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Ministry of Truth 2.0: DHS Resurrects Obama Era Spies

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Ministry of Truth 2.0: DHS Resurrects Obama Era Spies

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September 21, 2023 1:18 pm

President Joe Biden's Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas recently appointed the "spies who lied" about the Hunter Biden laptop scandal to a new U.S. intelligence panel. Former CIA Director John Brennan, former CIA Senior Operations Officer Paul Kolbe, and former National Intelligence Director James Clapper will headline the "Homeland Intelligence Experts Group." But are these men qualified to serve after they were part of the 51 intelligence officials who signed the October 2020 letter that refuted the New York Post's exposé on Hunter Biden? On today's show, the Sekulow team discusses the potential danger to national security created by DHS Secretary Mayorkas, Vice President Kamala Harris' claims about "climate anxiety," the latest news in the "disqualification" plot against former President Donald Trump, and much more.

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This is Logan Sekulow.

As the DHS resurrects Obama era spies, it begs the question, is this the Ministry of Truth 2.0? Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.

Welcome to Sekulow. We're going to be taking your calls throughout this show at 1-800-684-3110. We've got a packed show talking with Rick Grenell, Mike Pompeo, and Will Haynes joining me in the studio right now, executive producer of Sekulow.

We're filling in today. We're going to have a great time talking about, Will, a new move that's come out of the Department of Homeland Security. We're going to break this down with a former DNI himself, Rick Grenell, coming up in the next segment. Because it seems like, it's pretty clear, some Obama era friends, some old names you haven't heard in a little while, are coming back up. And they're coming back up to start what they are calling, what was it, an intelligence group? Yeah, it's the Homeland Intelligence Experts Group, which doesn't sound nefarious at all. No, and of course, this is going to be led by some of our old friends.

As I'm pulling it up here, I think I got my papers here a little bit. You got them, who they are. The former National Intelligence Director, James Clapper, and former CIA Director, John Brennan. These two individuals, we've had a long history of talking about because it's like a blast from the past when you hear about this. But they were instrumental in propagating such hoaxes on the American people like Russiagate.

The classics. They were signatories to the letter that said, don't look at that Hunter Biden laptop. Nothing to see there. Absolutely Russian disinformation. So they love to interfere in elections here domestically, probably abroad as well, because they were former CIA and former DNI under Obama. And we know his history with that as well. But all of a sudden, in 2023, as the primary season is in full swing, as we look just a few months away from the first primaries and caucuses, they're deciding now's the time to have this Homeland Intelligence Experts Group. So we're going to ask Rick, is the timing of this suspect as well? And is anyone really asking Homeland Security to do something like create new boards?

Because the Disinformation Governance Board was such a success at stifling the free speech of Americans. Do people really need this instead? Maybe you should look to the border, which is back at all time highs and things of that nature. Yeah, we've seen that. We've seen some of the really extreme stuff that's come out of the fentanyl crisis, some really horrifying stuff with children that came out last few days. We can talk more about that a little bit later, because it does feel like our priorities are out of whack here. Instead of spying on Americans, maybe we should be handling the actual crises that are killing people, killing children, disrupting families. But no, we're focused on what seems to be almost silly behavior that is maybe just to disrupt, as Will said, an election year. Instead of focusing on issues that we can all actually get behind. We'll talk about that.

I'd love to hear from you. What issues would you actually prefer? Not even our Presidential hopefuls, but what about the President? What about the administration currently right now? What are you seeing right now that you go, man, I don't support this President. I may not like President Biden, but I wish we obviously always hope for a good country here.

We always hope for a President to succeed if we don't like them. I wish he would focus on this. This is something that we could all get behind. I'd love to hear from you what that is. For me, it is. It's the fentanyl crisis, for sure.

That's like the number one on my list. That should be what we're talking about right now. Or we're talking about what's going on at the border. Those are the issues that really are affecting Americans daily and are killing Americans en masse. But it's not.

It's not what we're focused on. Give us a call. 1-800-684-3110.

That's 1-800-684-3110. As Will said, later on in the show, we'll be joined by Mike Pompeo. But coming up in the next segment, we have Rick Grenell. We're going to dive deep on this new plan from Secretary of Homeland Security Mayorkas about this new Homeland Intelligence Experts Group, which again, just reeks of the past, if you will. We'll be getting to that coming up and break that down with someone who probably doesn't... You probably couldn't find a better expert to discuss this than with Rick. So stay tuned. That's coming up next.

I want you also directly... I'm just going to ask you right now because we're in the middle of our month right now. If you look at it, we are towards the end now of September.

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Just a direct ask. This is a really crucial time with all the cases that are coming up. We need your support. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Secula. We are joined by Senior Advisor for National Security and Foreign Policy, Rick Grenell.

