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I'm Bart Winkler. Welcome into the Winkler Verse. as I come to you On YouTube. I gotta go. I gotta go.
It's 2025. Um Thankfully. Thankfully now. In this day and age, I've got the ability to air out my complaints and my grievances about a football team on the internet. Just what just what we need.
After that game is more content.
So If you're live with us, that's great. If you are, um Getting this maybe later Sunday or whenever. I'm pissed. I'm pissed. I think we're going to look back at the Jordan Love interception as a what are you doing?
And I think that's right. That is something that you should do. I saw a lot of tweets out after Jordan Love threw a pick. that This is why Jordan loved or never, whatever. No, we do.
We don't micro to macro on anybody else more than we do Jordan Love.
Okay.
So yeah, that was a bad decision. He should be grilled for that decision. That doesn't mean like He's a terrible person. Uh You know, if you swear in front of a Kid, does that mean you're a terrible adult? Does that mean you're a terrible?
Human, I I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying to say. I'm fucking flustered. Oops. Matt Lafleur.
Let me take you through what was going on. Packers lose to the Browns 13-10 if you're. Listening in space 40 years from now. Um This was about as bad. As it gets, they were up 10-0.
The entirety of the game. Or most of all, 3-0 a lot of the game, and then 10-0, and then. And then they allowed a field goal.
Okay, fine. And then the interception Brown score, and then, okay, we get the ball back, and we're playing. For a last second field goal. When there was still going to be time on the clock. I don't love that.
I also, I'll take you back to the drive that, like, I know Love made that mistake, but I'll take you back to the drive that they ended up scoring the Fitzpatrick touchdown, his first ever. Is They're running it up the middle twice, going nowhere. You gotta you paid him $55 million. You gotta put the ball in his hands.
So they put the ball in his hands. Good. It didn't work out that second time. It worked out on the touchdown. Um The two plays before that though.
I always talk about how I'm a great Coach because I play Madden, or I could be, but that's for time. Not my actually actual play calls. As an actual play caller, I'm dog shit. And I bring that up because. I always do the end around of the receiver to the left.
Another round to the receiver to the right. What are you doing? What are you doing that for? Why are you doing that? And why are we trying to like Force Xavion Williams into the game.
Why are we trying to force these runs to Matthew Golden? Just throw your little outs, get Tucker Kraft more involved. Romeo Dobbs, he gets an opportunity to step up. Wix, why aren't you involving those guys? Why are you trying to be like.
Oh, let's be nice to the new kids in class. Throw the guys that know how to do it. They're the guys that know how to do that. Um Aaron says LaFleur doesn't trust Jordan Love.
Well, then something needs to change. Then you should have, then you should have told that. You should have offered your input when they gave him $55 million. Or maybe you need to go. And that's where I'm at today.
So the Jordan Love conversation is one to have. I still think Jordan Love is good.
Now, is he going to make mistakes? Yes. I'm glad they paid him $55. Look, I'm not, look, I'm already feeling defensive. I'm not putting myself up back against a wall.
Because I think Jordan Love is good. I think Jordan Love is good. Does that mean he's perfect? No. Is he elite?
No. Is he going to make mistakes? Yes. Are they going to be bad? Yes.
I still think After all of that. He's good. He could have been better today. He made a big mistake. All right.
Matt LaFleur, we've seen for seven years. I do not trust him. And here's some of the things that I have tweeted out. As the game was winding down here. Let me remember how to share a screen.
And I did put the link up, and we'll go do that in a second, too. But, um,. My tweet.
So, first of all, I'm tweeting: nobody gets harder, judged harder after making one bad decision than Jordan Love, and I just went through that. Then Matt LaFleur is clearly playing for the field goal. I said playing for the field goal isn't gonna make me like LaFleur any more than I already don't like him. Then he misses. And I go caps lock, LeFleur fucking stinks.
And then I go, I always dance around my criticism of La Fleur. done doing that. He sucks. And then the last thing I said was: keep worrying about the ticket sales, LaFleur, you stupid moron.
