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“Sunday Morning” with guest host Mo Rocca. David martin examines why Russia’s tank war has stalled, while Lee Cowan looks at the plight of millions of Ukrainian refugees. Plus: Tracy Smith sits down with actress Sandra Bullock and Erin Moriarty talks with former college classmates of Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson.

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Learn Jean Paul Wiesel today maraca and this is Sunday morning this past week negotiations to end the fighting in Ukraine seem to offer a glimmer of hope. The fighting rages on some 3 million Ukrainians have fled the country, the vast majority about 2 million travel to Poland, roughly the entire population of that nation's capital Warsaw Lee Cowan reports on the looming humanitarian crisis playing out in the shadow of war, the invasion of Ukraine is raised a lot of questions about the strength of war machine. No question about just how much is its goal. This is certainly the false. This last migration from war since the second world war growing human toll of the refugee crisis sweeping across Europe on Sunday morning. She's one of the most popular actors of our time. Tracy Smith this morning. Talks with Sandra Bullock about the past and her surprising plans for the future. Her share of what she's learned to look out for the love that they scale of 1 to 10, how is life now.

It's my life. So it's about a 9.2 that's very specific point because the other shoe will drop it will call for help get to the airport and get out of here I am driving Sandra Bullock on timing coming up on Sunday morning and I'll catch up with three entertainment legends tell us the story behind a most unique and very memorable Broadway musical each started with the painting that it ended up a Broadway classic was by no means preordained red red red red red red red is one of the producers. At one point actually held the door. He finally got up, went to the door. The people were walking out of a just held it open for people as it squeaked every time somebody bought me thinking in James Pine top Sunday in the park later on Sunday morning and much more.

Besides David Pogue looks at the ups and downs of gasoline prices. Susan Spencer will consider the covert pandemics toll on our mental health.

Aaron Moriarty introduces us to Catania Brown Jackson, the woman likely to make history at the Supreme Court, John Dickerson takes note of a classical pianist who personifies the maximum practice makes perfect and more. It's the first Sunday of spring March 20, 2022 and will be back after this. Russia is one of the largest, most powerful militaries in the world but as national security correspondent David Martin reports the war in Ukraine has revealed some serious shortcomings scolding sputtering spectacle.

The Russian military is making of itself in Ukraine came as a revelation to Gen. Frank McKenzie and almost certainly do Vladimir Putin as well. I am surprised that the problems are having should be very concerning to Russian leadership as commander of US forces in the Middle East. McKenzie has spent the last three years operating in close proximity to the Russians in Syria knows their history is one of the world's great tank arm, all of which has been belied by the first three weeks of war. They will maneuver. There are effectively tremendous history of that actually the Russian military armored operations.

The end of the second world war.

There was good as that is anybody else to these guys don't seem to have remembered that should hedgerow I would not be happy if that's the way US forces were performing. We have noncommissioned officers that are the backbone of the joint force there.

The people that actually make sure things are done the continuing actions were taken that you did again that your tongue start run out of fuel.

McKenzie, himself a tank commander as a young officer watched in disbelief as an entire armored column advancing on key literally ran out of gas. If you drive and operate a main battle tank is a commander and I have been you are thinking all the time about fueling this if you're not thinking about fueling based on your behind and they appear to not taken as basic logistical considerations and and and trying as I move forward. Surprises seem to be sticking to the roads that say that's a lack of trying. You gotta get off the roads to maneuver the roads or death traps particular for armored vehicles particular when you're finding people that have good antitank systems and the Ukrainians do have good and I take systems on Wednesday, Pres. Bodden promise the US will send 9000 more antitank weapons United States and our allies and partners are fully committed to surging weapons of assistance to more will be coming including the shoulder fired javelin dives down on the top of the tank where the armor is finished using everything from the high end javelin to the workaday rocket propelled grenade launcher Ukrainians have destroyed several hundred Russian vehicles. How much of this is due to Russian incompetence, as opposed to Ukrainian skill. That's a great question and I think were going have to see how this progresses a little further to be able to finally answer that question, I would tell you this though the Ukrainians have shown great bravery in defending their country is less clear to me how aggressive and motivated Russian forces are down the individual soldier level tunes that are actually driving on the roads meeting the Ukrainian resistance foil versus plan to take the Key with a lightning strike in the opening days of the war, their vaunted tank arm installed. The Russians have reverted to siege tactics pounding cities and their residence with rockets and our children.

