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Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler, Grant Bills, Paul Imig. the tone and tenor around the box has changed quite substantially yeah in the last uh 24 hours first of all if you did miss our draft breakdown on bubble of markovich i did a good 30 minutes on that last week so please check that out um help me recap everything that's happened.
So basically, everyone's back, except for Brooke, two years 18 of the Clippers. Torian Prince is back, which we all think is a favor to get Gary Trent cheap, as we'll have his bird rights next year. Correct. Jericho Sims is back. Jericho Sims is back.
Ryan Rollins, not so much, or maybe but probably who knows they rescinded his offer and then out of nowhere a four-year 107 million dollar deal to miles turner which there was no mathematical way for that to happen correct but john horst found a way and that was by stretching out damian lillard's contract on coincidentally the hilarious and always fun bobby bonia day oh yeah we will now be paying damian lillard 22 million a year uh for five years as he rehabs and now can pick where he wants to go so reports about who's happy who's not happy who's this who's that there there could be no clear sign to me that the whole gap year thing is gone we're not we can't afford it yeah if yannis is this close now allegedly what's he well you know we can't you can't assume years with Giannis whether he ends up staying forever or not you can't assume years with Giannis you have to take advantage of everyone that you have and you know there's still work to be done I would say but this is a markedly younger team which for that alone maybe makes them a better team yeah and in the east i mean anything goes plus you made the pacers worse so yeah that's that's good your your thoughts paul well let me ask you guys first how many minutes this is you know not dissimilar to the Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones situation. Albeit you could contractually actually do Josh Jacobs and Aaron Jones together, but there's that 10 minute period of that one hour period. When, how many minutes in real time for you guys, Bart, you were trying to nap, Grant, you were working. How many minutes in real time did you think like that passed between, wait, no, I'm not a cap expert, but Miles Turner can't sign for this amount of like, what was your, what was your like intake of this information? I'm very curious about that for you two guys.
I never thought about it because this is the, this is not the NBA. Like once upon a time, I didn't think they'd be able to trade for Dame. And before that, I didn't really think they had the assets to do it for Drew. This happens in the NBA, right? It's like this team doesn't have any picks and no money.
And then they find a way to Jerry rig something.
So no, I was not suspicious at all. And I also like many bucks fans explained on Twitter did not get these, you know, Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones images in my head because Damian Lillard's Achilles isn't attached to his foot. A lot of people seem to have forgotten that.
So, no, I didn't second guess the money and I never started dreaming about that combo because I didn't think it was going to happen next year and maybe never. Bart, what was your intake of the information? Yeah, when we thought we had Jacobs and Jones, that was awesome. Although Jacobs has been as good as I wanted and hoped. Plus he bullied the Packers into trying to get their receivers to step up, which I'm pro about that.
It helped get Matthew Golden to be a Green Bay Packer. Yeah. I didn't really think about, I think, you know, when you got Josh Jacobs, it was, we have both. When they traded for sign miles Turner, I don't think anybody, I don't, I don't think like the next thought process could be had there. It's like, how is this happening?
And this is a big thing that is a problem with the NBA. I'm looking at people online talking about these moves, being excited about these moves. But it's not so much, oh, you know, Turner gives Giannis the capability or it's not, it's not, it's wait so do how much of our mid-level tax exemption do we have now it's not about the basketball it's not about the fit this this can't be the best way this can't be enjoyable for people except for of course i mean come on paul the triple p the triple p for paul see that was like my favorite part so i probably should have assumed that we would have taken in this information slightly differently there was this strange like i think i put the puzzle piece together about why the national media is anti-buck you want to hear it and before you do that let me just say it's not just like and it's not it's unexplainable no it's not aggressive go ahead It's mean. It's very, it doesn't make sense to me. And if I try to be the vessel and talk about that on the air, I sound like a little bitch boy because I am a Bucs fan.
I'll tell you exactly why it makes sense. And then we'll get down to the actual fit and do all the basketball stuff. John Horst operates in darkness. There's nothing that will piss off a reporter more than not being able to get information. I think, keep in mind, I've been to the dark side.
