BREAKING ELECTION NEWS: Nancy Pelosi Suggests President Biden Step Down

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Welcome to Sekulow. Will Haynes is joining me right now. CC Heil later on and Rick Grenell will be on the broadcast. You make sure you stay tuned.

But phone lines are also open for your calls at 1-800-684-3110. We do have some interesting news coming out of a lot of people saw maybe the New York Times this morning or they saw the articles going around. There's actually from a video with Nancy Pelosi suggesting that maybe it's time for President Biden to step aside.

Of course, she does it in the weirdest way. As if you haven't been following the news. And if there's one person who has made a pretty big deal about saying that he's not going anywhere, it's President Joe Biden.

But here's what Nancy Pelosi had to say by two. As long as the President has the President, it's up to the President to decide if he is going to run. We're all encouraging him to to make that decision because time is running short. The I think overwhelming support of the of the caucus. It's not for me to say I'm not the head of the caucus anymore. But he's beloved.

He is respected. And people want him to make that decision. He has he has said he has made the decision. He has said firmly this week he is going to run. Do you want him to run? I want him to do whatever he decides to do. And that's that's the way it is. Whenever he decides to go with whatever he decides to do.

That's what they're going to go with. Then why not come out and say. We know what he said. He's made it very definitive. He sent a letter to Congress saying how it was soliloquy. It's that really went specifically into details about all the reason he is not going anywhere. However, when you have a Nancy Pelosi out there making these statements saying we just we're kind of running out of time, we're running out of time. We hope he makes the decision soon.

And Joe Biden is on the other side going, I've made the decision already. We know what that means. That means the pressure is now mounting and the pressure is mounting from Nancy Pelosi. And then from the Hollywood side of this, you may remember three weeks ago. There was an event, a big Hollywood fundraiser. George Clooney, Julia Roberts, Jimmy Kimmel was the host. Barack Obama was there. And what happened at the end of that event? At the end of it, Barack Obama, you know, calmly helped Joe Biden off the stage, grabbed his arm and his shoulder like you would a lot of people when you're trying to assist them.

If they're having trouble, we've seen it right now. And that was at the big Hollywood George Clooney fundraiser. You raised 30 million dollars for President Biden that night. Again, it feels like maybe it was a year ago. That was three weeks ago. That was three weeks ago.

And now you turn it on it. And George Clooney puts out an op-ed today saying, well, you know, he's a good man and we all support Joe Biden. It is time for him, for the good of the country, to step aside. That's a big fundraising moment. But that comes off, remember, barely off the heels, three weeks off the heels of them telling us that that video we saw from that event with George Clooney was a cheap fake. And what does George Clooney say in this? I don't know the quote in front of me.

I think you do, though. That's right. Specifically saying what we've been saying the whole time, which was don't tell us that our eyes are lying. That's right. So after that, it was a cheap fake after George Clooney's event. But after the debate and George Clooney's new op-ed, he says, was he tired? Yes.

A cold? Maybe. But our party leaders need to stop telling us that 51 million people didn't see what we just saw. The Democrats are now getting a taste of their own medicine, of being gaslighted, of being told what you see isn't real. And they don't like it. Surprise, surprise. Because no one likes being told what you're seeing isn't reality.

Just trust us. But that's exactly what party leaders are doing right now. And a lot of people are starting to have a little bit of issue with that. Does this pressure matter to Joe Biden? If you're Joe Biden, I don't know if it does. I want to know what you think when you hear even Nancy Pelosi and you hear George Clooney piling on saying it's time for Joe Biden to step aside or suggesting that he hasn't made the decision to firmly plant himself as the nominee with just weeks until their convention. And honestly, just a few months until the general election. Give us a call right now on one of your thoughts on this development this morning.

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We are going to take your calls at 1-800-684-3110. I wanted to read sort of a edited version of what George Clooney had to say. And you may go, why do you care about George Clooney? You care about George Clooney because three weeks ago, which, by the way, I'm not a huge fan. I'm a fan of his work and incredible actor, great director also. But, you know, he's been also his family has been one of the ones supporting financially a lot of what's happening in college campuses against Israel.