I did want to address... I think they can hear us. If you're watching right now on Rumble, we're having some issues with our video feed right now, but we are working on it currently. I know there's a couple thousand of you watching right now on Rumble, so stay tuned. We're doing our best to fix it. If not, we are broadcasting live on other platforms.

I hate to ask you to leave. Rumble is our preferred platform as they are dedicated to free speech, but sometimes they're technical issues that you can't help but fix or can't help but happen, and you have to try to fix them. So we'll do our best to do that. Again, we're joined by Rick Grenell.

Rick, our topic today, we are really talking about this morning. When you thought Secretary of Americas couldn't make any worse decisions, we get the news that the recently announced Homeland Intelligence Experts Group, which doesn't sound scary at all, will include obviously former CIA Director John Brennan, former National Intelligence Director James Clapper, a lot of the classics here. How concerned are you about this new move coming from the DHS? Look, I don't think that these individuals should be added to any boards.

I think their clearances should be taken away. Let's remember they interfered in the 2020 election. They manipulated the election by pretending like there was a false, fake Russian laptop that was duping people into looking at information that somehow said that the Bidens were getting money and that Hunter Biden was a drug addict.

It turned out they were wrong. The laptop was real, but we should never excuse the fact that they and 49 others, 51 total intelligence officials, three weeks before the 2020 election tried to dupe the American people by saying, don't look at this. Don't look at this laptop because it's not true.

Don't consider it for your vote. The Bidens are not in cahoots in any way. All of this information on the laptop is Russian disinformation. That's exactly what they're saying.

And I'll finish with this, Logan. When they said that, when they said that lie, when they used their position of intelligence gatherers of we know more than you and we've looked behind the curtain, so you should trust us. This is a fake laptop. This is classic Russian disinformation. When they said that, the one country that did applaud was China, because that's exactly the Beijing line.

Look over there at Russia while the Chinese are literally creating a crisis of epic proportions for the American people. Rick, both Brennan and Clapper interfered in the last two Presidential elections the United States had. The 2016 election with the Russia hoax and then the 2020 election when they signed that letter. Does the timing of this appointment in this panel seem suspect to you at all that Mayorkas and the Department of Homeland Security all of a sudden needs this Homeland Intelligence experts group with these members right in the middle of the primary?

Yeah. I mean, look, this was an admittance from Mayorkas that he's hanging on by a thread. The politics of this means that he was very nervous about getting indicted. And so what he has to do is surround himself with a whole bunch of partisan Democrats so that when Republicans come after him, he can say, look, they're just coming at me because of politics. So it's a classic move in Washington. Unfortunately, Will, what what really makes me angry is that the fourth estate, the media that we're supposed to trust, they're totally in the bag for these propagandists.

They want the ruling party to win. And so the media are not going to push back. And what that means is, is that other cabinet officials, other Democrats are going to up the ante next time they're in trouble, they're going to do the same thing.

It's going to get worse because there's no pushback from the media. Yeah. I want to read this. This is from Secretary Mayorkas. This is a statement he made. He said, the security of the American people depends on our capacity to collect, generate and disseminate actionable intelligence to our federal, state, local, territorial, tribal campus and private sector partners. And I have a question for you, Rick, is like, what does that tell you about the goal of this panel, especially when you start hearing words like campus and private sector partners? That's pretty, that's got a little bit alarming.

Yeah. Very alarming. I hate the private sector partners for the intelligence community. First of all, if you do have partnerships, you shouldn't talk about it.

That's the first. And second of all, we should all be suspect of partnerships with the Intel community because it's gotten out of hand. We used to traditionally be able to have partners that stuck to just the, the goals of providing actionable intelligence. But now we have this whole partisan, you know, brand from Fortune 500 companies. And then you add in their campuses, universities, very, very troubling.

Yeah. And I don't really love hearing those words, Will, thrown in there when you hear, I mean, obviously it's almost up for interpretation, but if we can interpret it the way we think it means, that's not good. Well, and we know the moves that they made just months ago with the disinformation governance board, where they were trying to get involved with the speech of Americans. And now you have former spy chiefs that Department of Homeland Security is putting on this intelligence experts group. It begs the question, do you think this will be used as an excuse to further spy on Americans? We know that they do spy on Americans that we have FOIA requests out about that, trying to get to the bottom of that. But Rick, do you think that this is cover for more bad action by this department? Yeah, it's totally cover for them. And they're using the reputation of former spy officials, former intelligence officials.

