Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler alongside Grant, it's Bills, Grant Bills and Paul Imig. Close enough.
Yeah. Guys, thanks for being here on another installment of our Mmhmm Mmhmm edition, which if you are listening via the audio platform, you can also see on the Dan Cheney YouTube stream on YouTube. If you're on YouTube, you can check it out.
Wherever you get your podcast. Now that that is settled, um, how are you guys? Good.
You did that was a good way to start, right? I don't know. It's almost like you are just trained at doing this five nights a week. Fucking horses and racing in the Preakness. When I see that news that the horse is like not going for the Triple Crown, I get excited. I get more excited about that than I would a Triple Crown.
Load management for a horse. Yeah. For what it's worth talking to like the intro of your show, Bart, I almost texted this so that Grant could hear it. But Grant, did you hear Bart opening with Popovich retirement news like two or three nights ago? Or maybe it was last week?
I didn't. Everyone throughout the whole day, right? It's like, oh, Popovich retirement and all this is, you know, it's kind of, you know, it's just what a, wow, what a day. I thought I'd hear from you on this. And Bart just is like, so Popovich retired.
Am I supposed to care? Yeah. It was the most, you know, like if everything you say is like a, on the Bart scale of like the most Bartish, that was like a 10 on the Bartish. Well, Pop yesterday, he's like, I'm no longer Pop. I'm El Jefe.
Yeah. And everyone's like, that's so funny. And I'm like, how? What is funny? He's the boss in Spanish. Is this like a long time thing where he has done Spanish things? Is it something that you say when you, am I like, I feel like I'm missing a joke.
Yeah. I just appreciated that. Like if you probably listened to your station, wherever someone was listening to that station throughout the day, let's say they listened to it 14 straight hours leading up till 9 PM central time, they probably heard hours of like, Popovich is just wonderful. And what a great coach, one of the best stuff, which of course he was, but like all of this over the top stuff. And then you open the show with like, I mean, a coach retired.
What do you want me to do? Well, it seems like the things that I would like Popovich for like him being very good and some of the things he speaks out on, you say anything else? It's the things that people are like, Oh, well, he cuts people off. And I hate that. What did he do when he cuts, when he does those short sideline interviews and they're so awkward.
And yeah, again, like, I think you said this or set a version of it, but yeah, the badge of honor to get Popovich. I don't get it. I don't know either. I don't either, but I don't, I don't lose. I don't lose sleep over it because he doesn't seem like a mean guy. He doesn't seem like a mean spiteful guy.
Like their coaches who are just a holes and that reflects on the way that they handle the media. I don't know. There's got to be an exit Belicheck name.
You know what I mean? Like Belicheck is not the guy from the reds who told me to leave. Cause I didn't have a question for him. Brian Pierce. Is that the guy who gave us the, how the fuck does that benefit? The reds drop the same guy. So again, there are guys who seem like jerks and then it's just, it happens to come out against me.
Popovich seems very nice and friendly, but he just likes being a dick to reporters for some reason. I don't get it. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. I, I just, it felt like I was going to, if I, the thing I hate the most is eulogy radio. Yeah, totally.
A hundred percent. So I felt like if I start saying all these, like he's still alive. Yes. And also I can't just eulogize and I know I'm not giving the eulogy, but eulogy radio for those that it's, it's spending 10 to 15 minutes, like really compassionate, really caring, uh, and what they meant to you.
I think the only time I would have done it this year is about Euchre. Yeah. I, you had to, and I, it's not my favorite thing to do either. So I, I understand where you're coming from there.
I mean, it just can't be, it's just, it's, it's not for me. It's not, it's not what I excel at because I don't feel like I'm genuine if I do it. Yeah. I mean, which is good.
Everyone's doing it. Yeah. If I'm going to do 15 minutes on pop for how great he was and how much he meant, I'm going to be like, you're, you're acting, you're, you're, you're cosplaying. This isn't what you think. What you think is, yeah, he's a good coach and now he's not coaching anymore.
And I'm glad he's alive. That's what you think. So say that. Yeah.
Good for you. And there were a couple of times where you said something like, but also guys again, he's not dead. Yeah, he's not. He's alive. Actually, you may consider he got a promotion. He's not even done working for the Spurs.
He may have more duties than prior. It was hard to watch him walk in and out of that press conference though. Yes, it was. I'm glad I said everything before I saw that.
Yeah, for sure. Just know that your segment still had more touch and grace than a Francesca on Stanley a couple of years ago. One of my favorite sports radio clips of all time. You've never seen that Paul, a caller called in and was like, all right, Peter Stanley and Francesca had no clue who he was. And then one of the producers, like he did, you know, Marvel comic books and Francesca goes, Oh, who cares?
It's like, what a deck. Oh, it's funny though. Oh, would you like my 32nd thunderbolts review?
Sure. I'm sorry. I thought it was new Avengers. Do you not have the internet Paul?
Like I don't even follow this stuff. It's good. It's grounded. It's good.
The hell does that mean? It's not like it's not like they just skip around planets in space and they're like, Oh, here we are on this planet now. Yeah, sure. I liked it way better than a brave new world.
The captain America won. They still like, I thought at one point, I thought at one point, I don't know. Sometimes, sometimes the stakes you're like, Oh my God.
And then they're like, Oh, okay. Oh, sure. Yeah.