They are expected to regroup and try again is conceivable to you that Russia could just flat out fail to take Eve, I would be surprised if that outcome happened taking care of is very important to them. So I predict I'll try very hard to take it. I think there could be a horrific price. Actually, to be played in the civilian population as they move because the city as Russia's invasion enters its fourth week, millions of Ukrainians have been forced to flee their homes, Lee Cowan take stock of the humanitarian toll of war.

Western borders of Ukraine become the sea revolving 3 million people fled Ukraine 7% of the countries higher population and her cats along with her two young spent 22 train from their home in southern Crane to the Polish town. When they arrived was anyway replaced with compact but their journey was just beginning soon boarding the bus going deeper into Poland really catch another bus germ 11-year-old on a six-year-old Rena have been spared the grim details are just trying to protect children from all of that and she doesn't give them all nations. She has UNICEF estimates that at least 1 million of the refugees are children. The rest are women and the elderly human catastrophe on a scale that Europe hasn't seen since World War II don't believe that this will be over quickly. David Miliband is the president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee as bad as as this is over 3 million people so far, how bad you think it might get how much we hope for the best. We should plan for the West and planning for the worst means figures of 507 or in some estimates 10 million people leaving the country. Those kinds of dire predictions already triggered and never before use directive that allows refugees to stay and work in EU countries for up to three years. The approach walls let people in. First, do the paperwork. Second, that's a very significant reaction and it speaks to the scale of the crisis events is the exit out of Ukraine is only part of the problem we have to remember that for every person who makes it out of Ukraine that are 10 still inside Ukraine Russia school indifference to providing humanitarian corridors is left and virtually cut all those who can lead carry with them baggage, including those covering the conflict like award-winning photojournalist Peter Turnley brought back these images this past week I ran into a journalist and he asked me what I had experienced a sense of guilt that I felt that I could walk away from the situation and people that I had seen could not enter literally without warning just began to stop he captured in an instant. What words never cooked there's one emotion that overwhelm them all.

He says it was a sense of loss. This image of a man named Vitali saying goodbye to his family and keep pumps and still tracks for a long long time and he and his wife and daughter just stared at each other just left. It was like it was like breath had just just come out of the blue, but you can get it back this incredible sense of pain for this gentleman of the collie that they just had lost contact with his wife and child and destiny for all three of them was completely unknown if Vladimir Putin's goal was in part to create a refugee crisis to destabilize Western democracies politically. So far he's fail when he has succeeded in doing. However, is testing the limits of human cruelty this moment feels very dark and as so many people have been forced to leave the country. One has a sense as well that a lot of light illumination has been taken away from their hearts the fighting Ukraine has fueled a crisis that America's gas stations. David Pogue now on pain at the pump every morning.

Manager George Ramos updates the prices at his Harlem gas station.

Lately he's been using bigger numbers 197 had a really angry driver you last week average American gas prices hit a record high for 33 a gallon and much higher in some places and because it now cost more to transport anything. Everything costs more. So why are gas prices spiking Scott to be Russia right now. The problem with energy prices is not just Russia Jason portal is the director of the Center on global energy policy at Columbia University and by the way, an electric bike fan. He says that it all started with the pandemic shut down half the global economy to keep people at home and keep us safe and so prices collapsed and you have incentive to stop drilling and lay down your rigs okay so demand for oil fell in and the supply fell and then when the pandemic began to ease up people have more money to spend and a lot of them are spending on pent-up demand for travel M traveled and while people really want to do that in the oil industry is trying to wrap production back up like supply chains with cars and supply chains with lots of other parts of our economy, their bottlenecks and problems so the oil companies were trying to gear up again but then it Russia attacked Ukraine.

All of the world countries stopped buying Russian oil, much less Russian oil is getting out into the world and therefore there's less oil in the global bathtub of oil and that pushes prices up for that global oil price so the pandemic recovery was the first whammy in the Russia situation made it a double whammy too much demand, not nearly enough supply but we got only about 3% of our oil from Russia. So why does that war affect prices here.

