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BREAKING: Big Trump Win Ahead of Judge Decision in Fani Willis Case Out of Georgia

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March 13, 2024 1:14 pm

BREAKING: Big Trump Win Ahead of Judge Decision in Fani Willis Case Out of Georgia

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March 13, 2024 1:14 pm

BREAKING: Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee, the judge overseeing the disqualification hearing of District Attorney Fani Willis and Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade, dismissed six charges against former President Donald Trump in the Georgia election interference case (although several charges remain). A decision is expected this week in the DA Willis matter. The Sekulow team discusses the ongoing saga in Georgia, apparent opposition to certifying a Trump 2024 reelection, the House passing a bill banning TikTok, the ACLJ case in Nevada – and much more.

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This is Jay Sekulow. We've got major news. A judge in Fulton County's case against President Trump issues a major order. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. We want to hear from you.

Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now, your host, Jay Sekulow. Everybody, Judge McAfee in Fulton County has just issued an order in the State of Georgia versus Donald Trump and others case. This was an order, what's called in Georgia, a demure, which is basically motions for particularity, motions to clarify. And they were regarding the charges that were raised of soliciting government officials, and he said it was not pledged sufficiently. Any, of course, practices in those courts.

What exactly do we have here? It's a temporary win. Yes, it's a temporary win, but it's nothing major. It's going to be easily remedied by the state. They can either ask for a certificate of immediate review to the Court of Appeals.

Unlikely they would do that. The judge said he would grant that and let them appeal it right away if they wanted to. But the easy way to do it is what the judge suggested. Go back to a grand jury in Fulton County and clean up what you failed to do. And that is to plead the evidence with a little bit more particularity in each of your counts, saying that this is the nature of the commission, saying what the underlying felony is, that they supposedly were importuning the members of the General Assembly or the Secretary of State or the members of the House to do.

Clean it up a little bit. Give me a bill of particulars, which in federal court would happen, and clean it up. So it does show, though, that Fawnee Willis got it wrong when she went to the grand jury. She didn't get it pledged, and she didn't plead the indictment with specific allegations meriting a crime. That's right.

So I think that part's important. Sloppy. It was sloppy work. It was work that should not have occurred. A DA's office in Fulton County should never have failed to plead with particularity a motion, a count of an indictment, especially in a case of this nature. Someone did not do their legal research.

Someone put it together fast and loose and didn't do it right. The judge caught it and said, you're going to do it right or not do it at all. So they're likely not going to appeal here because that would take forever, and they can impanel a grand jury, probably impanel now. There's always grand jury sitting, and they can go back to the grand jury. We'll see what happens there, and we'll discuss it. Of course, everybody's waiting for the big decision, which is, will Fawnee Willis and the Fulton County DA be thrown off the case? Jordan, we're here. Now, you're in France at our office at the ECLJ in Strasburg. We're hearing that that order is going to come either tomorrow or Friday. Well, that's what I was going to ask.

I mean, it's kind of bizarre. I remember sitting there with both of you last week before we were here in France, which I've now been here a week, and we still don't have that order from the Fulton County judge. And then we get this breaking news about these counts that can be repled. So should people read into anything there? Should they read into the fact that he's already telling the DA's office that they can, you know, replete these counts, go before grand jury again as if they aren't going to be removed? You know, actually, it's very interesting that you said that because we were discussing it before.

Normally, it would not mean anything regarding other than to go back to a grand jury. But what's interesting here, and we'll talk about this coming in this next segment, is what you just raised, which is, did she get it pled right and what does that mean for her being thrown out? We'll be back with more. As we've been mentioning all month, the fight for life and liberty is raging. I've never seen anything like it, frankly, but we are equipped to take on these challenges because of your dedicated support to the ACLJ. That's why we launched our Life and Liberty Drive.

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That's We'll be back in a moment. Hey everybody, welcome back to the broadcast.

If you're just joining us, let me restate for a second. First of all, Jordan's joining us from our offices in Strasbourg, France at the European Center for Law and Justice. But we got the ruling that came out from the trial judge, Superior Court judge in Fulton County, dismissing six counts in the state of Georgia versus Donald Trump.

