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After the Packers play. How many live streams are happening on your feed right now? I'm happy to be buried amongst them. Welcome into the Winklerverse, or maybe you're listening to this. On a Sunday night or Monday or later in the week, after you've listened to Everybody's everybody else is thrilling.
content. Packers beat the Giants twenty seven to twenty. I will hold off. On any of the Matt LaFleur hatred. For now.
I'm not fond of how this went today from a Matt LaFleur perspective, but. I am happy that the Packers won. Yes, I am happy. The Packers won. I think everybody should be.
Picture the two different timelines.
Okay. Packers win. Sigh of relief. There's still plenty ahead of them. Plenty to play for.
I did not check out the early games as much I would have liked to. Um I'm just realizing what happened in the Chicago And Minnesota game. Did they walk him off with a field goal? Uh, yeah. All right, so congratulations to Kairo Santos and the Bears, who improved to seven and three, Minnesota four and six.
Detroit plays Sunday night. They're 6-3. Uh so Chicago, as of this sentence. First place in the NFC North on the 16th of November. Congratulations to them.
Um Do they put the banner on the south end of that stadium for that or the north? I forget. Where mid-December banners go. But that's a game that, if you're a Packer fan, you're looking at and wishing that the Vikings would have won. Because The the playoffs are not a guarantee for Green Bay.
So the timeline that we're on is where the Packers won. And right now the Packers sit at uh six, three and one. Which Has them in seventh.
Now, there's a bunch of teams that have not played yet. or are still wrapping up. where the results Are going to be interesting. The 49ers have a real cake schedule coming up. They've already scored.
Oh, McCaffrey, nice.
So they've already scored. I think they're going to have 10 wins by the middle of December.
So I'm thinking that they're. Getting in the postseason. Um Your your path is going to be winning the NFC North. Or One of these wild cards, obviously.
So, who are you contending with? You're contending with Carolina. Who I guess we're watching to hope that they lose. Because then there would be some more padding, but then you're going to get into a race, really, with the loser of this Rams Seahawks game, the Bears and the 49ers.
So the Packers, they are in I mean, so if the Niners win, they're seven and four, Packers six, three and one. Do we get the edge on that? I don't know. But the Packers are in no. comfortable situation.
Alright, just play Packer football and and You're gonna make the playoffs. They need to win a lot of games that are hard that are coming up.
So they absolutely needed to win this one. This was a must-win. I don't care. If we don't like throwing that word around or what. If they didn't win this one.
They would be screwed. They have the Vikings next week. Which Vikings aren't looking great. That's at home. Hopefully you can get a win there.
That would be win number seven. You have the Bears twice. Let's say we split with them. Conservatively, so that's eight. You're at the Lions and Vikings.
And Broncos? And then the Ravens.
So of those, if you split the Bears and beat the Vikings. of Lions, Ravens, Vikings on the road. And Bronco's on the road. You'll need to win two of those just to get to ten wins. And again, Chicago.
Has seven wins, so let's they let's say they split with you. They're at eight wins. They have the Steelers at the Eagles, Browns. Niners Lions. I mean, the Bears are looking like 10 wins is possible.
And then again, with the 49ers. I mentioned their schedule. I'll just tell it to you. It's Cardinals, Panthers, Browns, Titans the next the next four.
So that's not great. And we're going to see how this Carolina game. Ends up Because if they win, they're six and five and they're still in. The Mex So there's a lot. That is not guaranteed here at all.
for the Packers up to this point.
So again, the timeline that we're in. Is good. They won a game. There's a lot that sucked. In that game.
You don't like them, the Giants? Constantly having fourth downs that they convert. Was it three on that one series? Um You don't like that the receivers couldn't catch? You don't like that the cornerbacks couldn't catch for most of the game, or anybody in the secondary.
There was a lot, there's a lot. A bad here, but the timeline we're in. is we have to be thankful For a win. Because The math is getting a little tricky. For the Packers to make the playoffs.
Of course, if they, like, yeah, that's where we're at. They're 6'3 and 1. If you're in La Fleur Nation. This has nothing to do with LaFleur. I'm telling you just where they're at.
There are probably eight teams fighting for seven spots. There are eight teams fighting for seven spots.
So they had to win today. because of the math. And I wanted them to win today. I did not want them to lose. To the Giants.
That timeline. is a stinky one. That timeline, oh, the Panthers scored. That timeline, the Packers lose. Three games in a row.
Um Matt LaFleur is Having a press conference. Wondering if it's his last. Like whether or not they would have fired him after a loss He would be going into this game. Or going into the press conference and going onto the plane wondering if his job was safe. Like he he would need to know.
On Monday, that his key card worked. And he would not uh Not have to hope what I get all too often in this business. is a 8.30 a.m. email. that says you have a noon zoom.
in which you're going to be uh told that the it's not it's not happening anymore.
So I I hope that uh for Matt LaFleur's sake He doesn't get that email and it does not look like that he will. After the Packers won this game.
So I think now LaFleur is safe. for the rest of the season. I can still be Fire LaFleur, man. I still do not like him. I don't think That the players necessarily are playing for him.
I don't think they're not playing, I don't think they're playing against him. But I don't think he's doing anything to inspire. Like, nobody's like, we got to win it for coach. Or Coach believes in me. I'm going to give my all on the field.
We know there's been a lot said last couple of weeks. We wanted to go out there and show it to Matt that we got his back. That that that's not happening. And, you know, maybe it doesn't need to, but for Matt LaFleur right now. He's going to be the coach.
This was the. This was the moat. Then he did have to get over. He found a bridge. You know, it's shark-infested alligators.
whatever. Um I would like a moat. If I ever get a dream home. Uh not that not we're not not that this. You know, it's not my dream home, but if I could ever build from scratch.