So Two weeks in, Packers look amazing, shutting down. The Lions, shutting down the Commanders, and then losing to the Browns. How do you reconcile with that? But after two weeks, I'm saying. Stop worrying about the crowd.
The crowd unprovoked is the first thing he talks about.
Well, look at the crowd now, LaFor. They're all celebrating because you gave him a free win, because you played for the field goal, because you're worried about the Cleveland fucking Browns, who have an amazing defense. But You still gotta try to win. Uh that game. All right, let's get my face back here.
Hashtag created. And I'm also going to bring in, that's a loud background, but Drew. Good to see you again, Drew. Job.
Alright, hang on, Drew. Uh, Jake, I can't keep you on with that car noise, but give me your point. I'll call you back. Oh, well just give me a point. Oh, all right.
All right. Well, Drew. Longtime radio ally and friend. What's up, buddy? How are you doing?
Guys, nice to hear from you outside of needing fantasy advice. I do need fantasy advice from time to time, and you do give me some good advice. Like a hey, Bart, how's it going? Would be nice. Hey, you know, sometimes big.
You know, just like Ramondre Stevenson or Kenneth Gainwell. You're the guy. You're my sports guru. I need you in my life for advice sometimes. I need advice.
How hard should I go in on LaFleur? I hate him. Uh it's ridiculous. I'm I I almost expected this to happen. It seems like the Packers, every time they play against, like, a relatively mediocre team.
They They just Pooped the bed. And um It's it's so frustrating. The blocked kick was awful. There's a lot of block kicks today overall in the NFL, which is amazing, but uh It yeah, LeFleur is is I don't know. He's not doing well.
I don't like it either. Who do you have on the game plan this week, or do you not do that? The game plan is not happening this week. Um, the next one is in October, and it will be That's just how it goes. And like two shows a month.
We did one last year. Can't get Evan Williams to drive down four times a year. No, no, no. Carrie D. Valentine's on the next one, though, and he's very funny.
And whoever he brings, which is always nice. I'm fucking mad. Damn it. Yeah, so am I. I'm not I'm not happy about this.
It's just, I don't know, dude. It's so stupid. And the Vikings won. killed the Bengals. Um Which is frustrating as well.
I don't like any of this. Granted, it's only week three, thankfully. Hopefully, they can get their head out of their asses the rest of the season and beat some of these shitty teams that they should beat.
Well, that's a good jumping point because when the Bills won the other night, the Bills won the other night, and it was a game where. They won by 10 against the division opponent. Uh, the Dolphins, but people were still, you know, Buffalo fans, and I talked to some of them on the show, they were still like, eh, you know, and I said, This is a rich people's problems game. Where The yacht is too big for the dock at the You know, islandside restaurant that you're trying to go for. The reception's not as good in your guest house as it is in the main house.
It's like you still want rich people's problems. But they're mad, they're thinking of Buffalo. What are the problems here? Stopping the Dolphins on third down, et cetera, these things. We need to make sure these aren't the problems later in the season.
So that's what you got to think about in week three. You lost to the Browns, and the Bills are going to roll to the AFC East. The Packers, you know, I thought we're on the way of doing that in the NFC North, but. Giving these losses away is not good.
So, what do you want to take away from this game? One, it shuts everybody up. I didn't like this talk about going. I mean, why are we talking about going undefeated in the locker room? We're talking about going undefeated in the locker room already.
That was stupid. Um And again, not fans. You know, the players are saying that. Jordan Love had a very poorly timed decision that was bad. That's something he's going to need to work with.
I saw somebody else say he never slides at the right time. Yeah, so Jordan loves like. Decision-making process could be better overall. I'm not going to disagree.
So, that's something that you can work on. But the big takeaway to me is I once said that the Packers are never going to win a Super Bowl with Matt LaFleur. Um I don't want that to be true, so I'm not going to quadruple down on that. But all my, like, I'm not. I watch Matt LaFleur and he gets out to like the best start ever and You know, with all this stuff, and it's it's hard to watch Matt LaFleur.