Sometimes they're like, and I still have like questions about, I just, the Marvel universe is so big that I always leave with these questions that I don't think are that insane to ask, but why don't they think about them on the movie? Yeah. Like we've seen Daredevil now and thunderbolts and all these things happen in New York. Like at some point, Spider-Man's gotta be like, Hey, I might go help out. Right.
The universe is too big now. Yeah. You need a reason at least that like, Oh, he's tied up in this other thing. And yeah.
And I would, I want to know, I want to hear them say that. Could someone accidentally go to thunderbolts having not really seen much of the rest and watch and enjoy a good movie? You could, uh, there's enough of the exposition that they share.
Like you understand all these people have troubled past. I mean, ghost is in the movie and Ant-Man and the wasp came out seven years ago. I don't think anybody even remembers her character. Yeah.
I'm not even sure I do. Um, so I, yeah, it was, it was very good. Um, a lot of heart and, you know, post credit scene was good.
Directed by Avengers. Yep. Yep. So, uh, very good. I may go try to see this one again. Wow. Bring the kiddo.
No, he doesn't really know who any of these people are. Red guardian is now at Disneyland. I saw Avengers campus. We'll have to get there. All right.
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The other day I went to, I was playing basketball with my kid and I hit the ball like behind me and he touched my belly thinking that was the ball. So we have issues. What do you got for us Paul? El Jefe. We are, we are going to talk about Jadis.
The followup, the sequel. It's what we talked about last week when we were really ahead of the conversation. And now I'm just extremely annoyed at even the national media who I like.
Like folks in national media they like. Now they're talking about it and I don't like what they have to say. So that's a teaser, but I do want to start with the thing that's most aggravating to me at the moment. And I want to ask you this, the Indiana Pacers, the current present day, Indiana Pacers are your least favorite team in all of sports right now.
I think Bart should go first because I think my answer will play nicely after we hear his answer. Bart Winkler, the Indiana Pacers right now, present day, current your least favorite team in all of sports. So the only, the first two other ones that came to mind. 49ers. 49ers and the Cubs. Okay. And even so Bears and Vikings aren't even. Well the Bears, Bears is going to get, Bears is going to get right back up there once they're like three and three.
And my timeline's inundated with, you know, the guys on the score talking about how Caleb Williams is actually better than Jayden Daniels, even though the commanders are five and one. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Which hosts on the score specifically will that be? Every.
I'll have to look them up. Rami. Yeah, probably. Yeah. I got it. So I'm close to saying, here's my problem with the Pacers, if I may.
One, I'll give you a compliment. They know who they are. They know how to play a game that allows them to win. Like that sounds simple, but look at the Boston Celtics the other night.
They took 63s. They missed about a three point shot every one minute and one seconds. Playoff record, Jason Tatum, world-class basketball player. You see his shot chart against 6-1 Jalen Brunson? Yeah. He's taking step back threes.
Okay. The Celtics, there's a better version of the Celtics, but they don't, they just chuck up enough threes and if they make them they're going to win. And typically the Celtics will have a game where they're 15 of 60 and still win. They're just good.
They're a talented team and they can get past their mistakes. So the Pacers know who they are. I'm trying to figure out why if it takes three guys to stop Yanis Adetokounmpo with a wall, why one of these coaches can't just put a guy on Tyrese Halliburton.
It is strange. I mean, Brook Lopez opens the velvet rope for him and then the Cavs were doing the same thing. He can get anything he wants at the rim. I think what's my issue is the same issue I had with Russell Wilson after the fair fail Mary. There's no acknowledgement of how you got the success. It was a fail Mary, it was incomplete, it was touchdown and he didn't say, I just say something like, wow, that was a crazy play or never seen that before or happy to be on the receiving end of that one.
Instead, he's all like, oh, I knew it. Glory be to, you know, it's like, okay. With Tyrese Halliburton and TJ McConnell and Miles Turner and Siakam and all these guys, they're acting like they are slaying dragons.
They are acting like they are David beating Goliath and it's possible that they are, but the Goliaths they are beating are in hospice care and they are still celebrating as if they were the ones that put them there. The series last year against the Bucks injured and got more injured. The Knicks lost guys as the series went on. The Bucks this year, Dame Hurt comes back hurt again. Even the Cavs without Garland and now we'll see about Tuesday night, now the Cavs are falling victim to the same curse. If there was any acknowledgement or any recognition, I don't, I don't, I don't know that I like, what do you want him to do?
Say it, you know, we're taking advantage of injured teams. I think I do. I just, I just don't want him to be like, it's nine to, it'll be nine to six tonight.
And Tyrese is going to scream into a basketball. Yeah. Like, relax, dude. So do I hate them the most? Do I hate them the most? Least favorite team in all of sports.
I still think the 49ers have a little more for me. Wow. Okay. I really do hate them.
So Grant, I'm gonna kick it to you because my answer is a definitive quick, don't have to think much about it. And what I said to you guys. The Pacers feel like this is a thing we have to deal with and then it will go away. See, but I will watch the 49ers who I also dislike. I will watch other teams I dislike. This reminds me of, and I kind of mentioned this, but X-Pac the wrestler used to get what they called like go away heat. You know, like we're not booing you because, Oh, you're a bad hero. He'll and boo. We're bringing cause we don't want to see you. Yeah.
The Pacers for me are go away heat. I'm not going to watch them until they're done. I can't. I tried and I realized I'm not able to.