Uh I would include a moat. I would include them out.
So Matt LeFlore got over the moat. You'll be safe for the rest. of the season.
Now, what is going to happen at the end of the season is going to. Be determined by what happens at the end of the season. If Matt LaFleur Gets to the playoffs as a six or a seven. Yeah. If he gets us to playoffs as a six or seven, then he'll be fine.
Or no, he won't be. If they lose, he'll be screwed. If they win, I still think NFC championship game is bare minimum. And I wonder if Super Bowl or bust is not what Ed Policy and the decision makers. Up in those offices of which I am included as an owner, are one of them.
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Oh, stop. Look at you. Is that your basement, Jake? No, no, no. I'm at a uh a local facility.
That's on the the north wing of your of your home? Yeah, no, that one day that's the goal. Might be a little echoey in here. Yeah, I don't know about you guys. I'm like totally way more in on the floor now than I was last week, right?
You think you should be fired more today?
Well, I mean, no. My my point is like... There's probably people that You know, they're holding on to like, oh, he won.
So, like, maybe people will leave him alone. And it's like, yeah, no, that's, if anything, I'm a little bit more in on fire LaFleur. Cause well, this, and this, Jake, this was a similar, like. Kind of game. That they've been playing for the last Few weeks.
It's that the other team is going to get an opportunity to beat you. Because you're not doing anything to Spread it out, and I'm going to give it back to you. I'm also going to go four box here. Yeah. So, Jake, you can take the serve, but we are bringing Ben L.
Into the proceedings. What up, guys? And it's been too long. Yeah. Our dear friend Craig Thompson.
I figured I'd jump on to be the counter to Todd. Mr. Jake up there. Him being all buff and me looking like I just spent. 22 hours at the all-you-could eat buffet.
At that point you might as well go the full day, Craig. What's that? If you're going twenty two hours, you might as well go the full twenty four. Yeah, well, I'm like the president, you know. 20 hours a day, seven days a week.
Yeah, I'll just laugh and take the time. I'll just leave that one out there to just linger. Hashtag Bubba. All right, uh, so I'll go around the box. Jake?
Uh your thoughts. Uh or wait. Yeah, no, so like it's funny you mentioned, yeah, I went to the gym to watch the game because I'm like, My apathy for this team has set in. I've just, like you were with the Brewers Bart, I'm just fully convinced. with Matt LaFleur The Packers are not going to win a Super Bowl.
So, this team should, it never really gets me excited. Cool, they won. Like, I'm happy that they won today. But it was like, it was very telling. I'd rather go get a mediocre workout in and kind of watch the game because I just don't have the passion to sit down and get into it anymore.
It's also just, it's frustrating as hell when. I feel like everybody knows, or anybody that understands football, knows that this team is built personnel-wise. To air it out, to play with tempo. And LaFleur is just dead set on this BS power running thing that he thinks he has the prime 1993 Dallas Cowboys offensive line and Derrick Henry in the backfield. And you're setting your quarterback up to fail when you're not running an offense that's conducive to his talents.
And then, lo and behold, when every time they're forced to air it out, they look great. The ball moves, there's rhythm. We're getting big chunk plays, but it's like he has to be backed into a corner for that to happen. And I'm just tired of looking at his stupid face. I really am.
Ben, we've talked about LaFleur the last few weeks. If that's your take or whatever. I do agree though. I think he's safe now. I don't know if he would have been fired if they lost just because it's a long season.
But just in hold on, just in watching the game, I was wondering that, like in the fourth quarter. He had a good game. Like, I don't know. There was enough that the Packers players did wrong themselves in this game. True.
to kind of like It didn't feel as much like it did against The Browns are even uh you know, the Eagles or the Panthers. It felt more like it felt more like These stupid idiots aren't catching the football. they're not they're not hanging on to the tackles What musgrave's bag should be packed? He should be done. He's not off the team.
He's there a little while. Yeah, he got bailed out. But my take is I want to live in a timeline where Malik Willis is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. I think Jordan Love is excellent. And I think that he had an incredible game.
It was a fun game to watch.
Okay. But I just want to know. I just want to know what Malik Willis would do with this team. Like you you want to So I'd love I'd love no, no, no, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake. I'd love to see a timeline too, just to see it, but I think they would go six and eleven.
I think we've got two excellent quarterbacks on our team. I don't. Really? All right.
Well, that's my take. I think we have two very good quarterbacks. One is more running, one is more. Deep ball. I don't think Matt LaFleur wants to put the ball in the air.
I'm not going to go. I'm definitely not going to take the stance where you should have two packages or play two quarterbacks. That's not where I'm at. I just thought that when Malik came in, it boosted the offense and it did push Jordan Love to have a better game, I think. He felt the pressure just like we want Matt LaFleur to feel the pressure.
I think Jordan Love felt a little pressure. He had to get back in there after that hit, he had to show up, Malik Willis. And he did. I don't. agree with that, but you're right to think for yourself.
You think Jordan Love thought his job was on the line? No, no, I think he just was a boost. Like, like Malik Willis coming in was just a little like hit of the smelling salt for Jordan. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. I think um I had a Real that is still getting play on Facebook. Thank you, Meta and Zuck. But it's getting play because I started by saying. I think Matt LaFleur would rather have Malik Willis as the starting quarterback.
And then I said that when Malik is in there, he can just, it's the same thing when people talk about, oh, you don't have a number one receiver anymore. Your offense should be more. You're not like, I have to get it to this guy. I feel like when Jordan Love's out there, because either he can throw it deep or they've paid him the money. Lef LeFleur feels like Okay, well, we got to pass a little.