Have the success that he has, and say, I don't think he's a good coach, or I don't like him. But I like, I don't think he's that good of a coach, and I don't like him as a coach. He had two MVP years of Rodgers, he had four years of Rodgers, he's got three years now. Of love. It doesn't look like he's learning ever.
I always say he needs to do something. Every time he does something for the first time, he fails. That continues. But this now, like, you should know how to know how to execute this at the end of the game. Thankfully, Jacobs didn't fumble, although I kind of wish he would have, because.
I feel maybe more confident we would have stopped the Browns 10 yards deeper than we ended up doing. Um But man, to play for a field goal in that situation, it wasn't just playing for a field goal. Playing for a field goal is one thing. They played like there was like somebody, I had a good comment here.
Somebody said, I just want to give you credit. Uh and I can't find it, so Sorry, here it is. Charles, playing for a last-second 40-plus-yard field goal is different than playing for a last-second 25-yard walk-off. And that's right, and it wasn't even. A last-second field goal.
They were playing like they had the ball at the 10. Just run on the clock and punch it through. But that was not the case. They had more yards that they could get. The field goal wasn't going to be a gimme.
Obviously, the Browns are going to send everybody. You just knew once he started doing it, it wouldn't work out. I'm just, you know, I'm, I'm. I fear, Drew, here's my, here's where I fear. I feel like me bitching about Matt LaFleur Comes off as a hot take guy, someone trying to just stay relevant or ruffle the feathers or whatever.
I'm not, though. I'm just telling you, I've never felt confident in him. And this was a great example of it. I text one of my buddies, I'm kind of happy. Like, I'm not really.
I'm pissed that they lost. He goes, Why? They lost. I go, Oh, I don't. I'm just, I'm happy that if they lost.
It can go directly. This decision would be. I mean, Jordan Love's still getting talked about, but. If they make the field go and win, okay, all we're doing is bitch about love. No, Matt LaFleur, I think, costs us the game.
So good. Good. If we're going to lose. Good, expose them. Yeah, I mean you look historically too.
Um We've done, we've done, we've gone to the playoffs, but it's not like it's been like anything significant, anything wild or crazy for the most part under Matt LaFleur.
So it's just like. Yeah. I I would agree. He does make uh He hasn't made the the shifts and the changes that he needs to and he's Overall, just uh Not as effective yeah he seems like a nice dude but Not as effective as you would want them to be.
Well, he seems like a nice dude, um, like as a human. Right. And you know, the he's got he's got the He's got the Packer beat blog community in his back pocket because he went and had beers with them one time. This is fucking bullshit. It's uh, I'm glad it's week three and it's not, you know, week.
fifteen or sixteen when we're Coasting on some sort of hope to even get in the playoffs.
So, hopefully, something can be done. We looked at clutch week one, week two. All right, we've got the win, and it was, it was, it was good, and now it's like, Unfortunately, I feel like this is like a familiar pattern. Where it's just here we are. losing the shit teams and uh It's just the Wisconsin heartbreak that we've...
known and loved for so long.
Well, speaking of that, one other thing I want to mention. We may. We may have some movement. Uh and get Relieved of some heartbreak. I don't know if people during the game saw this picture.
Because uh it's of something that We're not even. Wisconsin's playing volleyball right now. Maybe you're maybe you are watching it. Oh, nice. Um But here is ah, here we go.
Mike McCarthy at the game with Chris McIntosh.
Okay.
And look how good he looks at that Wisconsin ball cap. That's right. Good old Mike McCarthy.
So maybe. Maybe.
Well, Drew, I'm going to say bye. Good to see you. Good to see you as well. I'll text you soon, not for fantasy advice.
Well, I could text you also. I never say hi.
Sorry. That is true. No, it's okay. Drew. Drew.
I didn't want to call you Drew the intern. You can call me that if you want. Today's a significant anniversary. I worked with Drew back and K107 in the day. Ten years ago I got dumped by them.
So on this day. Fun fact. Yeah. Well no, I'm at I'm with uh with radio plus No, no, no, no. You can say it.
