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What New Lawsuits Mean to Deshaun Watson's Contract

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June 13, 2022 2:55 pm

What New Lawsuits Mean to Deshaun Watson's Contract

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June 13, 2022 2:55 pm

Will Brinson of CBS Sports joined the show to talk about the NFL, including what new lawsuits mean to Cleveland Browns' QB Deshaun Watson's contract. He also spoke about players showing up for minicamp, and how the receiving corps for some teams, including the Green Bay Packers, have evolved this offseason.

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Visit us at This is the Adam Gold Show. Monday, 1230, straight up. Time to check in with Will Brinson, Senior NFL Writer,, PIXIX Podcast Moderator, and there are a number of things to get to, but before we get to the stuff that I texted you that I wanted to hit on, who's writing and getting people's hopes up that the Jets are set to make a Bengals-like leap at Why do they want to do that? You know, I don't want to disparage the person who's doing that because they're my co-worker, but I don't know who that is.

I'm not trying to say it's just a matter. I really don't know who that is because we read about it on the podcast. Did you read it on CBS or did you hear about it on the podcast? I'm looking at right now and it just says why Jets are set up to make a Bengals-like leap. Again, I'm not trying to blow torch a co-worker. The premise is basically second-year quarterback through talent, but there's no offense to Zach Wilson and Jets fans and the Jets, but there's not the pedigree. The Bengals were in the Super Bowl. Yeah, but Joe Burrow won the national title a year before and just tore his ACL as a rookie. There's no comparison.

It's a terrible article and I'm trying to be nice about it. Maybe the Jets will be better and that's fair because they certainly made some improvements. I hope you believe that I no longer care what the Jets do.

To me, they are a fascination and more of a comedy show than anything else. Although, I like Robert Salah. I think he could be really good, but you know, it is still Zach Wilson. Meanwhile, I keep reading out of New York because I read the papers there because I'm a Mets fan. I read Zach Wilson not really impressing anybody, which who knows.

Anyway, let's go here. Let's start with Deshaun Watson because last week I was listening to people say, oh my gosh, Cleveland's really got a problem now. And my feeling has been really 24 lawsuits wasn't a problem, but 66 different massage therapists that are not contracted by the team.

Now, this is a bigger. How can you get really worse than 24 lawsuits? I couldn't wrap my mind around like if you weren't mad, then if it wasn't stopping Cleveland from doing that, then what does 66 mean?

Yeah, I mean, it's, um, it's pretty arbitrary level of outrage for off field accusations. Oh, oh, 24. Well, nothing. 22 I got.

Okay. I understand the 22 24. I mean, 66 visiting 66 different massage therapists in the span. I think it's like 17 months is one a week. That's not right.

I mean, that's not a it's not a healthy habit. You know what I mean? Obviously, like the often like the, the accusations aside, it's like, sort of, you know, I mean, it's like, you know, the thing is, you know, it's interesting. I mean, and I'm not trying to be the guy to ask about like, you know, it's like, what do this, is this like a, something that just happened when he got to Houston, like what, you know, I mean, it seems like the Texans enabled it some I mean, was it. Yeah, it was there.

It was their NDA. But I'm saying like, is this is this just a habit that he like, I mean, 66 and 1717 months or so. Yeah, no, seven, 17 months, like, but you know, the funny thing is that we knew from reading about, you know, all the reporting that of the, of the women who were part of the, the original 22.

You know, woman civil suit, there were some, we'll just say repeat customers there. You know, so, so he has doubled up, in some cases, like, who knows, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's clear that he's guy kind of a creep. At the very least, he's just kind of a creep like that. And that's probably giving him the biggest benefit of the doubt ever because we don't, we're not privy to all of the information in the evidence, but at the very at the base.

He's a creep. Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, and I would say that if you're arguing Oh, Cleveland's got a problem.

Now, the premise of your argument needs to be twofold one that as a result. We don't we don't know this because we don't we're not we don't we, we will need to find them. But, um, and Roger Goodell's not gonna rule on this it's, um, there's an independent third party arbitrator, a former former US District Court judge, right, a female, which I think matters in this instance, I mean, is going to be doing doing the rulings here, and you're going to have a situation where, you know, sorry I'm doing a live draft with Jamie Eisenberg. For some reason. Tell Jamie we said hi. I will.

Anyway, you know you have. So, twofold one you have the contract situation to give the discipline situation. Now there's some belief that the if Watson if there's additional lawsuits that are brought forward that cause him.