And then when Malik's in there, he's like, I can just run. I can do my end around. Malik can do RPO. I can just run the football. I'll throw it.
And this is exactly Craig, Craig. And this is exactly what happened when Malik was in last year: they ran, ran, ran. Malik's still going to be asked to make five or six throws a game as the starter. And he made his one today and then he went back out. But I do think LaFleur.
Is more comfortable with Malik Willis, not because Malik is better, but because he's much worse. I have a hot take. On the Malik situation. I think when he's in the game, LaFleur feels. Like he can just Say, oh, well, it was a backup quarterback.
You know, he does, he won't take the blame. Like a backup quarterback will always take the blame for a bad play.
So he's more willing to run. the tricky RPO with the quarterback run or Uh Throw that deep pass with Malik than he is Jordan Love. But he did open it up with Jordan Love in this game. I don't know where yeah. I think it's more that either LaFleur is just a complete dipshit that schemes the game as if Malik Willis was his quarterback.
Or you have like a money ball, Billy Bean, Artie Howe situation where like you brought it up on the pod this week, Bart, where it's like, yeah, we need you to play this guy so our system works. And LaFleur's like, fuck you, I'm gonna play my guy.
Sorry if I broke the F-bomb barrier. um no i would say jordan love and like i love you ben Um but that like comment is giving me PTSD because I'm in This text thread with my in-laws, who I love dearly. And every time Green Bay is not playing well, it's get rid of love. Love is awful. What the hell is he doing?
And I'm like, maybe, just maybe, it's the five fucking drops that they had that were put right in their fucking hands in the first half. And that's why Green Bay is not moving the ball. But that's just me. I don't know. I'm going to go through some of these comments.
I had Matt in the Falls hanging out here and then I he did I don't know where he went. That's his brand. I don't know where he went.
Alright, here's some comments. I haven't read any of them yet. Justin, a win is a win even if it looks like dog poo. To comment on that, I think the game was fun to watch. I don't think it was dog poo.
Yeah, there were a lot of drops, but I thought it was a good game. It was exciting. You're an impartial observer of like if this is Sunday Night Football and a nation is watching, they're enjoying this game. As a Packer fan, I didn't feel any joy until Micah Parsons got that sack. Not with the Watson fade.
I was happy, but I also thought I thought, okay, here come the Giants, and they're going to win on a two-point conversion. It was exciting. RJ, who's been all over me online. Because my title is Jordan Love, Michael Parsons, save Matt LaFour's job. He says, save Matt LaFleur's job.
Emoji, emoji, laughing emoji. Yeah, I would say. Again, based off how the game felt. Maybe he doesn't get fired. But there was well over a 50% shot.
If they lose this game three in a row, playoffs are probably. Oh, you ha you you you would have lost his job, yes.
Well, I have a theory on that part. I think if your policy He's already made his mind up whether or not LaFleur is back next year. Whether, you know, we don't know what his mind is, but I think he knows.
So if you know he's not coming back next year, which I'm inclined to believe that that might be the case without an extension. Then I feel like they almost have to give Halfley a shot because he's gone as a head coach somewhere next year. And what's the problem? I don't think he's just automatically gone. I mean, I've heard reports that, like, if he's, you know, pretty much as the season is over, the Giants are calling him and they're going to bring him in for an interview and like, that's their guy.
Yeah, there's all these reports coming out of Atlanta. as well that LaFleur's interested in Atlanta and like How is that even a real? Like, I think that's just things being made up in Atlanta. And whatever you mentioned, I don't think is real. I don't think anybody.
That's made in heaven with Kyle Pitts. I guess. Green Magic with a $5 dony. Nice. Says if Packer fans don't enjoy winning the division.
That's a problem. Um I mean, I want to win the division. We need the Eagles to win tonight. The Bears beating the Vikings is no good. I mean, I hate that I'm.
Bulls and get the little shirt in the hat. Like, yeah, that'll be fun, but just you're not winning a Super Bowl with the guy. I will go to my grave on that one. Austin is joining the mix. Again, I don't know where Craig went.
I don't know where Matt went. Hey gang. Austin's a suitable. Austin, you beautiful son of a bitch. I miss you.
I miss you. I bet Austin's gonna light me up with my comment about Malik. Wearing a love jersey. No, he'll be nice. What do you think about the game, Austin?
I Um All right, I know the main thing that we want to do. is batch. And I'm going to do that. And I called national show and told you, what did I tell you, Bart, on that national show? LeFleur bad, receiver drops, no urgency.
I didn't have to fucking change it. Little prop comedy. I didn't have to change a single fucking note on it. Because LeFleur is bad. There is no urgency.
And receiver drops. Goodbye, Ron. No, the the the prop was excellent. Good use of time. Oh, Bart, I don't want to let this go because that's like a good bit for the show, the prop comedy.
I also, it reminded me that, like, I'm watching a game today. On Friday night, I went to the Bucs game and I got to watch Charlotte's head coach, who is decidedly with the players. And then today I get to see a head coach who is not with the players.
So it's kind of a nice yin and yang thing. What a throwback. More comments. Stallas. Tom.
Something has been off about Jacobs all year, given the chance Wilson looked like the better back. Today. Yeah. I'm waiting for Marshawn Lloyd to play football. Is that ever going to happen?
Or are we just this? No, I think he's got Joe Mixon disease. Where is Joe Mixon? He's on the Vikings and he sucks dick. I'm sorry.
I'm really fucking upset about it.
Someone did text me that their kid is watching this.
So I'm sorry for just saying that. I knew it the second I saw it. Austin, just say hashtag Bubba instead. We'll know what you mean. I think Jacobs was good when he was there.