Well, without the Russian oil countries that usually by Russian oil had to find other sources so less oil.

Overall, prices go up, including here. This is a prime lesson for economics 101.

Supply and demand really work. Patrick de Haan is the chief petroleum analyst for gas buddy the app that helps you find the cheapest gas near you. What about this notion that it's the president and his policies that are of full US president, the small cog in a big wheel of global demand and while a president can attempt to try and steer one wheel of an 18 wheeler market is still in predominate control over oil price you hear a lot of this over the oil companies are gouging looking at you know hundred 50,000 gas stations and mural time and watching the prices that they also Christ goal I can tell you that I'm very, very few if any instances, there is gouging. Nobody can say when gas prices will drop again but at least they're no longer climbing Jason Ward off says that covert shutdowns in China have lower demand oil prices, a fallen over 30% in the last week because of the resurgence of covered in China. The price of the pump is set by the price of oil in the price of oil set in a global market. In other words, we shouldn't yell at the guy pumping gas, but certainly not the fault gas or gas station manager George Ramos puts it to you just the last Domino longline now streaming based progress and doing crazy time returns once final point is we need people in the best way to protect people's final season Millstream exclusively on all my I want to tell you about our new shout to his knees and each episode, weekly, gastric and other quirky and inspiring and informative story because well, maybe you didn't new interior design Derby car to the right and wrong way to wash her also getting the things that you just kind of well probably not able to do in daytime television so watch out every you get your podcast on the line better than the first day of spring to spend a Sunday in the park with whomever.

Not long ago I asked three old friends. Maybe Patinkin, Bernadette peters and James Lapine to help us look back at a Broadway classic began with the painting. George Seurat's 1886 pointillist masterpiece, a Sunday on the ground shot was the inspiration for 19 force groundbreaking Broadway musical Sunday in the Park with George which start mainly Patinkin and Bernadette peters and was cowritten by James Lapine and the late Stephen Sondheim Seurat's finished work composed entirely of tiny painted dots hangs in the Art Institute of Chicago that this practice at New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art.

We visited a smaller study done by the artist. Two years earlier. The idea that this would be a study in and of itself is a great back in 1982. Lapine was a graphic designer with experience only in experimental theater who visited Sondheim, already a legend with a postcard image of the painting. We are sitting on the floor would probably enjoy just staring at it and then we started breaking it down. Seurat himself died at 31, having never sold to meet your work he's own life. Something of a blank canvas into that void, Lapine and Sondheim imagined an artist struggling mightily to create in the figure in the foreground as his mistress named else.a woman asking for more of Seurat that he can give now Lapine also directed the show has written a book putting it together about the making of the musical beginning with the concept. James came over to the house. He said that I noticed some pretentious but Steve and I sat down and we talked about making a work of art based on a work of art. I didn't think it was pretentious but I thought okay that sounds interesting. I think you thought was potential for the pretentious possibility before and after you said that's pretty. Next came the casting I saw this lovely woman to my left. Peters and pennies from heaven. The film I also thought that she just looked like she was from the 19th century Mandy I thought was terrific in the Avida commercial Patinkin had just won a Tony for his performance as a fiery revolutionary in a vita like anything great looks like yours Seurat commercial was once a great commercial.

The original off-Broadway cast also included future stars Brent Spiner Christine Sharansky and Kelsey grammar, but putting the show together was no walk in the park. Kelsey grammar yelled at you tell me about that yelled at me in front of the company. Apparently I had no styling giving notes was fairly blunt with people. At that point I really have my people skills together.

We were kinda kids putting on a show.

The pressure was even greater on Patinkin's part was still being written even as opening night approached my down at one point stormed down the street.

