Court storming and ACC basketball wins/losses from the weekend

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Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. Grainger, for the ones who get it done. Virginia basketball, chef's kiss. Fred Friedlander, ACC columnist, saturdayroad.com joins us on the Adam Gold show. We'll get to the Tar Heels at some point. I'm proud of them for putting up with 40 minutes of whatever Virginia does. Alright, let's get to what happened in Winston-Salem. Do we start with the game? I mean, do we go that far and go, wait, basketball was played. I know both teams played well. Wake played great. Got a win they absolutely had to have. Can we start there before we get to the other stuff?

Please? Because I think the craziness afterwards really took away from a very significant result. I mean, it was the ultimate, you know, shut up to Joe Leonardi. And I applaud Steve Forbes afterwards for not gloating about it.

But it's he sort of did play the clip. I love it. Yeah, but the Hunter Salas had one of those games where good luck trying to guard me today, right? Yeah. And then the thing about it is what I thought was a great coaching move is that after he went for what 20 points in the first half, they went right to Andrew Carr in the second half because Duke was going to try to stop Hunter Salas. And they said, OK, we'll just take advantage of your weakness inside. And Andrew Carr just did some work. So I think it showed the depth and the diversity that Wake has. And again, you know, metrics aside, I think Saturday's game to those who are watching Wake for the first time was an indication that the eye test says that this team belongs in the field of 68.

Like the truth is, is that were it were the basketball committee, the football committee. Right. And it wouldn't have even been a conversation like we've seen Wake play. We know what they're capable of. Therefore, they would have been in the field because somebody would have asked the question in the committee room, who did who wouldn't you want to play against?

Right. Who wouldn't you want to coach against? Which is the dumbest thing in the world to do when you're only choosing between four teams and football. But somehow that was able to fly because too many in the college football media think that's a good idea. And Adam, there's another correlation between the football committee and Wake Forest in that they made such a big deal that Florida State was not the same team at the time of the selection as they were earlier in the season. Well, let's use that in reverse, because if you take the first seven games of the year in which Wake was four and three before Efton Reed got his waiver to be able to play, they're a totally different team now.

And I believe they're 14 and 6 since he took over. And so, you know, if you're going to use that logic, then you have to use it for Wake too, right? No, no, we can't do that. We can only do that to protect SEC football, Brett.

You have not read the rules. And Mountain West basketball. Yes. If we have time, we'll get back to the game. I thought Wake was great. I thought they would win.

Sometimes need is a little stronger than want. I thought they needed it. I actually think the biggest play in the game was the Andrew Carr three-pointer that he hit from the corner, his only one of the game. But I thought from that point on, I didn't think Duke knew what to do defensively.

Because, wait, now we got to go out there? Yeah, I thought the biggest play was the Cam Hildreth three a little bit later, too. Who doesn't shoot a lot of threes?

And apparently I didn't realize playing with a messed up rest. Right. Court storming.

I don't know. Look, Chris Canty went next to next level, bro. And it's Kyle Filipowski's fault.

Is there a way to stop it? John Shire talked about when are we going to ban court storming? I mean, if we play, let's play the mental argument, the like the hypothetical here. All right, let's ban court storming. Now what? How do you stop it without the ones like you who work tirelessly to keep things running?

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I don't think you can. Look, I said this before. I don't know what the I was not there. So I don't know what security Wake Forest had in place. But I've been right. I've been to plenty of games. And in many cases, it's, you know, retirees who get the yellow jackets and like they're really cool. And they've been around the program and they love watching Wake basketball or whatever. And again, I don't want to make this specific because I don't know the situation there and I want to be fair.

I don't want to I don't I don't want to paint everything with that with the same brush. It's different everywhere. But I will say that I've seen very few situations where it seems like the security of the people on the floor are a serious priority. I do see ACC tournaments and it does seem like they take the security seriously.

Every school should take it seriously. And, you know, the ACC tournament, you're not going to get a court storm because you just don't have enough fans. And yeah, at least for that school, the big, big people sitting close to the court are not storming the court. Yes, they're going to storm the luxury suite. Here's the thing about Saturday. There were a bunch of people in fluorescent yellow shirts that were around the court, but they basically watched everybody run by him.

They did absolutely nothing. And so I think the key here is training. And, you know, listen, if you've got all those people that are that are like jammed up against the court, you know, they're coming. You've got to tell them, look, kids either hold up until the other teams off the court or stay on this side. I mean, they'll listen. I mean, they'll listen.

You just have to be you are a man to them. Incredible faith, right? I mean, no, but I mean, look, you're not telling them to stop. You just you're kind of making some orderly procedures here and they'll follow it.

But listen, you have to do something because the court is the players and coaches domain. And I hear the whole thing about Filipowski throwing the first blow and everything. You know what? He's he's he's one guy and he's facing a mob of thousands. That's called self-defense.

He's entitled to do that if that's what happened. So, I mean, there are things that could be done and fines will help. But, you know, you can't stop it. And to be honest with you, I'm not a big fan of stopping it because college athletics is about emotion. It's about fun. It's about students about every and that's what separates it from like the NBA.

This is as long as it's done in an orderly way. I love court storms. Yeah, we just had a court storming in the SEC and I don't remember the school. South Carolina, Kentucky.

Okay, there you go. South Carolina stormed the court when they beat Kentucky. Did anybody get hurt in that? No, and you won't hear about it for the 9000 court storms all year.