That's a, that's a me problem. Well, no, it's watching the Pacers. It's like the team that you're they're playing against becomes the bucks already. Like now you're super into the Cavs. You don't care about the Cavs.
No, right. You need them to beat the Pacers. I'm a big Knicks fan right now. I don't hate the Celtics. I can do the Pacers, but I'm like, go Knicks. Even though I was cheering for the Pistons five days ago, but the patient was tough because my kid is a piss, a Celtics fan. Then I tell you this, they saw he's in this little league and they assigned five teams. You're in a Milwaukee area league.
Shorewood box Pacers Kings bulls Celtics. Like it was green jerseys. I guess. Who else would they be? I don't have a green Jersey.
The boxer green be convenient. They let the bucks be, they might've let the bucks. Yeah. The bucks were like, it was red, yellow, purple, green, and black.
The bucks were black dumb. Anyway, you can't do that. Cause then this kid's always going to like the, like for the longest time, I liked the red Sox because that's the team I was in kindergarten.
So maybe it'll fade away. Maybe I was Tim McGraw in kindergarten. I, I was, I, I never had this experience of having a sports team. I, it wasn't my thing. Interesting that you guys had that. Great.
It's a good, something good to add here. Yes. Um, Pacers, your least favorite team in sports.
No. Um, in fact, I think if, if not for the Pacers eliminating the bucks in back-to-back years, I don't know that I'd have strong feelings against them at all. I think it all stems from that, which is reasonable and fine. First of all, and I said this on my show last night, I'm going to say it more tonight. Cause Justin's coming on and he's coming on because I was texting with him about this and he was agreeing with everything I'm saying. It's like, can you please do this when other people are like, he's a blues fan.
I was thinking about him the other night. So I'm going to have to, I'm going to surprise him with that at the beginning of our hit, but the Pacers are way better than bucks. Fans want to admit like, yes, they've capitalized on injury luck. They are.
And it seems like they're doing it again. They're good. They play with great pain. I don't think they're good. They just know how to maximize their ability as a team. Is that the definition of good? I think that's part of, that's part of it. Oh shit.
Okay. I think they're role players like them hard and knee Smith all raising their level in the post-season instead of forgetting how to fucking play like Tory and Prince and others, like that's a big part of it. They play with great pace.
They're fun. They rebound. They were pulling rebounds down in crunch time over the cabs who are running two bigs.
You know what I mean? Like the cab should be scooping up everything and they couldn't secure a ball on a defensive rebound to try to come back in the last few minutes. I think the Pacers are way better than most bucks. Fans want to admit myself included. I think Tyrese Halliburton is a bit of a dork, although he was my guy when he was on the Kings. I think his dad is a loser and a moron based on what he said on Milwaukee TV.
Like I was looking through him. Okay. Yeah. Like, I guess if you can say that and thinking people are going to buy it, I guess that tells us what we need to know about you. Um, I think they might just win the East. The Pacers might, um, I think, I think they're really good and I don't like them cause they beat the bucks. But other than that, like that's, that's kind of the only reason why.
So let me just add to that and say, I've told you this guy's you guys this before. I like the NBA and watching the NBA. I'm an NBA fan before I'm a box fan. You are fan of the league, fan of the league, my hatred for the Pacers.
And like, it's probably different than some box fans, maybe even in barts. I know what I'd like to watch in basketball. And I know what I don't like to watch in basketball.
And because basketball is so good at like showing the personalities of players, it's very easy to love or hate a basketball player because they're so expressive and they don't have helmets and hats and whatever else. And once I'm out, like, again, I, the best analogy I can use, and I think it's the right one is like X-Pac heat. Not another hospice one. Oh, okay.
No X-Pac heat. I mean, it's, it's the, the idea of go away heat where it's like, I'm not, I just don't, I'm not interested in your product. It's a TV show.
Watching a Pacers game is watching a show. I don't want, I don't like this show. I don't like the characters involved and I'm just not going to fucking watch it. It's better for me if I just don't watch it.
And that's like when Paul swears, you know, it's got a little more oomph to it. They're selective. There's only a few things that I get like kind of passionate about and this, I just, I don't want to watch it. So I'm not going to, and thus they have go away heat. They have X-Pac heat and they are my least favorite team in sports.
And though the Cubs would be a close second, like just council leaving the Brewers for the Cubs and some of the stuff that followed probably would have been flip-flopped one and two, but you know, whatever the Cubs are good. I'm not super bothered by it personally at the moment. And the Pacers are, the Pacers make me not watch playoff basketball.
And that is a hard thing to do to get me to not watch playoff basketball. I would like to just pivot off your council thing. Please.
Where do, where, what are, what are our May 2025 feelings on council? I no longer have the white hot rage that I once felt, but I do have, I've processed that and it has gone into the assembly line. And every time I see him, like I'm no longer like, it's not that I'm mad at him. I just look at him. I'm like, that guy sucks. Yeah. He's a loser of a person. Yeah. I was going to say before you said what you said, I was like, yeah, he's, he's, he's just a turd. Yeah.
Yeah. He's fine. I mean, he's again, like you say you like, you look, he's like, oh, okay. When some of the decisions that happened and the way in which they happened in the comments that followed, and then you go back to the, always a brewer, just like one of your stuff, like, again, you can't, things change and like new information, I'm fine with people changing their mind, but you can't stand on certain ledges like he did and say some of the things that he did. I mean, it would honestly be like, and we can transition to the, the honest topic with this if you want, but it's like the reports today are Los Angeles or New York and maybe Miami when every honest quote ever that has talked about or hinted at or alluded to where he would play if it wasn't Milwaukee was like, not the big cities. It's like, so now if you honest makes a trade request, which I'm fine with, you know, I've, I've brought my, we talked about it last week. Like, I think it's actually the right thing for everyone involved. I don't want national media talking about it and telling me that certain players can't be in it for whatever reasons. But like, I'm fine with that.
