Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Bob Winkler. Welcome to the Winklerverse.
Grant Bills, Paul Imig. I gave the show a rare shout out on my actual show. And I missed it? Well, I didn't mention you guys. Well, no, but you said it. Oh, I do. How did you shout it out if not for the... What is this show if it's just not the three of us just... I did another episode last week. Oh, you mean your podcast in general. Yeah, I didn't say we do this thing called... Well, that's what I was wondering. It's like, how do you even begin to talk about that without... No, I said, because Julian Edelman had a podcast with Puka Nakua.
And Nakua was like, yeah, I don't think Purdy gets 50. I'm like, you're saying this? This is kind of weird.
Interesting. And then I go, wait, what is this podcast called? And it's like games with names or names. And then I go, what's the one? Is this one with Gronk?
And there's another one he does with Gronk. And I go, it's very confusing when you have multiple shows. Like if I had the Bart Winkler show and then I was just running around going into the Winklerverse available wherever you get your podcast. I'm sure I got a huge fucking bump from that. Big bump.
So I mentioned the show. The podcast, we are doing this on April 2-2. It's Earth Day. Do you guys do anything fun for Earth Day? We still have an Earth Day.
I recycled my bubbly can. Very good. But the Bucks play game two tonight, so maybe you're catching this before the game.
Maybe after. I think my thoughts on the game would be if they lose. Well, it's first game back with Dame. We'll see what happens when they get back to Milwaukee. And if they win, oh yeah, this is great.
But it's still like, I don't know, somebody messaged me. Are we Bucks in six? I'm just like, I don't know.
I'm so wait and see. I have soccer practice tonight at five thirty. It runs until six thirty and the game's at six. And any other year I would be like, oh, maybe I should cancel practice. I'm so unbothered that I'm going to miss a quarter of this game.
I don't. I mean, I'm like into it. It's a weird thing because, you know, last year with the Brewers, I thought, well, I'm big national boy now. I'm not getting into the team as much as I thought. And last night was an example where I didn't watch the game because I was watching the NBA.
And then because it was on late enough, some NHL. Nice. And so then by the time the playoffs come, I go, am I not into this team? But I've watched. I mean, I'm into this team.
I'm just. I don't know that we I don't know what we learn in game two. Well, if they we don't do too much because of the number of hours before it, but if they win. Yeah, they win.
It's great. But if they lose, I don't. Yeah, I'm not going to be like the series is over if they lose. No, no, no. I'm just again and I'll repeat this. I said this last week, I'm I'm tired of doing the shit again.
Yeah. Like I'm this is the same as last two years with like Walter down to two. Well, now you put you get to go home and I just I want I want the Bucks to win a series already or just give me the sweet release of it being done. I don't want to run on the playoff series.
Hamster wheel waiting for a player to come back from injury, waiting for a player to go waiting for the series to ship back to Milwaukee. I just it's too reminiscent of the last few years. I was like I was just here I feel like any grant. So funny say that because a friend who listens to text me last week because Bart said something about it being any Bart woke up a year later and you're just back to where you were, and Bart you and I talked about years ago.
And sometimes when you like these shared thoughts where it's like, well, someone else actually thinks that same way about that same thing that I thought only I thought about it that way. And it was the idea of like the old video game where you can't save your progress and then you have to go like, like Mario three comes to mind for NES. Like you have to go back to the you're not trying and you don't care about points. It's so stupid like it's like I don't want to redo that whole I just can I just, I don't, this isn't fun I don't want and that's how regular seasons are felt and honestly, to a degree so it's like, oh my god it's the Pacers again. The Bucks are not at full strength.
Again, they're down on one. What was the only one game one last year I think but it's what was the point of all of this do we have to do what just to rewind back to it. So yeah, I think tonight is a win win, because if they win they win and if they lose, like, I mean, I'm not bothered. I like how game one was at a very kid friendly Saturday at noon and then game four is at Sunday at 830 at night. By the way, when they scheduled the time. The, the Minnesota wild are playing the Golden Knights I think that games at 10 o'clock Central Time in Vegas but still, but like if you're a wild fan 10 o'clock on a Tuesday. Go ahead. I'll just say that's wild.
Yeah, no, I had something else but I don't remember what it was grand just did a gym from. I got angry last night, because I was laying my head down to go to sleep. Shortly after 11 which normally I like to be in bed at like 1030 night of sports. You can expect me to stay up and what there was like a quarter and a half left.
I thought when I got into bed it's like well catch them. The final four minutes of Clippers versus nuggets. Third quarter wasn't over yet I'm like, Jesus Christ, these games can be three quarters let's be honest like we don't need the four they could be three quarters, or two halves, two halves even better, flip a coin, one half, whoever wins the coin toss is up 3229 to start the second quarter.