So I'm not a huge fan of that. This is a big statement in the George Clooney New York Times op-ed. Again, these are big money. He just raised 30 million dollars.

It was a record breaking fundraiser for the President. So you may say, you know, that there was a bad night. That's what everyone, you know, the spin of the actual Democrats who are still supporting Joe Biden, which is few and far between. They say it's a bad night. This is what George Clooney said. A man who was with him just a few weeks ago. But the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time.

None of us can. It's devastating to say this, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fundraiser was not the Joe big deal Biden of 2010. He wasn't even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.

So that is George Clooney saying, I was with the guy three weeks ago and what you saw that debate night. That is what is running the country right now. There's a couple of things happening.

We need to be very well aware of this. Two scenarios here. Both of them involved, by the way, a lot of people assuming Joe Biden is going to lose this election, which is pretty wild at a time when we are so split that they think their polling is showing this is going to be a disastrous landslide victory for President Trump. That's crazy that I'm even saying that and understand they're feeling it because there's two things that are happening. They're either actually encouraging him to get out of the race right now because they know he's going to lose. Or the other option is they know he's not getting out and they don't want to be blamed for it.

It's like the old, don't blame me, I voted for whoever bumper sticker. That's essentially what top leading Democrats, Nancy Pelosi. And then you have top fundraisers, George Clooney, Hollywood megastars are saying, while Joe Biden says, I'm not going anywhere. Well, they're saying fine.

Well, you're not going to be associated with us. And when you go off and end democracy, which is what they think, we're not going down with you. And I thought it was kind of, I watched a clip from the Daily Show and you had Jon Stewart say, this President actually can't tell us that this is the end of democracy if Donald Trump wins and him still be running. Right.

Because you're saying it's not that important. Of course, in that clip with George Stephanopoulos, they asked him that. They said, what was it?

What was it? How would you feel if Trump wins? He goes, well, if I know I did my my goodness job, that's quote, then I then I'll be OK with it. Well, then you can't say the democracy is ending.

And I feel that that is maybe a sentiment that is now kind of happening amongst the American people, which is remember, the rhetoric you're getting to is often just, you know, kind of lies, political stunt lies. I want to take some phone calls. Let's go ahead and do that. Let's go to Helen, who's calling on line one. She is in Colorado and watching on YouTube. If you're brand new on YouTube, by the way, I'm going to actually hit that subscribe button. A lot of new people watch each and every day. Over four hundred thousand of you have joined us. Four hundred eighteen thousand subscribers on YouTube. Hey, Mr. Beast just passed three hundred million today. Help us get to that million. I'd love to see that at least. Come on, get us a gold plaque. Helen, though, you're on the air.

Thank you. Have the current vice President cabinet and members of Congress been asked whether or not they have covertly signed or are planning to sign a 25 day declaration on Joe Biden and have hidden it from the people? What Helen's asking is about the 25th Amendment. And so basically, section four of the 25th Amendment says whenever the vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tem of the Senate and the Speaker of the House their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. The President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of acting President. Now, this was something that they love to talk about for trying to pull against Donald Trump because they thought he was unfit for office. Now, their term unfit just meant they didn't like his policies or his rhetoric. This is a actually a little bit more of what the 25th Amendment was meant for. It's if there is a medical emergency, they've used the 25th Amendment, like when George W. Bush needed a medical procedure or surgery, they temporarily put the vice President as acting President and then quickly take it back.

Oh, go ahead. I think this that idea of 25th Amendment I see it coming up on Fox News, by the way, they keep showing the graphic is a disaster. It's a disaster waiting to happen for them because here's what historically now will happen.

You've opened up a door you can no longer close. So now you have a situation just like impeachment where you've trivialized the presidency even now. And now the 25th Amendment, instead of being a worst case scenario, you know, whatever you want to say. President Biden clearly not like George Clooney said, not the guy he was four years ago, eight years ago, but he's not incapacitated in that sense. He's not in a vegetable state. He is campaigning, doing these things, and he did win the primaries by a landslide.