But then if you honest is like, it has to be New York or LA, I'm going to be like, I'll still be honest. He's not going to ever get like counsel, but it's like, huh? I wouldn't at least know like what changed. And I don't think counsel ever explained what changed other than money.
But what would he not admit that it was about money? Yeah. Saying that would go a long way. If you're just like, Hey, I want to make the most money I possibly can. Fuck. Yeah, man, go for it. But if you're gonna be like, no, no, no, no.
Like it's for these other 17 reasons, money. You're because now I'm like, he's gonna come on and say, Look, I just want to talk to Brewers fans. I meant everything that I've ever said. I love the my childhood.
I love growing up here. I can't even believe that I had this job. As I've been a manager for a little longer. It's it's so painful to say, but I'm not getting the resources that I think that I want to build a championship and I want to be a winner. I was a winner as a player.
I need to be a winner as a as a manager. And yes, they are offering me more money and I'm only human. But like, I don't want it to get to this point.
I never thought this isn't. I'm not trying to leave you guys. I don't want to leave Milwaukee. I want to be there as much as I can. But for for what I do, I just this is what I feel like I need to do.
And I only live once and I just got to do it like that. What first off that would have been so different, so much better. Instead, he scoffs when he sees McKelvie and another report. He's like, what like, what are you doing here? How can I possibly come out and be like, Oh, fuck this guy when he's like, said a nice sincere thing.
You can't. And I'd be a jerk. Well, I want to say this too. And then grant, please feel free to jump in, obviously.
Feel free to jump in, obviously. But like what you described Bart reminded me of when Daniel Bryan became Dan Brett Bryan Danielson. And he wrote this long thing for the athletic or something, right? Where it was like, I hope you'll find me, you'll continue with me on my journey. If you don't, I understand. But I really appreciate you supporting me all these years. Everything I ever said about being in WWE, I've meant for my next path. Like, I really hope you'll come with me on this journey.
But if you don't, thank you for all your years of love and support. Nothing changes. Council could have done that. And like, did most people follow him to AEW? Like, not really. Right. Like it wasn't like, and that's fine.
But like, at least have some humility and some level of like, I don't know, human acts like this is a thing that is happened to him and not a thing that he is choosing. Yeah. Right.
Like I didn't, I just was drafted by the Cubs. Yeah. Like it's so weird.
It's so weird. So I think of him and I think of, oh, this is a liar and I don't trust this person. So fuck him. Yeah. That's what I don't like. I don't like that he, you can do whatever you want, as long as to your point, Bart into your explanation, which is a very, very good one, that there was some level of explanation instead of just like, oh, it's not about the money. Like, bro, it's cool.
Go get money. It's great. Rock and roll. Don't lie about it. Now you're a liar. So Bart, you've worked in sports radio and Paul, you've been very into sports radio, even though it's, it maybe hasn't been your gig, like it has been Bart's. Something that I constantly need to remind myself of, and callers will occasionally broach this as well, is that fan is short for fanatic.
And it would be nice if council came out and was honest about it. It'd still be a scumbag and a suck and a deck. And I I'm a Bruce fan. So screw him. But you, you are right.
I think he did make it worse by honestly, I, I was a little surprised. You're too smart for that. I think you've been praised as boy genius forever. So I guess I'm assuming, but I assume you're smart enough to ruin Kestin here.
You're smart enough to realize that Bruce fans might not love the fact that the same way Aaron Rogers ruined Amari Rogers. Sure. Sure. And I, I was the leader of the Kestin here, a sucks club forever until now I can use it against a great council. No, I'd, I'd still screw him.
I still hate him. But how about this? How about this impromptu topic? An MLB manager almost has zero effect on a team's win-loss record. Mm-hmm. Or, mm-mm.
Mm-mm. You tell me this, the queen of England has no effect on the national morale and approach of England. So you're saying you're a figurehead. You're a, you're a, you're a mascot. You're a, you're a, you're a mascot figurehead. Yes.
Mascot. No. Okay. Seems childish. Okay. I thought last year the team had a different identity, which was reflective of Pat Murphy's identity. And I think towards the end of council's tenure, the team started taking on councils like standoffish.
I hate being alive identity. I agree. Then ultimately you'd say like, did that change the win loss record? Yeah, it has to. You would think, think, think.
Yeah. Morale, morale changes your productivity. I think that's probably fair.
But then let me follow up with this. The MLB manager has less impact on wins and losses compared to an NFL head coach or an NBA head coach. So MLB has the least impact on win loss compared to when do we get mad at managers when they make a bad bullpen decision? Can I just say something when they pinched a guy in the playoffs?
Grant, I think we talked about this before. I don't know if it was on here, but this fucking schedule that they have, it's stupid. Houston, Tampa, Cleveland, Minnesota, Baltimore, we got to get rid. I want to go back to two divisions of seven inter league plays gone. National league doesn't have the DH. This version of baseball is too corporate for me.
Corporate. I, I just don't understand. Like I like a little inter league play.
