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Learn more at edwardjones.com. Good morning. I'm Jane Pauley, and this is a special edition of Sunday Morning. It's the food issue. Our annual look ahead to Thanksgiving. A celebration of food, glorious food.

Thankfully this year, vaccines will allow most of us to gather around the table again. And given our growing taste for a greener diet, some of those beloved Thanksgiving side dishes are suddenly taking center stage. Leading Ben Tracy to ask, where's the beef? Meat is not necessarily what's for dinner. Americans are now increasingly trading beef for vegetables, and a new crop of online foodies is cooking up what's known as a plant-based diet. You hear the word vegan or plant-based and people just like, oh, I don't eat that kind of food.

I'm like, you ain't never ate a potato. Later on Sunday morning, a hearty serving of veggies. A new movie takes on a Thanksgiving staple, the family drama that can unfold around the holiday table. Tracy Smith is talking turkey with the all-star cast. For most of us, it just wouldn't be Thanksgiving without a little family drama. Coming up, here we go.

And a new movie serves it all up. A family dinner, with this family. Once upon a time, a cafeteria called the Automat seemed like the face of the future.

Mo Rocca takes us back. There's a reason the Automat is celebrated in song. It was the crème de la crème of cafeterias. We could just see something and say, oh, I think that pie looks fabulous.

And you just go and pick out a pie. A slice of the past, ahead on Sunday morning. It's a top-rated song, a dance, and just about everywhere. Lee Cowan has the tale behind the tune. Some call it the Applebee's song, but it wasn't written as a jingle.

It was a heartfelt country lyric. That's exactly who we are. We're very simple. That's fancy for us. The man behind fancy luck who whetted our appetite for more. Ahead on Sunday morning. It's a little early for happy hour, but the drinks California will tell us about might bring a smile to your face.

Cheers. Blame it on the alcohol was a hit for T-Pain, the Grammy-winning singer. So perhaps it's no surprise he knows how to mix some unusual cocktails. If you can make a drink with ice cream, I encourage it. Like a grown-up milkshake. It's a great way to make ice cream.

I encourage it. Like a grown-up milkshake. It is a grown-up milkshake. Later on Sunday morning, happy hour. Plus, Luke Burbank, all dressed up.

Jonathan Vigliati explains why all bottled water isn't the same. Coffee with Jim Axelrod and more. It's time for us to eat, drink, and be merry.

And we'll be back after this. The Thanksgiving turkey is as American as well apple pie. But Ben Tracy reports that a growing number of us are passing on the meat and saying please pass the vegetables. Did you ever think you'd be making jackfruit tacos for your lunch?

Absolutely not. Four years ago I didn't think I would have been vegan. Who knew? If you were looking for someone to spread the gospel of plant-based eating, ain't that something how life can change?

Tabitha Brown would have been an unlikely messenger. What was the kind of food that you grew up on? Honey, I grew up on everything.

I never from North Carolina. I done ate a little bit of things I should not have eaten. A lot of fried food, a lot of pork and beef, chicken of course. So what did you think of vegans? I honestly thought that's for white people, particularly white women who do yoga and maybe they're in a cult. Honey, that's what Tab thought. It's just a way of thinking.

Tabitha Brown now believes giving up all animal products and going vegan herself is what finally ended her bouts of chronic pain and fatigue. Hello there. But she never could have imagined what would also happen. And boy did things happen.

I could have never dreamt this or thought of this. Let's make some. She took her daughter's advice and started posting videos on TikTok. Ooh baby. A healthy mix of what to eat. I'm about to make carrot bacon. Seasoned with a dash of how to live.

Even if you can't have a good one, don't you dare go messing up nobody else's hand. The videos have racked up millions of views. She now has a best-selling book, Feeding the Soul, and several corporate partnerships. My goal is not to judge anyone or force my lifestyle on anyone.

My goal is simply to share what it did for me and representation matters, right? So now when people think of vegan, they also think of a black woman with afro. OK, just 5% of US households are vegan or vegetarian.

But these days there are plenty you might call plant curious. Many omnivores are now swapping out some meat for vegetables. In a diet often called plant-based.