And you've been a reporter, which you don't tap into this background of yours often enough.
Well, I will in this case, and I will say there is nothing way to scorn a reporter, especially like those of the breaking news variety type of people, type of reporters, then not knowing what's happening and having to like, you know, shit, I'm plugged into 26 teams and there's these four that just, they're going to find their ways of poking that bear.
So I am convinced, especially after today, I think about, you guys know this, like I'm a scenario planner. I'm a dots on the spreadsheets, data points on the spread. I'm moving everything around to figure out what could possibly happen, even if it's not being reported. I don't, I think, I think literally I am among the 100% majority, not 99.9, 100% majority who said this was never anything I considered. This was supposed to be.
And I like, again, I'll, I'll embrace the triple P the pop pocket protector, Paul, like this is not supposed to be possible. And I think NBA reporters are scornful because they don't have any information. And I think they hate it. And I think they're going to poke and poke and poke because they're pissed and i've seen it happen 10 years of getting not hypothetical it's 10 years of getting out of milwaukee because they don't get any information uh you act like i'm reaching for this when i've seen it well no i clearly that's why clearly that's why wolf was upset because he used to get all the information he was he i mean seriously i shared a little bit with you guys recently 15 years ago man that guy had it was unbelievable unbelievable yeah how plugged in wolf so clearly he's pissed but why he's like a Sam Quinn why what you're describing Paul is like a small in the grand scheme Bart's talking about 10 years of just it's always beating on Milwaukee and pressuring Milwaukee like you know who I give a ton of credit to today and I haven't seen every show and every clip and I'll cut a lot of it before my show Brian Windhorse for going on ESPN and not saying hey risky for the bucks but instead saying what are the pacers doing you just had your best season in forever and you cheap out on the guy who's been there the longest to your enemy this is the to the enemy too you lose me the enemy this is the first time i saw kevin o'connor tweet this which triggered me because i i don't like koc but he nailed this one he's like this is the first year in recent memory where miles turner was not actively talked about as a trade piece and this is the offseason that the pacers are like no thanks we'll let you go to a rival so why are the bucks wearing this like they're doing everything possible they can to try to keep you honest which is all that anyone's been talking about and they're the ones who are like getting like dissected today instead of the pacers who just but then they get yannis or they get turner and then now goes back to yannis where chris haynes and i know we he's boys with dame and isn't he cousins with mariah or something yes yep so there is there a message that they want conveyed here or is he just being like taking liberty to be you know i i don't know there's just the the whole way that everybody's got to take something and then and i can't spend any more time on this on my show i can't do it because i again i sound like a fucking bitch but you but the one point that you should not stop on your national show and anywhere else you may be is that social media is now for profit yeah that is that should not be like brushed well it's okay that's okay we've said that point twice before that's part of it and it only took like eight minutes before chris haynes tweet was out about yannis and then of course what this brought so i mean so it was like you did eight minutes of excitement and then it was like Giannis is pissed you know like you just had to happen in that way and then you go back and you know we shared this in our chat but Jason Kidd gets fired by the Bucs and Chris Haynes said that Giannis is devastated yes quote devastated about this and I'm not saying Giannis wasn't but I do remember when Drew Holiday was traded and like Giannis had to kind of put on a face because he couldn't be too excited about Drew. I mean, excited about Dame because he had to be mournful about Drew.
And it's a tough spot. It's a, it is, it's a tough spot for Giannis to be in because he has to like dance the dance of like, oh man, like my Achilles tendon torn buddy who I desperately wanted to make a buck just got his $110 million. This is a future hall of famer who just had his $10 million contract stretched players of Damian Lillard's caliber do not have their contract stretched and waived. This is not a thing. They should more often.
I love this from the NBA. Hell yeah. More teams should do this. And I like your, the points that you've been making on, on social media grant about it and how this is like just another day in the NFL, but it's not, it's it, but in the center, but my pushback is like, he still gets his 110 million. And he's elated.
Sign me up for like being devastatingly pissed that I wasn't going to And he gets to work out at home now. He doesn't have to worry about doing Bucs bullshit. He could just take the next year off, get paid. He doesn't have to join a team and stick to any schedule if he doesn't want to. Did you guys see the Haynes clip of him on NBA TV earlier today?