I was terrified and people were coming and I just said I don't know how to do this was just in the state of terror. Lapine called Patinkin's wife Catherine Brody for advice. She said just tell Mandy you love them and I just said to her you got the wrong but he found his way to tell me he loved me. It became one of the inner moments of my life, but Bernadette peters, who'd been appearing on New York's stages since the age of 10, never panicked for some specific great people at that the ship is going to go forward. You could just tell that based on your experience where people are so many other people talking that they would get this. I was so clear what I'm going to shout and I just felt secure stealing forecast for Sunday and the park was bleak. The shows on stage crew nicknamed it Sunday in the dark and board preview audiences were leaving in droves. One of the producers. At one point X he held the door. He finally got up, went to the door. The people were walking out of just held it out as it squeaked every time somebody walked out on the night critics were to see the show the same day. The final two songs were added. Lapine gathered the cast James before that stage and we all got in that semicircle and spoke to us in a kind of clear yet see-through code which was leaving this. You've done this you know this piece.

Please put away every doubt you have just forget about it was a kind of silent prayer in between his words. Was it like you are handing your baby over.

I have no recollection of the wonder of the book was discovering these things that I really didn't remember you the truth, and we went out there like 15 and we honored his show one the surprise and has become a classic Stephen Sondheim and James Lapine's ode to the making large confirmation hearings for tontine Brown Jackson Pres. Biden's choice to join the Supreme Court begin tomorrow. Erin Moriarty looks at the woman who could make history United States Supreme Court judge Conti Jackson name tontine Brown. Jackson maybe knew that many Americans but not these three women. I remember thinking oh my God what we saw so many years ago is really coming to pass.

Right now in this moment I can only hope that my life and career. My love this country and the Constitution will inspire future generations of Americans, Antoinette cochlea professor at Northeastern Law, Lisa Fairfax, a law professor at the University of Pennsylvania and Nina Simmons, a corporate lawyer that the federal court judge when they were all college freshmen at Harvard was very clear from the first time that we met her that the time to a special. I remember selling her when we were and I door you are going to be the first black woman on the US Supreme Court. Back then they called themselves the ladies inseparable roommates during college he went on to become classmates at Harvard Law. It was to make this together and help each other and Conti taught me that when one wins.

We all win. Jackson's writing and her analytical skills are interest bodies and editor on the prestigious Harvard Law Review letter friends say he set out for more than just academics since hilarious and that's something that people may not anticipate because they're so blinded by her intellectual brilliance that they not realize he also has another side to her she could dazzle with the story and everyone will be laughing at the end of or a song. She has an amazing voice. We've heard her saying that and we all know that if she had wanted to pursue that she would have been brilliant in that space but her true passion was always the law, she came to college knowing she wanted to be a lawyer to the lien rights wanted to be seated as I got that totally makes sense. The way she talks by the way she walks she grew up in Miami, Florida. The oldest child of two educators. Her father is also a lawyer. They were there for her.

They said, why not you.

You belong here. You are the one you worked hard, you're smart, you can do this. Jackson attended a predominantly white high school where she learned to think on her feet as a member of the debate team. She was one of the, if not the shining star on the team. She was a standout in every way. Stephen Rosenthal, who matter in seventh grade was a member of that team, and a close friend you described her as that some mobiles of oratory, which brings to mind agility to mobiles as all these gold medals around her neck that was awake. At times he was with debate trophies. She had more hardware than anybody else but the quality that her friends mentioned most is here have been nosy to listen and weigh all sides of an argument as skill.

They say that will serve her well it confirmation hearings that begin tomorrow times is the ultimate prepare and she's going to be prepared. She, like all successful women of color is used to facing questions about her credentials.

Of course he's had to have an armor we all have, I think most people walking through this world do, but especially black women.

Case in point after Jack Jackson's name was announced. So is contingent Brown Jackson Tucker Carlson on his Fox News program ignored her nearly 9 years on the federal bench and instead blundered about her scores on the LSAT. Let us know what can project Brown Jackson's LSAT score was now set the law school entrance exam actually laughed when I saw that because I said is this the best that you can do that man is clearly never met Brown Jackson, 51-year-old federal judge will likely be challenged about her past as a federal public defender and her work on the US sentencing commission if confirmed, shall be the second working mom on the high court she's married to surgeon Dr. Patrick Jackson and has two daughters. It's not just about the people who look like her who are getting inspiration from her. It's about all of us looking and realizing what it means for what's possible. A woman his hands just 5'1" tall boys, not down one more barrier.

