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In our cover story, Susan Spencer meets a pioneer in the study of stroke recovery. David Pogue explains the GameStop stock battle pitting Wall Street hedge funds against day traders. Mo Rocca talks with Mark Harris, author of a new biography of director Mike Nichols. Holly Williams profiles actor and Negroni-mixer Stanley Tucci. and Martha Teichner tells the story behind her new book, "When Harry Met Minnie," a true tale of puppy love and friendship. Mo Rocca guest hosts this week's "CBS Sunday Morning."

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We begin this morning with a promising medical trial that's offering you hope to victims of stroke, though still in its early stages of the procedure already might be called a stroke of genius Susan Spencer will explain why and just 39 years old. Aaron Yuan became a stroke victim. Now at 41.

He's become something else. Patient one in a groundbreaking study so they're telling you we're going to put electrodes in your son's brain and your reaction to this was, honestly, I was terrified a potential game changer for stroke victims ahead on Sunday morning lady day was the nickname of the celebrated jazz singer Billie holiday is portrayed in a new movie by another singer by the name of day will be hearing about that from Tracy Smith in the new film the United States versus Billie holiday singer-songwriter Andrew day mesmerizing in the title role, she was almost too afraid to take it is probably no better way to say that I want to suck thought you might. I was certain that I will on later this Sunday morning. The return lady day and then it's on to a legend of stage and screen comedy and drama. His name was Mike Nichols in this morning, you'll learn more about his remarkable life you are you are are Mike Nichols was already a famous comedian when he discovered that directing was his true calling. He always said that he walked in sat down with the doctors to read the boy, and suddenly thought this is what I meant to do, and boy was it ever life's David Pogue takes stock of a week of turmoil on Wall Street Martha tensioner tells us the tale of when Harry met many Holly Williams is in conversation with actor Stanley Tucci. We've got Steve Hartman and more on this Sunday morning for 31 January 2021. Be right back a stroke can strike at almost any age with no advance warning, so no wonder some are calling a new experimental treatment for its victims. A stroke of genius Susan Spencer tells us all about it.

Retired New Jersey schoolteacher Holly Hulin and her son Aaron always have been exceptionally close. What sort of personality does he have very compassionate loves animals has always been a tinkerer young and capable. Aaron seemed perfectly healthy until one January morning in 2019. Woke up to the bathroom in my bed grab some to get out of bed at a got my 2 feet on the floor and I walked a couple feet and I fell down I went to go down the hallway past his bedroom found them in the floor, but he could not get up. You couldn't get up off the floor. No, this must've been terrifying at just 39 years old. Aaron had suffered a stroke paralyzing his left side. He tried to talk to me, but his words were all garbled and was terrified that he never speak again. After four days in the ICU. He'd regained his speech but not much else. He then spent two months in rehab we had one neurologist tell us the iron would never move his arm again and when we got in the parking lot. I literally put his face in my hands and I say don't you even buy into that.

How would you define a stroke stroke occurs whenever there is any problem with blood flow to the brain. The more common type is caused by some sort of blockage of an artery. Dr. Diana Zang is a neurology professor at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. In general, people assume that strokes happen only to older people is that the case anyone can have a stroke. Even young people, and there is a concerning trend there. There are more young adults suffering from strokes. Astoundingly, one American has a stroke every 40 seconds, and 10 to 15% of stroke victims are only 18 to 49 years old as to why this happens. About 50% of the time when a young person has a stroke. We can't figure out the cause because of Aaron stroke is still a mystery. But the consequences are devastatingly clear. There is no regeneration of brain cells had a stroke.

The brain cells that have been affected are our dad for some patients, we offer intensive physical therapy and occupational therapy, speech therapy, but in terms of direct intervention that we can provide to patients. Still, none too wide to help them regain what they've lost, but Aaron is determined to regain what's lost.

Which is why he mastered a three wheeler when he couldn't ride a regular bike, and it's why he said yes to be patient.

One in a revolutionary study at Thomas Jefferson University. His mother wasn't so sure.

So they're telling you we're going to put electrodes in your son's brain and your reaction to this was honestly, I was terrified, but I also knew it was Aron's decision and he did not hesitate.

No, he just kept saying I want my arm back so last October with cameras rolling doctors implanted multiple electrodes in Aaron's brain.