It was always cool growing up because it was a novelty. It's like, Ooh, the brewers are playing the Yankees this week. What I need to pay attention to that. But when the Yankees came to town once every six years. Yeah. This balance schedule. So maybe we don't go as extreme, but the balance schedule sucks. Um, I hated that I would go to five different bird games in a season and I'd end up seeing the pirates four times, but also I do kind of miss that. I don't miss that many times, but there's a middle ground between what we have now and what we used to have.
Right. Like there's no reason that the brewers should be playing American league attendance is already like, eh, and now it's like, Oh, come into town or, you know, they're going on the road. If you want people to watch on TV, like these, these match-ups just don't do it for me. It's like, but now you get to see all the teams bitch for the first time in human history.
You can see any team, any time you want the time to have inter league play was 30 years ago, not now. And in a sport, in a sport where like makeups and double headers are common, you're playing so many games, where do you squeeze them in the Washington nationals and guardians got suspended on Monday postponed. So they're doing a double header on Tuesday playing an 11 AM game on Wednesday.
They're going to play three game series in 24 hours. Yeah. It's stupid. Yeah. And it's not a double header today.
And then they got an early Wednesday getaway day. Stupid. Um, one other thing that's stupid, and then we can talk about Giannis. They're using that nineties NBA on NBC voice guy. They're recreating him via AI. To now deliver the packages because it's one thing to have the theme, but now we have to have, uh, this AI voice who they're going to use.
It'd be like, if Dodgers games were still called by Vince Scully, it would be horrible. Um, so I there's like, I hate where AI is heading because I hate that it's taking over jobs. I don't even like, if you go to like a fast food restaurant and you type in your order on the kiosk and then that should be somebody that takes your order. Um, I've used it standing there doing, yeah, no, have I used AI?
Have I used these large scale models or whatever? When I have, when I have, have I used AI, um, you know, every Friday I have to do a NASCAR preview. So I asked Grok to give me a three sentence preview of the NASCAR week.
I do. Um, but, but I don't feel like that's taking away anyone's job. I think what you're describing, like when, when SNL, they lost Jim Pardo or Don Pardo, yeah. Daryl Hammond took over as the bill hater, Jerry O'Terry.
He took over as that still kind of sounds like him. So he's emulating him, but it's still a human person. And the thing about this is this Jim Fagan guy, when you die, if you're in this business, you can assume that your works may be discovered by other people.
Same with acting, you know, Cary Grant movies. I don't know why I picked him, but what if the new Marvel movie came out starring Jimmy Stewart? Well, I'm iron man. Screw you. Like he doesn't know that he's doing this and that's what sucks.
All right. They don't know that he's dead. I'm going to give you, I'm going to connect this for you. Maybe you've thought of this part. Maybe you haven't, but I'm pretty sure you're going to resonate with it. And then you're going to say it on national radio. We lost the infinity stones. I think I'm going to say something.
I can't top that. So I'll just go with, with the following thought. I think this take of yours, which I agree with, it'll be nostalgic to hear the voice. It'll be nostalgic to hear the voice.
It'll be nostalgic to hear round ball rock. It's whatever, but he doesn't have a say in it, which reminded me, as you were just saying this of your take of, what am I going to say? And the family of the deceased player saying, Oh sure. Malik neighbors.
I think it was last year, right? Where the family was at. No one knows who our great grandpa is.
We can free tickets now. Cause they totally don't care about us. So, I mean, someone presumably in what was the NBA on NBC was the Fagan, right? The F the estate, the family is going to make money from that. So of course they say, yes, because maybe they think like they get to further immortalize like their father, grandfather, whatever, whatever their relationship with him is. But like, I don't think you have that right.
To make that decision, unless he wrote in his will something like all my likeness, my NIL can be used by my family's discretion. Like, okay, fine. But guessing that's not what happened and therefore like it's kind of gross, right?
It's just like, don't, don't ask for the, the, the deceased players, great grandkids, the Jersey number and don't like, I don't know. It's gross, but we're going to get past it. And then the line will get moved. Yeah. And then, and then you will get to where, you know, like I said, you'll, you'll be like, you'll be like, all right, on this feed, you can watch the Dodgers broadcast, but on this feed, we have an AI recreation of what it would sound like if Vin Scully called the game.
You will be able to do that within the next, whatever I say many years, probably one third of that time. Yeah. Right.
And I don't, could you now probably. So the, the argument is, well, does that, does that, uh, like make his memory more cherished? Does it bring him to a new generation? Does it let people continue to discover him?
And I just go back to like, this guy has no idea that this is happening. He is dead. He is a dead person. Whose voice is now being used.
All you can say is against his will, because what say does he have? It just, it's just, I don't know. I like, I'm a late night show. So I bring this stuff up sometimes, but it's like, I think, I think it's going, I think it's going to shit. I think everything's going to shit. And I mean, like in, in this particular arena where what entertainment is 10 years from now, the options that we're going to have, you will be able to do that. You, you're going to be able to, you're going to be able to at one point, and now it won't be as good as the real thing at first. But if you want to say like, when's it going to be 20 years, 30 years, are you going to be able to tell an AI model, Hey, I love that MCU, but make it a little more interconnected and make sure the X-Men and Fantastic Four are in it from the jump. I think it'll be able to put up 15 movies for you to watch. Hey, take Seinfeld and make a new season as if it's present day. I think you'll be able to do that at some point.