Now these counts involve the solicitation of officials to violate their oath of office. But Jordan raised a very interesting point. I think Jordan, restate that for people because it is interesting that is there a tell here about what's going to happen on this Fawnee Willis being removed from the case? Yeah, we left for this trip to go back to visit the ECLJ.

We were in Paris first for meetings last Wednesday. And that was before, that was after the hearings had been done and the judge said he was going to take his time to issue the ruling on whether or not Fawnee Willis and her whole DA team would be dismissed from the case. And a new DA team appointed. And then you get these breaking news alerts, even while we're over here in France and we're following everything like the hearing yesterday, about the judge dismissing some counts but also writing a path forward for the DA to re-break the counts. Going even, saying a quick way could be to go before a grand jury. And of course there could be appeals, that would take longer.

But then it's whether or not to read into anything there because, as Andy said, in a normal case because you wouldn't have the challenge of the DA being dismissed out there, why is the judge ruling on this if he's actually, if he actually really is considering dismissing Fawnee Willis and the entire DA team? It's a very interesting question. Look, we're going to get an answer to that probably in the next two days. But it is an interesting issue, but Andy points out to a footnote in the opinion to see how the judge is viewing this situation. And I think that's also indicative here of, it probably does go back to, maybe that they're not going to throw off the case. I don't know.

I don't know. He says in a footnote 8, and this is really important I think to look at this, this does not mean the entire indictment is dismissed. The state may also seek a re-indictment supplementing these six counts, something easily remedied. So he says, I am dismissing these counts because they didn't plead the underlying felony with particularity. But no problem.

You can re-indict it and supplement those counts, easy remedy. So, you know, the judge giveth and the judge taketh away. The interesting thing here, by the way, if you're watching on YouTube and Rumble right now, we've got a lot of people watching on our social media feeds. Make sure you're subscribed and share this discussion with your friends as well. We've got a lot of information coming up in the broadcast about a lot of activity going on. Jordan, why don't we switch gears for a moment here and talk about what you've got going on at our European Center for Law and Justice. And by the way, that team did a magnificent job for the Israeli hostage families just a month ago when they were in Europe and did a great job in consultation with our colleagues in Israel, Kalev Myers and others that we are working with on this. And they did a great job.

What are you seeing there? So we're meeting with a lot of those members of the Council of Europe and the European Parliament who did attend those meetings. And I know the ECLJ well from working with Greg Orr and Kristof and the team that's been here for many years working in Strasbourg and Brussels and in Geneva.

And people who watch this broadcast have seen them on the broadcast before presenting in Geneva, presenting at the Human Rights Council. Today we are with another one of those members of the European Parliament who works closely with the ECLJ team, Francois Bellamy, who was part of what would be translated to the Republican Party in France, which is more of a center-right party, more traditional party. It was the party of Sarkozy. So if people remember Nicolas Sarkozy, his party, and he's trying to kind of give a rebirth to that movement.

So you've got multiple, this is now the second person where we've met a different, now third actually, a different right party inside France. This is just inside France and they are all part of a larger bloc with inside the Council of Europe, which that is growing by the day. And I think this is important for Americans to realize that the movement, the MAGA movement in America has led to this movement, not just in Hungary, where, you know, there gets so much attention on Orman because he became prime minister, but this movement is happening in Poland, it's happening here in France, it's happening all over Europe and we are just, we're hearing from more and more leaders and they want to learn more about how we have campaigned, how we kind of...

They were really paying attention to the impeachment and a lot of those activities. Very closely to the impeachment, very closely to how President Trump is running this second time and the weakness of Joe Biden has hurt Europe. I mean, the Ukraine war is killing Europe. It's killing the European economy. They were very dependent on the gas and oil from Russia and then all of a sudden, you know, the US says no more, you can't have it. And, you know, you can imagine what that can do to already very high gas prices in economies that had not yet fully recovered from COVID.