I mean, he's averaging six yards of carry when he's in there. Wilson looked good, though. There's. There's no taking away from either of them. Um I'll say I think the running game hasn't looked as good as it did last year, but like ability-wise, when I watch Jacobs, I don't feel like he's lesser of a player than he was.
Mad in the Falls. If Irish goodbyes were an Olympic sport, I would take home the gold every time. What about an Irish come back in the bar 'cause you forgot your keys? Um I don't really do that anymore. Oh.
But anyway, um I'm feeling better about this team, but it still feels like they still. Um Defense came through at the end. Christian Watson is a huge addition because our receivers were just not getting it done as a group. That was a huge issue. It's there.
All right, we're doing a Tim Shea thing here. I mean, that's absolutely. If we make the playoffs, I got an Irish goodbye you. What is it with you? I miss you.
Get a fucking connection. You know. He is the score.
Well, it's either um Yeah, the connection or Everybody's always eating. I've been there. You got to get on the show. I've been to the Winkleverse. You can't miss it.
Yeah. You just got to get in. All right, let me read a few more. Travis says, good win, team sucks, let love throw the ball. But he did throw the ball.
Yeah, I got something on that. Andrew says the defense couldn't get off the field, but somehow figured it out. Even um Even like so I think the sequence that made me the most mad is when The Giants had that long drive. And finally, the Packers, you know, get the ball back, and then we go three and out right away. And love has to.
Did he throw down the field the golden? Is that what happened?
Well, yeah, it's very predictable. Like, if it's third and one or fourth and one and Philly has the ball, you know, it's tush-push. If it's third and one or fourth and one and Green Bay has The ball, you know that they're just Throw on the bottom. Like, you can ski. Oh, we got the ball.
They turned it over on downs. It was Wilson up for five, Wilson up for three. And then love went deep. But then again, that is how they scored. Was they had a second down and Love went deep.
And I know the receivers are banged up, and Dobbs was in and out, and he was. Dropping and coming back in and making a catch, and he was all over. And you know, Malik Heath, who knows what happened there, I didn't see. Bo Melton's back in, running the football. I know that the wide receivers are banged up in that room.
Is Hurt.
However, It is like Short pass or deep. There are Where are the slants? Where's anything in the middle? Yeah, not a lot in the middle. And that's three.
And then when it's a third and two and they go deep. Love is getting crapped on for that. But this is how LaFleur this is I mean this is how Lafleur is drawing it up. Thanks. I find it interesting.
Like Ben, I know he said he wants to see what the offense looks like with Malik Willis. Um I'm surprised that more people aren't like I want to see what Jordan Love looks like with a real fucking coach. Like, that's what I want to see. Yeah. What else do you guys think?
I agree with Jake on that. I don't understand. You're not you're not Fucking get oh my god, I'm so sorry for swearing so much. But I'm frustrated from watching that game. You're not allowing Jordan Love to be the guy that you drafted.
You. Drafted that guy and creamed your pants for him. And You're not calling a game. for him.
So, all the receivers, all the skill position guys, the O-line, like you've invested so much in this guy. Yes, so why are we not just going all out on it? And then, you know what, you know what? If it fails, it fails. But You had Aaron Rodgers.
And you pissed that away.
So now you got your guy that you wanted so bad.
So just make the offense the offense that you envisioned. and see how it goes. But it looks like LeFleur Is if then, okay, then you couldn't do it.
Now it looks like that is LaFleur's offense and it's. Crap. For lack of a swear. I've said it before, and this it drives me crazy to say it, but I hate this guy with a passion. But if Dan Campbell was the head coach of this team.
They would be so fucking good. It would be insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jake. I agree. Letting agree too.
All right, look at that. That's a full that's what we call a sweet bark. Four out of board. I think they'd be a lot better team if Mike Kafka was the head coach. Yeah who?
The Giants interim. Oh, yes. Yeah. I'm gonna bring Carlos in here in a minute. I'm gonna get off.
If Carlos is joining, I'll pop it off. Yeah, but if you guys have one final thought each. Um sure, I'll start. Yeah, there. The Bucs should absolutely be embarrassed.
I was looking at ticket prices for that Lakers game last night. You can't. Just punt an entire first half every game and think that you're going to win. Yannis, leave your fucking rebound. I got nervous, Jake, about that cup game because we never want to lost a cup game in the group stage before.
So I was like, well, I really, really want to win. I was like, I was like, I was like, I watched that game, Bart, and it was the stupid amount of Hornets and Con Nipple fans, like with their stupid broccoli, floppy hair. 2,000 people there. And they were standing up on every shot and acting like he's a dog or something. And it's like, he's con fucking Nipple from Duke.
Yeah. But yeah, that's my final thought is the bucks, the effort level is embarrassing. Get your shit together. Love you guys. Jake Penn?
Two I want to shout out to Carlos with the K. He did call. the untimely fumble interception the Lose the game, so I thought that was a great take. I don't have any other takeaways that I thought it was a great game. I know you guys don't agree, but.
I thought it was a solid win. They won. We're all happy they won. Yep. It's okay that we can be mad about the way they won though, Ben.
But I don't even agree with that. I thought it was a good win. I think today They needed a win more than anything. I'm not I'm not mad about the way they won because this is the team. This is what they are.
They're a team that's going to keep it close because they don't utilize their weapons. And they don't put teams away. I don't think the Giants are that bad of a team. I know they're two and nine now, but. I thought it was a solid win.
Peace out, guys. Bet, I love your perspective. I'm sorry, I'm just in a bad mode.
So I'm going to leave too, Bart. Very excited to see you and Carlos with a K. Uh One of the best producers I've ever heard outside of Todd.
So Well, R.I.P. to Todd.
Well Get the four D's in there. All right.