It's so historic, because it's just another instance where we can say this is the America that we all want to be a part of the dream as possible.

The dream is possible. The arrival of yet another omicron variant has health officials on high alert. As we continue our look at what's become a pandemic roller coaster. Susan Spencer considers that other COBIT crisis I were mental health cocoa at home with her guinea pigs. Natasha Beltran seems like a happy 12-year-old since 2020. She has been struggling with grief beyond her years as a very funny guy has a lot of friends in his neighborhood and he likes to go movie theaters hiking to you a lot of good memories but on April 28, 2020. Her father, Julian Pea, just 50 years old died of cultivated in a Bronx, New York hospital then called and she said that it was really bad Maxine Beltran who is studying to be a nurse is Natasha's mother. They were writing out ventilators and they said we have to remove and remove. How did you tell her to tell her. Had you been able to go to the hospital in CM will so you never get to say goodbye and not being able to say goodbye haunts them both. I thought my thought that my dad died, did yeah if he would talk to be there for he was he would probably be a lot that's a terrible thing to try to live with. I know it wasn't your fault. When a 10-year-old loses her father and can even go to the hospital to say goodbye how do you undo that well is not a matter of undoing is how do we help children cope with the situation just looked at what was going on. Psychologist Arthur C Evans Junior, who heads up the American psychological Association says unresolved grief is just one piece of the pandemics widespread mental health fallout were seeing the number of children going to emergency departments and psychiatric distress going up we see a number of people who are dying because of overdose over hundred thousand people last year receiving the number of people who are experiencing anxiety and depression, four times the rate 44 times what was for the pandemic in a country divided on everything. Roughly 9/10 Americans agree the US is in the grips of a full-blown mental health crisis and even now with masks coming off would you expect the mental health situation, to also get a little bit better as the virus receipts know it's going to be with us because what we know from research is that when people express these kinds of problems people after 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina that we expect to see people experiencing problems for at least another 7 to 10 years out so you basically talking about a second pandemic we are because if you look at the numbers of people that are affected is clearly at the skill of the pandemic. One horrific number tells Natasha Beltran's story more than 140,000 children have lost a parent or caregiver to cove it and getting help for these kids can be almost impossible to find a children bear that is covered under your insurance and with man. You couldn't find anybody and mom. I have heard that I don't have any health or somebody that can tip in most parts of the country. Kids are seeing significant delays in getting the help that they need not just weeks, but often months and you know that would be unacceptable if our kids had cancer. For example, we were told that they can't see a physician for four months. California may be about to change that every school I visited here.

Same thing. We need more resources. We need more counselors California Superintendent of Public instruction Tony Thurman oversees the system with more than 6.3 million students. I'm certain that you know the challenges our students and our families are experiencing. He's pushing an ambitious bill before the legislature. We set a goal to build a pipeline of an additional 10,000 mental health clinicians over the next several years and thousand in the California school system 10,000 in California so you quoted somewhere saying this is the way were we can leave an important mark what you mean by that job number one is got to be attending to her social emotional learning needs of our kids and so I think that's the legacy we have to leave in New York. The Beltran's went months without proper help until they found a nonprofit called children's Village Daphne Torres.

Douglas is its vice president of behavioral health services.

We are always hearing all the time all kids are so resilient doesn't take away the trauma have to address the fact that they're hurting, which is why the children's Village provides counseling free of charge. Lot of young people suffering from losing family members and we see young people not having the ability to call and we see the adults not knowing how to help them.

The social worker assigned to the Beltran's worked with them in their home.

What was it about the social worker that reached you so many being a says her energies so positive, so call me. I understand what you have gone through and I am here to help you felt like you could talk to her what your assessment of how the Beltran's are doing really well, but this may be a long process work for them and that's okay.

And as long as they have one another and they are connected to one another and supporting okay. Hopeful outlook that two years later Natasha Beltran is ready to embrace Latasha a lot of kids of lost parents or caregivers. What would you tell them it's not your fault.