Yeah, you know, it's interesting you said that because there is a... It's clear that the move in Europe, Andy, is moving, as Jordan said, is moving to a more conservative governance. We're seeing that in country after country and maybe the best example coming up will be the French elections just in June. But in that, they're also looking to the American experience. We now have the two presumptive nominees have cleared the hurdle of delegates, both Joe Biden and Donald Trump. So it's a repeat of 2020.

That's correct, Jay. You know, the Europeans are very... have a long political legacy, a long political history, much longer than ours. And they're used to seeing movements to and fro in the pendulum swing, but they've always been impressed with strong leaders.

And I think that we are now seeing a movement toward the conservative cause. We see it in France, we see it in England, and we see it in Hungary, for example. And I think a lot of these things that we have been experiencing in the United States, we don't realize because the Europeans have had such a long historical legacy and background and passed on these things. And being at the heart of where the European Center for Law and Justice is and our location in Strasbourg, France, the European Council, the Council of Europe is there. The European Court of Human Rights is there. We're able to talk to these people who are actually at the center of activities in Europe. And I think I was there in November for a board meeting, and Jordan is there right now doing these very same follow-up things. And it makes the European Center for Law and Justice and its American counterpart, the ACLJ, a very central part of the operations on the continent of Europe. And Jordan, you said there's even more interest now in what we call in the United States more of the think-take approach to some of this, not just litigation, more policy issues.

That's right. To have that background of these nonprofit organizations that kind of support these two parties with policy. We talk about white papers around Washington, D.C., and we're used to it in Washington. ACLJ and Capitol Hill, as I told the member of parliament today, we kind of started out as grassroots, and now members of Congress call us to help write legislation, not just review it. Same goes for governors before they sign it, or if they're trying to propose something, Presidents calling us to represent them in court all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court and in impeachment inquiries. So the same thing's happening now with our European Center for Law and Justice.

They've been here for more than two decades, so they're becoming more sophisticated work. And we've got an Italian prime minister and a Hungarian prime minister who are already in the right. You have the right leading the elections right now in France. If the elections were held today, the right would win. I mean, that is a big change, and it has happened, and you will hear from these leaders directly.

They are not afraid to say right to us that they hope, including today with Francois Bellamy, that member of the European parliament, that they are watching closely and hope President Trump is able to return and beat back against the same deep state that they have to deal with with their bureaucracies in Europe. You said also immigration is a big issue. Yeah, immigration is a huge issue now.

It's a little bit different. Obviously, we're dealing with immigration from the southern border that hits us both economically and with drugs. Here, you're dealing with immigration from North Africa, and the Muslim world brings in terrorism, totally changes the demographics of a nation.

It also has brought in radicalism, and with that also, crime comes. So some similarities there, national defense against Russia and how you kind of unite. France is the number two arms exporter in the world. So they're not, again, a country that is not like the U.S., that is part of those conflicts and making sure countries have a strong defense. But they've all realized now that there is someone in charge in Russia who was willing to cross a serious red line as that war continues. And again, questioning how it comes to an end, and how much are they going to spend? Where is the NATO spending going to go?

Does the EU need to start its own military? I mean, all of these questions are before Europe right now, and they're going to be decided by, is it a radical left? Which, by the way, like most Democrats now in the United States that have this disdain for Israel, or at least will not speak out against the disdain for Israel, the same thing's happening here. Whereas they used to support Israel, at least on paper, the left in Europe now marches with the Palestinian protesters.

Yeah, it's something else. Jordan Sekulow at our office at the European Center for Law and Justice. Folks, that's another example of the work that goes on here at the ACLJ and our colleagues around the globe, literally. Our offices in Jerusalem, Strasbourg, France, offices throughout the United States, of course. And we're able to do that because of your support of the American Center for Law and Justice.

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Go to Welcome back to the broadcast, everyone. We have got a lot of issues that we want to discuss. There's a very interesting poll that came out, and this is a majority of Democrats would back efforts by lawmakers to stop President Trump from entering the White House by blocking his congressional certification of victory. Now, everybody else called that, this is what's so interesting, everybody else called that interference with Congress, but I guess when Democrats do it, it's not. In a poll that suggests a Democratic-style January 6th protest, the latest Rasmussen report survey found that 57% of Democrats would support, quote, refusing to certify the election results if Trump wins, Andy.