And that's what's sad to me. I mean, look, you know, this is all a swampy Washington, D.C. strategy. I as a former acting director of national intelligence came to the Tennessee based ACLJ. One of the reasons I love the ACLJ is that not only do we do good work, but we're not located in the swamp. We don't have people who live, breathe, have their kids go to school and go to church with all of the bureaucrats who depend on a big Washington, D.C. with a big budget. One of the things that I keep saying is we've got to stop asking those people who live in Washington, D.C. to ever advocate for making their city smaller with a smaller budget. They're never going to do it.

They want it to win. It would be like me saying, shouldn't we make Nashville less popular and less powerful? You guys there in Nashville will be like, hey, no, we love Nashville. Right.

I think that that's a good analogy. As we've seen, obviously we have a presence. We're always going to have a presence in Washington. We're going to have a presence all over the country. So make sure that's clear is obviously we have our our offices in D.C., but you are right in the fact that mentally where your leadership is, where we're talking about things, the perspective we're coming from, especially when you we kind of go back to that campus word. One of the biggest things that's scary, I think, for the Democrats coming up in the more liberal left, the more hardcore liberal left, is that from what I've seen in my personal life and my friends who have kids that are high school age coming out of high school now is they are not the generation of what just came up. They are now the the the antithesis of that. When you have songs like your Richmond with the Richmond, you look at the people that are there. We watched a video last night and you see that those are mostly 17 year olds that are there, 17 to 20 college age kids.

You go, what's happening in this country? And it is a rebuke of what they had to grow up in. Right. And that obviously happens. The pendulum swings. It swung in the 60s, swung in the 70s to disco 80s, came back roaring with Reagan.

This happens back, back and forth. And they're scared. And how what they're going to be able to do is if they can actually have the right to go into these campuses and stop sort of the move in society before it gets going. I think to your point, the intelligence they would gather from campuses isn't, although we know that China is very active on U.S. college campuses, they seem to overlook that.

But I feel like they would be more concerned about conservatives, economic policy that is more conservative, things like that that are coming out of the campus instead of the threat of China. That's been there forever. Right, Rick?

I mean, look, we all know this. Everybody knows college age kids or parents of college age kids. And it is a crisis on our campus where a conservative voice, a conservative viewpoint, a conservative speaker is literally either thrown off the stage or not even allowed to be on the stage. And when I went to school, it was supposed to be a time where you listen to all sorts of different points of view and that the university experience was broad welcoming of a whole bunch of different ideas and you explored the different ideas. Nowadays, if you're not woke, you're literally not allowed to speak on campus. It's outrageous.

And the university should be held to account here. Rick, I'm going to ask you a question that I asked our listeners and I've gotten tons of calls, which is you have these kind of topics in really about a minute. What do you wish our administration, current administration even, would focus on? Are there those ones like the fentanyl crisis that actually are something we should be doing more active instead of these ridiculous proposals? Well, first of all, I think you've got to just close the border. That should be his focus is to close the border. And I don't think that it's mean spirited to say that we want a border. I think what's mean spirited is to look the other way while people jump in front of those waiting in line. I think it's really mean spirited to pretend like people are going to be able to come here and get a job when they're going to struggle because they're breaking the laws.

I want this administration to stop having sanctuary cities and sanctuary states, which is a nice name for, you're welcome to come here and break the law and we're going to look the other way. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Rick. We appreciate it.

Always support the work of the ACLJ. We do have a couple lines open still. We got a lot filled. We have a couple lines open. 1-800-684-3110. I want to take your calls coming up in the next segment and also discuss a new statement by Senator Harris, sorry, Vice President Harris about maybe why she thinks there's an economic crisis. Welcome back to Secula.

We are taking your calls at 1-800-684-3110. And we'll take some of these calls here in this segment, but I did want to open this segment with a clip from our Vice President, from Kamala Harris, about the anxiety that's coming upon young people. Maybe you know why they're not buying homes, why they're deciding not to have children. Is it the economy? Is it what's happening in society?

No, of course not. Take a listen. I've heard young leaders talk with me about a term they've coined called climate anxiety, which is fear of the future and the unknown, of whether it makes sense for you to even think about having children, whether it makes sense for you to think about aspiring to buy a home, because what will this climate be? Okay, we got to break this down a little bit. What will this climate be in the process of you owning a home? I mean, if we're going to be honest about it and you want to say, sure, you could be a climate change person.

You could believe in it. You could be fully supportive of everything, your electric cars, the whole deal. But in your lifetime, if you're deciding, let's say you're in your 20s, you're like, I would maybe like to have a place to live. Do you honestly think the climate is going to change that rapidly in the next 10 years to where this is where we're going to be, where you're deciding not to purchase a home or to have a place to live, to not have children? Just even the people who are the most aggressive climate activists are saying the actual crisis, which I'm not saying that if you're for it, we shouldn't be trying to stop, is well beyond our lifetime. Right. Well beyond our lifetime, well beyond likely our children's lifetime. We're talking about hundreds of years from now or not more. Again, I'm not someone who is a person who wants to just pollute the earth. I'm not that saying that, but I think when you have those kinds of statements, when you know it's actually happening, and I think we have sort of those greatest hits you can go through right now of what's happening in the economy right now, you don't think that's the real reason why people are deciding not to buy a home or to have children.