Yeah, Todd's brother Rod. Horvit and I were talking about the other day rod with four Ds. Um Bobby says. Think our blueberry blessings that Drew Brees wasn't the head coach of the Giants. Because he said two plays just for the interception, just to run the ball.
Drew Brees was in the booth today. This was a big Career moment for Drew Brees. Who I did not like at all in his first go-round. At NBC? I thought he was uh as dry as He was as dry as a oatmeal on the shelves at the Havy.
But he was, I thought he was bad. And he really, really wants to do this for a career. And he has said multiple times like. I can be the best. I've heard Drew Brees say that.
And he's not good at it. You know, listen to Collinsworth tonight. There's going to be.
Something Terico says, and Collinsworth is going to. Have a 25-minute explanation as if he's already seen the play. And he knows how to break it down. Drew Brees was like, Yeah, it's good play there. And then left a lot of time.
Uh on the board. I saw LaFleur hug Parsons like a child hug Santa. It was hilarious.
Sorry. Yeah, LaFlute well, it saved his job. Micah Parsons sack. Save the job. Matlefleur is a young boy in a teenage man's body.
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Carlos Ohoy, what's going on, Alberto? Who's the jersey, Rodney Hampton? No, this is a Jason Seahorn, like. Fashion jersey because this is the last time that I remember the Giants defense was actually any good. That's not true.
Al Rodney Hampton was 27. That's on me. Yeah, come on. I think I was thinking of Otis Anderson, who was 35. You should know your Giants numbers.
Yes, he was 35. No, he was twenty-four. I should know my Giants numbers. Who was 35? I don't know.
Brandon Jacobs was 27, right? Yes, that one I know for sure because you give him the ball, he turns into a truck. And Tiki was 21? And what's Cam Scataboo, forty-four? Yeah.
Okay. Why are we talking about Giants jersey numbers? What do you think? I don't know. Because he certainly didn't bring me up that.
What did you think of the game? Uh well listen, I I got a lot of thoughts, which is crazy for a team that's two and nine. Didn't have that many.
Sorry. I mean, I have way more thoughts on a two-win team than I should. But before I get ripped into the giants, because this is an inserted Winklerverse podcast, which is, you know, Wisconsin-centric, rightfully so. I gotta hear what are some of the people who jumped on with you or your thoughts? on what the Packers look like because I think this game, regardless if you were a Giants or a Packers fan, said more about Green Bay going forward than anything changes about New York's narrative.
Yeah, seriously, my dog picks the worst time to owl! Um, well, I just had two guys on, Jake and Austin. Who still hate LaFleur as much as ever. Good. Uh Ben was He said he even enjoyed the game.
Like it was a fun game to watch. He was alone on that island around here.
Okay. I think um I said coming into this game that if the Packers lose, LeFleur is going to get fired. I don't know that the game played out in a way where he actually would have. I think the the players did a lot of failing in this game. whether it was the fourth downs that they were able to convert.
They sat in zone probably for too long. The Packers, there were a lot of drop passes, both from the offense and the defense. Yeah. But I think the thing that I've been saying, so my takeaway. Is Regarding LaFleur and me wanting him fired.
Is that I saw more evidence of what it is that I think LaFleur wants, and that's. An offense built around a quarterback that doesn't have the kind of skills that Jordan Love has. Jordan Love can throw the football down the field, which is really the only skill that Matt LaFleur, I guess, doesn't like in a quarterback. Yeah. When Malik Willis was in there.
They were Calling the game. They did this last week, too. Hold on. Hold on. My wife and kid just laughed again.
They laughed at you? No, they laughed. Oh. Okay. Don't you give them a heads up if you're like where I'm where they're going?
Not in your household where you do not put your foot down. Come and go as they please. I don't know. Are they did they pack the bags forever? You go inside the house, and then it's like a Will Smith meme where all the furniture's gone.
Was this podcast Bart? I married a man who, after Packer games, goes into the basement and yells about the result with his internet friends. I've had enough. Come out. What the hell?
Oh man, you couldn't be so lucky to be single in this economy. All right, so. Um Yeah, but he I just felt like looked more comfortable. He doesn't think Malik Willis is better. No, no, no.
I say that, and that's what people hear. No, no, no. He thinks Malik Willis is worse. That's why he wants him to be the quarterback.
So he can just run more. Yeah. Yeah, so dude, if you're ever, if you're a Package fan, and I'm watching this, as obviously as a Giants fan, who was sort of kind of low-key rooting for my team to lose for draft positioning. Also, I want the entire front office and coaching staff to get fired.
So, like, the end result is what I wanted, but how we got there was infuriating. As a Giants fan or an independent football observer, There's no way you walk away from this game thinking the Packers are a legitimate Super Bowl contender. It is so clear that they are in that second tier of teams, that this is an infuriating game to win. for Wisconsin and Packers fans. Because You mentioned all the drop passes.
They should have easily had like four interceptions. Jameis Winston was giving them reasons to have the defense a better stat line. But the reason why it's more alarming, other than like the missed opportunities, is terms of turnovers and drop passes because the score could have been much bigger for the Packers early on. This game was much tighter than it needed to be. And it's who you beat.
Yes, I mentioned earlier the Giants have two wins, but this isn't even the same Giants team from the beginning of the season. Obviously, you have no Russell Wilson, the guy's absolutely cooked.
So Jameis Winston was the right call. but you didn't face Jackson Dart. You didn't face Cam Scataboo. There's no Malik neighbors in this Giants team. You're losing to guys who were on the practice squad a couple of weeks ago.
In fact, the Giants leading receiver was Isaiah Hodgins, who just got elevated for this game. And yeah, and we only won because Jalen Hyatt stopped running. He just gives up on running routes. He just stops twice in the fourth quarter, including that last interception that Jameis Winston finally threw, which is ironically the only interception that I would say. He wasn't at fault for.