I just, I thought, um. I thought they got dumped and then you got back and then redumped. That didn't happen? No. Nope, nope, they dumped me on my birthday.
And I didn't even know. Your birthday? Today's my birthday, and the Packers lost, and 10 years ago, I got dumped by K107. When they changed formats and didn't let me know, I wasn't a part of that choice. That's my fault.
And ever since I've been with Ringo Plus in a happier environment, I love them. I appreciate what K107 did, but like for me in some capacity, but a little bitter always. I got a one project. One profit. Heck yeah.
Okay, what I'm seven. From the dome. It was a beautiful time. It's a lot of fun. I love it.
All right, play your music. Hi, buddy. Good to see you. Yeah. Good to see you.
See ya. Very, very fucking. country slopes. Drew, good to see Drew. Oh man, I catch my breath.
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Ben's back. Ben, ban, ban. Ben. Ben's moved to an outside locale. What's up?
Up north in the North Woods where we have the radio for the game. Brutal. You didn't miss much seen it live. Great listening. on the recliner, you know, sitting back and hearing Your favourite team lose to the Browns on a last second field goal.
Jake, let me get your thoughts first as we're all still rocking our green and gold, I notice. Um well I mean, it was objectively a hilarious game. Like, for as much as this team was feeling themselves, I think you said it was Rashid Walker saying, you know, we're talking about going undefeated. Like, yeah, maybe back up on that just a little bit. I am definitely here for the Matt LaFleur criticism, although I think for different reasons.
I think it was right to play for the field goal at the end, but there were so many other things. Uh you know you you talk about Being more disciplined and being more of a disciplinarian. And then your team comes out and commits, like, what, I don't know, what, 15 penalties. And most of them were of the mental variety, like the false starts, the offsides, just. That, and I'm sure Matt will say it.
He'll be the first one to tell you. First thing he says in his press comments. Hey guys, you know, let me just say this one's on me. He'll say that, but then. There'll be no repercussions of that.
There'll be no one to hold him accountable. But he just, undisciplined teams are kind of what he does. And yeah, just, I know. I'm a big believer in Jordan Love myself. But the truth of the matter is That was, he played awful today.
I don't think he's used to getting sacked. The five sacks definitely made it.
Well, the offensive line, yeah. We haven't brought that up yet. They were atrocious. Brutal. He was running for his life out there.
So, even though the stat line may not show it, he did not play well. Listen, you're up. 10 points with like four minutes left in the game, and you have the ball, you have to win that game. You cannot throw that interception. And that was a Jordan Love error.
That wasn't somebody making the wrong or running the wrong route, anything like that. You just simply didn't see the guy. And if you're gonna be a Super Bowl winning quarterback, you can't make plays like that. Um while I do believe Jordan Love is good enough to win a Super Bowl. I'm starting to believe that a Jordan Love, Matt LaFleur combination cannot win a Super Bowl.
Yeah, that's fair. And then so.
So but but also Also Matt LaFleur Aaron Rodgers combo couldn't win a Super Bowl.
So then So then what's the what's the uh What's the problem? There's something, you know, to being a head coach that's. You know, you can hear things like. He's so good with the X's and O's and the game planning, but I think You have to be a leader. You have to inspire people.
Does Matt LaFleur inspire people? I don't know. I'm not in that locker room. I couldn't tell you one way or another. From the outside looking in, he doesn't come off as that type to me.
Uh Ben, your thoughts?
Well, I heard you bring up the Matt LaFleur criticism, and I think I was baited. With that criticism, because last time I criticized them, we were, I think we were three and six. And then we finished the season out like. I'm like a The hot streak. And so I looked like.
I had Egg on my face with that one.
So I'm not going to go there yet. Too early for me to criticize LaFleur this season. But the mental errors are a huge problem. Penalties is unexcusable on a team that's, we're still the youngest team in the league, but you know, we still, we got to be better than that. And you know miles garrett is on the other side of the line Why are you not game planning around that?
You you gave him how many sacks did he have? Three, I don't know. Philip, yeah. Also, also. At the end of the third quarter, was that on Love or was that on LaFleur?