Actually lose some of the guarantees in that contract now that would be frankly kind of beneficial at this point for Cleveland, but if it, if for some reason, it says ironclad as we've been led to believe by some people who've analyzed it then you know that would be extremely problematic for Cleveland, doubling down on that. If there's somewhere between 24 and 66 eventual civil lawsuits that are brought against us all Watson just based on the numbers we know right if Watson met with the NFL. And met with the league's investigators and told them and the Browns and everyone who would listen that, you know, 22 is the beer the highest possible number of lawsuits that anyone's going to deal with, and that, you know, these are all going to be settled and everything's gonna be fine. And then it comes out there a lot more lawsuits, and there's more, it's more problematic than we thought before the NFL is going to hammer him from a disciplinary standpoint, because, you know, it's, you heard it, you hear it repeated all the time it's like, and I'm not saying it in this case but like the lie, the cover up. Oftentimes, can lead to, you know, bigger discipline, not that I'm saying the cover up is worse in this case than what's been alleged because it's certainly not. But if the NFL believes that its investigators have been lied to the NFL believe is much more likely to hand out a stiffer discipline than they might otherwise give him for, you know, the initial belief, Adam golden studio with my friend coach Pete DeRuta with the capital financial advisory group we are talking retirement coach How does longevity risk figure into our retirement and income plan, this is the best of times and the worst of times Adam longevity risk means we're going to live too long, but to me, every day I live is not too long.

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And I also think it was Lisa Friel maybe was involved in the relation in this Sue L. Robinson, who's a former retired US District Court judge who will hear the Watson discipline case, right? So I mean, I'm not moved by any of that. The Cleveland Browns have already shown you what they believe or what they care about not only trading for him, which is fine.

He's an incredibly talented quarterback. But the fact is that he's also a serial creep and they guaranteed him 230 million dollars, which nobody's happy about. I have to think that now that now that we know that the number of women is 66, which is and you know what, nobody will be surprised if it's higher. Jenny Vrentis has only been on the case for what a year.

She'll probably find more from the New York Times. The only reason like I mean, just from a sheer time perspective is the only reason you think it would not be hot. You know, it's like just like the sheer physics of how often you could visit in masseuse. But I mean, and it probably dates back further than 17 months, right? He's been in Houston for what, six years. So my guess is that the league might have to really hammer Cleveland here or hammer Watson and suspend him for a full year, maybe longer. I think what will this is just my gut right now is that we will see watching it somewhere between six and eight games for 2022 right and that the league will attach an asterisk to it, because the civil lawsuits will not be settled and there could be additional civil lawsuits coming down the pipe. In other words, you suspend him for half of the season now heading into this heading into 2022. And you note that there is a substantial opportunity for future discipline should additional cases arise.

And remember, the brown loaded, loaded in front, but like, actually backloaded this contract. Yes, his salary for 2022 is gonna be a million dollars because they anticipated a suspension. His agent and Watson both anticipated a suspension, and they want to minimize the financial losses. That's part of that suspension. So additionally, I would expect that the NFL will heavily find both either Deshaun Watson or the Browns. Hey, look, you tried to circumvent, you know, discipline by by manipulating the salary cap in the contract. But that's, I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL, you know, like Dr. Brown's a draft pick for doing it like a, you know, they should do they should dock the Browns the draft pick for not doing an investigation, which they don't have any draft picks because they gave them all up to Deshaun Watson. Well, that that is true.

All right, one thing before we take a quick break. I am and we're going to when we come back, we'll talk about what Tyreek Hill had to say about his new quarterback, and also the team, the two teams that lost the highest profile wide receivers or maybe the three but really the two in the Packers and the Chiefs. Is this the sneaky best move that we have seen from a new head coach Doug Peterson letting vets out of minicamp? I mean, is he not the anti Urban Meyer? Well, it's I mean, yeah, yeah, he is. I mean, like, but it's also to be the anti Urban Meyer, you don't have to be some, you know, some, you know, saint who are some like deity who descended from above and provides amazing football guidance.

You just have to be a competent non creep, like a mildly competent non creep away, and you are the urban Myers. So, in that sense, yeah, I mean, look, Doug Peterson is a Super Bowl champion on a Super Bowl with Nick folds like he, you know, I think that the he is a professional football coach. Yeah, Urban Meyer is a college football coach, and he came in and tried to act like he could just run it. You know with the jacket and Doug Peterson is going to purchase completely differently, and every one of those Jaguars players, a whole lot looser. And frankly, I think the Jaguars are a lot more likely to make the bingo turn to do a bingles thing than the Jets.

Yeah, well, more likely is still a long shot. All right, well, when we come back a little bit about what's going on with the Washington commandos, the defensive coordinator has deleted his Twitter account too late. Sorry, we've all read your, we've all read your timeline jack that's unfortunate. And then the, the pass catchers for the Chiefs, and the Packers with will Brinson next June 19 2006, but it all started May 6 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford Whalers were coming to North Carolina, it's a story of transition of heartbreak of figuring it out on the fly, the canes corner look at the 25th anniversary of the move, presented by the aluminum company of North Carolina. Listen now, find James 25th anniversary, wherever you get your podcast, you and I talked about Aaron Donald. On Monday, from the standpoint that I wonder why showing up to mini camp, because he doesn't, he was, he was going to hold out because he was threatening to retire. Now we know why he showed up to me, mini camp, because they stuffed $40 million in his pocket which, frankly is probably the minimum, they should have given him the Rams also paid Cooper cup. They have, they do not care about cash, which is good. So give it to the, or picks. They don't know how you can't pay him. You can't pay the draft picks.