Like, I had just literally stopped running a corner route. Um but There's a couple of silver linings for the Packers fan for Packers, but I think this was an infuriating game because. The Giants Lost this game, which is insane to say about a two-win team. Again, there could have been plenty of interceptions, but there was no passing touchdowns. You guys were just getting gashed on the ground to.
Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary. Singletary had almost three yards of carry. Tracy had almost five yards a carry that they were both averaging.
So the rush defense was absolutely putrid for you guys. Micah Parsons disappeared for three quarters. He didn't really show up until the fourth. Dude, no, he was not a factor until the fourth quarter. He was an absolute no-show.
Cause there was a couple times he tried. Both Andrew Thomas and Jermaine Illuminor helped Michael Parsons pretty well. I think for three quarters, he was not a factor. S. Christian McCaffrey owners are celebrating because he gets a second touchdown.
That first one was a gimme. But Xavier McKinney wasn't really much of a factor in this game. The silver lining's obviously. Thanks for keeping everybody watching this up to date on the NFL. Oh, yeah.
Listen, no, Marco. We got to give updates somehow. Uh but The silver line is for you guys is Christian Watson. Uh he gets He gets through. I think this is his emerging game.
That's that down-the-field option that MahulaFloor doesn't want to have. I think Christian Watson's game is the worst thing that could happen for Matt LaFleur because Matt LaFlore is like, No, no, no, I want to only throw intermediate passes West Coast offense. I don't want a guy that can stretch the field.
So that's a nightmare for him. Here's why it's a silver lining for you, other than the fact that he got two long bombs. Deontay Banks is the Giants punching bag at cornerback. Deontay Banks wasn't responsible for either one of those Christian Watson touchdowns. Corey Black, who was a practice squad guy a couple of weeks ago, was on the coverage for one.
And then Cordell Flott, who's actually probably one of our better corners, which is crazy. He was torched for that first. You never heard that last name before. Move a lot. Yeah, I was I I asked a friend I said, what if my name is Bart Flott?
Damn. No, that might be bad for you because flop runs with snot.
So you'd be fart snot. I think they would call me fart. They would call me fart plop, I think. Yeah, snot, plop. I can get a flot.
You need, like, flot is one of those names where you need a. You need like a they're half the names don't work for flat Yeah. I think a lot of names work with Winkler. Maybe it's the two so like Carlos Winkler works. In what world?
Not mine. In my dream world. That's awful. Maybe like Dog Winkler works. Dog Winkler actually is kick-ass.
Like, if your nickname was just Dog. That's so bad. Doug, I said dog. Oh, I said I heard dog. But my last little silver lining for you guys is: Keyshawn Nixon, I think, had an incredible game.
Uh, I thought he was an absolute standout. We all hate him. I don't know why you hate him. I feel like he was all over this game here, being a factor.
So it's concerning for Packers overall. I don't think you guys look great at all despite a win. Like, obviously, I know Matt LaFour is going to go on the podium, say, you know what, tough fought win. It's the NFL. Every game's a hard game to win, blah, blah, blah.
This is a game that this is a win that you do not feel good about. If you're a Green Bay. Yeah, but I think the Packers are past that. Um He said extremely happy with the win. The way that this defense played, if you're playing the Lions, you're probably playing the Eagles, the Buccaneers, you're losing this game.
The way that the defense is played right now, if we're playing the full-strength Giants, they're losing this game.
Well, I still don't know. If your running backs did that to us, what's Scatabo doing? What's Jackson Dart doing to us with the threat of running? We're cooked. Yeah, but we but the Giants still have no defense.
And a one a week. Dude, another fourth-quarter lead for this team. This is the fourth-quarter game that the Giants have blown. James Winston is more hamstrung than LaFleur. They didn't let him do anything.
And he still almost threw five interceptions. Yeah, no, look, you guys are winning this even if the Giants are at full strength because the defense is terrible. You're terrible. This this like as a Packer fan This is a must-win. Uh had they not won, I would I mean I want Lafleur to be fired anyway, but I'm not, it's not going to happen.
This was the point where it could have happened during the season. Yeah. And they won.
So it's not. No, it's La Florida rest of the year. And I look around, and I started like this, but I'm looking around, the Bears won. The 49ers are going to win four of their next four games. Yeah.
They have to like stay in contention. The playoffs are not a guarantee for the Packers. There's going to be, and with Carolina winning, you know, they're six and five, so I got to put them in. There's nine teams fighting for seven spots. And the Packers.
Don't have the leeway that we thought we once did. And in watching this game, You're right. They are not a good team. Can I make one side note here? Because obviously, or at least not a Super Bowl contender.
Yeah, no, listen, they should get into the postseason. I say should. But you're right, they're in the pack of everybody. But I want to make one kind of side observation here because our franchises are in two totally different places where the Packers or it should be Super Bowl or bust after that Michael Parsons portray.
Now it just might be, all right, let's get into the playoffs and see what happens mode. But either way, you guys have postseason aspirations, whereas the Giants, it's another lost year, another lost season, another year of evaluation. Do you feel any concern that Jeff Haffley might have played himself out of an interview? With the Giants in terms of head coaching opportunity, because I didn't see anything that made me want to think, okay, I want that guy to be my head coach if I'm a Giants fan looking for a new head coach. Um Let me answer this first from Green Magic.
Bart, please be honest. You wanted the Packers to lose. I really didn't. I swear to you. If the Packers losing would have resulted in LaFleur getting fired, you 1,000% would have wanted the Packers to lose.