And so the media is going to be able to be more fractured. Now, if these people are like, Oh, as long as I get paid, fine. But what if I did that with, I love Lucy. If I did that with the honeymooners, these people died.
They weren't even like, they weren't even like color TVs when they died. So I'm just very fearful. And I'll bring this up tonight on a sports radio show, but I'm very fearful of what, uh, like art is going to do and who it's going to be created by. Thank you. Thank you. I know you didn't all expect a more serious undertone, but you know, I got to pick my spots. So Giannis trades. Grant, I keep using your line about how, uh, this is the window. If you want to talk about this is the window. If you want to talk about your honest trades, this is now yeah. After this, we're done before this, but also if you're going to do it now, I would like an apology for wasting all our time.
And if you're going to do it now, don't just be like, Oh, anonymous report says Houston, LA, or New York. Give me something. Give me something. That's not, you know, you could just make up out of thin air. And we've had crap like that for years. Like Giannis was in New York last week with his wife walking around. Oh, you mean, you mean like, as she was giving birth in Milwaukee though, that picture was from a different time.
I remember seeing it when they were in New York, like three years ago. It's like people saying that Jordan love was at the, uh, Met gala when it was a picture from it, that was actually a good, uh, controlling job by the way, was that was taken. So out of context, he was reporting that people around the league. Right.
Wasn't back is, Oh my, I'd rather put an ice pick in my skull than listen to that. He's T socks as a podcast guest. He's not good. Um, but he's like, I think what he said was around league circles. He's hearing those teams, not that Giannis prefers those teams, but that's not how it gets disseminated. Right. It gets disseminated, you know, tomorrow morning, Giannis wants to play in LA.
I don't know how many times I need to say that I have boots on the ground at swimming. And he sits there with his kid on his chest, unbothered by the hundred of people in this building that know he's Giannis and he might get a hello and he might get a whatever, but he gets to walk around and be Giannis. I don't know. It's not a public park. So, I mean, you do have to like sign up for lessons here.
So maybe, maybe I'm overstating things, but I still think if you saw Giannis at a public park, wouldn't you just be like, Oh my God, Giannis is here. Oh my God. Say hi. Oh, I don't want to. And then you do what I did.
Congrats on the cup. Yeah. I don't know.
I think, I think like you've been here for 15 years and I, and it's not even about that. I think he wants to try to, I think he wants to try to, I think he wants to prove them wrong and try to win here. I think he's just competitive enough to do exactly that. I don't know that it will work.
It will not work in 2025, 2026 season. Like there's just no, so then he knows that. So then he can like just, you know, the team can carpet bag and he can put up 35, 10 and 10 a game and get the MVP and be in the play-in tournament.
I don't know. I think people are talking about Giannis. Like he's going to leave to leave as if like, well, he can't do Milwaukee anymore, anywhere else. He's got to go.
And I just don't think he's wired that way. And I think we've seen plenty of stars leave because they feel like they have to. And it's like, well, your next spot was worse. And then you left again in your next market, even worse, like we've been slowly watching Kevin Durant's career atrophy ever since he left golden state. He's chasing.
He can't find it. Yeah. So I look, if you honest asks for a trade, I think it's, it's reasonable. It's more likely now than ever before. And I think the circumstances might allow for it. I also think there's a great chance to be honest, like, okay, the two places I might end up or Houston and LA, I don't want to live there. And I don't like those players. Ah, fuck it. I'm just going to stay.
And I think he is more, he is more likely to do that than other stars. Does that make sense? It doesn't make sense.
I think the thing I was going to say too, is if you know, you guys have both said something to the, the extent of now is the window you can talk about now you can, but I think if you talked about it, like we need to come up with a number of minutes. If you are a national NBA media person, and you talked about the honest trades for more than fill in the blank number of podcasts slash television minutes slash radio minutes, you are disqualified from talking about it. Now you've lost your credibility. Like everything you say, if you were like doing the same story three years ago and six years ago and eight years ago, you're not allowed to know. You're not allowed to know. Like you've been disqualified. What you have to say is irrelevant.
And I don't think you should be allowed to do it. Now, Oklahoma city losing game one. I think they're going to win the series. I'm not what a stupid way to lose. Yeah. I don't think they're going to lose the series.
Houston has already lost. And I think that the way I want to take this, the honest conversation is sort of like the sequel to what we talked about last week when we were ahead of it to some degree or to a large degree. Here's so grant, you, you said this last week, you mockingly said, and I call it, I said this to you. I said, are you saying that mockingly?
And what you were saying was like, Oh, well like I'm in Thompson can't be in the dear old because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then that became more of a thing. I really like listening to Simmons and Rissello talk basketball. I do. I do it. Sometimes it's funny and in ironic ways that they don't, I'm trying to be funny, but like I get entertainment value out of it. And I learned things about things and it's good. I enjoy it. I really, really liked Zach Lowe and he was wonderful.
Like the best there's I don't think there's anybody I'd rather listen to basketball about. But when I hear these guys say that the honest to Houston, but I'm in Thompson is untouchable don't even ask about it. What I learned when I was on the Packers beat and that I'll always have with me, this will make sense.
I'm not mocking you. I love what you don't do this enough, but here's what I learned. I loved part of the interruption, loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it. I took it as gospel in my like late teens and early twenties. I wrote a thing in college called drinking PTI, where you took a shot after every time they changed the subject.