Well you know you know Les need where's the shirt that actually says, f them pics, like it's like the mean to Michael Jordan right like f them kids, but it's f them pics and so he's like yeah we don't care about the pics. And, yeah, I mean I think that the Rams, if you look at what they did with the cup and the dial thing. They basically have taken it's Donald and read your knowledge and Ramsey on the defensive side Matthew Stafford Cooper cup on the offensive side. And those are their core for right and they're going to eat up a ton of salary cap space. The only guys above 5% of their salary cap table for the next two years. They are the, they, they are all in on that core really for a two three slash four two slash three slash four year window, where they hope that they can make multiple Super Bowl runs, and then they're going to supplement it supplement those guys with, you know, some, some smarter free agent signings, and then like to lessen each credit man he's crushed it in the later rounds of the draft they found some really good players, not all of whom are still on the roster because of financial reasons but they have done a great job, finding talent in later rounds and it benefits them in the sense that they are Cape they're able to load up to pay these core star players, and then supplement them with those later round guys and try to make Super Bowl runs.

Look, there. There are a lot of different ways to do what you do, and shouts to them and obviously I think they're very well coached, and they found a quarterback still had enough tread left on the tires, and had been around for a long time and obviously he's still very good. I love the fact that he is the fourth largest cap hit on the team, and you're, you just can't find that from good quarterbacks, great quarterbacks, you can't find that anywhere to be the fourth highest cap hit on the team, although I guess in Cleveland, Watson would be around there, because his cap hit this year is not going to be a lot. Alright, real quick to say, just really quickly on the Rams too is like, you know, they went all in on this, on this, this core and they won the Super Bowl and look, they could have easily fallen short I mean Tom Brady came close to coming back to Christian chart intercept Stafford late in the NFC Championship game, etc etc. But when you win the Super Bowl.

They have a brand new stadium and a fan base that is actually growing in LA, and they have the leeway and the freedom to just be super aggressive over the next few years and worry about it later because they've already got that one Super Bowl in the bag and I think they're operating as both a coach as a GM if you're less need. Look, then, and they have the best defensive player, in my opinion since Lawrence Taylor completely disruptive and does it from a defensive tackle position. Now to the two teams that got rid of elite wide receivers Devante Adams goes from Green Bay to the Raiders Tyree kill from the Chiefs to the Dolphins, which team did better in filling the gaps filling the void between the dolphins between the Chiefs and the Packers.

Oh, well. Alright, so, um, I mean the answer is the Chiefs, because they already had more weapons to supplement their law to overcome their losses in terms of, you know, Tyree kill departing. If you take former shout out hashtag pack pro right right receiver but but there is, there's a lot of, he's got a lot of upside, very quick.

His deep credibility coupled with Judy Smith Schuster and how he's going to work underneath, coupled with sky more who they got coming out of the draft. They're the Chiefs have plenty of dudes, they still have me call Hardman. You can't replace Tyree kill, but they supplemented his loss pretty well, I think with the Packers. I mean, you know, like, I think, and I've said this for a while now and I believe it and you know the early mini camp returns show that I'm correct on this, but I think what they're going to do is, you know, Allen starts give me their one I guess draft, small school, maybe a tough transition, especially with a guy like Rogers who really prefer ideas are established rapport with, but I think they're going to use Aaron Jones, a ton lined out lined up out wide, and I think that in a perfect world they can get 17 games from both Aaron Jones and AJ Dylan, you're going to see Dylan be the primary guy in the backfield and Jones be lined up outside and use him or do you know to to running back sets and Jones, split them out. Like, I think Eric Jones is going to have a monster receiving here this season, because they're going to try and punch through him to make up for the loss of the month Adam, I think that they are basically and they did sign Sammy Watkins for what that's worth. They are going to put a lot on the right arm of Aaron Rogers and maybe they can scheme their way around it.

I mean, Matt LaFleur is of that school that thinks they can scheme their way around it for a while Sean McVeigh. Rogers has been great. No, Rogers is to me is still the best quarterback in the league in terms of ability. I think Rogers is the best goofy or not, but you know, the head coaches believe they can scheme their way out of it. Sean McVeigh scheme their way around what Jared Goff for for three years. They made him look competent.

So, all right, final thing. Does Jack Del Rio think we that the world hasn't already gone through his Twitter profile, his head coach basically said, Yeah, because he watched the hearings last week. Yeah, we saw we all know. Basically, my assistant, my, my defensive coordinators kind of a dope. Yeah, Ron find him at 100 K for calling the I mean, look, like, you know, I'm not going to like litigate everything Jack Del Rio said but suffice to say, you know, he, he, like, get off, it's probably smarter to get off the streets jack way to get off the Twitter streets.

I think there's a pretty good chance if you read the tea leaves. I'm not the only one who thinks this but here's a pretty good chance that we can end up seeing your Jack Del Rio, not in, in Washington by the time that the season starts. Well Brinson you're the best man, talk to you next week, my friend. This is the Adam Gold Show. June 19 2006, but it all started May 6 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford Whalers were coming to North Carolina, it's a story of transition of heartbreak of figuring it out on the fly. The canes corner look at the 25th anniversary of the moon, presented by the aluminum company of North Carolina. Listen now, find James 25th anniversary, wherever you get your podcasts.
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