Totally love it hundred love it. There's no longer period of time than the final four minutes of the third quarter of an NBA game, I used to, I used to be appear actually if the team still has other time coupons left. I used to be a purist and I actually had arguments on this topic, in defense of how great four quarters NBA basketball are and important with one Chuck Freeman.
And he's like, trust me, play a one day. You're only going to watch the fourth quarter. And I said, no. And now that day has arrived. Yeah.
Fourth quarter and even like in the playoffs like every once in a while you'll have an OKC Memphis game one situation. I see what you're doing, buddy. Well, that's fine. I'm just adjusting my. I'm adjusting I'm not like, so I'm touching the box champ, I'm not like preying on it like it's the wall.
I'm just, I'm just moving along. So not a topic, but how much of the non bucks games have you guys watched? I mean, again, I don't watch all four quarters anymore. I didn't watch heat calves because of wrestled stupid. I've enjoyed the other games more than it's only been one bucks game so far.
I've enjoyed the others more. So I'm like rooting for the Clippers. I think they can win it all. I am too, because I want to see the Nuggets lose all that too. But I like when Westbrook goes ham.
Yeah, yeah, he can both destroy your team and then help your team immensely in the same one minute of basketball. Live or die by Westbrook Pistons Knicks is the series that was everyone wants Bucks Pacers to be the league can we admit the league got it right by making Bucks Pacers that the NBA TV series. It was like all stuffed on TV. It's like no, I would have put him there too. Yeah, that's the last year of that next year there will not be that really.
Yeah, the games are either going to be on like peacock or Amazon Prime. Okay. Speaking of which, I did enjoy watching weird thing to say, but Shaq shooting his cookies are done. I know sorry Shaq shooting his pants I didn't see that clip yet. Oh, it's, it's, he literally gets up clearly having just pooped himself walks in front of the camera, crossing the room, like, turtle walk.
And then they spend two minutes, talking about how he's, what is he was taking some kind of, he's drinking something different to try to like cleanse his system and he's like, yep. I put my pants coming out in the golf outing once. The SSP golf outing.
This is in Mequon, I had been. I had like every combination of Roberts specialty makes sure that's a, that's a poop waiting to happen. And then I was in the themesville when I pooped. It's a pair of green shorts that I throw away. I'll never be an age where like, that's not funny.
I'm sorry, like, where a diaper guy poop his pants it's funny man. All right, one other bucks thing I want to say is that the fans have one very upset about that I'll tell you that in 30 seconds because I do want to remind you about my friends at happy place him, that's right happy place hemp calm is where you can go the website promo code is Bart gummies and tinctures and seltzers I kid you not I talked to a buddy at some place the other day he goes, Yeah, I basically wake up and just ride my baseline all day, and he's a functioning adult. So kudos to that guy. Is it me. I'm not saying either way, but kudos to that handsome person, whoever it is promo code is Bart 25% off the gummies the tinctures the delta eight delta nines. So kudos to that. You can still get the ones that help you go to sleep.
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I will read it to you now. I'm heartbroken by it. With the bucks wearing their green uniforms for game three on Friday. We are asking fans coming to the game to wear green with the bucks wearing their black uniforms for game four on Friday. We are asking fans to come to the game to wear black.
We would appreciate if you could help spread the word about this. So they're not even giving you the shirt there they you beat them you beat them down. They're not even giving the shirt out anymore.
Wow. Because people won't wear them so now that we have to spread the word to tell you to wear green on Friday and black on Sunday. I feel like they're not giving them out because they're cheap. You think it's because they're not putting them on the bucks have to be the worst in the league, the fans and putting them on. This is the Wisconsin thing. It really is.
And you'd have to be from here to know that you can't just fly in and talk about how great the draft is for Green Bay. You have to actually know that it is a Wisconsin thing but and again, the Wisconsin like they would rather people would rather wear. There's something about these work polos man I'm telling you there's some of these work polos. This is like a Bart Winkler greatest hits keep going.
I'm loving this as you go. I'm wearing a Pac 12 network polo. You know, it's kind of ironic, I guess.
But you can see that on the Dan Cheney YouTube stream shout out whoever just switched to Dan Cheney last week. Shout out. But people are so proud. I don't understand it. I have an Odyssey backpack. That is so nice. I'm like embarrassed to take it anywhere. Not because of the company but because it's like my company, I don't ever want to be wearing something of where I work. Even when I had the 105 seven, I can't go out in public with that I'll go to events with it. I'm not wearing it the fucking church like some of you noobs.