Because they snapped the ball when they didn't need to. And then instead of throwing it away, love took a weird like... He hung on to it too long. See, this is again where I'm at with Jordan Love. I am willing and able to criticize Jordan Love.
In moments of criticism. But I'm tired of. Looking at A play and saying Oh, he sucks.
However, I will understand that some of you may be cataloging more of these. And however, I'm not saying that he's going to be, I don't say like the Packers have three Hall of Famers in a row. You know, I don't think. But Jordan Love is good. But also, he plays very dopey at times, and we saw that today.
But I would like to know who it was on the end of the third quarter. I don't want to say this and get like torn up for it, but he has like Mark Sanchez moments, right?
So, like, he's really good a lot, like 90% of the time, and then there's like a terrible. play and you're like, That's that's not our Jordan Love, what happened there? I don't know. Yeah, it's bad. Unorthodox sometimes, maybe.
Ben, I'm going to say bye to you. There's a little delay, so I'm just going to. Have you listen.
Sounds good, guys. Thanks for having me on. It's good to see you again. The stash looks great. Appreciate it.
All right, Ben up north. Good for him. Good for him. Jake, would you like to hear? I've got Matt LaFleur's opening statement.
I think I'd rather punch myself in the genitals, but go ahead.
So um thank you to Matt Schneidman. Who has recorded this?
Now he has blocked me, but That doesn't matter on Twitter anymore.
So. I can air it. How'd you manage that? I asked him what color crayon he used to write. Oh, that's right.
That's right. I do remember that. Which I stand by. Oh, I don't want to be too hard on Match Nightman, though. Because you know who really likes Matt Schneidman?
Team Shea. Matt Schneidman. All right, let me. Share the screen and we can roll through some comments. Little Matt.
Not today. I understand.
Okay.
I got TDS.
Alright, here we go. I don't know what he says. extremely disappointing. And obviously, to be in a position to win the game at the end of the game and to have the total script totally flipped on you with the block and then getting into field range is tough to deal with. Thank you.
Each and every opportunity that you go out there and the wins. Molossus. Uh you gotta move on.
So Um You know, I thought there were a lot of things A lot of positives in regards to How our defense competed and played through the fourth quarter. Whatever. Look. I still feel like my comparison of him is on Scrappy Doo is very apt. I still think Matt LaFleur, when he's got the wind at his sails, He gets out there and he's, you know.
Yeah, I'm feeling myself. I'm going to shit on the crowd. For selling some tickets. I'm going to shit on the crowd for doing the wave. I'm Matt LaFleur, man.
When I'm winning, things are going well. And then when he. When he loses. And I know the camera angle there that I just showed you, but he shrinks. He shrinks.
The guy Is Scrappy Doo? He's come on, I'll I'll get you. And then you just pick him up and he's still... He's still fighting ya. That's what he is.
No, you know what it is, Bart. You know what he is. It's like when you take your girlfriend. out to like uh the you know the the local fair, right? Yeah.
Anyone remember the bit? Anyways, take her to the fair. No, what it is, is like you have a group of friends, and you have that one group or friend in the friend group that. He's just like the guy that everybody piles on. And you know, you kind of make fun of them, but you love them.
That's Matt LaFleur in like the NFL fraternity of head coaches. He's just adorable. Look at him with the little Packers over there doing his thing. And then, like. The Micah Parsons trade happened and all the hype, and everybody's behind Green Bay.
So it's like your friend pulled the batty. You know what I mean? He pulls a 10 out of 10 out of nowhere, but deep down, you know. You know, you're still like good for him, but you know, he's going to screw it up anyway.
So, you're not really going to take him seriously. It's the I I famously said Mike McCarthy would never win a Super Bowl, so I'm hoping the reverse Jinx happens again, but I'm with you that. I just don't see LaFleur as that kind of guy that can lead a group of men. to a championship. Um I'd take Mike McCarthy back on either of these football teams right now.
Oh, here, I got some more audio. Um and I think video. Of uh Of Mat LaFleur. I've got some more audio. of Matt LaFleur.