That's really good. Or even it doesn't taste like fruit at all. Flexitarian. Plant-based eating is a huge trend. Marie Mouldy is a food trends analyst at Date Essential. She says about 25% of Americans now eat a flexitarian diet, and that plant-based is one of the fastest growing terms on restaurant menus, up nearly 3000% in just the past four years. A lot of that is thanks to plant-based meat alternatives. Beyond and Impossible Burgers have proven it's possible to make plants taste like meat.

Innovation now spreading throughout the supermarket. Name any animal protein or animal product and now there's a plant-based alternative. 71% of consumers have tried a plant-based meat and more than half say they're willing to pay more for it. There really are two major reasons why people are turning to plant-based foods. The first is health and the second reason, and this is a major one, is that plant-based eating is thought to be better for our planet and better for the environment. Global food production produces a third of all human-caused greenhouse gas emissions contributing to climate change, and raising animals for food, especially cows, accounts for nearly twice as much planet warming emissions as plant-based foods. No one wants to be told what not to do.

They want to be given a solution. Ross Mackay is the co-founder and CEO of Daring Foods, a company creating plant-based chicken products headquartered in California, far from Mackay's native Scotland. They kicked me out when I stopped eating scotch beef. I gave up eating red meat, but I still eat a ton of chicken.

Yeah. Are you trying to convert people from real chicken to this? Our mission is of course to rethink chicken from the food system. How do we do that? We go after the chicken lover.

It's to go after you. The average American eats about 100 pounds of chicken every year. That's eight billion chickens, mostly raised in large factory farms. Daring's chicken product is made from soy protein. This sounds ridiculous to say, but tastes like chicken. And designed to replicate the texture of the real thing. That really does have the same texture and taste as chicken.

This is almost like skin. Daring launched its first product into the already crowded alternative chicken market less than two years ago. It's now in more than 6,000 retail stores. So what is the chicken product you feel like you need to come up with to really disrupt this market? The chicken cutlet is very much the holy grail of chicken. From an innovation perspective, it's the toughest to go after, but we're at the first innings of this.

We barely just getting started. But Ron Neusbacher wonders, what if we just simply enjoyed eating our vegetables? People want real food. Then real food should just be real food and not pretend to be something that it's not.

He's the founder of Shook, a chain of Israeli street food restaurants in Washington, DC, where the food, including their famous Shook burger is proudly plant forward. The objective is to reconnecting people with the plant and eating more vegetables and grains and seeds. Then why go through all this effort to hide it as something different? Our philosophy is do exactly the opposite is to actually demonstrate to people experientially that the cauliflower can taste amazing. Neusbacher says protecting the planet for future generations is his motivation to put plants at the center of our plates. I have two young kids and unlike Elon Musk, I don't want my kids or my future grandkids growing up on Mars because we destroyed this planet. There's a misconception that the solution to climate change is buying a Tesla.

The solutions to climate change starts with reducing the amount of meat that we eat and eating more vegetables. Serena Altschul has the story of a website delivering on two fronts, food from near and far and salvation for struggling restaurants hurt by the pandemic. Venieros is one of the oldest bakeries in New York City, first opening its doors in 1894. But when the pandemic hit last year, owner Robert Cerilli had to find a new recipe for success. Gold Belly has saved us, I would say, because I'm going to plan on doubling my orders now. Isn't that amazing? Double your orders because of Gold Belly.

Exactly. Gold Belly takes regional cuisine national. Through its website, customers can order from anywhere in the country. Food is packed on site at restaurants and shipped directly to doorsteps. Our mission at the end of the day is to bring people comfort through food, whatever they dream of, wherever they are. Joe Ariel is Gold Belly's CEO and founder.

What will I see on the website? The most iconic American foods. Key lime pie from the Florida Keys, San Francisco sourdough, and then there's the top chefs.

Everybody from Daniel Boulud to Danny Myers restaurants. Everything can be shipped. You just figure out the science behind how it's going to be broken down. Is it a kit? Is it something that's fully prepared?

Is it something that needs to be frozen and reheated? Philly cheese steaks, for example, like these from Pat's King of Steaks, are assembled, frozen, and then shipped overnight. Some of the things can be quite expensive. We're not the cheapest. We're focused on the most magical food experiences, the things that people dream of. Ariel founded the company in 2013, but things really began to heat up during the pandemic. Since March 2020, the number of restaurants shipping with Gold Belly jumped from a few hundred to nearly 1,000.