What is it with the work polo? Speaking of church dressing up for Easter mass is a thing of the gosh darn past because I was there on Sunday and I guess denim flies now. Oh, I do have sweet Odyssey socks that are bright orange that actually do wear out with pride.
So that's that's different. I hope I'm a team player under your pants. Are you popping those things of shorts?
No, no, no, no, no. So you went to Easter mass and everyone was dendomed up. It's just it's just not what it used to be man with the work polo. With whatever. People weren't you see you see mass. Have you seen my liquor distributors polo that I wear.
A really good example off the top of your head. Well done. No, no, not the red one. The nice one. The black one I wear to church and other festivities. I wore it to Tonya's graduation. This is the, the Wisconsin Midwestern version of where is my super suit, except it's in a split level and fucking Clintonville, and not wherever Frozone was living.
I forgot about the khakis I got passed down from my dad. Look at the bucks games. I get it. If women. They like to dress up. And I forget about this.
Well, because because because because if you're a woman things he does, because of the good job. If you're a woman, and you want to dress up. And you want to look nice, and you want people to see you in the city of Milwaukee. The only place to go as a bucks game you can't you're not going to the club.
You're not going to real chilly. You gotta go to the bucks game. Were those your bucks game. I go to St. Kate's real chance where when I feel like we want to go like we might see Greg Marcus or some shit like that's the place that I you know, that's where we like to mark out. If I saw Marcus at out and about.
I'm, I'm fanboying. We did last time we saw him there. Um, like celebrity royalty. It was the only time we saw him there I we should ask for a picture of something. Um, but but but but but but but but when women go to bucks games. I maybe this is too much to ask. I would like for you to think, Okay, what kind of outfit can I put together that's going to accommodate the shirt. I'll give you a great example, as in the cross two weekends ago for the senior pub crawl, where they all have the same shirts, and the ladies, they find all sorts of ridiculous ways to set themselves apart they cut a shoulder off or I don't think any of it looks good but they you know they doctor those things up. Why can't we take a similar approach with T shirts and NBA games you know what I mean let's put together an outfit that has the shirt in mind. You can't be surprised when you go to play but what's the what's on my, what's the for me, this thing like people don't they don't know they could never fathom that there would be a T shirt at a playoff game, a towel What am I supposed to wash my dishes with this. Yes, people probably yeah, I'm gonna put this in your purse. Over there, over there, grab that one put that one in your purse too. We have a whole stack of like old brewers or bucks towels from games that are that we use.
I mean towels aren't that expensive but I guess, get in where you can. Have you seen my Peters construction shirt. My XL energy polo. Have you seen my race Scott builders shirt.
It is accurate, the Lord of Vincent's wedding. I don't get it. But I do feel like the bucks going away from the T shirts is more of a we don't want to spend the money thing that well people aren't gonna wear them anyway but then we're not gonna give them out like I don't think that's a meeting that they had but I could where's my nicest NFC central champions. You make every you make your rural Wisconsin character is just a Jeff Foxworthy voice like he's not from here it's not it's not what I'm not I'm I'm I'm from Appleton this is from Appleton Yeah, nevermind. Okay, I'm not rural. I live right off College Avenue.
That's where I live. One of the greatest hits part of this was 1250, on the air, talking about putting the shirts on and I remember the bit I was a bit but like the concept at the time was, they'd have DJ Shawna or whoever it was at the time. She's still there right like begging people and like shaming people on the big board right they would put you on the board like put on your shirt. I remember the thunder been doing, but I remember the talking point at the time which I still agree with today and I think this was trying to remember where the, where the dividing lines were in terms of this debate in this battle, but it was the idea that, hey, if the owners in the front row put on the damn shirt.
I'll put on the shirt lead by example or shut the fuck up, I'm not putting on your shirt if they won't put on the shirt. I think that's where the battle lines were drawn and I'm trying to remember who fell where in the end and then the one time that the whole stadium put on a shirt was the worst shirt ever. 24 and one. Oh, yeah. And they beat the warrior streak. My warriors, my one and all warriors.
That was a fun game. I've always loved playoff Jimmy Butler, always, of course, he's learned he learned he learned from spoke, they wouldn't trade cominga now they don't play him. That is so they just gonna let him walk. I know he's restricted free agent but like could have got like Luca for him.
Well, you don't even need you don't need to give up that much for Luca. All right, Bart, here's my analogy actually that goes nicely. So every time Nico Harrison talks he makes things worse. Every time the rock talks, he makes things work worse.