Uh Two to meddle in my affairs. Yeah. Quick, Scoob, do something. I'm trying, I'm trying. Gee, Uncle School, if you want to open a door, all you got to do is push open.
Oh. All right, Shadow Creature, you're dealing with Scrappy Doo now. Prepare to splat. Bye. I'm sure that'll get me copyright fucking YouTube.
God damn it. It was worth a bit. It was worth a bit. Yeah. What am I going to lose?
$3? Hey, are we ever going to see JJ McCarthy on a football field again?
Well, a lot of the they did they did the defense did pretty good, but yeah, now they're saying they're gonna keep them out to week seven. I mean, I just think that. This 48 points, or whatever it was, like, how do you justify then bringing someone back, even if it wasn't him directly responsible? Like, 'Cause he is ass. He's just not good.
Again, I'm not. Let me read some comments. I'm not. There you go. All right.
I'm going to pop off. I love you. Love you, Jake. Cowboys and Bears play this afternoon. What else even happened in some of these games?
I wasn't even paying attention. I was having such a nice afternoon with my son. Like We're cuddling. We're looking at scores. He's super into the scores.
At one point, he said, I love scores. Scores are the best. And he likes the Panthers now because of their logo. They won 30 to nothing. I guess Cousins got some time against Atlanta.
Or for Atlanta. Texans are 0-3. That sucks for them. Oh, Bear's already scored? Caleb Williams to Romo Dunze.
Yeah, sell your DJ Morse stock, I guess. Titan's theory didn't work. Vikings put up 48. Rodgers is 2-1. Eagles with one of the more insane backdoor covers of all time, blocked a kick and then took it to the house.
Buccaneers, wow, the Jets scored 21 in the fourth. Commanders rolled on their Mariata. Mariota. That was my lock of the week, so I'm good about that. All right.
You can still jump on here if you'd like. Here's some comments. Doug. MLF is a loser. Said my piece there.
Craig, holy shit, what a great example of a well-disciplined team. And that's one of the problems. With LaFleur. The guy so When McCarthy had a lead. A lot of the times we would say.
That they got conservative. And they did. I mean, they did. They got conservative. when he had a leap.
LaFleur. is like uncomfortable. He's not conservative. He's just like... There's the third quarter, we're up 10.
Can this game just answer? Can this game just be over with? I'm so scared. I'm just so nervous. I just want to count it as a win already.
So end of the third quarter, terrible. And again, I don't know what I'm putting that on love. I don't know what I'm putting that on the floor. Bobby says, What a fucking joke. Is this the worst meltdown since the Seahawks playoff game?
Um No, no, yeah, no. And comparatively, it's nothing like, but is this the worst meltdown? I think, you know, in terms of I'm feeling good about we're going to win this game, like the Browns defense is really good and they deserve a lot of credit. And that's what it's like going against the Packers, a Micah Parsons type guy. And Rashawn Gary is going to have.
a lot less mentions of his name than he probably should. Because he's even beating guys clean. He's beating guys clean when Micah's not even. Double teamed on the other side. Gary's beaten guys clean.
He had two sacks.
So He's stepped up. Um But their defense, man, they had five sacks. They were they they seem more More into it. Our defense got worn down. Quinchon Jenkins, we were dominating.
And then he had two big runs there that set up that touchdown. And then a You know, they well, they eventually kicked a field goal there, but all those penalties were getting annoying. Um what else do we got? Packers, this is from Mr. I'm Still Dead.
Packers need to be rid of that waste of a first-round pick. Morgan, how many false starts did he have? Three offensive line was horrible. They were bad. Zach Tom got the start.
LaFleur later said, I probably shouldn't have done that. I gotta catch up with more of this shit that he's been saying. I'm so mad. Here's a tweet from Grant. Rich Pasaccia deserves to be fired before Luke Fickle.
Yeah, why do we still have him? Versace, or or or fickle. Why are they Don't you think if he was that good, someone would have poached him by now? Jordan, we're a good team. We're still a good team.