Maybe it's because they can't afford it and you can't afford it. Why? Where are interest rates right now?

Let's go through some of these. Well, this is political spin at its worst. And we know that that recent poll that came out that President Trump out polls President Biden by 10% about who would handle the economy better.

So they're kind of in crisis mode of trying to figure out how can we continue to perpetuate this myth that Bidenomics is helping people. Oh, the fact that people can't buy homes or the climate crisis. It doesn't have to do with the fact that median sales price for a home in the United States is $416,000. Real wages are essentially stagnant. So that means the wages that people are taking home and the effective buying power that it has have not grown. They've only increased 0.9% from August 2022 to August 2023. The consumer price index, that's the cost of the goods you buy are up 3.7% over the last 12 months. The federal interest rate, so that's the federal borrowing rate that the Fed sets is at 5.4%. That means that the interest rate you would pay for a mortgage is over 7%.

The consumer inflation is at 3.7%, well above the 2% target. Oil price is now over $90 a barrel and you're feeling that at the pump. The national debt just hit $33 trillion for the first time. And get this, the national credit card debt, so that's the amount of debt that consumers have on a credit card hit a trillion dollars. So when you think about a 20% interest rate that's around the average for a credit card and you're talking about a trillion dollars, people can't afford to pay their bills, much less save 20% for a down payment on a 70% interest mortgage they're going to have for 30 years.

When gas in the middle of the country is for $5 in that range, you go out to the coast, you go to California, you're talking about $6, $7 a gallon. That changes everything and it's not just as simple as, oh, they're just concerned about the climate. They are just, what was the word?

Climate anxiety. It's just simply not the case. It's simply not true. And I think that's the main concern with this.

It's just simply not true and it's putting the focus on the wrong place. That was the question I opened up this conversation with, which is what do you wish this Biden administration would focus on? And a lot of people have chimed in, I'm going to go ahead and take some calls. Let's go to Eileen who's calling in the state of Texas online to Eileen, you're on the air. Thank you for taking my call. I'm originally from Niagara Falls, New York and I know what the border issues are.

Okay. Um, but I watched the news yesterday. I was, I was ill and all I could think of was the people that own property down there. Do they have to barricade themselves in their homes to be safe?

You know? They have border people, the patrol, there's not enough of them. And my, you know, the one thing that's going to change on, I'll preach to you here, but it's this, this country, people need to get back to the Bible. They need to get on their face and need to start speaking some scriptures and get the right person also in office. And this morning I was having a hard time because God only got it at this point can move the President and his vice President out of office. Look, Eileen, pray for your President.

Absolutely. You know, there, there's no reason not to, we don't hope for failure here. I don't, I mean, I don't see a lot of success coming. So my hope is low, but ultimately that's not where my hope lies in a President.

So pray for your President, pray for your vice President. Hopefully they wake up and they see a story like what came out of the Bronx yesterday where two suspects ended up being charged with murder of a one-year-old after they find out that they were in a, in a daycare, there was essentially a front for fentanyl and somehow this child ingested enough fentanyl, which is not much to kill him. It was near where the kids napped.

Don't say, and by the way, they say ingested, that doesn't mean they ate it, swallowed it, or however, it's, it's just in the area. Hopefully they wake up, see that story and hearts are changed because how could they not be? How could you not see that on the news and go? Maybe our priorities are in the wrong place. It's killing one-year-olds. You're not talking about your friend or your loved one who is passing away, who maybe had a drug problem or maybe had a problem with substance, or maybe got, somehow got involved in some nefarious things.

You're talking about a kid at a daycare. That's what's happening right now in our society. So what I hope is you're right and you pray for them and they wake up, but sadly it just doesn't feel that way. There is hope though. You never know. And obviously we are not that far away from another election.

Not that a President changes everything, but good Lord, we know it can change at least something like this. We only have about a minute and a half left in this segment. If you are on hold, I want you to stay on hold because I'm going to get to your calls coming up either in the next segment or later in the broadcast. Stay tuned.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. We're going to take your calls 1-800-684-3110, talking about issues that are important to you that you wish the Biden administration would focus on, except for what they're doing right now, which is creating this new Homeland Intelligence Experts Group, and that's what we discussed in that segment. I also want to tell you about the work of the ACLJ coming up, but let's take a phone call right off the bat. Hopefully, this inspires you to call in as well. Let's go to Cassandra, who's calling from North Carolina, one of my favorite states. You're on the air.