So you can't take that away from him now. Do I think that they've had these discussions? I guarantee you all discussions have been had, but they are not going to do that one lightly.

Well, the reason that it's getting a lot of airtime, one, because of the optics of one, the debate and the subsequent appearances by the President, but also Speaker Mike Johnson was asked about it. And he actually said, if I were in the Cabinet, I would have be having that discussion with my colleagues at the Cabinet level. I would see he's I would we'll see what action they take. It's a serious situation.

And this kind of goes along with some of the statements we've seen from former Secretary Mike Pompeo on our broadcast and other things where it's not just a election issue. The fact they've now pulled back his time and said he's done at 8 p.m. And and some of the other issues that go along with that, there are people that are very concerned that there is a national security risk when the public knows and sees how frail and diminished in his capacity to perform a lot of the duties that President Biden is. Now, I don't think they're going to go that route. I think it would be a real medical emergency that sidelined him.

He was in the hospital, which I mean, for anyone in a high stress job, that is a very real possibility. But I don't think that that is something that they're just going to do until something like that were to happen. Right. I think there is a way to get if they decide that the Democratic Party, the DNC, all of these people decide they don't want Joe Biden as their nominee. They're going to figure it out and they're going to figure it out in a way that doesn't evoke the 25th Amendment. And that is not going to be, to me, the plan. The plan would be to get him to resign.

And there are ways. This is Washington, D.C., the shadiest of the shady, the roughest of the rough, a place that I would probably never live unless I had to, because I've seen the underbelly of it. However, it's important that we're there and the ACLJ has our headquarters there because we have to be there because when they talk about the swamp, they talk about the deep state. It also runs on that side, which is you have those situations where if they really decide that this is going to be impossible, that Joe Biden has no chance. And by the way, I would start saying that they're getting there. When you have Nancy Pelosi coming out and you have George Clooney making an op-ed, you are saying there is no path to securing a victory here and we're going to have Joe or have Donald Trump as the President again.

If you really feel that way, I think there's a way to get him to peacefully resign. Well, and to go to your swampiness kind of comment. Yesterday, the headlines after the congressional meetings, both the Senate and the House had Democrat caucus meetings to kind of get a feel of where it was. And these are the headlines of the Hill. Tide beginning to turn in Biden's favor for now. Newsweek. Joe Biden starts to turn the tide on rebel Democrats. Axios.

Biden rebels in Congress see the revolt crumbling. Now, then this morning, Nancy Pelosi, who tweeted yesterday, I will have a statement when I have a statement ready. Well, that apparently was today. And she went out there and gaslit the sitting American President who has said, I have made my decision. And she's just like, when he makes up his mind, we'll be supportive. We will support that decision.

That's what I'm talking about. And it's very much it is the fallacy that you see on the left often, whether it be them calling themselves pro choice in the abortion debate, they only support one choice. And that is the same here that President Biden can only make one choice. He's already made a decision. He's already chosen.

It's the wrong one. So we're going to encourage him to make his choice. Change your mind. His decision.

It's a manipulation tactic. You want to be somebody else? Change your mind. As you have Sister Hazel, one second. Give me a call.

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Sure. So like you said, in North Carolina, there's a church looking to hold services and they run into zoning laws that literally, again, as you say, are no church zones. That they're literally banned from the commercial zones. So you have a C1 and C2 zone, commercial zones, like you said, that allow all types of uses but not churches. And then even in the zones where a church is allowed, they were only allowed if they were pre-approved by the zoning board. So really there is no just a full outright permit for a church to exist anywhere in this area according to their zoning laws.

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Let's play that again. Here's Nancy Pelosi. As long as the President has, it's up to the President to decide if he is going to run. We're all encouraging him to make that decision because time is running short. The, I think, overwhelming support of the caucus, it's not for me to say.

I'm not the head of the caucus anymore. But he's beloved, he is respected, and people want him to make that decision, not me. He has said, he has made the decision. He has said firmly this week he is going to run.

Do you want him to run? I want him to do whatever he decides to do, and that's the way it is. Whatever he decides, we go with. Whatever he decides, we go with. Well, he's decided. He's been definitive.