All right, here's Jordan Love explaining. As I'm just Look, Schneider Schneidman posted it. I I feel like I'm ripping off his work, but I'm giving him credit. I subscribe to the athletic. What more does he want me to do?
Yeah. Um no we're running uh You know, triple slant concept, they know. they're in mad coverage.
So um you know I'm trying to work wicks right there, number two. And uh you know safety of his garden. Chugger fell off that. Passed off and got in the window right there, not even seeing him.
So, didn't see him. All right, yeah, well. Ugh.
Okay.
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ExxonMobil. Let's deliver. What else do the f What else are they saying in the Winkler verse? TV Fanatic, offense was shit today, and the defense was not good like they were for the first two weeks. They still held this vaunted Browns offense to 13 points.
And I thought that kicker sucked. How is he all of a sudden drilling a 55-yarder? Good from 65. Jacob sucked today. Jacob sucked.
I'll tell you where Love sucked was throwing the ball to Jacobs. That concerned me. He sucked. I'm just looking at the box score. Like I could feel my eyes bleeding.
We ran the ball five times to the wide receivers. Last week, I think we ran it four. I think Like, let that stuff come. I don't know. Win the game first.
The Jets sweep both different ways, two plays in a row. That is what I'll still be up tonight thinking about. More than the field goal. 'Cause that's when I started to really get pissed. They bought into the best team in the NFL tight.
Far from it. That's from Chuck. Jordan Love said, No, we didn't, but. He may not have. He's lying.
Yeah, Tyler. Exactly! Whenever I see two jet sweeps in a row, I know we're going to lose, especially. Oh, Yeah, whenever I see two, I know we're gonna lose. Whenever I see two in a row, we're gonna definitely lose.
I'd like to know more about this from Aaron. I think LaFleur does trust Jordan Love. But maybe he doesn't.
Now you know what? You're right. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he doesn't. Just run the ball on that third and one.
Yeah, they could have done that too. I see we're back to wasting timeouts by letting the play clock run down. We're back to that too. Crazy winning against playoff teams and losing to the Browns. Yeah, so how do you like How do you reconcile that?
I think one thing that will be said. On the radio or wherever, or maybe even you, maybe you're saying it. Maybe you're saying Hey. With the Lions and the Commanders on the schedule. And then the Browns.
If I would have told you at the beginning of the season, you're going to start 2-1, you'd be pretty happy about that. Not really. Because we'd probably lose a game that we shouldn't have, which we did. Like they were they Beating the lines at home. was always going to happen.
Beating the commanders. That was my survivor pick. I was so confident in that. You're going to win those games. They're at home.
You're going to win those games. Micah Parsons, you're feeling high. You're going to win those games. You lost to the Browns. Was it a trap game?
Are you thinking ahead to Dallas? Are you thinking ahead to Sunday Night Football in Dallas? You still have to show up and win. He still has to show up and win. And it's better that it wasn't an NFC team and it wasn't against a division opponent and sure, all that stuff.
We don't know how this loss is going to affect them later on. There's only one team that gets a buy. They need to win the Super Bowl. They at least need to get to the NFC Championship game. If they don't get to the NFC Championship game, I believe Matt LaFleur should lose his job.
I I mean, how otherwise it's the same shit over and over again. At some point, you have to do it. You keep telling us, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And God only knows, like, you can already imagine his press conference when they lose. When a When the Rams come to Lambea January 21st and beat us in a divisional round game on a walk-off touchdown from Devontae Adams.
You can already Bobby Buckweach said: Should the Packers just fire Matt LaFleur and make Jeff Hafley the head coach? You know what? Everyone's trying to say all this stuff to slander Half Lee to keep him here. I got a good way you can keep him here. Andrew says, better to lose this game now than in January.
Yes, true. I think the question is. What has you believing they won't still lose this kind of game in January? Games like this are why I don't like the floor they played to lose. All day.
Stylus Tom, how many times do we need to watch Jordan Love make boneheaded plays before we're able to question him as a franchise QB? I think I answered that. And that's maybe when you commented on it. You're gonna do worse than Jordan Love.