It's about 45, 50 seconds. And we played it on Bill's show. And I'm like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Because they went to Haynes. What are you hearing?
You have a report about Giannis. And Haynes go, I'm told that Giannis Antetokounmpo is not pleased with the decision. And then the next thing out of his mouth was he just didn't like how it was handled. And I'm like, yeah, OK, those two things are not at all the same. They are.
Those two are complete. Those are separate.
So I think, Bart, what you tweeted earlier is right. They asked Giannis and he's like, it's a bummer. You say it's a bummer. I don't know. I can't do a Greek accent.
And they're like, oh, well, we got to tweet something. And it's like, but that's just what you say. You know what I mean? I guess that's the responsibility of being a franchise superstar that everyone wants to tweet about. And that was, I do remember when Jason Kidd was fired by the Bucs, that Giannis didn't like the way it was handled.
Well, nobody's asking. Nobody's saying like, oh, Jokic lost Michael Porter Jr. Yeah. Nobody's saying that. Did anyone call up Tyrese Halliburton or Rick Carlisle and ask about?
Yeah, what the fuck? Giannis, they got a guy. Yeah. and it's, and they're losing the guy who's hurt. And I, I feel you Barton.
You have it worse. Cause you're nationally broadcast. Like, I don't want to be the guy who constantly whines about the treatment. My small town team gets from the national media, but it is odd. Like Michael Pena has got a story up now.
He's calling this like the all time panic move that the bucks just made. And I'm like, Whoa. Yeah. Did you guys not see the headline? It right.
When we started recording, um again my column would be of course it's a panic move these have all been panic moves you're forcing the bucks to panic everybody you want the bucks to make the panic move everyone's like Giannis is watching Giannis is monitoring I don't know saying that he wasn't going to be happy enough with who they took at fucking 47 and then they go and get Miles Turner i really don't it's a it is another move though that they made in an offseason and this is a little different because the guys hurt but we keep making these huge moves we haven't had an offseason where we've been healthy since the finals i mean so we got we keep getting rid of all these guys but we we're reacting to unknowns like we don't we don't know if it would have worked We don't know. Although the Dame and Giannis thing, we can all admit, did not show the synergy. Yeah. We had plenty of time and plenty of games to see that that wasn't going to be what it needed to be. If they had been healthy, maybe they get out of the first round once, but that doesn't really change the outlook on how that era went, in my opinion.
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Multiple rings, I believe you said. Multiple championships, if I remember correctly. I said they would win one of the next two, meaning. You did? Oh, yeah.
It was something very, very strong where I was like, jeez. All right. You loved the pairing. It was first upon the acquisition. It's like, oh, you have two years of this pairing of Giannis and Dame.
And also two years younger Chris Middleton, two years younger Brooke Lopez. Like the roster was well constructed at that time. And then, of course, the playoff and the injuries happened, not just this year, but the year before. And of course, it was the first year with Dame when the Bucs had, in my opinion, a much realer chance to do something with real noise. But it is a strange part, and I really don't think this is like a local bias talking point to compare situations and say, well, where's the comment about Jokic losing the guy that he won the title with in Micah Porter?
It is strange. But let's get into some mm-hmms. I'm going to read you what, as it stands now, is the 14-man roster of the Bucs. And I'll do it from, like, point guard, air quotes, point guard, all the way down to the bigs. And this is their 14-man roster.
I'm going to assume, if the roster stands as is, that Canassas is the 15th and final spot. But the asterisk is that Markovich, I'll let Bart pronounce the first name. Bobolyub. Bobolyub? Yeah.
I'm going to assume he's on the roster.
So he's one of the 14, one of the 15. But if he goes overseas, then you can have an extra spot. Kevin Porter Jr., Gary Trent Jr., A.J. Green, Gary Harris, Kyle Kuzma, Torian Prince, Andre Jackson Jr., Markovich, Giannis, Portis, Livingston, Miles Turner, Jericho Sims, Tyler Smith. That's 14 guys.