It took nine hours rehearse this hundreds of cards prior to surgery to know how we were going to do it to know precisely where we were to put it. Jefferson health neurosurgeon Dr. Robert Rosenwasser is one of two lead doctors on the study of bright white spots where the stroke Thomas Jefferson University neurology professor Dr. Mikhail surreal yeah is the other one of these electrodes like how big are they what they look like the electrodes of the study are incredibly small about the size of baby aspirin or regular M&M so smaller than a peanut and they just go into the surface of the cortex, the outside of the brain that what this is basically an electrode array in the little bundle of wires that comes out and you can see actually one to 34 and in a nutshell, the role of these electrodes is the role of the electrodes is to record the electrical signals from his existing brain cells take those electrical signals and convert them into the movement that he desires to do move his fingers move his hand move his arm. In other words, Aaron stroke damage. The connection between his brain and his arm is one of those is going to connect to a different electrode.

These electrodes) sending signals from his brain to a motorized brace and voilà Aaron can move his arm again is shown us that someone almost 2 years now after any significant stroke can recover function and it's just the beginning.

There's so many things that we do that we just completely take for granted. For example, pick up a cop or he said he has trouble zipping anything because he can't that hand. How far do you think this technology can go in terms of people actually regaining fine motor skills. Well, I'm not sure I'll be on this earth to see but I think we'll have people playing the piano and be concert violinist come on, seriously, seriously, that's amazing.

It is Aaron's electrodes were put in for only a three month trial, but Dr. see the day when like a pacemaker.

This technology will be wireless and implantable, eliminating the arm brace altogether. I think that is the goal that in the coming 510 1520 years we will have a medical device that will be available for people had a stroke so that they can go to their physician. Their neurosurgery team got this device and however far they've gotten in their physical and occupational therapy that can break through the plateau and keep going and restore movement your doctors think that this is potentially a game changer will help other stroke victims and they can look at myself exactly they call me the pioneer like that it on Wall Street this past week. Plenty of chaos. David Pogue explains why. Last week you might've seen the headlines about something truly whacked out going on in the stock market something to do with game stop this alien chain of retail stores that sell video games for no discernible business reason it stock shot up as a percent in a matter of days. Allow me to present your explanation, you know the formula for making money in the stock market right by low, sell high, but is also possible to make money when the stock goes down. This is called shorting a stock bedding.

The company stock will fall is a little complicated, but the basics goes something like this when the stock is high you borrow shares from your brokerage and then you sell them. No course. Technically, you still owe those shares your brokerage.

See wait for the price of the stocks go down, and then he would buy them back for much less money return the shares your brokerage and you just need money. Unless of course the price the stock went up in the meantime. In that case, you're in trouble. Wall Street doesn't like game stop much after all, who's buying video games and physical store anymore.

So the hedge funds had shorted game stop bet against it than last week they met their match, namely the foreign Wall Street that which has more than 2 million subscribers. There are dozens of foreign traders encouraging each other to push shares higher risk. Jamie Rosinski started Wall Street bets a forum on in 2012.

It's a place where amateur investors talk about quick stock bets.

They tend to be snarky funny little reckless there but looking at it as I'm delusional money is on purchasing possibility of making money with a nonrefundable last week a funny thing happened. These amateur investors on Wall Street bets get to buy up game stop stock driving his price up egging each other on went bananas more than 130% on a single day see things like that on Wall Street juice lessons or should know she's my colleague CBS News business analyst she's witnessed how the big brokerage houses refer to mom-and-pop individual investors also known as retail investors behind closed doors. They call that retail investors, the dumb money and they call the institutions funds equity people with the smart money. The interesting part of this story is that the concentrating is so low. Executing a trade is so easy that you can all of a sudden harness the power of the money to go up against the smart money. Remember all those big New York hedge funds had to buy games stock shares from the market in order to return it and all the buying and wound up driving the price even higher. Pretty soon some of the Reddit investors had made millions on paper in the hedge funds were in desperate trouble. One of them. Melvin capital had to borrow almost $3 billion to cover its game stop short the Internet with the little guy was probably on just Dr. were judged and were just a bunch of know nothings amateurs have one of these guys… By the way, it wasn't just a game stop. Something similar is going on with other lame-duck companies like AMC movie chain and blackberry.

The SEC is investigating in the story is still unraveling but some aspects of this tale, Joe Slusser says won't change a bit dated for as long as I've been in this business Eric to dominant forces. There is fear and there is great.

There is nothing that will legislate that or regulate that away is going to start opening up your personal life to ours so is Robinson. Your time is movies like the graduate helped make a legend of the late director Mike Nichols, a man of many talents.

He lived a life worthy of a movie all its own.