Yeah. When Trump does it, it's insurrection. When the Democrats do it, it's promoting democracy and it's okay to do it.

That's exactly what this is. So you look at that case, then you look at the immunity case where we're filing a brief on where they're trying to say there's no Presidential immunity for official acts and you could be subject to criminal charges, then turn around and we talk to you about the Fulton County case, the six charges dismissed. We'll see what the judge decides on keeping Fawnee Willis in the case and that we should know that tomorrow or Friday.

I want to give you an update, though, on a case that we filed at the American Center for Law and Justice. We represent a group of students who have been told they could not pray at a school sporting event and, in fact, the coach said, don't let me see you do that again. Now, the school district came back and said, well, we'll allow a – and the coach called it a moment of – what, a half a second moment of reflection. Totally violating the students' free speech rights, Andy.

Absolutely. And it's as if we're living in a different century. But I was looking at some of the cases that we cited, Jay. We go back to Tinker v. Des Moines School District, 1969 case, Widmar v. Vincent, 1981.

This is not new law that we are alleging was violated. This is old established Supreme Court precedent that prayer does not stop. You don't lose your religious rights at the schoolhouse gate. And here we have, in the year 2024, a coach threatening a child for doing the terrible thing of student-initiated prayer. You know, it's interesting. In the Santa Fe case that we argued, Justice Stevens, in the opinion, wrote that students have the right to pray before, after, and during the school day.

You can't have the school doing it, but students can do it. And that's what was happening here. But don't let me catch you – I said that.

Don't let me catch you doing that again, or you can do what? The track and field coaching. Not going to let them race? Right.

I mean, not going to let them participate in the sports. So they sort of tentatively agreed to a, what I call, ceasefire, where they said, you know, we're going to – we talked to the coach, and then the coach sent out an email saying, do whatever you want, or do it wherever you want. But I'm talking about a moment of reflection.

And he already defined moments of reflection by a half a second. So we're in federal court on that. We're in federal court in Nevada for the student that was required to read the pornographic monologue, I guess is the best way to say that.

I mean, it's absolutely horrific. And then you go back to, as I said, you go from representing students in these cases to Jordan was just on – coming out of the European Center for Law and Justice, to then these huge constitutional cases. We won the 14th Amendment challenge to try to keep Trump off the ballot, which would have been – forget whether it's Donald Trump or not. The idea that you could just – a state could remove a Presidential candidate was absurd, and all nine justices agreed, by the way.

But it's interesting. We filed a separate appeal for Colorado in that case. That is in conference on Friday. Now, I expect what the court's going to do is grant the opinion, grant the certiorari petition, vacate the lower court opinion, remand it back to the trial court and say, you better comply with what we said in the other Supreme Court case. So for us, if that happens, it'll be a double win. But it just shows you the lengths they're going to, and then you've got the whole Jack Smith – all those Jack Smith cases, Andy, including the January 6th case, and they've got some real hurdles in that one.

Yeah, they seriously do. I mean, right now, the immunity case is going to be a Presidential immunity, absolute, limited, whatever. I think it's going to be limited, but I think they're going to say there's limited Presidential immunity, the limitation being asked to be for official acts.

For official acts. And then probably we'll remand it to Judge Chutkin in the district court in Washington, D.C., to determine – Is there any way at that point – if that happens, Andy, which is what you and I predict – is there any way at that point – you've done a lot of criminal trials in federal court – that they could get that into trial before the election? No. Because you've got a bunch of motions you have to file.

Yes. It's not going to go to trial before the election. And if Trump wins after the election, it's going to be dismissed by the Justice Department, and we won't have a case. But I don't think there's any way Judge Chutkin is going to try that case before the election. And she shouldn't. Under the U.S. Attorney manual, these cases should not be tried that close to an election. Of course, there's the U.S. Attorney manual that applies to Democrats, and there's the U.S. Attorney manual that applies to Trump and the Republicans.