Let's just say for the sake of the exercise that the 15 spot goes to thin asses. going into this season, the Bucs roster is better than the Bucs roster was going into last season. When of course, healthy Dame, of course, right? Healthy Dame. They need a point guard.
They had Middleton.
So they had Middleton, Brooke and Dame at the time going into the start of this past season.
Now, of course, all three of those guys are gone, but Turner is in Kevin Porter Jr. is in. You've seen more of AJ Green. You've seen more of Andre Jackson Jr. Gary Harris is in Kuzma's in, et cetera.
Right.
So while it's easy to say, of course, this is an upgrade for the box because Damian Lillard was hurt. Like he's not going to play.
So it's an upgrade from what they otherwise would have had. What I'm trying to analyze is what I'll ask you.
So the roster going into this upcoming season is better than the Bucks roster was going into last regular season.
Well, Pat's gone. We didn't mention that. You're right. And that guy is going overseas or what? That's what it sounds like.
He's going to get bought out. He's going to give back a bunch of his money so he can go play overseas.
So I'm good to just say that guy and I don't have to learn his name. Michich.
Okay. Lopez sucks.
So he's gone. Washed. He was washed. I know you're shaking your head. Oh, I just quote tweeted the ringer, the article.
i said monday the bucks need to do something drastic to keep you honest tuesday the bucks did something drastic what are those stupid idiots thinking i'll be telling my kids about that one is it better that's a good question thank you i'm not sure yeah i'm hesitant to say it's not now i'll just add this while you guys ponder it grant you did say this roster is clearly younger if there's anything that alone is the tiebreaker it might be and look i'm i'm more excited about this this is as excited as i've been about the bucks probably since the damian lillard trade or maybe opening night against the sixers the bucks the bucks have found a way to make like now i'm interested in watching the regular season again yeah there's juice so like even younger I think they're deeper. Yeah. I think they're deeper. Yeah. A lot, too, is going to depend on what we get out of...
Oh, I didn't mention Gary Harris either, did I? I said his name when I was doing the roster, but yeah.
So is that true? There's two Garys in the league and we have them both? We've got both Garys. And there's two juniors on the roster as well. We're cornering the market on juniors and Garys.
I mean, a lot of it's going to be... A lot of it's going to depend on Kevin Porter Jr. And we know that he's not going to do a damn thing in the playoffs. Thanks, Bond Temps.
So can I call it a wash? I think so. You're subtracting from, you're subtracting from, you know, Dame, and that is weaker. The backcourt, as it were. and now you're way better with with a turner yannis portis kind of triangle yeah bobby stays in his comfortable role you're not gonna have to ask him to step up and do something that he's never had to do yeah yannis can have the ball a little more yep you know when i say we need a point guard uh yannis is clearly capable also like i want fanassus on this team I want him to be a part of the team and i want him to play it so pissy about it i want him to play minutes i don i don know about that but we can discuss it further i i'm interested in hearing more of that i don't know if now's the time i i think paul i think i will say mm-hmm slightly and now we have the benefit of knowing how last year's roster went, Giannis and Dame never turned into the thing that they needed to turn into.
Like they needed this beautiful synergistic thing that was greater than the sum of the parts. And that was supposed to be the thing that led the team. And they didn't become that. And that really limited the value of both of the guys, right? Because if Giannis had the ball in his hands, helps the team, Dame's kind of useless and vice versa.
Sure. Turner, even if they don't become this beautiful pairing, the Shaq and Kobe thing, their skill sets aren't going to stomp on each other in a way that, you know, Giannis and Dame did.
So I still feel like you'll get the requisite value from both Turner and Giannis, even if they, you know, it's just another center combo. Even if he just comes in and is Brooke Lopez, I think the value and the certain players around the court, like they're not going to be repetitive and they're not going to be as wasted as they were with Damian Lillard here similar to points that you know bart's made about you want to make a joke and then you quick look to twitter oh six people have already made that joke so like sometimes i'll say something and for example like i compared the josh jacobs aaron jones thing i i not that that takes a rocket scientist to come up with that comp but i didn't know coming into a grant that that had already been bandied about so you were ready to like swat that one away um with with this it's like i don't think it takes rocket science to say miles turner and brooke lopez i'll be at eight years apart are great comms for each other. They are shot blocking centers who stretch the floor and can shoot well, but we've talked about it for as long as the three of us have been doing this about how like Miles Turner is an eight years younger version of Brooke Lopez. It's hard to find a center that fits with Giannis because he's kind of a center. He's kind of a point guard.