Hey, Jordan. Thank you for taking my call and thank you for all that you do. I'll make this quick and concise. To be very honest, I was a fence-sitter and was not wanting to donate, even though I support you and I support you in prayer. I was sitting on the fence not donating because I did not agree with your stance on the way things were handled in 2020. And I discovered last week, listening to what all you are doing with this constitutional situation with Trump on the ballot, and God poked my heart and said, no more crying over ships that have sailed.

Now's the time to pull together. So I say to my fellow fence-sitters, do what I did last week, jump off the fence, support ACLJ. I donated during that matching situation that you had and I have signed up for monthly donation and I challenge my fellow fence-sitters, now's the time to pull together, get off the fence and donate to ACLJ. Cassandra, I really appreciate those words, especially as you said you supported us in prayer for many years, I'm going to say, there's nothing more important than that. So as much as I obviously, we really appreciate your financial support and that sounded like we pre-planned that or an ad read is not, that was Cassandra's heart calling in and we really appreciate that, but your prayers are very important too, the most important.

So thank you, number one, for that. I also want you to know that with the ACLJ, here's what I can tell you, and it's been this way my entire life being involved in this, even if you don't like what we're saying, know that we're coming at you with the truth, even if you don't like to hear it, that is not what all the other broadcasts will do. That's not what other shows do, that's not what other organizations do, they'll lie to you, they'll tell you stuff that isn't accurate, that's what we do here.

Why? We have a staff of attorneys that know the law better than anyone you could possibly imagine. You have media experts that have worked for every major company, have been involved in this, have seen the insides of what this looks like, the good and the bad, by the way, and really speak to it. The difference is, is we're not just going to tell you what you want to hear. We are always going to be honest with you. And Cassandra, I'm glad that you saw what we did just in the last few weeks with these 14th Amendment cases, because they're starting to really grow, it's become a threat.

You know what we saw there? An actual legal opportunity to stand up and do something about it. Not just take your money, not just take your money, lie to you, make you feel good about it, and move on. What we're doing is actually going to court on an issue that we believe in and we believe we can win, because we know how ridiculous it is. And look, even if you lose, you go down swinging for this one, because as my dad has said, it's one of the biggest affronts to the constitutional freedoms we have to vote for who we want to vote for. You may love President Trump, you may hate President Trump. These are the issues that it doesn't even matter to anyone on the other side that it could have repercussions on them, just like impeachment. Didn't matter that it trivialized impeachment, because now it's coming back around to bite them, but they don't care because they have one goal, and that one goal is to stop a potential second term for President Trump.

And again, you may love him and you may hate him, but what I do want you to always have is the right to be able to vote for who you want to vote for, just like what we're doing right now in this situation, even with Turning Point USA that we're working with. You may not like what Turning Point USA has to say. If your list is broadcast, you probably do, but you may not, but you know what I believe in? They have the right to say it, and that is what our attorneys are going with.

You may not like it, but you know what? That's not our problem. That's not how this country is run.

That's not how our country was founded, so we're taking that to court as well. I want to give you an opportunity to give us a call, 1-800-684-3110. Coming up in the next segment, we have Secretary Mike Pompeo going to talk about what's going on in the Middle East. We've seen some movement in the Saudi Arabia-Israel situation, also talked about his new film and a lot more coming up in the next segment, and then finally, at the end, the last segment. We'll talk with Mike, then after that, we're going to take as many calls as possible, so give me a call right now.

Again, what is that issue that's important to you that you wish this administration would stop focusing on spying on Americans and actually start focusing on solving that problem? Give us a call. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. We're joined by Secretary Mike Pompeo, as always, an incredible voice to have here on the ACLJ team and on the Sekulow broadcast, so we appreciate you joining us.

We're going to jump right into it. One, we're going to end this segment, talk a little bit about your movie because I know today is it. Look, I'm someone who tracks the box office because that's something I like to do. It's doing great. Incredible numbers, so congratulations on that.

Someone who follows Fathom Events, everything, I know that world. That's the world I live in, and I was tracking it, and then I'm very excited to see the numbers that show people really do care about what's going on still in the Middle East historically and what's happening now in the future, and that's what we're going to lead with right now because you were a part of those Abraham Accords, the Trump administration, but now we have the Biden administration with what feels like some big step backs. It feels like the Biden administration took over and started throwing wrenches in the Abraham Accords, starting to throw things off. How big of a step back are we in right now compared to where we were just a couple of years ago? So pretty significant, certainly at the beginning of the time of this administration, it was very, very significant.