Now. Are we at the point where every time he has a bad moment, we're thinking Malik Willis could do better? Did you know that Malik Willis turned down $20 million from the Bengals? Yeah, I saw that on Facebook. Also, did you know that Micah Parsons.
Uh saved a whole bunch of Burning house full of puppies? And if you think, what are you talking about? There's people walking amongst you. That believed that. I'm I gotta do a whole thing on some of these Facebook accounts.
Sure, had a WWE feel. That's why you don't gamble on NFL games, PI after PI. Yeah. The first hold was a little bothersome. The second one, I think he did grab Judy good enough.
If they would have given that ball to the Browns though, that would have been like they would have just been making that up. There was not enough evidence to see, although they probably did recover it. All things. Said and done. Cleveland is the number one defense for a reason.
I think a lot of Packer fans are walking away. A lot more impressed with Cleveland's defense. Like, you heard Cleveland's defense statistically. I think I heard somebody say, statistically, you'll never guess who the number one defense is. It's the Browns.
LOL. No, they are good. They are totally good. They got to figure out what to do on the other side. Although they got a couple of rookies that played well down the stretch.
Uh Flacco's not good. Flacco's he's is too old to be playing. And he's missing guys too many times. If he was more accurate, Look at it this way. If the Packers had.
Flacco and the Browns had love. Uh they'd probably win that game, the Browns do, by two scores. Linde Infante was a nice dude too. Yeah. LaFleurlette can't lead grown men and is getting okay.
I'm uh just looking at What else? Love look bad? I blame this loss on the coach. More Linde Infante. Did I swear in front of my kid today?
Oh, he dropped a Jesus Christ in front of me. I think I'm caught up. No energy today. Even the coach looked like he was hungover. No, he looks like he has no confidence in himself.
It looks like he's not comfortable playing in front of a crowd he can't judge. I'm just I gotta be done dancing around my criticism of Matt LaFleur. I don't think he's a good coach. There's plenty of things that he does fine. But I don't I don't think he's going to be the one to take us there.
Oh, no, I'm just checking my Twitter and seeing. I try to defend Jordan Love. All I said was: no one gets judged harder than making one bad decision, just Jordan Love. That dude says, Jordan Lovett, no reason to throw that one ball that got picked. It directly led the beginning of the end.
This is kind of what his naysayers bring up. Gross. Miscalculations. This was literally a game where if you play clean, you get out with a win. Without that pick they make Cleveland drive seventy five yards.
Yeah, so I think I have more long-term faith in Jordan Love than I do Matt LaFleur.
Now, does that answer any questions? Maybe not. Does it mean they're both not going to get it done? Maybe.
But I've more I have more long-term faith and love than I do LaFleur. I don't think I don't think Love's a bad quarterback. I don't think we need to discuss him as a franchise quarterback. I do think that you can pin This loss on some of his decisions. But then I think Matt LaFleur at the end swept it away.
Who's better right now? Love or Rogers? Love, love, love. Love. Rogers is a mirage.
Rodgers is where they had five turnovers from the Patriots. They didn't convert on until the very end. Rogers can still throw a good football. I don't think he's going to ever lose that. He's going to be 80, still be able to do that.
He can go live in an alternate timeline with With Peggy. Carter And come back as old man Rogers and still whip it down 80 yards down the field, but. No, I'd rather have love. Oh, the Brewers took the lead? Hold on.
Oh, the Cubs are gonna lose. I see. I see. I was gonna go run and see that with my boy. One nothing.
All right. Um okay.
Well, that fucking sucked. That's about all there is to say about that.
Sorry for all the curse language, but I'm not really sorry. After the game, I Did a good job. Trying to not scream too much. You had to scream, you had to give out one scream, and I gave one scream, but the windows are open, and I. You know, people are outside.
But yeah, that sucks. It sucks. It sucks. You almost wish you just lost to the Browns. Burden scored.
Oh, I just dropped him in a bunch of spots. Although I do have Williams starting in a league.
Okay.
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