Excuse me. Oh, yeah, who makes things who makes things worse for themselves by talking Nico Harrison or Dwayne Johnson, because they are both leading the league right now in like, hey, if you just be quiet. It would be better than saying the stuff you're saying. The rock was on McAfee today, basically, admitting that he only came back to sell tickets at Elimination Chamber 100%. It's all that WWE cares about. They don't sit down Triple H doesn't sit down and, and say, you know, it was a great event we say record record gate record, merch record. And here's what I realized because they're doing this WWE unreal show. Yeah.
Where it's showing you the process. Like it might be cool but also it is still wrestling. We understand wrestling is not real, but we also don't want John Cena to still be doing make a wishes if he's gonna say I hate all people that aren't me, you can't do the fanatics meet and greet line for two hours smiling for people with your title as the heel, you just can't do it. I'm sorry you just can't certainly and even if that's allowed. You can't be the rock and say, Well, we decided to turn john Cena here. Yeah, it is just too much.
Yes. And the the uncut thing I saw I realized like, I realized what it is because Triple H, he was also on ESPN, and he had some line about how I write my script. WrestleMania is done. And then I get about 18 seconds. And then 18 seconds later I get a script put down on my desk, and that was my off season. You know we're on to the next thing.
And it's like and he loved that line, because then he recreated that as a sketch later, and it was the acting was so bad. But here's what I realized is when you're a wrestler. You're given the championship as a reward of your hard work. Like, you can show that I am the best. I am the champion. That's the idea.
Triple H, I feel like is not in the rock to, they're not getting enough of that recognition. So now they're like, we're going to show you all the hard work we do. So you know just how good like I this is very ego driven and egocentric. Okay, so I remember in the 90s, where they would do these shows on primetime leave if you want I guess. No, but they would do the shows of like, revealing the magic of a magician right, but you could only show so much relate the magicians who helped put these shows together. It's like it's kind of Joe blue thing grant to wherever like you're gonna get blackball from the magicians Alliance, but you everyone knows that like the magicians not levitating and the mid, you know that they're not cutting the woman in half and like all these things, but you can't. Well sorry spoil it. I did look you gave me told me I might spoil something, but like you literally aren't as a magician allowed to be.
Here's how I did that. We know what you're doing and we know there's sleight of hand and we know you've made us look over here because there's a thing happening over here, but to go into in depth detail on your own. And like volunteer raise your hand and say, let me tell you how I did the trick. I don't understand that mind that information is out there. Like I if like if you're somebody who wants to learn more about the business and see the behind the scenes of wrestling, and they have this documentary for you. That's one thing.
I don't like how they advertise it in the middle of Monday Night Raw. Yeah, where you're also like, there's some sort of. It'd be like if you know you're watching the Avengers.
And then all of a sudden, there was a thing on the bottom that was like to see how this scene was made in front of a green screen, you know, make sure you check out this documentary like if you want to look that up later. And to think of like, okay, he's a character but in real life he's something wrestling blurs the line a little bit. I don't mind if you know these actors talk about this process of what it was but when they, when they do a Marvel movie and then they get done and they like shit on how you did the movie, I don't know, in the, you gotta. It's fine if that information is out there, I don't, I don't need it to be. It seems what it seems like Paul is that they want you to know, like kayfabe fine and you know hearing stories Undertaker talking about that.
It's all it's all great. But on the actual product. They are trying to like with flashing lights say, not only is this not real. Please come and watch, learn how we want you to watch which is how great of a job we made this show, right. I just the example I just thought of because we've talked about the rock didn't show up at WrestleMania Paul, he showed up on Pat McAfee show on Tuesday to talk about how the storyline work that is that is that is offensive to every single time the rock has ever been in that worrying.
Yeah. Now the analogy I came up with because we've talked about severance on this part is just as any mark is deciding what to do and the final closing minutes. They quick do a cutaway and at the bottom it says it's like Adam Scott. Okay, so wait, I'm supposed to be Adam Scott, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, how close you want me to walk to the door and then do you want me to like pause for three seconds or two seconds you know my I know my characters talking about this but it's like, that's a separate thing. We can probably find a behind the scenes but don't tell me in the midst of Mark making this decision. Hey, stick around after to find out what Adam Scott who's just an actor playing this guy thinks about it like you have to detach a little bit more from that. So, then, Netflix, they're on Netflix which is ruin the product.
And then they have this big angle on Monday. Did you do you care to see. I'm aware. Okay, so Bron breaker comes and teams up with set. Fine.
This is, this is all working this is all fine. And Netflix, they don't, you can just sign off whenever. So they signed off. And then there's like this angle that continued we're seeing punk and rains are like looking at each other and giving like a.
Hey, we're both kind of screwed here, kind of like look like maybe we should. And it's all nonverbal. But why is that not on the show. Yeah. Social media content.