Who knows how it's going to be interpreted by Merrick Garland? I have an idea. I have to say this. We have thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of you watching right now on YouTube. We've got thousands and thousands of you watching on Rumble. If you are new to our channel, please subscribe.

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And now your host, Jay Secular. The most dangerous eight months between Super Tuesday and the general election for the next President of the United States because that's when the shenanigans happen. You got the fiasco in Fulton County. You had the attempt at a scheme to remove a Presidential candidate from a ballot by a state.

Then it became 14 states. We fortunately won that at the Supreme Court of the United States, nine to zero. You've got the FBI investigating Catholics because they're concerned, they're subversive.

And I want to go right to Rick Grenell on that one because, Rick, you were the director of national intelligence, a member of the cabinet for the former President. This idea that the FBI would be targeting Catholics because they're conservatives and they wanted to increase their activity, if they didn't get caught, they were increasing their activity in these eight months. This is when they said this is the time leading up to the general election. That's in their documents.

The Richmond office assessed that there's an increase over the next 12 to 24 months in the run up to the next general election. This is their documents we got. So they were already doing this targeting thing. I think we stopped them because we brought it to light. But how dangerous of a threat is that to our republic?

Well, first of all, let's thank ACLJ's entire team for being at the forefront on this. But let's be clear about one thing, too, is that the FBI agents that were investigating parents, religious parents, didn't do this on their own. They were instructed to do it. And what's so infuriating now is that we have the Democrats in the media saying that Republicans are manipulating elections. Republicans are the ones who are attacking democracy and politicizing intelligence.

But we know the opposite is true. Every time they accuse us, it's because they're trying to cover up for what they're doing. They had a strategy that was to help the woke mob and to beat back parents who wanted to tell schools that they had a voice, that wanted to tell teachers that they can't just overrule parents.

And they don't like that because they don't want anyone to get away of their woke ideology. Thank God that we fought them. But this is just the tip of the iceberg, Jay. There are plenty of more strategies that the FBI is going to do, and we've got to stop them and clean house.

I'm going to talk in the next segment about a case we have in Nevada that was outrageous, talking about parents' rights. But Andy, you worked with the FBI for a long time. I did.

As a U.S. attorney. I did. And I had a lot of respect for the FBI and for the line agents. I still have respect. It's the internal supervisory agents and the politicization of the FBI. And I'm very disgusted at Chris Wray, who's from Atlanta, who should have known better, who has allowed the FBI to become a political arm of the Democratic Biden administration instead of stepping in and saying we're not a political entity. You talk about fidelity, bravery, and integrity as what you stand for, and yet you have no integrity. You're dogging Catholic churches to see if they do something that's improper in their theology.

I mean, the Catholic church, a 2,000-year-old institution, one of the foundations of the Christian East and West, is now we're going to look at it and make sure that they're not too conservative? Well, what about school board meetings? I represented a school board in the southern part of Atlanta, and as Ambassador Grenell said, we're going to tell parents that you don't have a voice in what your students and your children are learning. And if you do say something, you're a domestic terrorist because you stand up for what is right? What has become of the FBI? What has become of our government if it's going to be politicized this way?

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Hey, welcome back to the broadcast, everyone. Rick was mentioning earlier, and I want to go back to you on this, Rick, parents being kind of locked out of the school board. Let me give you a horror story, and I wish I could say this was a law school exam and not a real case, but it's a real case. So we've got a 14-year-old, 15-year-old student in a drama class. She's in a school that, you know, one of these like magnet schools that if you've got gifts and talents in these areas, they kind of accentuate that and they teach them.

That's great. She gets into the program. They have to do a monologue, which is not uncommon. I did that in my drama class and speech class in law school, in undergraduate school.

So they do that in the high school. You randomly draw a monologue. Okay? Now, teachers approve this monologue.

The monologue was so vile. The language, first of all, I said the language here would be fine by the FCC. Okay? This is coming out of a 14, 15-year-old. The mother, do we have this? Rick, I want you to see it. I want our audience to see this. The mother goes to a school board meeting and starts reading the monologue her student was required to read in class, and watch what happens here.

