't did you I just wanted to talk about the playoffs for a second and I I do.
I was worried you might have a Bucks one, and I was just going to. I don't. I was going to fucking just kick my head into a garbage. I don't. It's an NFL playoff one.
Okay. Ready? Last thing I need is a. If Kuzma's salary can match Zach Levine's. Speaking of, I thought of you because Trey Young.
Oh, Doc Tree Young. We got Doc Tree Young Scenarios. And I thought of your alien take. I think Trey Young missed his window. I think NBA trades just on the level might have missed their window.
I don't know that anyone gives a I I mean, I don't give a shit anymore, but I thought about John Moran gets traded. I will, I will put my fucking dick in a shoe shiner. There are people who rush to their laptops to record. People recorded Emergency Trey Young podcasts yesterday. Think about that for a second.
Paul. All right.
Go ahead. All right.
So here's, here's, I thought about in honor of you doing the national perspective with Carlos Ortiz, Carlos with a capitalist. Do you like that I named it that? I do. I like the national perspective. That's how I always refer to it in our text: Capital, the, Capital National, Capital Perspective.
I just I almost decided to like grab an old Cena Cena's Carlos. I heard him say to you, Bart. didn't grab the files. From his hard drive, and they might be lost forever. I was going to maybe go and like record off of a podcast if you wanted.
And have to like It's the bargeometer. I was gonna like So I didn't. But I'm gonna at least give you the top three. And I don't I'm not confident in these at all of what the top three would have been for a bardo meter.
Well, this is important because me and my buddy do this like best ball playoff.
So I need three teams to ride. And I'm trying to figure out who that is. And I think I only know one right now. This might not fully get you there because of the way I'm gonna take it. I wanna know the three.
Preferred matchups for the Super Bowl in the NFL league office's eyes. What would be the three matchups that the NFL would prefer? Ratings, sponsorships, eyeballs, all the good stuff. The three matchups that the NFL would love the most if they could pick them.
So rather than doing top eight and coming down so I have Packer Steelers one. And I and I'm wondering if that's bias. No, dude, I just want to say this. I'm glad. That Once I bailed on Rodgers.
I'm glad that I still got to have my cake and eat it too. And enjoy watching Rogers play football for one more time. 'Cause I really enjoyed that the other night. And I think they're going to win because they never lose on Monday night at home. It's not nothing.
So I I enjoyed it. Packers, Steelers.
Okay, I can give you some that I came up with, but please feel free to do them on your own. But Bills, Niners. I didn't have that in my top three. I actually had Bills Rams or Bills Eagles. Steelers Niners for Rodgers.
Yeah.
There's something eagles, yeah, I suppose. But like does the NFL want the Eagles in? I don't think the I don't think the NFL wants the Eagles in. No, the Eagles are like the Chiefs only Bears annoying. I have Bears.
I have Bears Patriots, Caleb versus May. Pretty high. Oh, and too late. The NFL wants large markets. We got to talk about large markets, because is Jacksonville gonna pop a rating?
Obviously, Jackson. I believe it goes seven. Yeah.
Jacksonville is like the fifth largest metro area in the entire United States. There's a shitload of people there. They would love Chicago in the Super Bowl. This is the best market than this. I mean, what are we fucking even talking about here?
Yes, I'm way online. I'm too online. I had Patriots bears really high, both because of the teams, the markets, and the rematch. Oh, yeah. The markets.
Patrix Bears for sure. And then I thought Bills Rams, just because you could have Josh Allen versus Matthew Stafford, two of the top three. Uh, MBP. They don't care the NFL don't give a shit about the Rams. Yeah, well, I mean I think the well, there's a lot of ones that could be the worst, but like Chargers Rams, the two LA teams, like, yes, it's ginormous market, but The fan bases are obviously the worst matchup.
Jaguars Panthers. No, I think Jags would be. Both East Coast, both. Oh, fuck. You know, I completely forgot Carolina's in the playoffs.
Just, I forgot.
Alright, so guys, name some that you might nominate here. And are any bigger while Grant's thinking that over You like Paris Patriots? I I I think the Eagles are going to beat the Niners. I like how you'd leaned into your microphone for that hot take. Do you notice it's a different mic?
I did notice. I was going to comment earlier. It's not a new mic yet, but I've had it. It sounds different. From the NFL league offices, like how do we draw the most money and the biggest rating perspective?