As the author of a new biography tells us a Mike Nichols film over 15 years. Those words became something of a promise that we were about to see ourselves best like I got ribs and out all those complicated all too human places in between blood on my with my close makeups slipped Mike's approach as the director was make it real. Make it recognizable and go toward the people with talent, the actors, the writers that you love his own tail began improbably, says Mark Harris, the author of a new biography about Nichols Mike Nichols's life story is a story of someone who started with the odds pretty well stacked against him. As he explained to Leslie stall on 60 minutes when he was born in Berlin in 1931. Nichols wasn't even his name was Michael Gorka structured and my father was a doctor he was rushing and when we came to this country. She said the both of exposing the patient was in the hospital.

Nichols's Jewish family fled Nazi Germany just before World War II. Mike was just seven and spoke barely any English.

Not only that, like, was hairless. He had a childhood reaction to the vaccine that resulted in the loss of all of his hair and his inability to grow hair.

He was bald for his whole life is bald since he was four years old refugee English as a second language being bald from a very young age. I mean, he must like an outsider.

Just like later credited his style of comedy which was very observational with how much he had to learn how to be creative and learn how to be an American by watching other kids. University of Chicago. He began coming into his own performing in place and struck a near instant connection with fellow student, Elaine May likes all away the train station sat down and pretended that he was a secret agent.

She was a secret agent and she picked right up on it was like two people discovering they spoke the same secret language and they were really inseparable. If it was an improvisation. It was an improvisation or people would even use the word improvisation. Their brand of observational comedy soon made Nichols in May.

Very famous. He and Elaine. They were only in their mid-to-late 20s when they kind of took off overnight. I reviewed their sketches like this one about the awkward negotiations of two teens on a first date became classics they performed on Broadway grew weary of the grind and decided to part ways for a time, Nichols needed a new gig playwright Neil Simon needed help with his new comedy. Mike realizes that he is a director and this is what is meant to be day one.

Of rehearsals for the first lady ever directed barefoot of the park. Nichols directed Elizabeth Ashley and a young Robert Redford not to play for laughs but to play it as truthfully as possible. He wanted to believe that you are watching two people almost spying on them in the privacy of their own sixth floor walk-up studio apartment and that was something people really the play was a hit and Nichols won a Tony than another for the odd couple at the ripe old age of 33 he headed west for his film directing debut he's directing to actors that were sort of famous right the first time behind the camera electrical spikes on who's afraid of Virginia Woolf from with indisputable you at the time the world's most famous couple Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton have affected even know what to do. Mike would say that he didn't know what to do. Getty wasn't shy about making demands like filling his adaptation of the controversial play in black and white thousand years anyways been quite but he's bedside manner with a superstar couple ensured that the studio said yes it was a critical and box office triumph. All God or his next film the graduate Nichols cast an unknown Dustin Hoffman for his dark comedy about an English college grad having an affair with an old woman do you think we could say a few words to each other first. Much to say later, in one Nichols and Oscar and awakened a whole new generation of moviegoers the graduate by the end of its run in theaters it had become the third highest grossing movie American history. It was by far the most important friendship that I I think I ever had. He was sort of the apotheosis of the arts and of wit and of generosity about Susan. 20 so afraid you four 1971's sexually provocative, carnal knowledge, Nichols cast his longtime friend Candice Bergen think I was so young when I did carnal knowledge.

I didn't even know what it was about until I saw it again at Mike's house 10 years later and I went my God. I then Nichols was accustomed to living large. He made a lot of money you like to do that caviar and foie gras and châteaux we can you love luxury love affluence and Arabian horses. I think he felt insulated by money. Mike Nichols had flops more than a few, but the theater always welcomed him back in education. I got affairs.

Zach and Whitney Hannah's I stay so I don't get mad brought a little-known Whoopi Goldberg to Broadway after first seeing her perform in a tiny theater.

Harris writes Nichols went backstage to meet her and burst into tears something frivolously. What makes Mike different than other directors, and loving talent so much that you burst into tears is unlike it's not a director shall Nichols began a long time collaboration with Meryl Streep, he said. Merrill woke me up. What are the mean when he started to work with Meryl Streep and Angel is thinking that your completely naturally in sync with his approach as a director.

How do I make this real. When he was 56 Mike Nichols married for the fourth time journalist Diane Sawyer. It was the Mike before Diane and the Mike after Diane. She brought out the best, which was great and just when most careers begin slowing his once again flourished to you to have Martha Graham Martha Graham Carver was one of his biggest hits you see before you are happy 2012. He won a Tony is 10th for directing death of a salesman so got to dream goes with the territory.