We're very passionate about Gold Belly. They were a game changer during the pandemic. We were able to hire people when everybody else was laying people off. Looking back, was it one of your best years?

Yeah, it really was. Brothers Christopher and Dominic Bartolini own Bartolini's outside of Chicago. Gold Belly helped them cook up a way to ship their signature pizza and meatballs. Why one pepperoni? That way the pepperoni's underneath the cheese. It's Chicago style, not New York style. Of course, Gold Belly hasn't been the only delivery service restaurants relied on during the pandemic. But at a time when restaurant owners and goers failed to do so, and goers faced numerous obstacles, Gold Belly ensures geography is not one of them. That's part of our magic.

Any food, anywhere, anytime. There's water, and then there's water. Jonathan Vigliati catches up with a man who can tell the difference. There's so many amazing different varieties of water. Before you write off what's happening inside this swanky West Hollywood hotel as So LA, that's a natural carbonated water. There's something you should know about Martin Risa. His palette is considered so extraordinary.

The US government gave the German native the rare so-called Einstein visa to share his skill with Americans. Water without flavor does not exist, in my opinion. Every water has a taste profile, Risa is America's first certified water Somalia and one of around only 250 in the world. Like wine Somalia's Risa studies the unique, albeit subtle flavors of bottled water. Water from the future islands tastes differently than a water harvested in the Black Forest in Germany. And water is the universal solvent.

It will leach out different minerals created by nature. So this minerality is actually the taste. So you're tasting the landscape?

Yes. Risa's sixth sense for filtered spring water has made him the butt of jokes at late night talk show tables. It's water.

Great. I actually like people who are saying this is crazy and this is spore was because there's a chance for me to touch them on a different level to say, wait a minute, give me the chance to explain that water is not just water. Risa designs water tasting menus for restaurants, which feature familiar and lesser known brands that he pairs with seasonal foods. The refreshments of the food complexity suddenly like pops in your mouth, like Fiji water with a Thanksgiving turkey. Because a lot of people always say like, but Martin Fiji water really it's so accessible you can find it everywhere. I think it's very unique due to the very interesting mineral composition or a sparkling spring water from Idaho with a holiday ham.

So I think some combination would be fun to cut through the richness. Risa's water recommendations range in price from a few dollars to a few hundred like this bottle of glacier water. The only bottles he refuses to touch are those labeled as purified or distilled. These brands are actually nothing else than highly processed filter tap water for me as a summer gay. Why should I drink that?

That's created in a lab. I don't care about that. I won't taste nature. Then we had three ways and it's that thirst for nature that has some spending 75 bucks to attend Risa's water tastings. Did you ask anybody, hey, you want to come to a water tasting with me?

Yeah, I did. And they kind of looked at me like, uh, we'll drink our water at home. I was like, all right, suit yourself, suit yourself. Not lost on anyone is the privilege of it all. Globally one in four people does not have access to safe drinking water. So let's face the bigger picture here. It's not for me just drinking bottled water and be fancy in a nice restaurant in Beverly Hills. I want to bring awareness to water. Let's rethink and let's be thankful that we have clean and safe drinking water on a daily basis accessible to us. So it's not just about tastes. It's about opening people's eyes.

Yes, absolutely. Hi, podcast peeps. It's me, Drew Barrymore.

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And maybe you do too. From the newest interior design trend, Barbie Corps, to the right and wrong way to wash your armpits. Also, we're going to get into things that you just kind of won't believe and we're not able to do in daytime television, so watch out. Listen to Drew's News wherever you get your podcasts.

It's your good news on the go. We sent our Jim Axelrod in search of the perfect cup of coffee and he found it in the back of a New York City bodega. In the shadow of the Manhattan Bridge in Brooklyn, Khalid Sharafi is restocking his supply of Colombian beans for the coffee bar inside the grocery store he runs with his cousin Omar Hamed.

One black, one cream sugar. You guys have lots of people coming in here, right? To the coffee bar right up at the front? Yeah. And they're drinking Colombian, right?

Yeah. Fat coffee. But when it comes to filling their own cups, forget the coffee bar. No, we have a secret place. A secret place? Speakeasy. A coffee speakeasy.