No, I I want I'm just there wasn't a part of me I was getting anxious in the fourth quarter. And my kids are playing, and my wife had gone for a walk. And then I was like, I need you in here. People are texting me, I'm getting anxious. I needed this.
I didn't want, no. I for this podcast, trying to keep this afloat and off the ground. And by the way, you may see me put a more concerted effort into this podcast in the very near future. Oh, geez. I wonder why.
Oh, it's because this industry is headed toward podcasts. Right. Nothing to do about anything else. But Yes, Matt LaFleur getting fired would have been great. for my November numbers.
Okay. However, Christmas around the corner. And I mean this. I would much rather be. My desire to be right.
About Matlafleur. Is strong, very strong. But it is lower than Um Me wanting the Packers, I want the Packers to win. I'd rather have Matt LaFleur. I'd rather have Matt LaFleur Really, show me by winning three straight Super Bowls.
Oh man, oh no, that would suck. The whole reason I'm I'm so upset about him is Because we're not winning Super Bowls. The Jeff Hafley thing. There's a lot of people that uh assume if fi uh if LaFleur is fired, Halfly be the next head coach. And I think that's just next man up.
I don't. I don't know much about Jeff Hafley other than. Really, he's better than um The last guy we had. Yeah, Joe Berry. Yeah, he's lovely.
Thank you. I was gonna say Mike Petton. Oh my god. Where did Mike Petton go, by the way? I don't know.
I haven't heard about of him after he left Cleveland. I can't say that I'm a big follower of Mike Petton's career. Oh, assistant head coach, outside linebackers coach with Minnesota. All right, well, he's still in the division. Hmm.
I got some more comments. Do you mind if I rip through them? Sure, it's your show. That's a common theme for me. Do you want to stay here or do you want to leave me?
I'll listen to your comments because maybe I can laugh at somebody as Jackson Smith and Jigbo does not haul in that touchdown, which I desperately need. Thank you. Um the fact did I read this one already? I think I did. It's new to me.
Stylus Tom, the fact that LaFleur is committed to a power run game behind the worst O-line in the league is a fireball offense. I think you should yeah, I mean, I've made my thoughts on that. Andrew says, yeah, you get the lead, and it's like he's trying to run out the time. For once, I'd like to stay aggressive and put someone away instead of coming down to the wire. Yeah, that's absolutely what I was thinking about this game.
Again, the score should not have been nearly as close. Even when they got the ball back after downs, they went run, run, pass, deep pass. You gave it right back to them. Your defense was on the field for seven minutes of game time. You gave it right back to them.
Yeah, the fact that even Jameis was in position to throw a Hail Mary at the end of the game was asinine. Shouldn't have even had that look. No. I agree. Please let Josh Jacobs heal up, please.
Get him as close to 100% as possible. Come now, come on now, that's from Timothy. The problem with that is You guys need every win that you can get. One loss could knock you out of the playoffs. Like you're playing postseason football until people start to separate themselves.
Nine teams going for seven spots. If if Jacobs is healthy enough and banged up, you've got to play him. I don't think this person's still listening, so I won't read that one. Also, that might have been a time-sensitive comment because there's only two of us now. Yeah, I could just four.
I'm just going back. Um Yeah, where did Craig go? Craig Thompson was here. I don't know where he went.
This guy comes in every week, but since they won today, I'll give him the. Spotlight of Bare Down emoji. Yeah, Solid Win for the Bears, I guess. JJ McCarthy side note. Good lord, this kid stinks.
Oh, he is. Yeah, I got to try to trade him in my Dynasty League. I think I'm too late. I hope I haven't passed my trade deadline in my fantasy league. I might move Justin Jefferson.
This guy is literally a yawn for eight to nine points a week. Um Someone who keeps commenting as a Mat LaFleur wife spoof. Says, my husband is crying in happy tears because he still has his job. I made him a chocolate chip cake. That's a good wife, man.
I could go for a chocolate chip cake right now. If you think the callers that we attract on our show, yeah, based on these comments, you got a lot of winners here. Oh, you were off Thursday, Friday. The two things I need to tell you to catch up with the Bart Winkler show lore. Sure.
Is One We had an eBay read. That is written so terribly. AI. I just shit all over it. As you did the read, or after the read was done, you're like, oh, fuck eBay.
I said, well, I said, I can't read this. Without making it sound like it's red. Can I read it for you? Sure. Oh, by the way, EB does not sponsor this podcast.
So, if anybody's looking for residuals, this is not the one.
Well then because I shit on the read, I talked about my eBay for five minutes. And my experience. That's called value added. This segment is brought to you by eBay. eBay is home to millions of finds and each one becomes a part of your story.
I'm already out. I'm lost. Yeah. Because it's so clearly an inorganic. Like, way to tie it into the show.
It's like, okay, he's reading an ad. Mm-hmm. Um What else do we got? Drew Brees sounds like Tony Romo stoned. You know what Drew Brees doesn't do?
He doesn't get into fights with truck drivers in Indianapolis. Did you have any comments on Drew Brees? A lot of Packer fans thought he was very pro-Giants. No, I feel like he was just there. To be honest, I didn't really pay too much about Drew Brees.
I don't think he was overly offensive, like if it was. you know, if it was a Tom Brady called game, Tom Brady is just so anti-Giants, no matter what they do. I mean, he's still sore about getting his ass beat those two Super Bowls. I thought he was okay. I don't think he was pro-Giants.
And this is someone who has, you know, pretty much a homeward view. Of the giants. I'd rather listen to Bob Poppa, but I thought you guys got a fair shake on the national broadcast. A couple of comments since you got in here. Jake wants to know if you're wearing a Tyrone Wheatley jersey.