But it's not even put up by WWE it's like fans accidentally seeing it. Yeah. And then also you got people getting run over with golf carts all weekend. Did that mania was a fucking disaster. The escalator incident.
No. Did you guys see that the fat guy trying to go because oh yeah, I did see the escalators that go up and then the crosswalks that go over, whatever that mean for the top, but the lines for the up escalators were so long that guys are going up the down escalators were trying, but they were fat wrestling fans and cargo shorts and t shirts and they were not making it, you didn't see this part. I saw it I didn't. Also, the ride share line, these people realize they can walk to like four casinos from a legion and get a cab from there. Like there were thousands of people. It was like the shuttle lot after a brewer game, except there's not four casinos within walking distance of a burger game I just, I don't know, very bizarre, they ruined the monitor lot by the way. They made the monitor lot where you pick up Uber and Lyft. Oh, yes, they did have those like years ago right now this is new this year across the highway. That was when I did the tailgate in the whatever lot I had one guy say I'm not a real fan, because we didn't do it in the monitor lot. Mm hmm. Well the model of their life has been ruined.
Anyway, what else Vegas did look like the place to be this last weekend a lot of people hitting WrestleMania and the sphere and all the things, it looked pretty happening. Anywho, but I just I just found the analogy of Nico and the rock both just, you know, Nico didn't sound like such a little bitch when he talked like I don't, he sounds like he can't sound like that. He cannot sound the way that he sounds like what he is saying. It's not great, the way that he's saying it I think is more of a problem, it doesn't help when you're when you sound that way and you're like, trying to be like, well I think I've done a pretty good job. I think that the trade before kind of proved that I like, okay, how did he get to be a GM in the first place because he worked with Nike serious that's what they thought oh this guy has relationships. Like, yeah, there's only 30 of these jobs and we're just giving them away.
I always remember the, I mean it's like, how brilliant air quotes I guess with brilliant must he have been it's like that he rose all the way up to being the Nike executive that he was which lands on the math job. I mean, I don't know what his business dealings were with Nike but, and he, he made some good trades the year prior with the maps, but to admit some of the things that he admitted, and I do like the idea that the one report of that Patrick Dumont made was that he had to go Harrison, do the interview because he's, I think, if that's true, and you're the demand family you're probably like, let's let this dumb fuck bury himself, because we know he's going to, he's going to open his mouth more, this time in front of cameras with microphones, which by the way, whichever PR person from the math signed off to like, hey, we'll do our first media interview, but no cameras, no audio, like and I know like selfishly for you guys doing radio shows it's like, man, that's a bummer. But you don't do like that's that's malpractice.
Then you just don't do media, you can't, you can't say, hey, we're gonna have a media event, no cameras or video or audio or nothing like that's so messed up like, I don't know it's just it's malpractice is actually what it is. And I'm sure another member of the Winkler family would agree with me on that, who was just your mom, your mom, definitely your mom. Any other thoughts on the NBA playoffs, not the person who got me both of these items of clothing you see, Oh, what's your favorite, I don't have an for it but before we move on from NBA. Again, that's why I asked you earlier about if you've how much you've been watching had you have a favorite series or like a favorite team you're rooting for that's of course because I sometimes it takes me a game, or even to to be like, this is my favorite last year the Knicks became my thing, and now I'm very much rooting against the Knicks, because the Pistons game too is very fun.
Jalen Brunson is driving me crazy with his every single offensive defensive position flopping. So do you have a team or a series right now that you're most well the clippers, and I think I think what if they still had Paul George, because Norm Powell's given them like Paul George's numbers. Yeah, without all the attitude and drama and ego, but they're like so under the radar.
Yeah, and the Clippers were a team that when you know George and Kawhi teamed up I thought for sure they'd get one. Oh yeah. So I'm kind of like into that plus I do want the nuggets to lose. I do. I don't know.
Who else would I be into. Well, so like I really enjoyed the Timberwolves mopping the Lakers. I didn't get to see a lot of that one. I want to keep the Lakers, and the Warriors, and all of the big brands I wanted to feel like 2016 again, so that is what I'm, that's what I'm going for. So although the, the wolves are fun, it sucks that the wolves and Lakers are playing first round.
Yeah, it does. I really enjoyed the Timberwolves Lakers game heavily rooting for the Timberwolves. I really enjoyed the Rockets Warriors game, I kind of found myself rooting for the Rockets, but like I'm not like, oh no, I know, sorry, but it's like oh no the Warriors one because Steph puts on a show like that some of those shots, what I mean what is happening, but those are great series, but the one that Bart this is a this is a Bart take. I was looking forward to the Cavs heat series. And then I saw what it visually looked like on the court.