You won't ever stop missing but that's okay is take out with preacher Garrett this week. Stephen Long live Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm monument list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia. Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's products to New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with major Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA. Michael Morel bridge Colby is cofounder and principal of the Marathon initiative project focused on developing strategies to prepare the United States for an era of sustained great power competition states put her mind to something, we can usually figure it out what people are saying and what we can know analytically and empirically as our strategic situation or situations not being matched up follow. Intelligence matters were ever you get your podcasts tomorrow before fluttering yourself. The Sandra Bullock won an Oscar for her role in the blindside.

Now she's out with the new film, but acting is not the only thing on her plate. Tracy Smith has our Sunday profile on one street go to for the Hungary Caf flower shop century old brick building owned and restored just producer Sandra both love the idea of finding purpose for something that was created for another purpose of this place, which was once a horse and carriage repair shop is now a destination for local food. To me this is just as failing as if you know her movies really saying something just waiting for us to show up what delete from our parent company Paramount. She's a kidnapped romance novelist Jamie felt along with her books cover model Channing Tatum fights her way back to civilization through some harrowing and comically cringe worthy situation is. It's refreshing that the person taking their clothes off is that guy is nobody wanted me to do it think I'm kidding not been chatting with someone willing to work out all the time.

It's the latest chapter in a career that's taken her from a speeding city back in 1994's harrowing trip in 2013 gravity start course for her brand of comedy. She says she learned at an early age, thanks to her mom, my mother had no sense of humor unless you hurt yourself and then she would realize the way to my mother's heart was through physical comedy. So you would do all the time.

It's fair to say world for her. She's made movies and countless delays you protected blindside when you look at him you think of me that also had her share of some real-world grief play along with meat on a scale of 1 to 10, how is life now's it's my life. So it's about a 9.2 very specific point because the other shoe will drop the other shoe seemed to drop hard in 2010. It started happily enough, with a surprise adoption of her first child. He was unexpected. He was not planned. I buy got a call one day your placement is here that's after years after having filed years out of the loop. It literally was out of the and South had a plastic bag a child and the winner is Sandra Bullock and a few weeks later, the adoption still a secret. She was handed an Oscar for the blindside earlier but even during her acceptance speech. She says her mind was on her baby. All I could think about was he's at home like I didn't care I don't care that was there. I just wanted to go home and also in the dress I was sewn in the dress and how to get myself out of the dress. But I want to do is get yourself out of address is the fix came off 10 days later the wheels came off her marriage to reality star Jesse James leaving her to raise her infant son alone and shut out the rest of the world as best she could and so much had happened to process grief and not hurt your child in the process.

It's a newborn.

They take on everything that you're feeling so my obligation was to him and not tainting the first year of his life with my great Bullock has since adopted a little girl as well. Jesus is not to use photos of her kids. She says that even in her privileged world she's had a real taste of the battles their mothers fight every day. You know my children are black. I have I have a level of defense that that millions of mothers have that are white you know have an understanding of how scary it is and just I just get really emotional because I think of hundreds of years of women who've never been able to relax in the motherhood they never been able to relax worried about their kids in a way that we as white women have not had to worry. You worry about other things but if you really, really, really take a minute and think about hundreds of years of mothers not being able to enjoy freely the birth of a child their son becoming a young man all of those things represent fear and loss careerwise. Bullock wanted to give the audience something to smile about Marty so she says that the lost city in theaters this week will be her last for at least for now. I can be creative. I can be part of the community. Right now work in front of the camera needs to take a pause for how long. I don't know until I don't feel like I feel now when I'm in front of the Which is I'm not doing anyone any favors was investing in a project if I'm saying I just want to be at home because I was always running, always running to the next thing I just want to be present and responsible for one thing, so you knew shooting this movie.

This is gonna be the last one for a while and I don't know what a while. I don't know that is why I would just love to clean out the basement giving literal I have a room were all my goes for all the years I want to go through it and see if I remember any of it are the golden eggs right there they're unassuming but my sister is a combination of mature doughnut snickerdoodle. Her family comes first at home and here where her sister Gigi designed some of the pastries person you have a problem, or maybe Sandra Bullock knows when something is sweet and is learned to cherish it when you see out in front of you. Now I see a crystal ball. That's what's a little scary about it. I don't know. Watched six months from now. I can't handle this anymore need to go back to work but I don't want to do that.