He's neither. If you would have been like, Hey, like a good center, like Daniel Gafford, a good center like Rudy Gobert. You can never play these guys with Giannis. Your spacing would be completely, you know, you just can't, right? Like you have to have a five, like a Miles Turner, like a Brooke Lopez before he was washed to stretch the floor and also protect the rim.
It's, it is the only type of center that can work. And I would say you would rather have a Miles Turner. I am not a Carl Anthony Towns guy. I would much rather have Miles Turner type player with Giannis than a Carl Anthony Towns type, because if you have that type of defensive liability at the five, a la like a Towns, you're not going to do much. Like Giannis needs that other big who can be a deterrent around the rim.
So all of it to say, my instinct is to call it a wash or to like have one of you guys convince me. And I think, Grant, your comment about, well, it's younger. I think that's right. I mean, Dame went into last season at age 34 and a half. Lopez was 36.
Middleton was, age aside, was clearly his knees. He had logged the miles. And they are younger now. And the roster seems, I mean, it's different. It's a different strengths and different weaknesses.
We now can also say, like, well, now we know what A.J. Green is, who I think is a hell of a player who Doc had better. I mean, if they could move off of Kuzma, it might change my answer. And maybe they are. And maybe that's, is all part of the plan.
Like they, like I, I said the roster to you looking at the cross and the NBA is not at a point now where you can just say point guard and then list the depth and then shooting guard. And then that's, especially not when Giannis is on the floor because he's just such an untraditional player. And a lot of players like him are like same of Jokic, same of Tatum. Like it goes, it goes with a lot of those, you know, top tier guys. But having said that, while you can't do the position by position thing, like you could have 15 years ago, it is strange as I was putting together.
And it's like, here's your shooting guards, quote unquote shooting guards, like Gary Trent, AJ Green, Gary Harris. And then at the three, you're like Kuzma, Torian Prince, Ajax. It's like you have five, but then you only have Kevin Porter Jr. at point guard.
So either this is a commitment to point Giannis, which by the way, let's rock. Let's go. Yeah, I think that's I think that's good. I just don't want that to be the only option. It looks like Ryan Rollins has a cap hold.
So like if I'm reading things correctly, when all the other deals process, they may be able to just bring him back. They well.
So when you were saying so what my understanding is when you were saying that now you were sending the cap hold. It doesn't mean you couldn't still resign Rollins. You could. Yeah. It's not like the jury's not out on Ryan Rollins yet.
Yeah. But you're not going to do it with the traditional cap hold that that you earn. I have no clue what a cap hold is.
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So are we officially landing with like a very like tepid on if this, this roster going into this season's better? Is that great? I don't think I think, I think, and I'm going to go with my gut. I'm way more excited this year than I was last year. Yeah.
And that has to mean something, but does that have to do with the East being so open? Yeah, for sure. For me, it does maybe part of it. Yeah, probably. Cause you know, cause you know, there's a real chance.
Cause it's, The East is what it is. It's winnable. And now you don't have to talk about gap years. And that has favor just because you don't have to say gap year. There are two point guards on the market, veteran point guards.
Last week, I asked you about one of them, ironically, with an mm-mm or fuck no in relation to Russell Westbrook. But let's just recap and say, as we just were talking about, the Bucs point guard depth chart includes Kevin Porter Jr., end of list. Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook as the final piece of this Bucs puzzle? Is Russ going to the Kings? I mean, they just signed Dennis Schroeder, so I don't know if that would make sense for him, but I don't know.
I don't want Paul. No one wants Paul. Did you say him? I did say. I said Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook.
I mean, they're vet men. They're vet men. I would say, of guys that I would never be able to root for. They're both right there at the top of that list.