Yeah. And in their back room coffee speakeasy, where they brew it old school, you can forget the Colombian beans as well. What do you drink in the back room? You have any coffee? Omar in Khalid are from Yemen, which is also home, they say, to the world's best coffee. Yeah, Yemen coffee is the grandfather of all coffees. How old is the tradition of coffee drinking in Yemen? So the coffee start in the middle of 14th century.

Ibrahim Al-Haspani is an eighth generation Yemeni coffee merchant. Low acid. Low acid. So it's it's not going to bother your stomach. There's a half after taste. And there's a natural sweetness? Yes.

Do you think that is because of the soil or the sun or the kind of water? All of this, it makes them makes the Yemeni coffee special. He estimates there are as many as 5,000 Yemeni owned bodegas in New York City. Just about everyone with a back room where they keep the good stuff. So if I walked into their bodega and said, can I get a cup of Yemeni coffee? What would they say? To sell Yemeni coffee?

No, they said we don't have. But if you're friends with them, maybe they're going to give from the back. Take the bodega Monif Ziyad runs in East Harlem. You order your coffee? Where? Sure enough, she wants black ice coffee. This is for you, right? It's Colombian up front.

But in the back? This is all Yemeni coffee. Ziyad keeps half a dozen different varieties in his back room, brought by friends and family visiting from Yemen. Some more coarsely ground, others not as dark. One so mellow it doesn't need milk, another so strong it'll knock your socks off. Like, you know, instead of to do double shot from Starbucks or from Dunkin Donuts, you just use one shot from this. No sugar, no milk. There's no sugar, no milk. Yeah, just black, just black. So if the Yemeni coffee is top shelf. Oh, it's different. That's off the charts.

Yeah. Why not sell it up front? A civil war, drought and spiking shipping costs have sent Yemeni coffee prices soaring, particularly problematic for Ahaspani, one of the few to try taking it from the back room to the front counter, opening up Kawa House, a chain of Yemeni coffee shops. What's it cost for you to bring in a shipment of Yemeni coffee beans? My shipment cost me around four hundred thousand dollars. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Your last shipment of Yemeni coffee cost you four hundred thousand dollars?

Yes. If you were to get the same shipment, same size of Colombian beans, what would that cost you? Sixty thousand. I don't want sixty thousand. Which is why, for the most part, Yemeni coffee is not for the poor and go crowd.

All right, three fifty. And so for now, just about every Yemeni selling coffee will keep stocking the Colombian up front to make a better living and continue to drink the good stuff in the back to make a better life. It's legit. Isn't that daily basis coffee? For now. But for you, is it?

Yes. It's a small Mexican restaurant in a small California city, but Lily Luciano tells us Lily Luciano tells us its legacy can be found across the country and around the world. Along old Route 66 in San Bernardino, California, sits one extraordinary family kitchen. I remember it almost as an extension of my grandmother's kitchen or my grandmother's house. This is it right here.

This is exactly how it's been done here since 1937. Mike Montano is the co-owner of Meet La Cafe, opened by his grandmother, Doña Lucia Rodriguez, in 1937. It's where I would see her most frequently. It's where I saw family most frequently. And to me, it was not a restaurant.

It was not a business. It was it was just part of what made my family who they were. After immigrating from her native Mexico in 1928, Rodriguez opened Meet La Cafe to quite literally feed her family and her growing neighborhood.

It was like during the Depression. So she knew what it was like to be hungry. And she told my mother the reason that she was opening up the restaurant is because she didn't want any of her family members to go hungry.

Patiokendo is also one of her grandkids and the general manager. What is this place like now? Who comes in here?

It's like generational customers, sons and daughters of people that used to come here. We come like me every other Sunday. We come down after we get our church. What's the tradition without having menulo on Sundays?

Hangover. Enter through these old doors and the lines that divide us disappear almost as fast as their famous chile redino on a hot plate. State senators, congressmen, everyone comes here. A place to be seen. It's a place to eat. And Montano says one particular customer in the 1950s got more than just the tacos to go. The legend as I know it, across the street was a burger stand called Bell's Burgers. And the owner, Glen Bell, saw that my grandparents had a line to purchase tacos.

At the time, I think they were 25 cents each. And he wanted to understand this food item and why people liked it so much and why it was so popular. My grandparents kind of understood what he was doing and they wanted to help him.