And I said, Oh, I don't want to watch this, it just was like the indie the indie buck series it's like, I think my wife was like why is part of that court gray. Hey, you guys think we should wear our paintball uniforms for game one that'd be, that'd be freaking sweet right, who did who did the losers. The, the heat Cavs visual is the same way that I don't even know that I watched the full game of the Nuggets heat finals a couple years ago like not actually grant that's been a thing you've said to where it's like, you just didn't, you didn't like the way it looked. I turned on like, no, this isn't this isn't the NBA Finals that I grew up loving trashes heat Nuggets. Oh, that's why like Spurs pistons is like this is garbage. Back in those six and shit was actually like really good basketball but yeah it wasn't it didn't have like the sex appeal of like Kobe and Shaq. I turned on the big three in Miami versus Russell Westbrook James Harden, and Kevin Durant, and then against Manu and pow, or not pow but Duncan are those guys and, like, give me that give me arenas that are actually fired up again, give me a broadcast that doesn't blow like I just want everything back the way that it was like 15 years ago is that that much to ask.
That means that means you've arrived at old age. But like the calves and heat, they both were like their maroon and then the court was maroon and it was, it just didn't look sharp and I didn't like it. But no pistons. The piston series I think is going to be by far the best East series. Well I people already pissed like like remember McHale bridges got traded for five first round pick.
Yeah, for unprotected. Mm hmm. That was a bad trade. They've built. They've built a really good team on paper but they gave up everything else that they had remaining for bridges, who's very good, and towns, who's very good, but then tips. A runs these guys into the crowd and then didn't I think currently towns took zero shots in the second half of game two.
I mean, what, why did you give up all of your remaining stuff for a guy who's really good offensively. You don't do anything for it. All right, we can move on.
There's a lot of ways we can tackle the draft. Okay, sorry. I tried.
I was looking for that in your wild comment before I just really, but this one I felt this one coming and I'm like, I'm gonna really sell into how lame it is. I don't even know how to ask us in it. But I think we've kind of thrown that concept out the window.
Yeah, we kind of just talking out only. What do you want as a Packers fan on Thursday night. Actually, you know what, what do you want to happen this weekend, Thursday through Saturday. What do you, you get we're all going to get excited for certain players running like Packers fans we do the thing right we have our guy or two three that were really identified but as a fan what do you want to leave the weekend with or Thursday night or both. I want to come away and thinking, our team is better in 2025 because of this draft, not hey things might break well for 2026 because of this draft, which is not the Packers way what you described as antithetical to the Packers way. You know, like, this is a big. This is a big year for the Green Bay Packers.
We no longer are afforded time. Matt Leflore has to do something. Yeah, he has to start to win. Not saying he'll get fired.
No. But there's a lot of good coaches, Sean McDermott john Harbaugh Mike Tomlin. Who haven't been to a Super Bowl, or at least in a while that you know their fan bases are getting restless with. You've got to show improvement. You've got to show that you're close and Jordan loves got to be a big part of that and I think he'll have a better year but I don't know I. I've never fully been all the way in on Matt Leflore. And I think that this is his chance to show that he deserves to, like, ride this thing out with Jordan love.
Otherwise, maybe maybe we got a. There's a coach out there that can win a Super Bowl with Jordan love. Who is it, I don't know, is it matter floor.
I don't know. Yeah, but I think Matt needs to show us that it can be him. So it's like the floor is biggest accomplishment or like most noteworthy coaching moment was what he did with Malik Willis as the quarterback. Like if you were to like say, what have been the three most impressive Matt Leflore coaching moments in his years as with the Packers and like, maybe it's recency bias but I feel like my, like, to immediately come to mind. One is that he made Malik Willis look really good.
Because, I mean, and maybe we'll move Malik Willis is good, but he made them look like everyday good quality NFL starter, which he had just been traded for a conditional seventh Malik Willis had so clearly he wasn't. That's a great accomplishment, he should hang his head on that. He navigated. The Rogers stuff, which is a grants give me a look, let's just have to quantify with very very very very hard I mean he didn't melt down and quit and throw a temper tantrum in a press conference but like what when you say he navigated like he made it through unscathed, the other end of he got he got from having Rogers to having love, and he didn't like make himself worse in the process his reputation wasn't tarnished like Rogers never took McAfee appearance shots like Aaron Glenn got, for example, like, he got to, he got to leave the Aaron Rogers experience, the Florida, like unscathed to me that's a successful navigation, knowing the bridges that can be burned. If you, you know, do quite a bit I think from having Aaron Rogers is his quarterback to, I'm not trying to argue I'm just I'm adding, adding.