Well, Russ, I could enjoy Russ. I know I shit on him two weeks ago. I could have fun with the Russell. I've always liked him. He's just, I don't know.
you know there's like some things he does it's you're you're so happy about and then some things he does that are so what the fuck but then they like narrow out to neutral he will he will win you three games he will lose you four games yeah yeah you might as well just have ryan rollins just like be you know blend in with the background probably um chris paul would be high on the list of guys I would never want on this team. Halliburton. Although, if you put Halliburton on this team right now. Two down, two to go, Chris Paul. If you put Halliburton on this team with Giannis and Turner, because then that'd be the Pacers.
That'd be just Giannis with being Siakam. Just what everybody wanted. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
A veteran point guard? I mean, maybe it's these two names. I don't know who the, who else to throw on that list, but.
Well is there anyone else there that tickles your fancy Well these were the two that came to mind and then these two didn exactly Well I rather have Russ if that what you asking What does it say that Kyrie blew his ACL out Got a three-year deal. I would, like, stretching Dame, to go back to that for a second, stretching Dame's contract, it's going to be like, oh, yeah, fuck, we got that $20 million. but we are used to that in other sports dead cap we're used to dead cap I don't know what Dame was going to be when he came back 36 years old coming off an Achilles I mean it would be unprecedented for him to be an even good player much less great player next year and then the year after would probably this is how it would go he'd come back maybe at the end of next year maybe and he wouldn't be good and then we'd go into the offseason and we'd say well this is actually like he's really coming back now and then he would stink and then we'd say well but this is his first season i remember this is his first season back so we'd be like two seasons and change i guess like a year and a season and a half into this thing before we could even draw a conclusion and by that point he's 36 so even if his achilles is great now he's old as shit so like yeah i don't know this i maybe this is insensitive so sorry to bucks fans if i'm stomping on your emotions today everyone's like man i'm glad that we got miles turner but i just i'm just torn to bits about this damn thing and i'm sitting here at work at my computer like fucking why like we watched it it didn't work he's gonna get all his money he gets to rehab wherever he wants and play for whoever he wants. They didn't kick him out and keep all his money. He's getting it all.
It's fine. It's when people were like feeling really bad for Budenholzer or Tibbs. It's like, you know that like they get to now do whatever they want for years and get the money they would have already otherwise have gotten by working. It's okay. I think they're going to be all right.
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Maybe they didn't have to do all that. The Clippers couldn't negotiate it harder, but sorry. But ultimately like they had to, to get Kawhi, you had to do this. I say that because Miles Turner is going to get 26.75 per year average, but you have to, you do have to add $22 million onto that. Because you're paying the equivalent of a $48 million roster spot for Miles Turner, because you can't just have Miles Turner.
To have Miles Turner at 26 a year, you have to not have Dame at 22 a year. You can look at it like that. You can also just add a million and a half dollars to everybody's salary. But I'm saying you can't just have Miles Turner at 26. You have to have him.
What were they going to pay Dame to not play? 50 for me so let me tell you the lead topic i was going to come in with and i had tested this on my my two nba buddies who are really into it too um this is this is how bad it was is that i was going to propose to you the scenario of if bradley beal waves his no trade clause you would trade injured dame for bradley beal straight up or and what my buddies and i had bandied about was like oh god but also after working through it, like not happily. But the point is, is like, if you can have an able to play Bradley Beal at that salary slot or a not able to play Damian Lillard, you take the able to play Bradley Beal.
So it's the equivalent of trading Damian Lillard for Bradley Beal, because you would have had to pay Beal his $55 million per year. And by the way, he might've been disgruntled in doing so because he didn't waive his no trade clause the first time to come to Milwaukee when he had the opportunity to do so a couple years ago.
So you're paying Miles Turner $48 a year. I mean, the cost of doing the business, he won't see that money. He'll see $26 of the $48. But if you want to look at his dead cap, or you want to look at it as more on the Miles Turner salary, that is one way to say it, but you couldn't do one thing without the other.