This will be horrifying for me to read to you, but that will give you perspective on how she must have felt when her teacher required her to memorize this and to act it out in front of her entire class. I don't love you. It's not you.

It's just I don't like your d*** or any d*** in that case. I cheated, Jo. I'm sorry. Forgive me. Excuse me.

I don't, thank you so much for your, thank you for your comment. Forgive me. We're not using profanity. Simply, this is a public meeting. I asked for decorum. If you don't want me to read it to you, what was that like for my 15-year-old daughter to have to memorize pornographic material?

Okay, Rick, I wish I could tell you that wasn't real, and it is. Now, so real that we went to federal court and sued on behalf of the mother and the student, and the student's case is going forward now. We beat back a motion to dismiss, which was a big win. There was also, and I don't want to get into the details on this part, there was the teacher did things the teacher should not have done as far as physically touching the student after this happened, which was also inappropriate, and that is part of the lawsuit. And then, of course, there's the First Amendment claim.

An Obama appointee judge said there was no pedological concern that would have justified that action in that classroom, and yet when the mother went to the school board meeting, they shut her down because it was, quote, had profanity in it. I mean, what's so outrageous, I'm sitting here thinking, how many more times is this happening across our country? I mean, we have been teaching our kids to hate America and all this woke BS. We've got to get much more aggressive.

Part of the problem, Jay, is ourselves. We have allowed this to happen in our communities, and people need to realize they have a voice, they better get involved, and they better participate with organizations that are on the front line like ACLJ. This is so outrageous to me that we're teaching 15-year-olds and 14-year-olds to do this and to memorize pornographic information and act it out in front of their peers. Who is this teacher, and why do they still have a job?

Is it because of the unions and tenure? Well, then that's a problem. Yeah, well, the reality is, this was a very traumatic event for this family, as you can imagine, but the fact is, and we're in federal court on it, we're going to beat them, we're going to get justice here, but the fact that this even happened is outrageous. Yeah, and it's extremely outrageous when you see the mother trying to bring this to the attention of the school board, the horror that happened to her daughter, and yet she gets shut down at the school board saying, oh, you can't say that here because it's pornographic, you can't use that profanity, yet her 15-year-old daughter was required, required to memorize it and to recite it, and that is where it gets to be ridiculous. Obviously, that child should not have been able to, or be required to say that, and that teacher should have pulled that monologue in the first place. The thing I go back to is, how did that monologue get in the school curriculum in the first place, Rick? A teacher who read it thought, well, this is something that students should learn because it's going to push them in a certain direction, and that is the whole problem.

Exactly what they said, yep. That is the whole problem because teachers shouldn't be pushing kids in certain directions. They don't have this moral authority to somehow expand the horizons of these kids. This is the job of the parents, and teachers who are this aggressive, who have a strategy, an activist strategy, should actually lose their job. They've got to go back and teach the basics. Kids are failing, they're not able to compete in today's economy in terms of just computer skills, yet we're teaching them to memorize pornographic speeches because the teacher likes it.

This is really a depraved activity. It's so interesting to me that the Obama judge, Harry, President Obama's nominee, who is judging the case, recognized the lack of legitimate pedagogical concern here. There was no child benefit, educational benefit in that approach. So essentially, in Nevada, the school was weaponizing itself and its classroom against both parents and school children, and this is part, I think, of the left's deep state agenda to disassociate parents from their children, and to see parents, if you will, as an impediment to the child's education. So the school sets itself up in loco parentis, basically as a superior to the parents. And I think this is an agenda, a deep state agenda, that the ACLJ is fighting strongly against.