But when Kaitlyn Clark gets knocked over or Kyle Filipowski bangs knees with somebody, everybody's calling for him to be stopped. Here's the thing. The SEC has a rule against it.

This is the reason I brought it up. So they fined South Carolina a hundred thousand dollars because the court was stormed. And the same thing happens in a football game.

There are no you're not allowed to storm the field. If there's the reason Clemson, well, Clemson can't go to the SEC. It would cost them a hundred thousand dollars a home win automatically. A hundred thousand dollars a home win to join the SEC.

They have to go to the Big Ten. I'm breaking that news right now. So you're not allowed. But that doesn't mean it won't happen. It's just okay. So it's going to happen. So this is what we're going to do.

And maybe maybe it becomes not part of the culture of those schools. And that's fine. But I do think it's part of the I think it's part of the experience.

And I do agree. I think it's what separates, you know, what else, you know, what else contributed to Saturday's issue to the fact that Steve Forbes called a time out with one point eight seconds left to go. Now, obviously, they tried an alley-oop earlier and, you know, he didn't want to do anything stupid, even though they had a four point lead.

I get it. But that extra 30 seconds or 45 seconds or a minute or whatever just gave the crowd that much more time to get torqued up. And I think getting that game over with and just kind of getting them off the court, I think it may have helped. Well, that made we've seen it happen before and I don't know. I'm not necessarily suggesting this, but in certain other situations, we've seen teams take their starters off the court, right? Right. And then I go, well, what did you not care about the other players? I mean, they're also players, too, right? They're all they're also flesh and flesh and bone. Look, again, I don't think there's anything you're going to do about it other than I think the onus is on the university to have in place procedures to deal with this type of thing. Steve Logan likes to say to me what he thought what he used to tell offensive linemen when you're going up against somebody who is bigger, faster and stronger than you get run over slowly.

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That's it. I blame Kyle Filipowski. I don't go to Duke and don't lose when you go on the road. That's your fault, Kyle.

I don't have nobody else to nobody else to blame but Kyle Filipowski. All right. So I want to play the stable. We'll close on this this little element. Here's what Steve Forbes.

I want to set it up as well as I can. Forbes. This is a year removed. Saw a tweet from Joe Lenardi.

He has been saying this in the chamber for a long time. Saw a tweet from Joe Lenardi criticizing the quality of ACC basketball by pointing to their last three players of the year, which were Moses. What was his name from Georgia Tech? Moses Wright. Moses Wright from Georgia Tech. Then it was Alondis Williamson from Wake. And last year, Isaiah Wong from Miami, who are not necessarily household NBA names.

As for why the ACC was considered down, here's Steve Forbes yesterday. First of all, it's disrespectful to those three kids because being a player of the year, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite to having a great league or having to have a tournament resume or getting a seed. And quite frankly, he he he neglected to say when Moses Wright got player of the year, he led his team to the tournament championship, got COVID, didn't get a play in the tournament. But the number four pick in the draft in our league was Scottie Barnes.

OK, now you go the next year, he's going to say about Alondis when Paulo Bancaro is the number one pick in the draft. We had three first team NBA picks that made second team all ACC. Wesley, La Ravia for us and Wendell Moore. Then we had a third team all ACC player, Mark Williams, who was a first round pick. And we had another ACC player didn't even make all league that was a first round pick. A.J. Griffin. We had two teams playing the final four, one team playing the lead eight and one team play for the national championship.

That's not a down league. I love Steve Forbes so much. I mean. Where does what does Joel and Artie even think these things through? I think he does. And I think he's got some sort of an agenda, probably the Big East, because he's an East Coast guy. He's the St. Joe's guy.

He's he is, if anything, an Atlantic 10 guy. But listen, you've been around the ACC long enough because we've gone we go back way back. Yes, that the ACC used to be obnoxious about pounding its chest as to how good they were. They were the gold standard, the be all and end all of college basketball. And they were right for a very long time. But people got tired of hearing it. And I think this is a backlash for that. Now that the field is leveled out with NIL, with TV, with, you know, the ACC is not up there anymore.

It's one of the best, but it's not the best. Right. And I think this is this is the payback.

Are you. So we're going to be able to do this to SEC football soon? Maybe. Is that is that what you say? Of course, the SEC is the only conference left. That is true.

We're all the SEC. Well, that's very possible that that could that could happen. Yeah. I just doesn't it make your league better if you're ACC player of the year ends up being a second round pick? And the number one pick in the draft is Paulo. Follow.

Follow Van Caro. It's just the silliest thing ever. But and also when Lenardi put out. And I think I saw you respond to this before anybody else. When he says the ACC seeds over the last several years, you know, they had a two and two fours and a five. And then I think you pointed out, yeah, you forgot the second part of that where they went to two final fours and national championship game or actually three final fours because Miami went last year. And like all of the all, you know, how far these teams went all that should matter to the equation.

And maybe it just tells you that maybe I'll kind of screwed that up. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. And maybe more teams should have gotten in because if you look at the Big Ten, I mean, produce been a one or two seed. What every last three or four years twice in the last three years, they've lost to a 15 seed and a 16 seed. So, I mean, if you want to really use the postseason as a as a true indicator of conference strength, there you go. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm waiting for Purdue this year. I mean, I think I think a lot of people have it loaded in the chamber. I'm not I'm not necessarily this way.

If I'm a 15 or 16 seed, I want them. Oh, my gosh. Fred Friedlander, ACC columnist, Saturday Road Dotcom. Thank you very much, man.

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