Oh wow. Does that, was that a thing? I mean, it was the thing one time you did it and then you're like, can't do that ever again. Cause you got a game.
That's just, it's just 16 shots in 30 minutes or in the afternoon, you're just completely trashed. But I did write an article in college or the newspaper called the best dollar on TV. And it was PTI and around the horn. I wrote that, took it all as gospel. And then what I realized is when you work on a beat for an individual team, then you watch the national guys who you love talk about your team. They're fucking so wrong. And it's not their fault.
You can't cover 30 teams, 32 teams across an entire league effectively. So you're kind of like picking here and you're picking there. So like some of my friends last night or two days or whatever it was, we're like texting like now Zach lowest thing that I'm in Thompson's untouchable.
And I like, I shared the story with them that I'm sharing with you now, which was like, as much as I love Zach Lowe, as much as I like Rossello and Simmons talking bucks, it's too disconnected. So it's like, well, who's right then? Are we too Homerish?
Are we too close to it? And if this is anything like my experiences on the Packers, when I would hear PTI talk about Packers, I'm like, that's not right. Like if it was any of the other NFL teams, I would have said, Whoa, interesting. But when it was about the Packers, I said, that's just so factually incorrect that now I think everything you're saying about the other teams is wrong.
So now what like do you have to stand on? Like, this is very like, okay, you've been so you're just talking about every team. Because it was wrong about the Packers, maybe I'm selectively choosing.
But like, that was my experience with it when I was, you know, on a team's beat. So I think the honest thing, we can talk about Amun Thompson, all the other stuff. But like, to me, it's frustrating to hear, really respected smart NBA people.
And what I would say is, if the bucks trade be honest to Houston, and Amun Thompson is not in the deal. It doesn't mean I was wrong. It means John Horst got fucking fleeced. So be honest is a rocket. And Amun Thompson is a rocket. It's not because Simmons and Rossillo and Zach Lowe are right.
It's because John Horst fucked up. End of discussion for me is I think if you're gonna trade a superstar, you have to look at it like, wow, that was a good like the bucks got the better end of the deal, which is impossible to do. You have to get like 150 cents on the dollar to trade a superstar in the NBA.
You just do. And you don't get on bridges went for all of it. 300 cents on the top. Yeah, Rudy Gobert for first. McHale bridges.
What is it? Five? Yeah. I had a good steal. He was good. I like him. He played he played really well in overtime.
He's big for them in overtime. Yeah, I just think, could there be a world, Paul, where they don't get Amun Thompson, but they get all the other things? Or they do you know what I'm saying? Like, no one can score on that team, right? I need a good if we're going to trade you on us. I think you can have all the picks and other things or not Thompson or Thompson and not all the and for a team without any picks bucks, any picks, maybe they would be a good pick. Maybe they would prefer the lesser of the players and more picks. You know what I mean?
If you have to tip the scale one way or another? No, it's possible. I agree with what you're saying. And it actually reminds me of when Gobert was traded to the wolves, the wolves who, you know, gave up so much for really that might have been the wolves could win the title because of that unbelievable overpay for Rudy freaking Gobert. That's very possible that that is a championship changing trade.
But nevertheless, the wolves paid like crazy. The one thing they wouldn't do was include Jayden McDaniels in that deal. That was like their No, I we want Rudy, here's all our stuff, but you're not having Jayden McDaniels. And though Jayden McDaniels is a you know, a very good player in more respect to that at the time, it was like he was like a second year player. Like he was very good and had upside but it wasn't like what you would have like torpedoed the deal over Jayden McDaniels at the time. Now you're like, wow, yeah, well, one of the Warriors torpedoed did not include Jonathan Kaminga.
See, but then you right then you overplay your hand. And then Kaminga becomes a guy you can't play in the playoffs. And who could who could be on the Warriors right now if they had sold on coming two years ago, they could have had serious star pieces.
Or if they had just drafted anybody good with either of their two picks, like if they had not taken Wiseman and they had taken Franz or somebody else like Yeah, right there a whole two timelines thing never really got off the ground by Paul but by the way, Paul, you're a comment about local versus national, you could make hundreds of thousands in radio consulting, all you have to do is meet with sports radio professionals and be like, in national, you need to know a little about a lot. And in local, you need to know a lot about a little and then everyone goes, Oh, that's fucking smart. Yeah, that's good point. Thank you for coming in. That's literally all you have to I love it. Why? Maybe you just gave me a business idea. There you go.
Seems very possible. So let me just let me ask you this. And then we can be done. We can talk about Janus trades. They cannot.
Or I feel like they can if they consult us. Sure. If you like, Eric, Eric's article names article. Yeah. We're four different guys propose trades to him. Yeah.
And on three of the trades, he was like, this is bad. Right? This is a bad you think you're how stupid are you? Right.
And then one might have been the last one like, okay, you're getting closer. Yeah. But it's like, if you're gonna consult someone who covers the team, or Yes. Don't just don't just be in your bubble where Jason Tatum is, should have been the MVP the last three years, which goes back to my PTI thing is like, for 50 bucks an hour, I would have consulted for PTI and help them not look like horses asses talking about the packers from 2011 to 2015.
Like, to your point, have a guy on the ground, who can at least like, you know, steer you to say like, No, that's way off. Right. But otherwise, like a lot of this other stuff is like, in the same sentence that you're saying Janus is going to be traded to one of these teams. You're putting guys on the other team in the Janus trade as untouchable. Don't ask. That's nuts. You don't have an untouchable list.