He's made statements. Let's take a call. I want to go to Jerry, who's calling in Pennsylvania. Jerry's got a different point of view.

You're on the air, listening on Sirius XM. Yes, good to talk to you. You know, I've heard in the past, they call the Democratic Party the evil party and the Republican Party the stupid party. And I like Johnson. I like a lot of the Republican senators and congressmen. But they're trying to get the 25th Amendment assigned to Obama, I mean to Biden.

And you know something, that's stupid. I don't believe Trump can beat anybody but Biden. So when you guys talk about removing Biden from the reelection chances, you know, his nomination, I think you're really hurting Trump. I don't care what Trump says or anybody else. I really don't believe that Trump is capable of beating anybody but Biden, even Harris. Jerry, I think, look, I don't necessarily disagree with you, by the way. I don't know about anybody.

I think that's kind of a bit much. But I do think they're seeing the writing on the wall. And Republicans are, I think there are some of them that need to probably be having that conversation, which is who you'd rather run against. Personally, if I am President Trump, oh yeah, I'd much rather be running against Joe Biden than practically anyone. I said on this broadcast, you put anyone under the age of 65 in that slot right now, you're going to have a fight.

You're going to have a real fight. Even if it's Harris. Look, I don't think that Harris really, I think she could have, it's going to always be a little close. It's going to be within a few percentage points.

Either way. Right now, it may be a landslide. I think they're saying internals that are saying this is going to be an electoral landslide for President Trump.

So you are right. They're pushing him out. Democrats are pushing him out. Republicans need to be aware that they are pushing out potentially the easiest path to victory. However, Republicans, and I can say this at least somewhat, seem to always sometimes, let's say more, put the country first and understand that if this guy doesn't have the ability to run the country, it is not safe. It is not safe for the country to only have two options. And for one of those options that is going to pull at least 45% of the vote, let's say on a bad day, only pulls 45% of the vote, that would be a landslide loss, is not fit to be serving.

We also can't have that as well. I think it's very curious. I think it's going to be an interesting time. We're going to have Rick Grenell joining us in the next segment. He's going to talk a little bit more about that as well as we have some updates, I believe in the war in Ukraine. As well as NATO. President Biden has this big high stakes NATO summit that is happening as we speak. It's once more a time where he needs to show up to try to leave the tension he has within his base. We'll get Rick Grenell's take on it. Yep. NATO, they're all lining up right now. It looks like the hall of Presidents.

It's kind of a creepy dystopian, but it is what it is. Give us a call. Also after Rick, we're going to take all the calls. So if you're on hold right now, we will do our best to get to you today on today's broadcast.

So do that as well as of course, I'm going to keep telling you because it's the month of July support the work of the ACLJ during the life and liberty drive skin that QR code we'll be back in just a moment with Rick Grenell Welcome back to Secular Rick Grenell is joining us via phone. I believe we have him. Make sure we had him before we pitch right now, Rick. It's going to be a busy week for Republicans, obviously heading into next week's Republican national convention and Milwaukee is going to be a crazy time, but I wanted to right now pivot and get your thoughts on President Biden currently meeting doing the big NATO meeting right now. What are the stakes for Biden in this when, you know, you've been in those rooms, you've been in those situations, obviously it's a contentious time. We have the morning where, where Nancy Pelosi somehow pretends that Joe Biden hasn't dug his heels in and says, well, we're just waiting for him to make his decision. You've George Clooney making statements, making statements, writing, you know, large articles and op ed saying it is time for him to be done three weeks ago.

I was with him and he was a mess. What are the stakes for Joe Biden at NATO today? Yeah, look, the NATO meeting is incredibly important because we're looking to hire the next NATO secretary general. This is a very important job and it's no secret that President Trump has wanted to change NATO, make it better. And that means having every country be capable of participating fully, paying their 2% of their GDP budget by investing in their own capabilities in case there's a war. And the, the, the problem that Joe Biden has is that he just doesn't look strong.