By the time of his death. Two years later at 83. The outsider mind real life for comedic and dramatic gold was the embodiment of the Hollywood a list and since Candace Bergen cherished friend. A few of us had a dinner for him after he died, a celebration of Mike. It was hard to keep it to 300 people. I mean really, we we struggled and every one of the people at the party he had been instrumental in helping them in their career or in giving them money.

He had been a very good friend and you thought how it it wasn't just me. It happened this past week. The loss of two great stars Cloris Leachman, died Wednesday as a dramatic actress, she won an Oscar for the last picture show, but it's for her comic that shall be best remembered, including Young Frankenstein opposite Gene Wilder CVS is the Mary Tyler Moore show trail of Mary's neighbor Phyllis won her two enemies.

Cloris Leachman was 94 Harlem born Sicily Tyson was a powerful performer and champion of civil rights played a sharecropper's wife in the film, sound or leave me and showing me what she wanted to score her portrayal of a woman whose life span of slavery and freedom in a CBS television movie.

Tyson spoke with our Gayle King just five days before she died and made my mind that I could not afford the luxury of just being an action I've used my career as my Phone.

Tyson received the presidential medal of freedom 2016. She died Thursday at 96 Bell streaming progress and start doing crazy time once finals is. The point is we need.

There are bad people in the best way to protect good people is to convict the final season Millstream exclusively on this is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition states put her mind to something, we can usually figure it out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and empirically as our strategic situation or motor situations not being matched up with follow. Intelligence matters were ever you get your podcasts when Harry met many, it's a new book by our own Martha Tyson or that's a bittersweet story of canine love story.

Only Martha herself can tell you're supposed to think about the film, when Harry Met Sally, which was also a love story set in New York City. Many on the left Harry on the right. They really did like that.

But the story isn't just about a romance between two bull Terriers.

It's a kind of only New York fairytale I found myself part of because it's true. The happily ever after. Part is messy, but it does start many fairytales do serendipity here early on a Saturday morning in the summer of 2016. At New York City's largest farmers market where certain dogs and their people show up at the same time every week, including another bull terrier suddenly I spotted an old dog walking acquaintance. I hadn't seen in a year or two and had never seen the farmers market. Stephen Miller Siegel with his golden retriever.

I walked up to you. How are you where is your other dog a few months before goose Minnie's companion for most of her life, died is looking for an older male because many and it was almost as if, like the heavens opened up why because Carol fruitcake, a friend of Stephen's for 30 years, was dying of liver cancer.

The result of living practically next door to Ground Zero. The aftermath of 9/11, nobody wanted her 11 1/2-year-old dog Harry. She had made me promise that if we could find a home. I would put him down which was extremely difficult conversation. If I'd been standing somewhere else. If I'd been there at 845 instead of 830. If it'd been raining and many and I stayed home. Stephen would not have seen us and none of this would ever have happened. I googled Carol for take. Her apartment was featured in Elle decor magazine. She was a big-league designer of many things. Carol walked down the street.

She was we would like mothers playing matchmaker and long after Harry and many actually fell in love.

We kept on playing because Carol and I quickly became close friends.

She designed a special coat of arms for Sir Henry Fertig and made one for many to only fitting because many thought she was a glamorous movie star and maybe a princess.

One night Carol came to dinner fairly early on when she was still feeling pretty well and she pulled out of her, her ever present Mary Poppins huge carrier bag. This is it belonged to her first bull terrier Harry's predecessor Carol said Harry what admin need to have it and I said does it upset you to give away your treasures and she said no gives me pleasure. The gift of her friendship was the greatest of the treasures Carol gave away two, among others. The women from her apartment building who use their games of mah-jongg as an excuse to dress up all of them eager for news from Carol about the dogs.

We all like a child. As Carol got sicker suppression and to other members of the group took on the thankless job of caring for her. I called them the three graces goldleaf all over Carol and all is no.

It was over so soon. I had Harry for 16 months and then he was going to when I took many to the farmers market in October. She hadn't been up to go along.

Ever the actress, she rose to the occasion as if she knew it would be her last great performance less than three weeks later she was.

I didn't want my New York fairytale about love and unexpected friendship to end so I wrote about. And now, thanks to one more uncanny coincidence. I have girly but that's another story high fives for friendship are front and center in this week's offering from Steve Hartman. Every week indigo horn goes for a walk and every week about a mile and 1/2 away. His friend Dave Scott does the same thing at the same time they walked toward each other when they meet. It's the weirdest thing that I thought then often they simply walk home.