You just don't. It's a buildup of 10 years of trying to make this happen, where they've created their own sense of fatigue. Yeah, they think the buck should just Yeah, do us do us a favor and just give Janus away. Yes. Yes. We can be done with this thing. You've created for a decade. Good point.
That's an interesting point. Thank you. I'll also take that to the air tonight. Yes. And again, I think we texted about this. But like, it's like I said, if Horst gets all the other stuff, but didn't get on and Thompson, like, can you still get a good grade as the GM for the bucks? I don't know. I mean, I'd probably I think you have to leave with the other team's best asset. And I don't know.
And I'm in terms of like, yeah, well, Schengen's really good, too. Yes. But he makes a lot of money. You still have like two and a half, three years of controllable rookie scale on and Thompson. So like, that's part of the equation. But then, like, I don't know, just the whole thing to me is frustrating that you would have this conversation and then say like, well, but don't include the best asset from the other team that's acquiring the superstar player. What? I also just think that the compensation in a trade like a hypothetically honest trade, part of the compensation is means to the next Janus. You know what I mean?
Yeah, like very rarely we give you Janus and you give us like the Paul George, Shay, Gil, just Alexander thing is pretty rare. So unless the Bucks think I'm in Thompson can be the best player on a championship team, which I don't know, I haven't watched enough film. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't ready. You didn't say we were doing this. But like, like, more of the equation for me, I'd be Do you get the collection of picks and other players to build towards getting the next thing?
Because if it's a Janus or I'm in Thompson swap, you've lost already. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
I always ask that. I don't know why I gotta stop that. Then the last thing I'll say is like, you just shit on Jalen green. And then as a national media host, saying that in one game, he had 40. But then he had six and eight and four. But he should be a key piece in the honest trade. Yeah.
Did what? You can't have both. What are we doing? He should be a member of the Miami Heat. I really like that point from Simmons and Russell a like great reclamation project idea for the heat. I also am just out on players who go bounce around to high school then to the G League like no at some point in your basketball career, I want you to be a part of something that isn't just a mechanism for you to go touch yourself and get highlights recorded of you at AAU tournaments. You know what I mean?
Like can you contribute to a group of people that you connect with and and build a basketball thing and I just it's never been Jalen green but the Miami Heat thing would be interesting. That's the problem with the angle they're taking is they're looking at this trade trying to make the Rockets better. Yes, right.
Leaving the Bucks in their wake. Right. And if you're did it, that's it just sucks when you like see things so clearly and we're so right about this and yes, people that listen to us are going to be enjoying it and and we're going to be right there say good job way to go and it's just going to go nowhere.
Right? We're not going to change anyone's mind. We're not going to stop anything from happening. We're just going to be sitting here with our dicks up our thumbs.
Can I can I say something bold? You know which team is the best fit? I think hands down in the entire NBA. Like sticky on us on this team and it's the best fit in the entire world like can get no better. You just give him the outcome spot on the Pacers like that's the best fit.
Don't you think so? What? I can't show your level of serious. I'm 100% serious, but then that's the best fit in the league.
They would never do it. They won't trade him there. Well, first off, yeah, you can't paces and Bucks like no, it would be like sticking Kevin Durant in the Harrison Barnes spot. But similarly, then you'd have to say, OK, well, OK, so it's the outcome plus this plus that plus this plus that for Giannis and now the Pacers aren't the Pacers anymore.
Correct. I'm just saying if there is a perfect basketball situation where you place him there and it's championship level team right away, if the outcome was Giannis, the Pacers win the title this year or and I that's your angle. And yeah, I get that. I think they might beat the Celtics. I am overreacting to last night and I'm enjoying it. It's been three road games that were you know what I'm trying to say. Why are people stupid enough to go on TV the day after a game and be like, well, that won't happen again? Like, haven't we haven't we wised up past that? It's like that won't happen. That won't happen again in a seven game series like the fuck it might. We see it all the time. We're like, what's the like? That dog can't juggle or whatever.
It's the meme that people always use to trump. And then it happens. And all of a sudden the team's eliminated. And you're like, oh, it was like it was at the ESPN graphic that showed every single ESPN personality choosing the Lakers to beat the wolves.
Yeah. And like, it was a five game loss by the team that they picked. It wasn't even close. Yeah, I thought the Lakers were gonna win too. I don't know how we all missed on that.
I just maybe I think I wished it into existence. I kept saying I was right 16 again, or that Nico was right. Nico Emeala was right or whatever.
All right, boys, always a pleasure. Hey, I saw a mock draft for the NFL a way too early mock draft from Tom McShay that said Nussmeier from LSU is the current number one overall pick next year. You guys watch college football, right? Like is that that can't think I think there's a lot of projecting of what arch could be. No, so arch wasn't even this was in the McShay projection arch was not coming out. Oh, so but then, yeah, it could be I don't know. Really? Like he's got that level of I don't know.
I don't know. Cam Ward a year ago, probably not cap from Penn State's got to be up there pretty high too, right? Because like I watched Drew Eller playing in the bowl game and like he's like the sixth overall pick in next year's draft a year in advance.
I'm like, he looked like shit. I thought watching the bowl game that I watched or the playoff game that I watched. Yeah. All right. All right, gentlemen. This is fun. I have to pee. Nice to see you both. Yeah, this is good. Enjoy. Thanks for stopping into the Winkler verse.
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