He doesn't act strong. And our allies know this. I was just in Washington, DC and met with several delegations, um, and, uh, NATO delegations and the conversations are scary because they see what's happening with Joe Biden as much as we see it, as much as George Clooney sees it as much as the New York times sees it. Make no mistake that our enemies and others and allies all see this.

And now is not the time to have Joe Biden trying to leave the North Atlantic treaty organization, uh, the most successful defense organization, uh, entity in the world ever. And the, the whole concept of NATO is peace through strength. And what that means is, is that we don't go to war. We don't have military combat because we're strong enough and capable enough to send a strong message that says, don't mess with us.

And people believe it. That's why they call it a credible threat of military action. We don't just call it a threat of military action.

It's gotta be credible. Joe Biden is not credible. Rick, one of the biggest issues from now until the election is what you've already mentioned, how we look on the world stage as many countries watch what's going on with our election season. They're always trying to forecast who they're going to have to deal with for the next four years. And our adversaries also see it as a time of opportunity. Do you think that the, the imagery and the debate performance and the way that President Biden looks at this NATO summit sets up for a very strategic opportunity for our adversaries and a very dangerous time for us national security wise in these next few months?

There's no question about it. I'm very concerned about it. We look weak and the message that we're sending to people who want to take advantage of us is not good right now. I'm very concerned about the message that the United States is sending. First of all, we've got an open border. We know we have ISIS members coming through. We know we have people on the terror watch list coming through. This is a very scary time for the United States. People who want to do us harm are going to take advantage of us. And we just got to get through this into the election.

I believe Donald Trump is going to win big. I believe people understand, countries understand that he is a very unpredictable, credible threat. And we need Donald Trump at the helm during this scary time. We got to fix our border. We've got to fix the economy.

But more importantly, we need to be able to show strength in a time where people want to do the United States harm. I think Democrats are feeling that way too. It's not like you're seeing it. It is a while. I've never seen anything like this, Rick, where you have a President or really any elected official, maybe other than very specific instances saying, oh, I'm not going anywhere. I was elected. I won the election last time and I won the primary by a landslide.

You are undoing democracy by getting rid of me. And still they're not taking that as an answer. And there is an odd situation where we all have, which I think there is a big chunk of this country, and I'm sure they're seeing it, saying Joe Biden can't be who we put in this situation.

He is not up for this right now. In the other instance, you have a situation where you're in the Trump campaign and you're like, well, Joe Biden is probably going to be the easiest person right now to beat if the election was held today. I believe none of this is happening if their internal polling isn't showing just a landslide victory for Donald Trump. And again, I'm not usually the person that would say that, but as of right now, there's no reason to have Nancy Pelosi, and then again, on the other side of the Hollywood side, a George Clooney today, weeks after, a week plus after the debate, three weeks since that event, we were told was a cheap fake.

And now you have George Clooney specifically saying, no, no, no, it's not a cheap fake. The guy you saw in the debate, they could say whatever they want. They could say that was a one night situation, but what that should do, as much as it has become a punchline and you have Jimmy Fallon dressing up like Biden, making it funny, it should honestly make us all nervous that this is one of two options right now coming up in this election. Well, first of all, you can't talk about this subject without naming the media. The media knew that Joe Biden was bad and they didn't care. We had the Democratic primary. We had a democratic process on the Democrat side. They went state by state and the people voted for Joe Biden.

You cannot undo that if you're trying to claim that you're for democracy. The media now are acting suddenly like they didn't know. They knew.

They knew. And I think the story is really about the credibility of journalism in America. They tried to put one over on America, on Americans.

They got caught because Joe Biden showed up live at a debate and collapsed basically. And so now we see the truth and they can't hide it anymore. But make no mistake, the media for years has been lying to us and Washington, D.C. thinks it can get away with it.

There's only one answer. This November, you have to throw all of them out. You have to reject the media. You have to reject what the Democrats have been telling us.