So I just think it's worth noting. I had something very important to tell you I should have written it down Also I have four minutes If there's anything very important you want to get to Oh Malik Beasley I fucking knew that was going to happen I knew you were going to let Paul start whatever he was going to say And then you were going to remember Well you didn't give me a lot of time Tim can edit that in post Go ahead sure I thought you were getting a Diet Coke. That looks like an OC. It's a Coke Zero. Oh, that's good, too.
Yeah, what about Malcolm Brogdon? You know what? I should have added that. That is, if he's in the vet minimum category, bring him home. Who also, by the way, was traded to the Pacers, so we can reverse engineer some more Pacers.
We can't, like, we need to, if anything, we need to like celebrate that we took a pacer more okay so what i was going to say before you had your very important comment about malcolm brogdon apparently was where bart where did you end up putting the pacers in your official bardo meter last week okay so this okay so miles turner is gone replaced by eight i put the bucks eight so the pacers are now no miles turner no turner Hawks are in. Yes. That was going to be my question. Are the Pacers like out? And Grant, you said last week, I think you had the Pacers closer to one than eight.
I don't remember if you eventually put in your final vote, but you're nodding your head. Are Pacers like not a playoff team now next year?
Well, do they want to be? They just let their franchise center go. I think they're a playoff team. Come on. They're deep.
They got a bunch of guys. But last week we were talking about the ability to win a title. I mean, Tony Bradley is their starting center. I don't know. Unless they signed DeAndre Ayton.
The Hawks are poised to be a team on the come up. I need a little proof of concept for a month. Can I see it? Can I see it for a month? I've been hearing about the Hawks for five years now, ever since he got traded.
I'd just like to see it. That's all. You still have some stock in Hawks Island? I will say this, and Bart, you should mention this. I do think DeAndre Ayton, he could totally choose the Lakers if he wants.
You should mention that DeAndre Ayton signed the offer sheet with Indiana four years ago. Indiana was happy to let Miles Turner walk because they wanted, they actually physically signed DeAndre Ayton to his offer sheet and Phoenix matched it. They were going to dump Miles Turner four years ago in favor of Ayton. And so they might have just fast forwarded four years and done that now. And if Ayton wanted to be a pacer then, obviously he did, he signed with them.
Why wouldn't he want to now four years later?
So I think to my point about like, oh, is Tony Bradley the starting center? I mean, he would be if they had a game tonight. But I would bet that Aiton goes to the Pacers.
Now, having said that, like, it sounded like, I'm sure you guys have read about it. The Blazers were like so thankful that they could get any money back from Aiton because he's just apparently a bit of a, I don't know, head case or whatnot. He didn't come to a game because his driveway was icy once upon a time. Amazing. And when asked early in his career what a successful career would look like, he set a second contract.
I do not remember that. That's a great, I mean, that's a real good answer, though. I mean, it is, yeah. I mean, I think so. I mean, look.
What's the average, three years? Exactly. You put yourself into generational money. You secure your family's future and their children's children. Yeah, but you don't say that.
You think it to yourself. All right. I'm going to get this posted before Giannis gets traded after all this. If the Bucks pull off a Kyle Kuzma trade and or sign like a Brogdon or whatever, like that. Yeah.
We'll tack it on then Bart, because that would be the icing on the cake of a day like this. Oh, I'll go live. If Kuz gets traded, I mean, real talk, if nothing else, and this is what Michael Pina won't write about. If this goes South next year, miles Turner is a nice trade piece. Totally.
Contender will want that. Yeah. Also, it was going to go south anyway. This is hitting an iceberg at some point. Why can no one get that through their fucking skull?
People imagine like, well, when Giannis leaves, don't you want to be – there is no being set up for what's next. We're at least trying to throw shit off the boat. We're sinking.
Okay. We're all dying. We just know we're not going to die as soon as we thought we were.
So we're happy about that. God forbid we live a fucking let out. and boats are sinking all around us i just saw one go down over there the pay the pacers drove their boat right into the ice purposely had to hop over we saved his goddamn life all i know is that look everyone's freaked out about global warming and the end of humanity i i look around we're doing in our solar system at least we're doing pretty good you know what i mean like we we're doing better than the human another day exactly guys it's always a pleasure. Thank you all for stopping into fall. The Winklerverse.
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