Here's my pushback on that. And, you know, bar this has been your comment about Rogers to the Steelers and the later he goes the more he can just run the Rogers offense that to navigate the Rogers situation like I'm giving the floor credit floor. For is to say that the floor did not really get to run his stuff for like really truly for much of those years.
He had to kind of patiently be like, fine, check out of my shit, like, run your own thing, forget everything I would want to do. To me that's a successful navigate that that's kind of what I'm giving them credit for their grant what do you want to, what do you want to see come out of this. Not a project in the first round I'm guessing given your previous comments. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Players who are good right away can also remain good and get better, like that's that's what drives me nuts.
I brought this up a lot. Have I have I used this take on you guys before like you have it's a good one. No, I'm not just laughing because it's like a simple dog take but, but, but like I mean I was always trying to like. I don't know, like, and also, and also, if, if you're drafting someone who's really raw who's not going to help you right away. Then the payoff needs to be better than. Yeah, whatever they've gotten from some of these like the ceiling if we're going to take a project, who's not going to help us for three years his ceiling can't be Nick Perry, you know, like there has to be something, otherwise just draft Nick Perry right away, like what's the difference then like, oh and then and then he finally gets to Nick Perry and then we get to pay him like great you know what I mean like. So, I don't know, I think they're past rush they need to add a guy, I kind of like the idea of Derek Harmon, if he's there the Oregon defensive lineman, not to just give you a player. Yeah, but I don't know that there's going to be a wide receiver after tech McMillan goes and it seems like he's going to go top 10, despite I know a lot of people like wish casting him to fall a little bit farther. I don't know that there's a wide receiver in the first round who's worth a pick at 23 packers might disagree, I find it hard to believe the Packers disagree given their aversion to wide receivers in the first round but I think defensive front. I did, I wrote down some of the names that Andy Herman did have like the most likely packer picks right and I think like I remember last year for example most like he, there were several in there where it's like you can really find the, the attributes and the traits whether it's the relative athletic score or the, you know, all the things that would go into what a Packer player is at least under Brian good against and I would do similar exercises back in the day with covering the team when Ted was the GM and the top four that are most intriguing and grant you hit on one of them which is Derek Harmon. It's cornerback will Johnson edge, Mikel Williams, and I'll tell you why I think that was interesting, and then Shamar Stewart, the defensive end. Now, the big board would tell you that will Johnson's number 12 overall Williams is 15 and Shamar Stewart 16 because any of them falling to 23 is would be a fall, whereas Derek Harmon to your point grand is number 24 overall and like the consensus big board so that would make a lot of sense but it's like the Mikel Williams one. He's 20 years old. And I'm like, all right, he's a Packer, you know, like he's got all this upside. And, yeah, we'll, we'll, you know, we'll, it'll just kind of replace every few years for Sean Gary Lucas finesse Michael Williams, you know, this young projectable athlete and. Yeah.
I don't know. What I want them to do is I want it to be more than, like, did you leave last year's draft feeling. And I try to put yourself back in that thing where they just, which they got some great play even peg after Morgan.
Well they I mean they had they had some cupboard at Bullard in the second round. I don't want to pick and like what was the fourth round but I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want to have to like. I would like to react to the Packers draft, as if it was.
What's a good one. If it was not that good if it was like, more, more Loki. Instead of like, echo, I wouldn't have sat, I wouldn't have waited that out if I knew it was gonna be Marvel going more more endgame instead of like brave new world like, I wanted, I wanted to like it because I actually liked it. I don't want to justify my liking of it because I like the overall overarching thing. I got like brave new world, because it advances some of the things in Marvel, but was it separately, a movie I would watch again.
I don't know. Yeah, then I've also never, I never watched Deadpool again in full so and that was supposed to be so fucking great. I have, I can follow that up by like Jordan Morgan that pic last year. Nobody expected that nobody thought that that was gonna be the pic and then the pic happens so we grab our, our draft guide and we start reading about Jordan Morgan and then we all go, Oh, why didn't we see it coming all along, like, I don't want to do that. Yeah, I want this one to be like, okay, I gotta be a better one. I want it to be like, wow, that Miss Casey episode was fucking great and not. Well, the COBOL episode makes sense because totally that's a you got to use this. Yeah, you just you just found you just found it.
Severance was the key not Marvel I'm sorry. I like that one better. I don't know I saw a draft earlier today that had the Packers taking a corner, I believe will Johnson, who's only available this late I've come to understand because he blew out his knee last year is that correct ball. You can make the jersey. And then the pick net the very next pick was Ted McMillan going to the Vikings, and then the pick after that are two picks later was a Mecca Buka going to the Rams I'm like that would be my fucking life is like that's what's going to happen. That's exactly what's going to happen.