But the key to the fight here is you've got to go, Andy, to federal court, and you've got to beat back the school boards and the school board lawyers and all the insurance companies that are part of it. Yes, and that's exactly what we did, and that's exactly what we persist in doing, Jay, because we are going to stand up for the family, for traditional values, and as we say in Greek, sindiritiki, conservative and not ashamed about being conservative, sindiritiki, traditionalist and not being ashamed to be traditionalist in the tradition of the Greco-Roman-Judeo-Christian tradition that we inherit and not to be ashamed of it. But you know, the fascinating aspect, Rick, and I want to go back to you with this, we're now in the heat of the, I feel like the general election's already started, it really has, for all practical purposes. And when you look at the kind of the lay of the land right now, and it is a tale of two cities, the world views are so different, there's no commonality anymore, there's no middle ground to meet on, unfortunately. And the left is trying to silence anybody, even their own people when they speak out, if they agree with us. Look, that's one of the things that I think conservatives have to start pushing back on is just the idea that we have dissenting views, that we have a conversation where two people have different opinions, and one is not right and one is not wrong, it's a different opinion, and we can't cancel each other for it. We can't have this system where we say, you're providing misinformation, and so there's a moral obligation to crush you and to silence you, and that's what's happening right now. The media have taken the side of Democrats that people who have a differing opinion, somehow pushing misinformation, dangerous information, and they must be stopped and crushed. That is a problem.

That is the problem on the left and the problem with the media. We have to get back to being able to have differing opinions, agree to disagree, and to fight it out in elections, when you have two different visions, whatever politician or school board member, or whatever it is, whoever wins, elections have consequences. Absolutely. All right, Rick, we appreciate it.

Thanks for being with us, and thanks for being part of the team. Folks, you're seeing the scope and nature of the work of the American Center for Law and Justice. You know we're in our life and liberty drive right now, and we talked about the Supreme Court win. We got another one we're dealing with on the immunity issue for Presidents, and that affects every President. It's a very dangerous President, what the D.C. Circuit put in place, and the idea that immunity expired the day you leave office and you could be sued for, you could be criminally prosecuted for official acts as President.

Maybe in Venezuela, which it shouldn't even be there, but not in the United States. Then you look, and then take it right down, so you go from the Supreme Court of the United States to the local school board, and here's the truth. The American Center for Law and Justice is front and center, and then travel overseas, Cece's heading over to Geneva this next week, on issues involving people that we have incarcerated because of their faith, fights that are taking, wars that are taking place in the Middle East where the laws of war of course aren't followed, and Israel's being basically just beaten back in the international tribunals. And when that happens, you gotta be there, folks.

I mean, part of what you gotta do is be there. And I call it the Ministry of Presence, and that's what we're doing. We've got our Life and Liberty drive going on right now. Your support of the ACLJ this month means your donation will be doubled. You go to slash Life and Liberty.

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So, we encourage you to do that at slash Life and Liberty. Back with the last segment coming up. Hey, welcome back. You know, we touched just barely on what's going on internationally, but I want to go over to Cece Heil, Senior Counsel for the ACLJ, who is on her way to Geneva and the UN. So, I want to kind of give us a sense of what's going on, what are we going to be talking about, what are we going to be doing, what are the cases we're involved in? Yeah, so the Human Rights Council meets three times a year in Geneva, and so this will be their 55th session, and we will be over there, we have a team that will be going over there, and we will be making oral interventions on behalf of really persecuted Christians worldwide. Describe for everybody what an oral intervention is at the UN, because people have seen them sometimes but may not know. Sure, so it's a council, the Human Rights Council actually has an event where all the member states are present, representatives of all the member states are present there. The President oversees the meeting, and NGOs have an opportunity to actually present an oral statement regarding the human rights records of certain countries, depending on what the conversation is at that time.

They have general topics, and then we actually have to file to make an oral intervention, and we do that, and we do that again, mostly on behalf of persecuted Christians in certain countries, but we also do them on behalf of Israel, because as we know, at the United Nations, Israel is the most condemned member state out of the 193 member states before the United Nations, and we are consistently a voice that supports them and their right to self-defense. You know, Andy, you came back recently, and Jordan's there right now, in our office in Strasbourg, they did a magnificent job dealing with the hostage situation at the European Union, the European Parliament, but that work is another very important aspect of what we do. We have a center in Strasbourg, France, the European Center for Law and Justice, which handles our European affairs throughout Europe, and we are very active in promoting pro-life, anti-abortion things, human trafficking sometimes, and especially persecuted Christians. That is the thing that we are really very sensitive about, and to making sure that Christians who are in Europe and throughout the Middle East are not being persecuted, they are marginalized groups, and they are being hurt and harmed, and we are speaking up for them before the European Parliament, before the European Court of Human Rights, and before the European community as a whole. And this is something that we engage in actively, we have a director there, we have a staff of lawyers and researchers who work on these matters, and it's very important to us to keep our European presence, as you say, the Ministry of Presence.