And so Glen Bell, armed with Doña Lucia's beloved hard shell taco recipe, launched Taco Bell. What does the family say about that? Everybody's been fairly philosophical. I don't want people to feel like they weren't successful or that they were taken advantage of or anything like that. The generosity rippled beyond the treasures of the kitchen. Through the years, meatless served as a gathering spot for community organizing, even earning its place in the history of the fight for civil rights. One of the most important stories that I know about was the meeting of different community organizations that helped to desegregate public swimming pools in San Bernardino. There were days of the week that Mexican kids, kids of Mexican descent, could not swim in the local swimming pools.

Those meetings led to a court case and decision which desegregated all California parks and pools, a precursor for Brown vs. Board of Ed. That was the importance that they placed on this restaurant was that it was not just a place to serve food, but it was a place for people to meet, to talk, to share ideas, and to move our community forward. What's going on here? This is our own ranchero chili verde sauce that we make here. Despite meatless reputation for generosity, there is one thing they won't share. And this is the secret one that goes on the tacos or any of our other dishes. The recipe for their taco sauce. Our most secret recipe, there are three people right now who can make it, including myself.

And we try not to ride in a car together. For everything else, the door stays open. The tortillas are served fresh and the welcome warm as ever. It's always been about having the same spirit that my grandmother instilled in this place in 1937.

We'll come to my home, share a meal, and we'll see you next time. What happens to sad, misshapen fruits and vegetables? They get delivered, as Serena Altril explains. Just south of San Francisco, in the shadow of the Santa Cruz mountains, harvesting is underway at Lakeside Organic Gardens. We grow over 42 different commodities.

Juan Gonzalez is the farm's operations manager. Cauliflower, broccoli, rutabagas, turnips, parsnips. You name it, we probably grow it. Yet about 20 percent of what's grown here will never make it to grocery store shelves.

As humans, we like pretty things. So when something's not cosmetically appealing, it gets left behind in the field. That's because most stores won't sell produce with noticeable imperfections. I visited a handful of farms and realized how much waste happened at the farm level. Perfectly fine-looking apples being thrown away just because they were too small or, you know, they had like slight discoloration. Those misfit apples served as seeds for Misfits Market, a delivery service bringing previously unwanted produce, along with pantry items, directly to your doorstep.

Abhi Ramesh is the company's CEO and founder. What's the difference between ugly produce and rotten produce? A misfit piece of produce could be too small, could be too large. It could be some other aesthetic difference.

You know, it's shaped a little bit funky. It could be surplus or excess. So a lot of times farms will have an overabundance of a certain piece of produce. But not rotten.

Definitely not spoiled or close to spoiled or anything like that. To date, Misfits Market has rescued more than 225 million pounds of produce and they aren't alone. A handful of other companies like Imperfect Foods have sprouted up as well. And it has more than just customers seeing green.

Just ask Juan Gonzalez. Now that Misfits is helping the farmer get more food on people's table, production's up, our yield is up, everything's just a win-win. Luke Burbank's got a story that gives new meaning to the expression, dressed for success. Amazing place, Hidden Valley. If you turned on the TV in the 1980s or 90s, there was one place where the hills were always green and life seemed a little simpler. Here in Hidden Valley, freshness is a way of life.

Ah, yes. Hidden Valley Ranch, America's first and most popular ranch salad dressing. So squeeze on the Hidden Valley Ranch. And it turns out Hidden Valley Ranch was an actual place, albeit a very different looking one from the bottles, in the mountains outside of Santa Barbara.

Hidden Valley was chaparral. It was wild California. This is the ranch. Alan Barker remembers the ranch and its owner, Steve Henson, well.

Steve had an artistic truth in the sense that he told people what they wanted to hear. A fast-talking plumber who made it big in Alaska, Henson had a bigger dream of owning a ranch which he knew he would call Hidden Valley. There was a bear rug in front of a fireplace. He had, I don't know how many tales about how he had killed this bear in Alaska.

The truth of the matter was he found the bear rug at the county dump. As a teen, Barker lived with the Henson family and worked at the so-called ranch. I wouldn't call it a ranch in reality. There were no animals, there were no crops, you know, it was a motel in the mountains. A motel that didn't have all that many customers, but what it did have was Steve Henson's homemade salad dressing, which he called ranch. He was trying to make a low-calorie substitute for blue cheese. From my memory, it was buttermilk, miracle whip, some spices, and I think some chopped up shallots. And then the ingredient that was kept secret, pure MSG. Hidden Valley ultimately failed as a motel, but exploded as a mail-order, mix-your-own salad dressing business, which the Henson's sold to Clorox in 1972. When you're tasting prototypes of ranch, there is a threshold.