If that feeling comes I don't want to do that.

I don't want to rely on work to fill me but I just I just don't see a lot other than everyone under my roof set is very sexy but you know it's it's it's money you may know the old joke. How do you get to Carnegie Hall, practice, practice, practice. John Dickerson takes note of the music of pianist Jeremy dank. Very she is more French cheese.

You know sometimes you want to good old German.

Why is this man at the piano, talking about cheese because classical pianist Jeremy dank is trying to put his finger on classical music and he knows that means more than putting his fingers on the key Charlie Walt dank, an award-winning pianist is the author of every good boy does fine performers love song to the craft of the thing piano students usually hate practice will next week, young Jeremy's first lesson took place, not the piano but on the sofa of his boyhood home in New Jersey when our father's favorite pieces was the Sasson Symphony number three the organs my dad called me up to the couch listening.

Suddenly this Gordon comes in with the lower the C major chord every side. I looked over holy crap, so you say that your first musical lesson. What did you learn the sheer joy of surprise and music was part of what we shared on the couch. There, having felt a connection between music and emotion head and heart dank age 10, had to learn to settle his hands. We moved to New Mexico and I have a new teacher. The state University will together, they kept a notebook marking his progress through the drawings in your book. He seemed to have an aptitude for communicating with a 10-year-old, but I was weird 10-year-old also like partly 10 years old and probably 50 and he was very determined to build me a technical foundations.

I could actually realize some of the things that I was trying to do musically. He made me play my thumbs were regressive they were about to bring you some little crab under the plan, and it seemed like the most miserable possible enterprise whole point of 10 lessons to drain all the pleasure from.

Why didn't the pleasure of it for you at moments of them. You know I would listen to some peace. Yes, Mrs. music is for.

Do you feel any fellow feeling with the limbic athlete done all the kinds of practice that you write about and that you do and then the moment comes is that similar at all. It's so similar that I can barely walk and pick dank's love of music grew despite the hours of practice leading to a bout of evangelical fervor on the bus to school. I was not a fan of popular music is extremely elitist little brat and I thought no people need to learn that there's something better out there to listen to. So he stuffed a cassette player in his backpack got on the bus and pushed play. The conversation which slowly comes to a halt.

Looking around horrible. What is a terrible smell as skilled in the classroom is at the piano dank left for the prestigious Oberlin Conservatory of music at age 16.

There he found teachers who pushed him almost as much as he pushed himself. Is there something intrinsic to the teaching of classical piano that requires hard teaching. There is a long tradition of mean no abusive teaching you know even the teachers that were meanest to me. I'm still assuming they did it because I knew that in a way, but sometimes they didn't realize what a sea of anxiety and insecurity dank one. The highly competitive senior Concerto competition in Oberlin and was set to move to his next teacher in California, but after hearing George Shea book. He moved to Indiana instead to study under him and never really loved ball until that moment when we play that moving his hands so smoothly and beautiful but also with this little smile on his smile physical smile was also present in the notes to the music, have this beatific quality but also the sense of play and I don't think many of my teachers have told me to play with play so desperately needed. What was offered needed a sense of the wider purpose of playing in some sort. Also, this European perspective, what is the emotional meaning like the musical scores like a treasure map telling you here they have. Here's how you create this piece is how you bring it alive. Here's how you do it and it's not a misery but it's beautiful God mixture of technique and play has one dank claim, including a MacArthur genius grant now towards the world, playing with great orchestras and classical music superstars like Joshua Bell practicing now a joy in itself. How long can you go practice, what happens if it gets into about middle of the second day like an inch. Maybe it's an addiction, like I feel my fingers start to do things I can't sit still, it's that act of translating through the body and somehow need to feel complete. I'm happy to play excellently and very soon when I feel I've played well but I'm much happier if I feel that something about quality when practicing gets transferred to everyone in the room giving them something yes which is allowing audiences, but also along the music to speak about the time to feel generous. It's the kind of generosity that dank felt 46 years ago on that couch in New Jersey and after countless lessons and hours of practice. He can now give a similar lesson just by sitting down I maraca please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning

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