Yeah. Like a book a book of falls and McMillan falls and it's like, let's take the projectable corner. I'll shoot myself in the job McMillan falls to the Packers and they don't take it. I want them to take a guy who's there.
What do you mean, they can bring up on stage. Oh, I see. Yeah, that would be a big miss actually I know that's like doesn't change the football record, show me you're already committed to Green Bay, show me I told you to start Monday, and you were in the parking lot on Saturday night. All right, like my friend, Ryan Horvat want a job so bad at SSP used to sleep in that parking lot.
His car, the lower, which I don't know if I believe that. I think he's lying. I'm sleeping in the studio on Thursday night. First time I will ever do that in this building at least. I'm looking for Have you ever passed out in the studio.
No, I have not. I did that after the Bucks game. I remember that Toby gave me a ride I bought him Taco Bell.
Next morning. I didn't pass out in the studio I passed. Yeah, you were on the couch. Oh, I think I wasn't. Yeah. Yes, yes it was.
Yeah, you're right. They've moved that couch now. Hopefully they burned it that in the chair the couch, the chair that you use for your photo shoot hopefully those are burned. All the naked one no that's still there. Is it really. What's that like in like midnight in the empty studio.
That's got to be a little bit unnerving now. Me. Yes, me. No, Bart it you work at midnight.
Well be there this midnight. Um, I don't particularly love it. Yeah, there's a cutout of bango now that's in the studio across from me and if I glanced the wrong way I'm like, I went in there and I moved it but then they moved it back. There's a cutout of bango in here too they could have saved a little bit money on the cardboard cutouts sent to random radio stations that are going to spend most of the time talking about the draft anyways could have made some t shirts, just an idea. Yeah, what can we do for radio stations, let's give them something visual. That's a good podcasting and streaming. I don't know what I'm gonna do Thursday I might set up a. Like, I might stream myself doing the show but you should you'd only hear me.
I can't audio it up and put everybody on. But you'd see some behind the scenes. Also, I'm not going to be in the. I thought I was going to be like, you know, right next to rich Eisen. That's gonna be like stuck in the rush. I'm in the rush center. Right next to have Gottlieb. Oh, that would be great. You see Gottlieb calling out Stephen a Smith earlier today on Twitter, because Stephen a Smith like four years ago said that James Harden couldn't win the playoffs and the Clippers won a game last night to Gottlieb like I'm gonna fucking get them. No, I do not game for winning one around one playoff game.
I don't remember. I'll send you the tweet. It just it just made me laugh.
It's like this is I think Gottlieb can be on Twitter just fine. It's like I would probably use it a little differently though. Whatever. All right, whatever.
I got I got to go. I do as well. Well, boys, always a pleasure. Enjoy the draft. I'm very much looking forward to it.
Well, I'll very much enjoy it. Yes. Next week, we can give our draft grades.
Yes. But I mean, it's pretty. It's pretty nuts to grade a draft. I mean, don't we have to see it play out first?
I mean, at least how can we judge any of this? You got to do it four years from now in which we never go back and actually do that. Thank you. That's something I feel very strong. You're still talking about the TJ what you told me to let it play out the shit is played out. I would like my I would like my analysis now. We will grade the draft the thing that we spent the last two months hyping up and learning about. I'd like to think all of that knowledge and time did not completely go for nothing. So I think you'll like this grant in particular because of who you work with in the middle of the day. But I don't know, I think I co I think I worked with Bill on three or four night one draft shows. I also did one day to draft show with Bart Winkler radio Joe's and Zola, but I probably did for day one draft shows with Bill and like two of the times I strongly picked how we need to like when there's a little bit of a lull. I want to spend a significant amount of time on forget talking about this draft. I want to talk about the last two or three drafts and saying, remember what we said on that night.
And now, how is it gone, what has been the progress what has not been the progress. I always said we get too wrapped up in like how these pics are going to help the 2025 team from the 2025 draft, more than likely than not, not just because it's the Packers draft that way, unfortunately. But that's just the common thing.
It's way more instructive to look at the 2023 draft about how that's going to help 2025. And yet to your point, we just, it's like, well, no, like, let's, what's the big sexy new thing? I don't like it. All right.
Talk to you guys soon. People are going ham on the rock, by the way, I'm good. He deserves it. Yeah, he fucking sucks. Fire Dwayne's like the fire Nico, except he's in charge.
Well, Nico's in charge. Yeah. All right, gents. Thank you. And thanks to everybody for stopping into the Winklerverse.