It's very important to be there. One reason CC is going to Geneva is not only to make the oral intervention, but to be there to show that the European Center for Law and Justice and its American counterpart, the American Center for Law and Justice, are active present beings in the international scene. Harry, you've been involved in international teaching, we've had programs at Oxford University, you've done programs for law schools in Europe, the global reach of the ACLJ is something that we don't spend a lot of time talking about, but it's a very important part of what we do. Absolutely, and so we should never forget our presence in Jerusalem, in addition to Strasbourg, and Strasbourg is a very helpful location, for instance, in dealing with Southeast Asia, with Pakistan, where many Christians suffer from persecution. And so the ACLJ has been up front and basically doing really important work on behalf of Christians worldwide, and this work will continue, it needs to continue. If you look at the number of Christians who've been murdered over the last several years, the numbers have gone up from Nigeria to Southeast Asia and elsewhere. In addition, Christians face active threats in Europe, and so it's very important to think about what the ACLJ is doing in Europe, particularly in the pro-life arena.

And so listeners need to be made aware of that and to support our efforts in that arena. We also, as Harry mentioned, we have an office in Jerusalem, you've seen Jeff Balaban from our office in Jerusalem many times on this broadcast, we also CCM an office in Pakistan. And that office is extremely important because, as Harry said, the Christian minority there in Pakistan is very much targeted, and without our assistance, so many of the poor Christians, they're targeted, they're thrown in jail on false blasphemy charges. You have Christian children that are targeted, and never have justice, never receive justice, so we actually have law office there in Pakistan, and we have been very successful. We have seen that when we show up, again, ministry of presence, when we actually have attorneys that show up and push for justice in these cases, we have been very successful in getting our clients again that have had false blasphemy charges released, and then getting justice for clients that had no hope of getting justice. You don't like having to brag about this, I don't mean bragging in that way, but our success record of getting hostages that are religiously being persecuted and held by regimes that are hostile, whether it's India, whether it's Iran, whether it's Turkey, the list goes on and on and on. China, others, we have an unbelievable success record, and I give God the credit for that, and also the capabilities that he's given our staff to stand with these cases that sometimes take literally CC years to resolve.

Yeah, they absolutely do. The hostage cases, you're in it for the long haul, sometimes almost seven years, but that's another place at the UN that we can do at least some work. The UN has a working group on arbitrary detention, and we have gotten really great opinions from that working group, which actually helps put pressure on the countries that they have detained someone wrongfully, and that does help us when we are advocating, again, for justice and to get hostages released, but it is a long-term commitment. Andy, we've been doing the ECLJ for over 25 years.

Yes, it started in 1997, yes, and it's been continuously operative in Strasbourg, France, and it's beautiful offices on KCOC, which I'm pleased to be a member of the board of the European Center for Law and Justice and to be part of that organization, and we do a lot of work, as I said, on behalf of persecuted Christians throughout Europe and about the pro-life and around the globe as well, Jay. Yeah, and the work there is extensive, and listen, our team did a magnificent job. Both our D.C. team, when the hostage families came to the United States, did an amazing job with the families and members of Congress, Republicans and Democrats, and I will say our European team also did a great job.

Same thing, fantastic job. We've got a great team. That team is in place because of your support for the work of the American Center for Law and Justice.

In other words, without you, none of this happens, whether it's Mike Pompeo, Rick Grenell, Tulsi Gabbard, the team you have right here, the people you don't see behind the screen right now that are making sure this broadcast is on the air, our social media teams, our lawyers, our public policy people, none of it happens without your support. So I want to encourage you to go to Right now, we're in our Life and Liberty Drive. This is the second week. I want to encourage you to donate. Your donation will be doubled, which means you donate $20.

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