And we must put in the outsider, the guy they don't want to come to Washington because he keeps reforming the place, and that's Donald Trump. Rick, and that whole point about Washington being Washington and the way that they operate, the problem here is that they got caught because the way that the swamp wants to operate, the bureaucracy, all of the political appointees is that at the end of the day, they don't care who the President is because they have so much unfortunate power. Now we've seen like the Chevron ruling hopefully pull some of that back out of the Supreme Court this term. But at the end of the day, they were completely fine covering up for President Biden for the last three years when we have all been pointing to what we've seen and like, no, no, don't worry about it.

Everything's fine. Everything's operating because they are getting their agenda across. Now that the veil has been pulled back and the 51 million watch a debate and say, wait a second, this isn't what we have been told. Now they're freaking out because they can't continue to operate with their figurehead there and continue to use their bureaucratic power to do whatever they want. Yeah, there's no question this is about the power in Washington, D.C. The people who have power are the bureaucrats and the media, and they have been exposed.

They've been putting one over on the American people, doing their own thing, not listening to the American people, not listening to the taxpayer, but they've been caught. And so in order to fix this, we've got to send the most powerful message. And that means Donald Trump is got to go back. They don't want him coming back because he keeps challenging them. But that is the only way to fix this problem. Otherwise, they're going to put one over on the American people again.

They're going to find a new issue. They're going to, you know, they all work together on COVID to shut down our country. We need people who are pushing back on the narrative from Washington, D.C.

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So you can still get in line. 1-800-684-3110. Heather's calling from New Mexico, watching on the ACLJ app. Welcome Heather.

Thank you for all your hard work. A couple of weeks ago, or maybe last week, the feel that I heard from you guys was it's great because Joe Biden's going to stay. That means a victory for Trump.

We're going to be good. And so now that even the Democrats are talking about no longer having Joe Biden, it can make me a little bit nervous. And then I just heard that previous caller talk about the fact that he felt like Trump couldn't beat anyone else. And so I wanted to hear your thoughts on who they might choose and should we be concerned or are we still in a fairly good position? If you're a Trump supporter, I'm not going to assume everyone who is listening is, but if you're a Trump supporter, I think for the good of the country, you may not want Joe Biden to be the nominee, but if you think you got a landslide victory, you do because he is going to be the easiest one to take out. I truly believe you bring a breath of fresh air into this race, someone that isn't Donald Trump or Joe Biden, you have a fight. And I mean, someone who's intelligent could speak well and is under the age of 65. Those are my three requirements.

Anybody else? You're going to have a close-up call. If it is somebody like a Michelle Obama, which has been what I know, one of the callers coming in and we're taking that call coming up here in a second. If it's someone like that, which is not, which is easier said than done. It's not like they can just flip the switch, which is why Nancy Pelosi is saying, you got to make this decision soon, Joe, even though he's made the decision, you may have a very different election on your hands.

If you have someone who has as popular as that. What's really unique to me right now, Heather, as someone who has followed politics my entire life has worked in this my entire career is that what you're seeing right now, what is so fascinating to watch is that we're a few months away from the election and Joe Biden isn't campaigning to the American people anymore. He's having to campaign to elected Democrats and democratic donors to remain as the nominee. You know, it's fascinating to watch from that angle is that I think he's dug his heels in.

It's probably still a coin toss whether or not he makes it, but I think he is determined to do everything he can to stay in and by doing that, he's having to spend time, effort and resources on one being President of the United States and two, campaigning to the people that should be supporting him no matter what. Yeah, they feel like they've been betrayed. Right.

Instead of winning voters. So I love to watch it play out. I want this chaos to continue because it's a fun, fascinating thing to watch. Not necessarily great for the country, but it is fascinating to see play out. Let's take a listen and watch to this and I want to clear it up. This is George Stephanopoulos they thought was going to be the easy one for him to do that sort of softball interview that was going to make everyone feel better and did it.

Of course not. It made me feel a little bit better maybe if you were a Biden supporter, but it didn't feel that way. But he was caught on the streets by a TMZ reporter and you got to give it to TMZ. They kind of secretly, quietly, just casually stopped him.

George Stephanopoulos yesterday, we're just like, Hey, you'll see it. I'll have to read you what he said. Here's what he said.

If you're watching, you'll be able to understand it clear and if not, I'll give it to you at the end. Hey, excuse me. Hey, how are you doing? Good. What do you think? Do you think Biden should step down?