The whole exercise their way of saying hi you realize people have telephone call. Your body that we should phone is great literally walk in the rain and the snow just to give me a high five and I wish everybody feel that feeling and you and Gabe are musicians of Nashville met at a concert in 2000 and became friends got together on kitchen but not as often as they would've liked. So they invented this bit of silliness seven years ago as a way of guaranteeing. They see each other at least once a week the high five Journal and he has a log of every encounter, including the one that was nearly their last. It was high five number 312 Gabe was hospitalized with a severe form of encephalitis caused his brain to swell and robbed him of his past.

I pretty much forgot my life. Your whole life yet, and that's when his buddy and now virtual stranger came to visit that will Gabe sound really weird but it is for me in the high five. Okay, when the moment happened. My body just did what it's been doing for years. Clout snap high-five that was in September. Since then, a lot of those memories have returned, but few more cherished than this silly tradition, which doesn't seem quite so silly to be more it's really special helps have a memory of something to have something that's that's consist of my life. That means is what Andy even wrote a song about the ritual on Monday and all its reminder but going out of your way for someone is still the straightest to an everlasting friendship, romance, you know, he's a many faceted performer with much to say about movies and more. Stanley Tucci is in conversation with our Holly Williams feeling I speak English.

I want you just the language we track down the very funny, very charming Stanley Tucci in London just before Christmas Tucci that seen dealing seen entire movies on team cult following the Tucci claims he doesn't understand it yet people are saying that no you have people who watch the film for you even if you're not in the starring role II guess that people really like the variety of the performances. That's what that's right Revel, I love from an ideal husband to Meryl Streep's.

Julia child's teacher to teach until to a deranged serial killer in the lovely Bones this thing over here and I want to get a second opinion, my dear, look around that one. Tucci and Oscar nomination and now supernova in which he and Colin Firth play a middle-aged gay couple to no matter what happens I did not want to lose control of my life. Tucci's character is suffering from early onset dementia I'm losing control interesting is that the sexuality of the two main part is not a universal love story. People are starting to come around those in the loves just love if you had one wish in the world.

I wish this holiday would none Tucci helped get the film made, including sending the script to his friend: fifth, having played a number of gay characters you know you you you want to do it so that it's used with any character you just want to be truthful to you. Ted has been criticism from some quarters saying that payroll should be applied by want to make. I have difficulty with the I think that acting is all about not being yourself. If we were to use that as it is a template, then we would only ever player ourselves.

I think what we need to do.

We need to give more Gaia actors opportunities people who are gay. I've only recently in the last few years really have been able to say I'm gay and an actor and I can play straight roles and they always had to hide their sexuality so that they could play the leading man or the leading woman. Tucci was born in a suburb north of New York City to an Italian-American family. He started his career on the stage but was hungry for roles in film and television didn't want he told us with the pots playing violent mafioso's normally offered to Italian-American act is I didn't want play the personal interesting their brilliant movies made about the Mafia, but you can't think how often do they come most of them are just cheap ripoffs of the of the brilliant in frustration. He says he cowrote, directed and starred in big nights very different type of story about Italian-American customer asked for make it make the pasta make it make it make to immigrant brothers struggling to survive in the New Jersey restaurant business in the 1950s. The film also stage some of Tucci's family recipes. The film helped get Tucci noticed and was also just the beginning of his very public abstention with food. I grew up in a family. The great importance on food and it was everything was just about the only thing we talked about Tucci has authored two cookbooks as a food memoir on the way and recently found a series on CNN about Italian food in easily how good out of 10 with certain dishes. 11. With a lot of stuff. I'm okay okay maybe five at 60 Tucci seems to be savoring his success experienced horrendous loss. His wife Kate, the mother of day three children succumbed to cancer at the age of 47.

You never stop grieving never stop and it's still it's still hard after 11 years, so it will always be but you can't let it. She would never want any of us to sort of to wallow in in that grief and let it take over our lives. She would never want that she wasn't in recent years he's found love again with Felicity Blunt, a British literary agent is also the sister of Emily Blunt Tucci's costar in the devil wears Prada and he's very British wife and their two young children. How this quintessential new yoga ended up leaving here in London when he's enjoying yet another moment he posted an Instagram video of himself mixing in agronomy for his wife during lockdown, which quickly went viral, followed by more cocktails. Gonorrhea use.

Why do so many people want to what she mixing cocktails. I have no idea. Honestly, I don't. I don't why do you why do you think tell me I don't want to be an appropriate rose. A lot of sexual comments.

I was very flattered.

It was great.

I mean you're incredibly flattered when people are just going over Imo Rocca thanks for listening and please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning with Gary this week.

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