Jason Seahorn. Austin, who called the other night, says Carlos Ortiz, arguably the best producer. I mean, why the fuck is it arguably? I was offended too a little bit. I mean, Bart only hires the best people, many are saying.
That's very true, although Bart didn't hire me. Nor can I fire you. You could. I did check in with the show a little bit Thursday and Friday. Thursday was my wife's birthday, which is why I was out.
Friday was, I'm like, do I really want to come in for one day and then have two days off? No. Yeah, I think we need to drop the arguably label. No disrespect to anybody who covers for me, but there is definitely only one me. And I am excited.
uh to work five days with you this week. It might be the only time that I do five days a week for the rest of the year. Dean Marie says, enough of this guy, sorry. Uh Well, your punctuation and capitalization needs a little bit of work. This is my friend Carlos.
He's On my show, the Bart Winkler show. Have you heard of it? And it's like. Am I truly offending you guys? Because, number one, you won the game.
Am I coming into shit all over the Packers for the sake of doing it? No. You guys deserve to get shit on because you won a game that was really poor by your standards. My team sucks. We should not have been competitive.
It's a two-win team, you just won't be up. And you didn't beat them convincingly. Oh, Ben wanted me to open a pack of cards.
Okay. What's the pegboard? This Oh, look at me being a complete moron. That is a very nice board. I got a I got a drywall behind me of random crap.
Yeah, and I've told Carlos this, but that Cubs thing behind you. This one? Yeah, there was a guy on uh Lake Drive for those that know, that had an estate sale and he was a big sports fan. But he was also charged, he charged $150 for that thing. What?
I got this for $12. Yeah, so I was a little worried that. This guy, like, was killed by his family just to drive up the price of his memorabilia. It was like, oh, here's a cool basketball from like the 2000 and Eight Marquette team. And you're like, oh, okay, what's that?
What could it cost, Michael? 25 bucks? 300. What are you doing here? Right.
What what people are shopping over there? Steve says it's nice to see the face behind the mic. Oh, hi, Steve.
Someone gets it. Oh, Craig, that's all right, man. It's good to see you either way. I will take off my hat just so people can see my luscious hair, unlike Bart, who has to wear hats for different reasons. I got a little bit.
No, geez, no. See, now that's a full head of hair right there, baby. Look at all those curls. What, bud? I'm not done yet, almost.
Wait. Your child is begging for attention. Wow, yeah, that's the John Cena treatment in the back there. What should I do? Just go chrome dome, man.
Bald as bald as in. What do I do? I gotta get the thicker beard and ball the top. You know how many times? How many times?
Let's say I've been doing radio for 10 years. Uh someone like a boss or somebody in management. Sends the all company email. That says Anyone interested in hair growth? Ha ha ha.
In hair growth endorsement. And I say yes every time. And I think this is going to be it. I'm saying, you kidding me? I would kill for a rogue in Bosley Reid.
Should I rip one pack of cards? If it's a thing that you do, sure, go nuts.
Okay. By anywhere, and everybody, into the Winkleverse, sponsored by. Bart Winkler. You're good. All right, I'm just trying to fill in time because I'll be able to.
No, the show's over. But I'm gonna rip a pack of cards. Hold on. Why are the Ravens and Browns playing to a tie? Why are they on right now?
Oh, he must have bought you, moron. Browns kola pel con la pelota. What? Browns with the ball. English on this, Bob.
But say, that, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, that's called Spanish. It's the other language that's spoken in this country. Yeah, you fair catch and then miss it. What a dodo brain. We only talk English on this podcast.
Yeah, we don't like your kind around here. What's a car loss? What do you mean you loss your car? Hello? Jeez, how much is that phone worth?
Blackberry, nice. I remember when everybody had one of those. You got a boost mobile phone in there with the walkie-talkie? Mm-hmm. Almost.
All right, let's rip these cards so I can go ahead and finish my wing stop. This is it. wings right here this is it carlos delicious wings what is that The uh dollar Ship that Paul Allen. Paul has a Paul Allen ship? Yep.
Here you go, kid. Go away.
Okay. All right, my favorite set of cards ever. Pokemon Carl. 1990 Pro Set. We've done these before.
Ah, yes. We've done these before. Oh, hold on. Just in case my haters are watching.
So you mean all of them?
Okay. All your viewers. Do people like watch this? Ready? I wear a mask every day.
Yeah, you look like a member of Antifa. Oh shit. Ha ha ha ha.
Okay. Super Bowl. Eddie Brown. No idea. The late great Sam Mills.
No idea. Oh, he's a packer, wasn't he? No. Kelvin Martin. I Vaguely remember that name.
Remember the Eagles win over the Patriots in the Super Bowl? I watched that at an event with Bob Greasy. Yeah. War and Moon Pro Bowl. Oh, look at that.
Okay. Gary Anderson.
Sorry, I didn't edit this out of the audio either. Just turn it off now, we're done. John Settle. Do you remember John Fourcade? No.
Who the fuck is this guy? Steve Wushneski. Know that name. Bro, this is an elite pack. Dylan gave me a table.
I got in the same pack. Gary Anderson and Morton Anderson. That's incredible. Mm-hmm. This has to be a one-way.
Oh my God, what a catch, Jackson Smith and Jigba. Jesse Sopolu. I know what I think. Sure. Daryl Grant.
Yep. Steve McMichael. Yep. That's my pack.
Solid pack. Open that for nothing. Caller number five gets a free Livestrong band. Prop comedy.
Well, thanks for stopping back on twice in one week. You got it. This might fill my quota for the rest of the year, unless the Giants and the Packers somehow miraculously meet in the postseason. Which they won't.
Something tells me you'll be back. Yeah, I guess. It's not like I'm gonna have a lot of time on my hands pretty soon. Packers win. LaFleur is still the coach.
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