You talk to him more than anybody else have lately and you can be honest. You don't think you can serve four more years. All right. That's an answer.

He just goes back to his walk, thought he was stopped by just a casual passer by who asked him. I don't think he can serve four more years. This is essentially what George Clooney said in that statement as well, which is we've been with him. This is not a one night only problem. So that is coming from George Stephanopoulos ABC news that had to make a statement saying that is not our views. He said he shouldn't have responded to somebody, but they stopped him on the street.

You know, kind of casual, honest. Yeah. And remember, George Stephanopoulos is a Clinton operative turned a journalist of now working for ABC news. He has been doing the journalism side, but I'm saying you can't forget where his loyalty began, where his career started. He was a Clinton operative and that was the chosen high profile moment for Biden was let's go with George. It's safe. It will be high profile in ABC news. This can help redeem it.

And what do you do? You spend some time with him and he ends up telling someone, a random person on the street who happened to be a TMZ journalist saying, I don't think he can make it another four years. All right. Let's continue on with the call. Let's go to Richard. Who's calling in South Carolina. I'm watching on a listen on Sirius XM. Richard, you're on the air. Well, thank you.

Thank you. My question is, I don't think the people that have the whole way, the Democrats are running this campaign where he's really not out campaigning. I think what they're going to do is go to the convention and parachute in Michelle Obama on the scene either as to replace him as Presidential candidate, or maybe as the VP candidate. I wanted to know if legally can they bring in a Michelle Obama, which would draw a huge, huge boat. Yeah. Richard, you're talking about one where I could least predict that there could be a landslide victory as much as you guys don't want to hear it.

Michelle Obama or someone of that popularity. It's going to be tough. Now. I don't know if she's going to do it now.

You're saying, is it legal? I think that the problem is with the democratic party, I don't know if it matters. Right. With the Democrat party, they're nominating process. They do have super delegates, which do help pad their choice and selection because the Democrat party, and that was something that was criticized actually with Hillary Clinton back the way that the super delegates were so heavily involved, they did make some changes. It wouldn't be straightforward.

It would be a big fight on the floor. But there are always ways that a party can try to change things up if they really, really, really want to. All right, let's keep going. Todd and Georgia, you're on the air on the radio. Yes. Thanks. Um, my question, uh, you know, the 25th amendment, the Democrats use that as a smear against President Trump. And I think it's poetic justice that is slapping them back to the face right now.

I am only breaking into you because your connection is rough and I can't hear you, but you said you think the 25th amendment is poetic justice. I feel the same way. It is pretty hilarious that this is now a talking point.

All of it. Yeah. Even the way he's saying, ah, he'll make the right decision and the, oh, wait a second. That's the real person.

The person that you saw at the debate is who I know. Yeah. And speaking of that Linda in Virginia, you got about 30 seconds that we're going to have to go. Uh, thanks for staying on hold though.

I'm sorry. We have to cut you short, but Linda, go ahead. Okay.

Can you hear me? I can't go ahead and run out of time. Okay.

Uh, yeah. Michelle Obama would be the ideal choice. And I think because the donors want to win and that's why they give the money. I think they'll find a mechanism. I think you're probably right.

Quick thing for Linda. One of the biggest hurdles they have is if it is not Biden and Harris or Harris at the top of the changes, there's a way that they really, they wouldn't get all of the fundraising that they've already had. I mean, there's over 250 million cash on hand. I believe that the Biden campaign has, and then you're talking about a really short runway, August to November to get funds to actually compete.

Now I don't know if you need it though. Honestly, look at the way President Trump did it, where he self funded a lot of it. You have the Obamas, they can do that as well. They have a whole mechanism of people who can do that as well. That is such a high profile person on that ticket.

As long as the ballot name can change, I think you've got a totally different situation. That's going to do it for broadcast today. It's for the work of the ACLJ life and Liberty drives happening right now. My brother will be live next week on this broadcast. Maybe from somewhere, maybe from somewhere, some stuff that's happening next week. So stay tuned for that.

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