They've started to get to a little better place over the last months, but make no mistake about it. The tone was so different. President Biden called the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia a pariah. He began to shut down fossil fuels, the use of fossil fuels all across the world.

He refused to help the Middle Eastern Arabs when they were confronted with trouble. He cozied up to the Iranians by sending a special envoy to go back to the old model of the JCPOA and try and give the Iranians room to build out their nuclear enrichment program and ultimately a weapon. Those are things that send red flashing lights to our friends in Israel, our friends in the Gulf Arab states. And as a result of that, they began to hedge, they began to make closer relationships with China.

Some of them recognized Iran. That is an enormous step backwards. Most importantly, a step backwards for America, an America that needs to take down conflict and increase prosperity in that region. So the risk that we ever have to go and fight there again is diminished. Yeah. And they're in the middle of these negotiations. What's really the biggest challenge do you think in those right now for Americans? Not for Americans, but for them?

Sorry. Sure, sure. The, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the United States, according to reports are now having a conversation about normalization. I pray that that happens, but it has to happen in a way that makes sense. This is, this was the hard work that we did in the Trump administration was making that make sense for everyone, not just for America, but for Israel and for their Arab partners.

I think it can happen here too. I think the leadership in the Gulf Arab states, these are monarchies, these are Muslim majority states. We understand Israel is here and it's going to exist, but we still have to find the path forward.

And that cannot be the case that that means money going to the terrorists that sit in Judea and Samaria, to the Palestinian leadership, Abu Mazen, these are people who have not found a way to make peace and to make lives better for their own people. It cannot be the case that this normalization takes place at the expense of security, not just security for Israel, but security for the entire region. Secretary Pompeo, one of the biggest concerns back under the Obama administration when they started the Iran nuclear deal was that if Iran had this pathway to a nuclear weapon, that it would spark an arms race in the region. And what it does seem is coming out of that history now is that some things that are being mentioned in the press that Saudi Arabia is looking for a nuclear program, whether for civilian or military purposes, that's up for interpretation, but that is seems to be one of the things on the table in these negotiations. One, do you think that that was the stage set by the Obama administration years ago? There is no doubt that as Iran has made progress with enrichment and with weaponization toward driving them towards having a nuclear weapons program, every Arab state said, goodness gracious, I'm not going to be the last the last one to have this capability.

And so they all began to think about how to do that. Look, it's also the case that when you see the United States give six billion dollars to the Iranians and not enforce sanctions against them, I think the Gulf Arab states can say that the largest state sponsor of terror who's trying to drive Israel from the face of the earth is not going to have the means to do so. And so they're all beginning to try and find ways to reduce risk for them. So part of this conversation, part of a conversation we had had with the Emirates was how do we help them build out civil nuclear programs that don't present the risk that we get a global nuclear arms race or Middle Eastern nuclear arms race. Those are good, important conversations.

But make no mistake, these countries understand that if Iran has a weapon, a nuclear weapon, that they cannot be in a place where they're at risk of being blackmailed by the existence of that weapon. We are going to take a little bit of a pivot on our discussion here and look back here at home at the southern border, which we're now seeing up to 10,000 border crossings a day again. This is back at numbers that were peaking before the expiration of Title 42. These are very concerning numbers. We're not seeing the media aggressively report this. And we're seeing large moves out of the Department of Homeland Security to create other boards, which could be looking at Americans instead of looking at the problems that they're supposed to be dealing with. This is a national security threat to our country. And we've seen the governor of Texas declare it an invasion and try to do as much as they can. But how much worse will this have to get before the Biden administration does anything to stop it? Yeah, sadly, I think it's going to have to get a lot worse because it has gotten a lot worse than they have not done anything yet. So I see little room for optimism that the Biden administration is going to take this seriously. And by the way, not only has the Texas governor declared this a national emergency, but look at the mayor of New York City and the governor of New York.

They now for the first time are using language that is so fundamentally at odds with what the Biden administration is doing. And yet the Democrat Party refuses to act. I saw to the data of number of terrorists coming across the border. So we were talking about the Middle East. Now we're talking about the risk of terrorism right here in our own country. This is absolutely a national security issue.

It is dangerous for every American. And the Biden administration has a fundamental responsibility to fix this. And the last thing I want to say is because I often hear, well, there's nothing you can do.

This is just too hard. We need to send a bunch of money to Central America to stop this. We know that's not true. We figured it out. We put together a set of policies that became known as remain in Mexico, which had largely slowed the tide of illegal immigration here inside the United States. We know that that works. Build the wall, put those policies back in place, and we will have secured our southern border in a way that will keep, you know, everyone's children and grandchildren safe for decades.