After about six, seven, eight prototypes, you really have to kind of take a break. There's our pan. Laurie Welborn, a Brit who never even tried the stuff until adulthood, is in charge of how it all tastes.

He's the head of R&D for HVR, as it's called by people in the know. It is a dip, and it is a dressing. This is the thing, it's versatile.

It's also something you can cook with. We've even seen our superfans bathing in Hidden Valley Ranch at times. These days, over on TikTok, ranch dressing is less of a salad dressing and more of a personality type. In fact, Welborn claims that ranch now outsells ketchup in America.

Quite the accomplishment for a salad dressing, invented by a plumber, at a failed motel with a made-up name. Cocktails, anyone? We join Kelef Asane at the bar. I'm sitting at a bar, and T-Pain is my bar-tender.

You got it, see? He made us drinks, we drank them. We drank them. Drinks, drinks, drunk, drunk.

There it is. The Grammy-winning performer T-Pain has made big hits, like Bartender, and Blame It on the Alcohol. But he's best known for helping to popularize a vocal processing technology called Auto-Tune. It turned into a full genre of music. You couldn't turn on a radio station without hearing a T-Pain song.

It's everywhere, in cartoons, commercials, it's everywhere. Some people hated the effect, but for T-Pain, who was born Fahim Rashid Najm in northern Florida, Auto-Tune meant freedom. I've always wanted to sing from the beginning, but in Tallahassee you were seen as soft or you were seen as like not a man. Oh, won't you stay with me.

As fans of the celebrity singing competition The Masked Singer already know, T-Pain, even dressed as a fuzzy cyclops, can actually sing. Were you obsessed with music as a kid? I was obsessed with the idea that music made my dad happy. One day an army commercial came on and I harmonized with it and he was like, how'd you know how to do that?

And ever since I saw his eyes light up from that, that's all I've been doing is just trying to find new ways to impress my dad. His latest effort is a book about cocktails. I know when I'm the most happy, when I'm drinking, let's do that. Let's just do a drink book. How does a book release compare to an album release? It is different.

It is so different. I remember going to Barnes and Noble as a kid and just never thinking that I'm going to have a book in here one day. It's not a realistic dream of mine, but you know, book signings, like I never do like album signings. You mentioned that when you're drinking, you don't like listening to hip hop or R&B.

I don't. I'd rather know lyrics. So you want people to open up this T-Pain book, maybe turn off the T-Pain music, put on some smooth piano music or something, enjoy one of your cocktails.

Oh, jazz is the best with this entire book. The book, written with mixologist Maxwell Britton, contains recipes that are complicated. So there's a drink in here called Soul on Fire, where you have to make cinnamon syrup, which is a 48 hour long process that requires routine stirring.

I mean, this is a big project. Yeah, you gotta really want these drinks. What are you going to make me? I'm going to make you a five o'clock.

It's named after one of T-Pain's hit singles. This involves ice cream. Ice cream? Are you a fan of beer? I'm a big fan of beer. I'll be honest with you, I usually consume beer and ice cream separately.

Nope, we're going to do it all together. Add to the beer and ice cream some bourbon and a cinnamon schnapps called Goldschlager. This looks like a science experiment. It kind of is, man.

And you'll have a five o'clock, the way T-Pain likes it. This whole drink is just an excuse to eat ice cream. Like a grown-up milkshake. It is a grown-up milkshake. The recipe calls for toppings, at least according to his book. You're supposed to top this off with whipped cream.

Yeah. I freaking hate whipped cream. What? I'll take a little bit of whipped cream.

You know what, I will give you a little bit of whipped cream. Don't go crazy. Too late. There we go. There we go. All right. I have some Goldschlager here for you. Just a little flick.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Surprisingly, it's kind of a brown sugar thing. The roastiness of the stout, it's mixing with some of the cinnamon flavor from the Goldschlager. Absolutely. Get the richness from the ice cream. Cheers. Beer and ice cream, together at last. Together at last. Thank you for listening.

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