I don't think Seattle's in that conversation. Cowherd says, Pacific Northwest. I mean, again, who's the most marketable Seahawk? It's basically Canada. You can walk to Vancouver, beautiful city.
I go there with my wife. Grant, who's the most marketable Seahawk? Jackson Smith and Jigba? Sam Darnold? Uh Smith and Jigby, yeah, probably.
I just don't know if that's Great players. Great wide receiver, good quarterback. Charbonnet. Charbonate. Charbonnet, you're right.
Charbonnet. Charbonnet. I'm going to nominate Packers Steelers as number one, the NFL's preferred. Matchup. I don't think that that's overly regionally biased.
Bills Niners would be all Berman, Berman, Berman. Either the Packers would be winning their first Super Bowl in 15 years, or Rodgers would be going out against the Packers, potentially out into the sunset with that win and winning his second Super Bowl after having never even been back since that one 15 years ago, doing it with the Steelers, who the Packers beat 15 years ago in the only one that Rodgers won. Fuck. Guys. Guys.
If Matt LaFleur and Brian Goudekins. Get to the Super Bowl. But then lose to the quarterback that they sent out of town. Oh, no. They have to be fired, man.
They have to be. I promise you, if they get to the Super Bowl, they are both well retained. Oh man. Oh, that would be bad. That would be bad.
Yeah, if that matchup were to miraculously happen, Packers, Steelers. They can't They can't then lose Rogers. But that matchup would be... The I think the NFL's best. And I'm not sure it's.
And it'd be insane. See, I think him playing against the Niners, he could never beat them as a Packer, and then he beats them with the Steelers. That'd be something. I think that'd be something. I don't think it's remotely on the level of against the Packers, against Rodgers, against the Packers, with the Steelers.
Do you ever stink so bad that you're like. I actually kind of like this. It's not too stinky, but it... I don't know. I kind of think that you break through to the other side where it's like, yeah, I guess this is just how I felt.
Yeah.
Like right now I stink, but I like like the stink it is. I think there's a certain masculine thing behind that. Paul, I can't imagine you would agree with that. Not that you're not masculine. Paul doesn't smell.
In sniffs, he smells one long, long form. He'll never just smell one thing, he'll smell the whole room around. No, see what it is. It's the cumulative of the past years smells averaged out. over the course of the year.
What's what's your SQI, your smell quality index? And how many how many particles per odor? The PPO are you working with? Yeah.
You fucking nerd. All right.
All right.
If there is a mysterious stranger things, I'll have a live recap. I will hold on my Kuzma question.
Well, you could also join me tomorrow night. Box Warriors Postgame Show. For real? Hell yeah. I'm gonna do select Post games.
A limited package of post games. Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh when will be the next one? Wait, are you or are you not doing that? Grant, what's your guess? What's the date? Oh, it's 2026.
I'm doing it tomorrow.
Okay. But then he started saying, When's the next one? I'm like, Okay. You mean after that? Yeah, I'm not going to do it on Friday.
Grant, while he searches. Do you have a As you've looked at the playoff schedule, do you have a quick top three that you'd nominate here? Super Bowl matchups, NFL. If I was the NFL. If you're the NFL.
Uh, I mean, Packers, Steelers would probably be there. I think Bears, Patriots would be into the league, and maybe Rams, Bills, Josh Allen. We have the same top three then. We have the same top three then. I don't think the Eagles are.
I think we've had enough of the Eagles. The Texans, it's funny, nobody mentioned the Broncos. I don't I don't think they merit mention there. I don't I I choose to no longer believe in their existence. I don't like Sean Payton and the altitude is unfair.
Yeah.
A tried and true winkler tape. And I'll leave on this bad news that I will not comment on, but I did see. Doug Gottlieb's Phoenix beat Bart Lundy's Panthers last night. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Gottlieb's been a net positive for Green Bay and the Horizon League this year. Don't answer that. I have to go to the bathroom, but stuff. All right, boys. Just a parting shot on the way out the door.
I'm trying to get Gottlieb on. He already ignored my last request. Wonder why. Oh, hey. The Packers have signed Desmond Ritter from the practice squad to the active roster and released Clayton Toon.
Hmm. Tom Pellisero. All right, we should.
So, yeah, I gotta close this one. I'm gonna do an emergency.
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