Thank you so much, Secretary Pompeo. Before you go, though, I didn't want to spend a minute here to talk about this is the last date you could watch your film in theaters theatrically. So I think people do need to understand the importance of you kind of need to understand the importance of the past to get where we are in the present, especially in terms of the Middle East.

So tell us just a little bit about that. The importance of your film, Route 60 out. Go see it tonight.

Yeah. We'll see it tonight. I hope you'll take your family. I hope you'll take your Bible study group. I hope synagogues will decide they want to go see this. Ambassador Freeman and I made this movie to tell the true history of Judea and Samaria. We walked the the Bible Belt road, what's now called Route 60, and got to see amazing places inside of Israel that people don't often get a chance to see. And we literally told stories from the Old and New Testament that I think everyone will learn from. It's beautifully filmed.

And I think people will not only take away some new history and some new facts, but a shared love of our Jewish or Judeo Christian heritage in a way that really matters to America. All right. Go see that tonight.

You can do that at if you want to know more information about that. Thank you, Secretary Pompeo. I did want to also talk to you all, if you're watching right now, I want to take as many calls as I can in this next segment. So if you have a question or comment, this is the time to do it. 1-800-684-3110.

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Let's take these calls. I want to know what's important to you. We're also going to kind of recap some of our other topics as well as talk, Will, a bit about some First Amendment rights issues that are happening on college campuses. Right. And this all ties together, right? From what we started the show with where there is the new Intelligence Board out of the Homeland Intelligence Experts Group out of Department of Homeland Security. Because if you get the ACLJ emails, there's one out today that is about the case we have with Turning Point USA, where we are representing Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA in able to push back against what the Department of Homeland Security did under this administration. They were using a federal program, over $40 million, this federal program, to try to silence conservative voices. They were using this as a way to educate people about growing domestic threats, and they were using Turning Point USA and other organizations as a basis for radicalization, is what they were saying. And so these are the same people, these are the same bad actors at Department of Homeland Security that's now creating this new board.

It doesn't give you hope that they're getting any better. That's why we have to fight back and we need everyone to join us. Without you, we can't fight for the issues that matter most to you. We're directly engaged in this major case against the Biden administration who are trying to silence all these conservative voices. Not just us, obviously, but you are hearing from people like Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk, who are representing. And if they can silence them, they're going to silence you.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. We're going to take your calls right off the top here. 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. Then we'll talk about another topic that's recently come up, but let's jump at it. Tim's been calling in California, and he's been on hold for about 30 minutes, so I really appreciate you, Tim, holding on, you're on the air.

Thank you for taking my call. Instead of doing this intelligence so-called board to shut down conservatism, shut down the border. The Biden administration, you folks don't realize this, right now there are thousands and thousands of people from Venezuela inundating New York.

We have to stop this. It's past time for the Biden administration to deal in the correct way. Yeah, Tim, I think that that is a common thread that we're seeing in some of our calls, which is the border seems to be the issue. It's not really about the border. It is obviously at all is encapsulated by the border, but it's what having this open border right now is meaning to our country, which is things like the fentanyl crisis, which are issues that are being felt throughout families worldwide.

It's the crime that's coming through. It's not about people who are looking for a better life. Understand people want to come to America as the greatest country in the world. Why wouldn't you want to come to the United States of America? It is trying to figure out a better way to make it happen.

That's right. Well, and to Tim's point, what he brought up is that officials have announced a new move within the Department of Homeland Security to redesignate Venezuela for temporary protected status, which would allow migrants to apply for deportation protections and work permits if they have arrived before a certain date. So it also goes to the fact of what Secretary Pompeo brought up, that Mayor Eric Adams in New York said this migrant crisis could end New York City. These very apocalyptic terms coming out of a Democrat mayor of New York City that are kind of shocking to hear, but they shouldn't be because we've been saying it for years. We've been saying it ever since day one of the Biden administration when they said we're going to roll back all of these protections of the border that the Trump administration put in because it was put in place by President Trump. If it were put in by anyone else, if Mayor Eric Adams had been a part of the cabinet and been able to put these protections in place, I don't think that they would have cared as much because it was coming from a Democrat.

But because it came from Republicans, from conservatives, from President Trump, it was the worst evil that you could ever imagine. And so they roll it back and you see the consequences. It isn't just a border problem. This is a national security. This affects every American. It affects children all the way through adults.

It is one of the greatest threats that we are facing right now. Yep, absolutely. Let's continue on with some calls. And look, there are some lines open now.

Plenty of lines open. If you want to call in, it's the time to do it. 1-800-684-3110. Some of these calls, you're on hold for 30 minutes.

Sometimes you can't make it all the way through. Right now, though, is a great time to call. Fresh calls, I'll take them for the next three minutes or so, 1-800-684-3110. Susan's calling in Maryland on Line 6. Susan, welcome. Hey, thank you for taking my call.

I have a quick comment about climate anxiety. Okay. Kamala needs to stop. She needs to shut up. I have Kamala anxiety.

Yeah. Look, I understand, Susan, I think a lot of people feel that way because you never know steps up to the mic what you're going to get from that situation. But I think there is that overwhelming feeling when you hear those kinds of statements coming out of your vice President, that it is that concern of going, do you fully understand what is happening in this country right now? The negatives that are coming out, we always try to give you a guidepost, a point for hope.

We have it here at the ACLJ. It's why we have an incredible legal and media operation that is unlike any other and why that will be expanding and growing in ways that you probably couldn't even imagine in the next few months. But and that's to give you hope. That's to give you the hope because there is hope for sure. But when you do have your vice President going up well and saying things like the reason people aren't having children right now, the reason that they won't even consider buying a home is because they're concerned about the climate change situation right now. They've climate anxiety and look, I'm sure there are those extreme cases of people that feel that way, but that is not the masses. The masses who can't get a home right now can't afford a home because we're seeing what's happening with inflation. We're seeing what's happening with gas prices, we're seeing what's happening with mortgage rates over and over and over. The Biden administration has gone up and up and up in terms of this situation.

And what happened? You had, even amongst Democrats, there are more Democrats have said, yes, they would actually rather have a President Trump if the economy was the only topic. Well, and vice President Harris tweeted just two days ago, nearly 13.5 million new jobs created unemployment is under 4% for 19 months in a row. Annual inflation has fallen by about two thirds since last summer. More working age Americans are in the workplace and wages are up. Bidenomics is working. Those are very cherry picked and not necessarily fully contextually accurate statements about the economy, especially when you hear her say things about the climate anxiety.

But here's my biggest problem with it is that she put wages are up. Even Joe is what they called Joe Biden because of how much he was a champion of the unions. We right now are looking at a historic strike from the United Auto Workers, where you can't get much more union than the United Auto Workers, right? They are striking against the big three. They have done walkouts at plants.

Why? Wages because they can't afford to live under the wage conditions that they are in with their negotiated contracts because of the Biden economy. There are these historic moments happening. You see the writers strike, you see the Screen Actors Guild strikes. Those are all about wages because the price to live has gone up so significantly in the last few years under this administration, because Bidenomics is failing Americans. It may be working to get your end goal for a climate future, a green energy future. That may be working for them, but it's not working for the American people. And that's where they get it wrong. And that's why their poll numbers are reflective of that.

And that's why they won't be able to accomplish anything but destruction of our economy if they continue down that path. Well, there you have it. Let's take one more call. Let's go to Wayne who's calling in California online too. Wayne, you're on the air.

Hey guys, great to hear from you, love your show. Hey, just want to make a comment here that we're talking about the border, the situation of the border is not the biggest problem that we're facing in our country right now. It is the biggest problem that this country has ever faced in its future.

Hey, Wayne, I'm only cutting you off because of time and because of some connection issues there. But I think what you said is right. He believes the border situation is the greatest issue that this country has ever faced, at least in our lifetime.

I'd say that's true. And you go back in history, there's a lot of issues our country has had to go through. When it comes to our lifetime, absolutely, because it's disrupting and it's killing people from every walk of life, from the littlest of little, from the one-year-old at the daycare, which you can probably all draw back to where it happens, how's Fentanyl getting here?

How is that all situation happening? To middle-class suburbs, you go through Atlanta right now, go through the city of Atlanta, every billboard, almost every billboard, everything you hear on the radio is about Fentanyl and trying to get people in recovery, trying to get people out of it, trying to have them protected. It's a really disturbing, it's a Fentanyl or crack, those are the things that you see the most.

When that's what's happening in our major cities, even in the South, you know that this is a real important issue and it all will ties back to that singular issue. At Publix Pharmacy yesterday, right in front in suburban Tennessee, Narcan for sale. Yeah, Narcan's now over the counter. That's one of the new things. And you know what?

There's a lot of people that are going to be buying it. Because you know what? There's a lot of situations you don't know what's happening with your kids, you don't know what's happening with your grandkids, you don't know what situation they're going to get themselves into, and you know what? You maybe need it. It's real sad.

That's the saddest thing I can even really imagine, but it is where we're at right now in society. Again, there's hope that this can all be turned around, and you can do that, obviously making better decisions at the ballot box, and obviously by supporting people in groups like the ACLJ. So I encourage you to do that.

Go to Thank you all for chiming in today. I appreciate all the calls. I love hearing from you guys. We'll be back tomorrow with more on Sekulow.

Again, Talk to you tomorrow.
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